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2004-02-10 Europe

French Lawmakers Overwhelmingly Back Veil Ban

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Posted by Steve 2004-02-10 12:49:45 PM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Well then does that mean the French themselves have to stop wearing those stupid Berets? Perhaps an Inquisition into these matters will quell discontent. Where is Torqada when you need him

Posted by dataman1 2004-2-10 1:08:06 PM|| 2004-2-10 1:08:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 hmm...I guess I sort of disagree with the conventional logic here. I don't see what the big deal is in banning the additional attire. In America, many schools went to uniforms or uniform codes to prevent the problems caused by gang attire which was as simple as a colored bandana or a red-sox hat. Doing so was highly successful in eliminating much of the gang activity.

Big deal if they can't wear their headscarves or yammakas (sp?). Is it worth young girls getting raped every day?? Education is free, if they don't like it, they can always can pay for a private school. This is all much to do about nothing in my opinion.

Posted by B 2004-2-10 1:17:14 PM|| 2004-2-10 1:17:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 "Muslim pupils sometimes repeat anti-Semitic themes they see on Arabic satellite television. "

So how about instead of banning head scarves, you go do something about the antisemitic Arabic satellite networks? Or better yet try to reform the whole region like we're doing? Or better yet just support us in what we're doing??

B. 1. This isnt a school uniform - as long as what you wear isnt "religious" as defined by the govt, you can wear it. The govt decides whats religious, and bans only that. B. Girls getting raped - gee i thought this was generally an NRA friendly site - remember guns, dont kill, people do. Well headscarves dont rape, young men do. C. Sure they can go to a private school - is that a good way to get them to assimilate?

Basically the French approach to the muslim fundie problem is to fight it on their own soil. The US approach is to go solve the problem at the root, in the middle east. Fighting it on your own soil inevitably leads to discrimination and civil rights limitations - (yeah, i know the scarf ban is kinda, sorta justifiable, and France doesnt have and doesnt have to have the US view on absolute religious freedom and wall of seperation - but this is a step in a certain direction) one of the reasons Im a LIBERALhawk, and a liberalHAWK is that I think winning the war OVER THERE, in the islamic world, is necessary to avoid this kind of clash of civs within the West. France is illustrating the danger.

Posted by liberalhawk 2004-2-10 1:58:25 PM|| 2004-2-10 1:58:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Car bombing in Paris in 3....2....

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2004-2-10 2:49:18 PM|| 2004-2-10 2:49:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Accept head scarves in otrder to assimilate Muslims? And what next? Female genital mutilation? Nuts.

If Muslims are unhappy about France's status of women they are perfectly free to go to Saudi Arabia or to hell (assumming there is a difference). Same thing for the Berkeleys intellectuals who play moral relativism while the Kurds are gassed, the Soudanese enslaved or women oppressed and mutilated.

There was a time, a log, long, looong time ago, where France was a positive force for freedom. At that time she did things like liberating slaves as soon as they set foot in french soil. Time to walk that way again instead of bowing before dictators and degenerate kinglets.

Posted by JFM 2004-2-10 3:05:39 PM|| 2004-2-10 3:05:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Does anyone have the IDs of the U.S. Congressmen who signed such a letter?

Posted by SamIII 2004-2-10 3:11:33 PM|| [www.samlindsey.com] 2004-2-10 3:11:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Does anyone have the IDs of the U.S. Congressmen who signed such a letter?

Posted by SamIII 2004-2-10 3:11:37 PM|| [www.samlindsey.com] 2004-2-10 3:11:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 French education minister Luc Ferry is (well, by French standards) a great intellectual. He is a strong critic of radical environmentalism and, more importantly, of the post-modernist rot that has done so much damage (as a French import) in US academia.

Posted by closet neo-con 2004-2-10 3:32:40 PM|| 2004-2-10 3:32:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Wonder how many of these Congress people are suppoters of the ACLU and thier agenda.

Posted by Raptor 2004-2-10 4:10:24 PM|| 2004-2-10 4:10:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Mr Yosemite Sam

The Algerian islamists set bombs in trains and metros in 1995. One of this tried to derail the TGV (very high speed train, about 180 miles an hour). It didn't explode, otherwise it would have caused hundreds of victims. My daughter was in one of the trains who rolled over the bomb without detonating it. At that time ~~the USA~~ Clinton was busy licking the boots from those he considered the future masters of Algeria.

Posted by JFM 2004-2-10 4:12:37 PM|| 2004-2-10 4:12:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 I completely disagree with you liberal hawk. No one is telling them they can't wear the headscarves or the yammaka's, they are simply telling them they have to take them off when they get to school. Big difference.

The Koran makes no law demanding they wear headscarves - they wear them because it's a cultural thing. There are lots of things we don't let children wear to school when we believe they are disruptive. What makes the headscarf so much more damn sacred than anything else? By your logic, the schools should let the children of the Church of Satan wear dead chickens around their neck if some one deems it, "religious".

Would you support an American, entering a Muslim school demanding to wear provocative clothing? No, you wouldn't. You would expect them to respect the cultural norms. These children see women's hair EVERY day. It's not like the girls are going to suffer permanent pyscological damage if they let loose their locks for a few hours.

It's a known fact that prohibiting gang attire on school grounds reduces gang violence and participation - how are headscarves, yammakas (sp) and crosses different from wearing the colors of a gang?

Posted by B 2004-2-10 5:15:46 PM|| 2004-2-10 5:15:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 LH - I'm with the French (thought I'd never say that - ackkkk!) and JFM on this. IMHO The new Islamic push is to force their customs, however ass-backward and misogynist they are, on the rest of society as a PC/civil rights argument. The head coverings are an effort by muslim patriarchy (hate using left/feminist words, but it's correct here) to subdue and lessen female standing - purely due to the Islamic male's own fears of inferiority and inadequacy. Girls are trained from the day they are born that the scarf is a good thing, along with serving as second class citizens to males. Brainwashed, they will actually accept that the scarf is a necessary part of their being. God forbid they show an ankle lest the Islamic male find it necessary to rape her through no fault of his own.....

Posted by Frank G 2004-2-10 8:04:09 PM|| 2004-2-10 8:04:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 After we are done digesting the newest round of international law that our Supreme Court plans for us to follow, we have the next chapter emerging in France. Frenchwoman Marries Her Dead Boyfriend. I hope for the sake of the honeymoon that rigor mortis has set-in.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-2-10 8:08:50 PM|| 2004-2-10 8:08:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Believers! Let the seething begin!
SH: You sure that wasn't Massachusetts?

Posted by tu3031 2004-2-10 8:11:48 PM|| 2004-2-10 8:11:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 hey LH - one last question...If the Christian Idenity Church decides they want to make the same day as Martin Luther King Day a religious holiday and force their children to wear white hoods, as a sign of their faith, would you support that? I didn't think so. What's the difference?

Posted by B 2004-2-11 7:30:26 AM|| 2004-2-11 7:30:26 AM|| Front Page Top

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