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2004-03-25 Arabia

Saudi Woman Snarls and Shows Fangs and Claws -- Arab Men Cower and Consult Koran

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Posted by Homer Simpson 2004-03-25 9:43:31 AM|| || Front Page|| [8 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 D'oh! This article was posed by me.

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-03-25 10:16:21 AM|| 2004-03-25 10:16:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Woot! Woot! This is one classy Saudi lady. And everything she says (there's quite a bit more at the link) fits to a "T" what I saw.

I had, in my 2 tours in SA, a few wymyn "friends" - though the relationships wouldn't qualify in the West as being beyond acquantence or work associate. But for Saoodi, it was pretty big magic for an expat to actually have decent unabridged conversations with a Saudi woman. I certainly met none with the stones of the author, but then the ones I knew were still young - and hadn't been forced into a arranged marriage, yet. That's where the author's main point might fail: family pressure to accept an arrangement would be very powerful. Loss of face for the Patriarch (refusing to cooperate) would probably mean some very nasty consequences in the norm. Except where there was true tolerance, love, and respect - such defiance would be unthinkable or heavily punished, IMHO.

The key impression I took away from Saudi was that wymyn who speak out / want to work / act independently are usually punished or confined (and shunned within the family) -- or if the males in her life were very very tolerant (that means connected and well exposed to Western ways, BTW) then she was treated like a favored pet - not taken seriously in the least. The way you would treat a child with an overactive imagination.

I wish there was a link to her site - I don't see one.

Thx for the post, "Homer"! She nails it.

Posted by .com 2004-03-25 10:29:53 AM|| 2004-03-25 10:29:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Oops - I was composing / correcting spelling etc and overlapped! Thx, Mike - good piece!

Posted by .com 2004-03-25 10:31:00 AM|| 2004-03-25 10:31:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]

Posted by Anonymous

2004-03-25 11:58:37 AM|| 2004-03-25 11:58:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Well, let's not jump on the bandwagon of man-hating feminism just yet. Even if the feminist in question is bashing people we dislike.

Posted by gromky 2004-03-25 12:09:10 PM|| 2004-03-25 12:09:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 OP - are you the one who's been saying the way to "tame" Izzoids is through freeing their wymyn?

You might have the problem by the short ones, heh, and Wajiha and friends could be the people who eventually prove the case! I certainly hope so!

Posted by .com 2004-03-25 12:12:08 PM|| 2004-03-25 12:12:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 gromky - This isn't generic anti-myn stuff at all. If you read it you'll find it's very specifically targeted criticism of Arab males and Arab society - which is based upon Shari'a Law, of course. She's dead-right, too, I've seen it first-hand.

Does that soothe your soul a little? ;-)

Posted by .com 2004-03-25 12:16:28 PM|| 2004-03-25 12:16:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 If you go to the full article you'll find an appropo ad. Something about a cucumber.

Posted by GK 2004-03-25 2:10:44 PM|| 2004-03-25 2:10:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 I think the problem is, while she may be spot-on with her criticisms of Arab men, it's that very feeling of impotence that causes them to so brutalize and oppress their women-folk: They need to feel they have power over something. And Islam has a long history of putting their women second. Forget "rights of men over women are equal to rights of women over men." Mohammed didn't respect women, and I don't think his modern-day followers do, either.

Posted by The Doctor 2004-03-25 3:19:23 PM|| 2004-03-25 3:19:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#10

"...the most common medication among them is a drug against impotence... If we examine them under a microscope...

Ouch!

Posted by Old Grouch 2004-03-25 10:10:42 PM|| 2004-03-25 10:10:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Doctor: Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The men in Saudi don't oppress the women because theey are powerless and it makes them feel better.

They do it because they can.

And because they are encouraged to do so from an early age by all their relatives, their teachers and their clerics. Their society makes the cultural rules and they accept them.

Saudi women would be the natural allies of the west. They have everything to gain by westernisation and democratisation of Saudi.

Most of all they have everything to gain from a cultural shift away from fanatical Islamist fascism and towards a turkey-style moderately Muslim state.

Being real for a minute, we cannot win the WOT by armed conflict alone: it is an ideological battle and we must win by crushing the fascist, repressive, western-freedom hating aspect of Islamist culture.

The women of Islam are our natural allies and the sooner the State Department and the Pentagon realise this and begin a serious psy-ops initiative of cultural warfare, the better.

Wahhabism treats women like dirt, and guess what? Women are human beings with brains.

This is also the weakpoint of the bleeding-heart left. Try bringing it up next time they call you racist. They give not one jot of caring about the women treated like chattel slaves in Saudi for all their prating about human rights.

Posted by Anon1 2004-03-25 11:23:56 PM|| 2004-03-25 11:23:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Doc and Anon1: You're both right, actually. Nice post Anon1.

Posted by ex-lib 2004-03-31 2:08:46 AM|| 2004-03-31 2:08:46 AM|| Front Page Top

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