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2004-08-20 Home Front: Politix
Swiftboat Vets New Ad...... Whoa!
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Posted by Sherry 2004-08-20 1:16:19 PM|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Whoa is right.

ARTHUR:
Look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Yes, I have.
ARTHUR:
Look!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Just a flesh wound.
Posted by Matt 2004-08-20 1:22:43 PM||   2004-08-20 1:22:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 'Bout damned time they brought this to the forefront. The Kerry-ass-kissing media won't publicize his LIES to Congress about our military.

NYT spin and seething in 5, 4, 3...

Anyone know how we can donate to these folks to help pay for air time? (If not, I think Paul Gallanti still lives in Richmond; maybe I'll call him.)
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-08-20 1:31:26 PM||   2004-08-20 1:31:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Link works fine, Sherry - so the Admins can cut that monster text URL...

This is where I have always been deeply and utterly offended that John Traitor Skeery draws breath, much less gets re-elected time after time to the fucking US Senate. This totally insane bullshit is exceptionally well documented and utterly undeniable. Any Vietnam Era Vet who votes for Skeery is simply a moron and fuckwit, unless he actually is a "war criminal." (In that case I suggest he shoot himself and that will provide relief. BTW, do it before you vote, asshole.)
Posted by .com 2004-08-20 1:32:28 PM||   2004-08-20 1:32:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 The DNC is spinning today that the Vets are retracting their 1st ad and using this one. Not quite true. The Ads follow the theme of O'Neills book. Part I Senator Horseface in Vietnam and Part II Hanoi John at work at home in the USA and Paris trashing the US military. No take back here from the Swifties at all....
Posted by Bill Nelson 2004-08-20 1:33:40 PM||   2004-08-20 1:33:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Barbara, www.swiftvets.com ...They accept MC Visa and AMEX. Put in $250 and get on the 527 list as a proud donor
Posted by Bill Nelson 2004-08-20 1:35:36 PM||   2004-08-20 1:35:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Much like McDonalds, I'm lovin' it!
Posted by Chris W.  2004-08-20 1:36:28 PM||   2004-08-20 1:36:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Barbara, go to Swift Vets and then click on the link to contribute.
I'm proud to have given them $25--Kerry's lies besmirching their service are a disgrace!
Posted by GreatestJeneration  2004-08-20 1:37:21 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-08-20 1:37:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 what does the ad say..I had to shut it down due to invalid data from the client.

Whoever keeps hitting me with all of the intrusion attempts...get a life..would ya? Loser.
Posted by B 2004-08-20 1:51:45 PM||   2004-08-20 1:51:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Freakin' WinBlows Media Player :

Unknown Error


Gee, think they want me to upgrade to their fascist DRM version?
Posted by Anonymous 2004-08-20 1:52:52 PM||   2004-08-20 1:52:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#10  I just wish I could've afforded the $2500 donation!
Posted by 98zulu 2004-08-20 1:53:26 PM||   2004-08-20 1:53:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 This will surprise you but this ad is a strategic mistake. Let me explain why.

The biggest thing the Swiftvets have going for them is that they served with (or alongside) Kerry. So they knew him and what he really did in the war. They are the only ones who can question his image as a war hero, and they've been quite successful at that. They are witnesses, they were there.

This ad is different. It attacks Kerry for what he did after returning from Vietnam, attacking him as a traitor. But by doing this, they raise questions about their motivation. It will be much easier now for Kerry's supporters to attack the Vets, going like "Look, now you see they just hate Kerry so much for political reasons, they can only be lying about Kerry's medals. Anything is good for them to smear him."

This ad shouldn't have come from the Swift Vets. They should have stuck with what they personally witnessed about Kerry's "heroism". That's where they are most powerful.

This ad should have come from a different group. A group of twelve Vietnam Vets who were tortured in North Vietnam because they refused to smear the United States would have been perfect. They could have made a very powerful point.

Also President Bush should come forward and say that he doesn't endorse these ads. A president MUST stay above this. Nobody will be fooled of course, but that's how things have to be done.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-20 2:34:45 PM||   2004-08-20 2:34:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 The commercial juxtaposes the words of John Kerry in his 1971 hearing with those of a couple of former POWs. (One of whom chaired the McCain for President Committee in Virginia a few years back.)

It is pretty powerful stuff. As John Kerry accuses his fellow veterans of warcrimes, going so far as to enumerate the crimes, one of the former POWs states that Kerry gave away for free the sort of thing that their captors made them sign off on as part of the torture.

With respect to spin, someone is already on the cable stations saying it is "interesting" that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have moved to the post-war activities of John Kerry. I think they'll be surprised when the SBVFT keep up the pressure on two fronts.
Posted by eLarson 2004-08-20 2:35:55 PM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com]  2004-08-20 2:35:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 I'm looking forward to the ads that outline the threats to the Vets' free speech by intimidation with lawyers, etc.

Start with the Dems demanding Bush release his records, clips of those white house sessions where the press made themselves look like starving hyenias fighting over the last crumb and cut to Kerry lawyers harrassing veterans and Kerry spokesmen explaining why Kerry won't release his records..when Bush did.

And then get some National Guard veterans and have them say how insulted they are that the Kerry campaign demeans their service as being no service at all.
Posted by B 2004-08-20 2:45:47 PM||   2004-08-20 2:45:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Larsonian check my comment in #4. It's just following the logical stream of the book.
Posted by Bill Nelson 2004-08-20 2:47:03 PM||   2004-08-20 2:47:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 #12 - on the "cable stations saying it is 'interesting' that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have moved to the post-war activities of John Kerry."

I think it's much more than interesting. I think it was planned, and I think it's brilliant. Look at how when the Kerry campaign threatened TV stations with lawsuits. Turned out the SBVT had already sent out letters to the stations in their own defense.

Now that the first ad has Kerry saying the SBVT are liars, the very next day out comes a new ad with an incredibly different message, and a new chapter of the book put online (a chapter that, "coincidentally," happens to be about Kerry's postwar lies about war crimes).

I believe that so far the SBVT campaign had been meticulously planned and perfectly executed. I can hardly wait to see what they come up with next. Karl Rove could learn many lessons from these guys.
Posted by growler 2004-08-20 3:11:44 PM||   2004-08-20 3:11:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 The photograph, displayed in a room dedicated to foreign activists who contributed to the Communist victory in the Vietnam War, shows Senator John Kerry being greeted by Comrade Do Muoi, General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam


(not my website)
Posted by Rawsnacks 2004-08-20 3:18:08 PM|| [http://www.tinyvital.com/Misc/KerryHonoredByCommunists2.htm]  2004-08-20 3:18:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 TGA-

You may have a good point about this type of ad being effective:...A group of twelve Vietnam Vets who were tortured in North Vietnam because they refused to smear the United States would have been perfect.

But I would respectfully disagree with you here: This ad... attacks Kerry for what he did after returning from Vietnam, attacking him as a traitor. But by doing this, they raise questions about their motivation.

It may well raise questions about their motivation, but it shines a very bright spotlight on Kerry's Achilles Heel. It exposes how he underwent a change of conscience at some point in the Vietnam War-a change of conscience that may well have rendered him incapable of ever again using military force when necessary. A change of conscience that made him brave enough to confront the government about what he thought was wrong, but cowardly enough to do it as a media event while his brothers were still neck-deep in the war. It's important to know these things about a potential president.
Posted by jules 187 2004-08-20 3:18:19 PM||   2004-08-20 3:18:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 TGA:
Also President Bush should come forward and say that he doesn't endorse these ads. A president MUST stay above this. Nobody will be fooled of course, but that's how things have to be done.

Bush has called for the end of ALL the 527 ads, and him and his campaign have repeatedly stated they will not attack Kerry's service. In fact, it may be illegal for him to ask them to stop, since it's an absolute requirement for the 527 groups to NOT be coordinated with any campaigns.

Kerry, in contrast, first slapped at the latest MoveOn ads, then recanted and said they were OK with him.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-08-20 3:26:08 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-08-20 3:26:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 jules, don't get me wrong here... I'm trying to take into question the counterattack, nothing else.

Both ads are valid. But they'd be more powerful if they came from different groups.

The second one is even more important. Whether Kerry earned his purple hearts for minor injuries is not that relevant for his presidency, even if he's embellishing the point.

His actions in 1971 go right to the heart of the matter though.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-20 3:28:17 PM||   2004-08-20 3:28:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Yep, agreed that it's following the tone of the book. What is "interesting" to me is that the spinners don't have anything of substance to say other than "it is interesting that..." *heh*

The spinroom doesn't know what to do with this. They're trying to keep the ads from running. They're trying to get the book--#1 seller on Amazon.com--pulled (already posted all over the 'burg). They've tried to slime them personally--they will try harder in the days ahead--but they haven't even tried to refute the substance of these ads.
Posted by eLarson 2004-08-20 3:28:48 PM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com]  2004-08-20 3:28:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Point taken, Robert, I didn't know that.

Btw amazon.com says: Availability: Usually ships within 5 to 7 weeks????

And amazon.de says that they don't stock the book anymore?

Is it just out of print or???
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-20 3:33:46 PM||   2004-08-20 3:33:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Hey TGA, that's interesting. I'll have to double check my order, because they initially said that it shipped, but since I ordered some other items maybe THEY shipped and NOT the Kerry book.

When I ordered it on the 16th, the page indicated 24 hour shipping for "Unfit"... hmmm
Posted by Chris W.  2004-08-20 3:39:27 PM||   2004-08-20 3:39:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 sounds like the publisher got a bigger order than he expected - or the distributer can't keep up with the demand.
Posted by B 2004-08-20 3:39:50 PM||   2004-08-20 3:39:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 It exposes how he underwent a change of conscience at some point in the Vietnam War-a change of conscience that may well have rendered him incapable of ever again using military force
Its my understanding that Kerry's commencement address in 1966 (at Yale) was very critical of then Pres. Johnson and the Vietnam war. He was *always* anti-war.
Note also (from Unfit for Command):
1) Kerry originally petitioned his draft board for a student deferrment (to study in Paris) and was turned down.
2) Kerry enlisted in the Naval Reserve and not the Navy itself.
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-08-20 3:44:14 PM||   2004-08-20 3:44:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 TGA, I asked that question on LGF, and received this reply from Axiom.

Apparently, they weren't ready for the demand.
Posted by BH 2004-08-20 3:45:48 PM||   2004-08-20 3:45:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Even though it was expected, I am amazed at the feeding frenzy - at how the MSM is really going after the SBVT. They're obsolutely unhinged! They've already willingly exposed their bias by openly backing sKerry, but a Bush victory will also illustrate how ineffective and IRRELEVANT they've become And then, the meltdown will truly begin. There isn't enough popcorn in all the world for that! Better start hoarding now
Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-08-20 3:46:42 PM||   2004-08-20 3:46:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 mmmmmm popcorn
Posted by Chris W.  2004-08-20 3:47:36 PM||   2004-08-20 3:47:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Barnes & Noble ships in 24 hours.... Amazon in 5 to 7 weeks?
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-20 3:49:10 PM||   2004-08-20 3:49:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Wow, CrazyFool, that's interesting. I'd love to see the text from that speech to see just what his mindset was in 1966. If out-and-out opposition to the military as such appeared in the Yale speech, it could prove veerrrry useful.
Posted by jules 187 2004-08-20 3:51:40 PM||   2004-08-20 3:51:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Also, Barnes has 56 comments, Amazon only 3. But the book ranks Number 1 with both....

Another hmmmmm (for Amazon)
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-20 3:52:07 PM||   2004-08-20 3:52:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Amazon deletes "reviews" usually trolls but they "edit" their site.
Posted by FlameBait93268 2004-08-20 4:01:53 PM||   2004-08-20 4:01:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Must have been awfully busy with "editing"...
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-20 4:06:42 PM||   2004-08-20 4:06:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 The more Kerry fights this, using surrogates for totalitarian-like censorship, the more these vets fight back.

O'Neill is relating more and more creepy stories about Munchausen-Kerry (just now on Hannity eg),
like Kerry's claim in the 1971 Senate hearing that he killed farm animals is true.

How can we ensure the Cabal now report this without editorializing? Can we contact sponsors of Rather-Brokaw-Jennings evening shows, ask that they remove sponsorship unless the whole story is told? What do we do?
Posted by BigEd 2004-08-20 4:34:18 PM||   2004-08-20 4:34:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 He killed farm animals???
There goes Mucky's vote :-)
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-20 4:38:20 PM||   2004-08-20 4:38:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Must have been awfully busy with "editing"...

Amazon also had a problem with staffers posting fake reviews and changing the title of the book. Somebody said B&N ships in 24 hours?

Time to place an order...
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-08-20 5:35:52 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-08-20 5:35:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Given that Amazon's had problems with their staff editing the data for "Unfit for Command", I wonder if there's been some shenanigans with their stock levels.

ESPECIALLY since Barnes and Noble just confirmed they'll be shipping my copy Monday. Either B&N ordered a TON more, or there's something wrong at Amazon.

I actually complained to Amazon last week about their staff editing the data for Unfit for Command, but never heard back from them. Given that, and my suspicion about the reasons for their stock problems, I've shifted ALL my book orders over to B&N.

Once I get my copy of Unfit, I'm going to write Amazon again, explaining to them why they've lost my business.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-08-20 5:53:36 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-08-20 5:53:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 "This ad shouldn't have come from the Swift Vets. They should have stuck with what they personally witnessed about Kerry's "heroism". That's where they are most powerful."

TGA, I was in the Army when Kerry smeared his fellow servicemen in that Senate testimony. I saw the effect John Kerry's lies had on those in my unit who had been to Vietnam and served honorably and bravely.

The ad characterizes the effect of Kerry's smears against his fellow soldiers as "devastating."

Believe me, that is an understatement. A GROSS understatement.
Posted by Dave D. 2004-08-20 6:13:13 PM||   2004-08-20 6:13:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 Barnes and Noble (www.barnesandnoble.com) still "usually ships within in 24 hours."
Posted by RWV 2004-08-20 6:15:39 PM||   2004-08-20 6:15:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 My copy is on the way.
Posted by RWV 2004-08-20 6:34:50 PM||   2004-08-20 6:34:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 TGA, I disagree that this will backfire. The torture of U.S prisoners by the North was well documented and NOBODY is going to question them or their motives. To do so would be political suicide. I hope that the DNC tries to stop this one, it will drive the centrists to the right in a hurry.
Posted by Cyber Sarge  2004-08-20 9:03:44 PM||   2004-08-20 9:03:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 TGA - in the ad one of the vets recounts his torture by the NV's, and that Kerry's testimony was used to motivivate them to "confess" to war crimes.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-08-20 9:09:44 PM||   2004-08-20 9:09:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 Well I'll believe you on that then. The German press seems to be rather reserved on that issue and prefers to see this all as an example for "dirty campaigning"... but without really going into details.

I'll get a copy of the book in a few days, so that will make comments easier.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-20 9:16:09 PM||   2004-08-20 9:16:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 Old Spook, I noticed that, and this aspect should absolutely be worked out more.

To be tortured is terrible, but to be tortured by the betrayal of your own kind is devastating.

The Soviets used these dirty tricks all the time. But we knew that the "confessions" they held against us were obtained by torture. To learn that somebody would willingly give them information (and lies) to use against us is the hardest thing.

Too bad that John McCain has nothing to say about it.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-20 9:25:39 PM||   2004-08-20 9:25:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 TGA, the German press understands, as does the U. S. press that this is an out of body experience from which Kerry may not recover. That is why they, like the U. S. press are "reserved."

I was not in the military and I was and remain in the middle and both sides on Vietnam. It was gray. It still has a lot of gray. It was a gray time. But I remember Kerry's medal tossing and testimony and I thought he was a slime then and still do. A lot of my generation and those younger have no recollection of that testimony. Now they will be refreshed.

In that regard, I think it is interesting that they chose to show a picture of Kerry with the audio of his testimony. Now that will be followed up on the news by replays of his testimony with voice and video together, reaching a broader audience than the ad.

This and the follow-ups, already in the can, will be devastating to Kerry. The only silver lining is that we may put Vietnam behind us domestically, though I doubt it.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-08-20 9:28:43 PM||   2004-08-20 9:28:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 take it from an American TGA..this one won't backfire. If Kerry attacks the POWs, he's history.

My liberal friends will still vote for Kerry.. to vote for Bush would be sacrilege, but they are become less bellicose in their support for him. They are embarrassed to say they support Kerry.

It's not a good sign for Kerry. Al Gore had far more support at this stage of the game, and it's only going to get worse for Kerry.
Posted by B 2004-08-20 9:31:54 PM||   2004-08-20 9:31:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 Just read in Unfit that while Kerry was making his claims and meeting with the North Vietmanese (in '71 and '72) he was still in the Naval Reserve - but 'Inactive'. Not in 'standby' inactive but plain 'inactive'.

Does this change things?
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-08-20 9:32:10 PM||   2004-08-20 9:32:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 Wow! Can you say “treason”?
treason ['trez-en]: Anglo-French treison crime of violence against a person to whom allegiance is owed, literally, betrayal, from Old French traïson, from traïr to betray, from Latin tradere to hand over, surrender. The offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country or of assisting its enemies in war. Specific: The act of levying war against the United States or adhering to or giving aid and comfort to its enemies by one who owes it allegiance.
CrazyFool notes: Kerry was making his claims and meeting with the North Vietmanese (in '71 and '72) he was still in the Naval Reserve - but 'Inactive'. Not in 'standby' inactive but plain 'inactive'.

But, if he was meeting with these guys then, the war was still going on, because the Paris peace talks were ongoing and the peace agreement between the United States, North Vietnam, and South Vietnam wasn’t signed until Jan. 27, 1973.
Posted by cingold 2004-08-20 9:53:15 PM||   2004-08-20 9:53:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 I guess this won't be "helpful" for Kerry then:

"Gen. Giap: Kerry's Group Helped Hanoi Defeat U.S.

The North Vietnamese general in charge of the military campaign that finally drove the U.S. out of South Vietnam in 1975 credited a group led by Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry with helping him achieve victory.

In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S."
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-20 10:09:24 PM||   2004-08-20 10:09:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 I hope that will be the subject of a future SBVT advertisement.
Posted by Dave D. 2004-08-20 10:21:24 PM||   2004-08-20 10:21:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 TGA - I wouldn't begin to guess correctly how politics works at the grass roots level there, even if I lived in germany as an ex-pat. Same is true here. Kerry's toast....it's just the roasting time in question, and the longer he waits to do an "OK, here's what really happened" open-question press conference just let's the infection deepen and claim other limbs (NYTimes, anyone?)
Posted by Frank G  2004-08-20 10:41:32 PM||   2004-08-20 10:41:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 TGA, you wrote: I guess this won't be "helpful" for Kerry then: "Gen. Giap: Kerry's Group Helped Hanoi Defeat U.S.

EXACTLY! I remember thinking (in High School) how sad it was that the U.S. was just cutting and running from Vietnam -- although Nixon did get us out of there rather artfully (and the South Vietnamese could have held down the fort at that time). Now, to learn that our own countrymen were undermining those efforts. It is too much. The b@st@!d sKerry should be drawn and quartered -- after being hung.
Posted by cingold 2004-08-20 10:52:16 PM||   2004-08-20 10:52:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 TGA,

McCain is the last member of the "Keating Five" in the Senate, so it is all about the money for him. He used to hate Kerry as much as any other vet, until Dishonest John sat him down in the early 90's and got him involved in business ventures in Vietnam.
Posted by Ernest Brown 2004-08-20 11:11:06 PM|| [http://saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]  2004-08-20 11:11:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 It looks like the conservative "Die Welt" is on to the story:

John Kerrys Integrität nimmt Schaden (John Kerry's integrity damaged)
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-20 11:29:32 PM||   2004-08-20 11:29:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 Lol - I love how everyone assumes Skeery had integrity to be damaged. If you look at this guy, from the moment he enlisted until today, and reasoned it out - you'd have to conclude the entire 4 decades are a script. How to go from squirrely diplokid to political glory. He has taken each step with such naked calculation and ambition that it's impressive - assuming you recognize the lack of integrity such a life-plan entails. Pretty amazing.
Posted by .com 2004-08-20 11:40:44 PM||   2004-08-20 11:40:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#55 The Swifties should fire their internet consultant though.

One of the first lessons when starting a campaign: You must not only buy the dotcom domain.

Look at swiftvets.org and weep.

Whatta blunder.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-21 12:25:23 AM||   2004-08-21 12:25:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#56 Absolutely correct, TGA. Sigh. No one ever asks the little people - y'know, the ones who actually know what they're doing. I've got 17 domains at present, myself. Had over 60 at one time. Sold a few and that paid for the whole snarky fun mess, lol!

Need one? Lol!
Posted by .com 2004-08-21 12:39:29 AM||   2004-08-21 12:39:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#57 Well I could get my own blog..lol
But then again, who needs another blogger.
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-21 12:44:13 AM||   2004-08-21 12:44:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#58 Lol - part of why I'm here, instead of there, heh. I topped out at about 100 unique visitors per day while blogging from SA. Then one of the visitors was the Saudi firewall IP. They didn't ban me, but they would have eventually if I hadn't quit. Luckily - they didn't connect the blog to my IP in-Kingdom, heh.
Posted by .com 2004-08-21 12:57:21 AM||   2004-08-21 12:57:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#59 There is a good reason for why I am here. This is probably the best political blog on the web, and one where any decent intelligent poster is welcome. This is quite a rarity.
Hey and there is even space for Mucky's Shakespearean essays... and dotcoms pretty pictures :-)

AND it saves me an assistant to pay for doing the important press clippings :-)
Posted by True German Ally 2004-08-21 1:12:05 AM||   2004-08-21 1:12:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#60 Spot-on! I get email from friends all the time chock full of news links - usually about 36-48 hrs after it's been shredded here on RB, heh!
Posted by .com 2004-08-21 1:16:55 AM||   2004-08-21 1:16:55 AM|| Front Page Top

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