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2003-12-12 Europe

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Posted by mojo 2003-12-12 5:47:17 PM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Of course, this agreement will have no legitimacy unless the U.N. approves it, right???

Posted by snellenr 2003-12-12 5:56:00 PM|| 2003-12-12 5:56:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 I Fisked this earlier today. What a clusterfuck this whole ~~pheee~~EU project is. It seems designed purposely to subjugate smaller countries to the wills of ~~France~~ the larger countries. Sick fuckin' joke, IMO.

Posted by Raj 2003-12-12 5:56:43 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com] 2003-12-12 5:56:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Poland and Spain would have 'em by the short ones if either Chirac or Shroeder had any honor and would be embarrassed by caught red-handed trying to change the rules after the fact, as they are doing. But they don't.

"Break a deal: face the wheel."

Posted by ,comma 2003-12-12 6:09:11 PM|| 2003-12-12 6:09:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Poland and Spain aren't "smaller countries", dudes. They are honking big ones. Their problem lies in that though they don't have as big a population as France, Italy, or Britain they want pretty much the same voting rights.

This ambition sets them apart from larger *and* smaller countries alike.

The problems arose with ridiculous voting seats arrangments of treaties past -- EU is now just reaping the whirlwind that was sown in carelessness some time ago. One thing does become evident though - that we should have ratified the constitution before signing in more members.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-12-12 7:10:26 PM|| 2003-12-12 7:10:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 P433r teh United Europa!

Posted by 4thInfVet 2003-12-12 9:17:17 PM|| 2003-12-12 9:17:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Well, the question is, what the *&$% is the EU supposed to be? Is it supposed to be
A) Some useless idiot thing like the UN?
B) A purposeful confederation of entities jealous of their soveriegnty?
~~C) a clumsy try by Germany and France to regain the prestige they frittered away in the last century, spilling the blood of millions in the process, and do it with OPM this time?~~

A) Why not just adopt the UN charter. No good?
B) Well, there's three straightforward ways to design a voting system:
1) n votes per entity. No. Unacceptable to us big boys.
2) n votes per capita. No. Unacceptable to us little boys.
3) Both at once, and two Houses. Not for us. Who's ever gotten anything that complicated to work. What? Where? Since when? Oh. But they're just a bunch of cowboys.
~~C) Why bother? Let them tote their own damned freight.~~

Who wrote that thing they're wrangling about, anyway? Valery who? Where's he from? That'd be a clue.

Posted by Glenn (not Reynolds) 2003-12-12 9:23:01 PM|| 2003-12-12 9:23:01 PM|| Front Page Top

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