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2004-03-20 Afghanistan/South Asia

Al-Qaeda being aided by tribals, Ayman may not be there

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Posted by Dan Darling 2004-03-20 12:23:10 AM|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 should AQ get reprieves if Ayman's not home? I think not.....Kill.Them.

Posted by Frank G 2004-3-20 12:29:29 AM|| 2004-3-20 12:29:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#2
The Chechens basically want free passage and an immediate end of the military operation in exchange for the release of the hostages

Kidnapping is the Chechens' major economic activity.

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-3-20 12:34:36 AM|| 2004-3-20 12:34:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Dumb question with an obvious answer, but..
What the hell are the Chechens doing all the way over in Pakistan??!

Posted by Jen 2004-3-20 12:38:30 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-3-20 12:38:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Kill them, Kill them good!

Jen, Living. Time to end that!

Posted by Lucky 2004-3-20 12:41:46 AM|| 2004-3-20 12:41:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Is Perv's promise not to hand prisoners over to the Americans supposed to be an incentive to surrender? Apparently these guys have not heard the truth about the Havanah Hilton or the Karachi Gulag.

Posted by Mr. Davis 2004-3-20 12:44:30 AM|| 2004-3-20 12:44:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 What the hell are the Chechens doing all the way over in Pakistan??!

It's the all-you-can-eat Halal Roast Goat fest.

Posted by Rafael 2004-3-20 12:46:34 AM|| 2004-3-20 12:46:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 What the hell are the Chechens doing all the way over in Pakistan??!

After the Taliban, the thousands of foreigners their crossed over the border to Pakistan. The South East Asians, Bangladeshis, and Arabs made their way back to their own countries, and the Pakistanis melted back into society.
But the Chechens have nowhere to go home too, and since many of them speak Pashtun, they decided to stay. Although some of them have been reported as going to Iraq.

Posted by Paul Moloney 2004-3-20 1:05:49 AM|| 2004-3-20 1:05:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Thanks, Paul! Sounds like a good, informed answer.

Posted by Jen 2004-3-20 2:55:00 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-3-20 2:55:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Thanks for the info PM, it is starting to look like the pashtun are the sunni's of paki-land.

OT:
Everybody keep an eye out for this:

"11:31 USA Today fires reporter for faking stories, including firsthand account of settlers shooting on Palestinian taxi in Hebron"

story please (I cant myself, the next 32 hours will mostly be working in a doka,drinking or riding my horse :-):-)

Posted by Evert Visser in NL 2004-3-20 4:49:06 AM|| [http://chinditz.blog-city.com/] 2004-3-20 4:49:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 there must be a pretty much unpoliced route all across the middle east for these fuckers to travel about on.Bet theres alot of these bastards constantly shuttling to and fro from chechenia to pak land and Afgan not to mention through to Iraq and Palistine.Wonder what other nationalities of scumbag they'll bag in the hills,my bets are on a few indianision or simlar fellow scumbags also up there. Wouldn't mind betting a few more 'British' backpackers will be innoceltly caught up in it to as they travel through the idilic scenary.Sounds like America needs to C-17 a few bradleys and abrams armoured vehicles to speed things up

Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-20 6:31:50 AM|| 2004-3-20 6:31:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 CNN showed some (presumably Pakistani?) armor, but i doubt thats ideal weapon system for attacking a surrounded and fortified position. Infantry and artillery sound like best mix. What they WOULD benefit from would be US (or UK) infantry, presumably more efficient and reliable, and coalition helicopters and fixed wing aircraft, in addition to their own.

Dont count on it though. Perv is taking a huge step politically in sending a force of 70,000 regulars into this region. Something Pakistan has never done before, and I dont think you Brits did it very often, either. As it is the MMA is "seething". If Perv can get a good bag, either a senior leader, or at least several hundred cannon fodder plus some midlevels, the pressure to let in coalition forces is off.

Reports this AM suggest a bag of 100 prisoners, not counting all the dead hostiles. It will be a big disappointment if they dont get Ayman, but I think they'll still be happy with 200-300 hostile dead or captured, an AQ base destroyed (for the first time in Pakistan?) and a major demonstration to the locals of the states ability to send forces there with impunity.

Posted by liberalhawk 2004-3-20 6:48:36 AM|| 2004-3-20 6:48:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 i'd use A-10's and AC-130 as loitering killers,have 3 or 4 tactical forward air control parties on the ground, perhaps set up a forward operating base for attack helo ops,wow just thinking about everything thats needed is a hell of a task.Basically use go all out on the bastards with full air cover and fire support.B1B's flat out down on the deck,think Mach 1.2 250 feet above the ground,even if they didn't drop the any weapons they may well scare some out not to mention permanently deafen them.. :)

Posted by Jon Shep U.K 2004-3-20 6:59:58 AM|| 2004-3-20 6:59:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Doka???
Sounds like they would rather die in place than try to escape across the border.

Posted by Raptor 2004-3-20 7:12:22 AM|| 2004-3-20 7:12:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 They left Pakis in lurch with few F16s and nothing else in military might on insistance from the indies. Shud they hv supported their staunch ally then things would hv been a bit different. Anyway never too late to appreciate a friend in need. Might as well give them few extras in brad/abrahms for keep.

Posted by sakattack 2004-3-20 7:34:49 AM|| 2004-3-20 7:34:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Sorry Raptor, I was talking about a photo-lab (because of the Homo-erotic nuance, i don't like to use the word: "Dark-room" (doka is the dutch abbreviation of the word) ( nothing against gays but i think it better to eradicate any doubt about my sexuality beforehand )))

Posted by Evert Visser in NL 2004-3-20 10:40:04 AM|| [http://chinditz.blog-city.com/] 2004-3-20 10:40:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Evert - that's more than I needed to know...

Posted by Frank G 2004-3-20 12:14:36 PM|| 2004-3-20 12:14:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Methinks he doth protest...

Posted by Bulldog 2004-3-20 12:37:56 PM|| 2004-3-20 12:37:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 loan 'em a MOAB. Flush the rotten turds to hell.

Posted by anymouse 2004-3-20 1:08:22 PM|| 2004-3-20 1:08:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 quote from fox news...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114725,00.html

Briefing reporters, Hussain (Pakistani Lt. Gen.) said a Chechen fighter was arrested Friday with a book on chemistry and explosives. He said he suspected many of the militants were foreigners but others were members of the Pakistani Yargul Khel tribe.

"I'm determined to punish this tribe and make them an example for the entire South Waziristan agency," Hussain said, adding that operations would continue in the area even after the current crackdown.

Weren't they just yesterday talking about avoiding collateral damage to the tribe?... I think the Pakistanis are pissed now.

Posted by Damn_Proud_American 2004-3-20 4:41:04 PM|| [http://brighterfuture.blogspot.com] 2004-3-20 4:41:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Nobody goes to the doka anymore, it's too crowded with nuances.

Posted by Shipman 2004-3-20 8:11:31 PM|| 2004-3-20 8:11:31 PM|| Front Page Top

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