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2003-11-25 Home Front

Ex-Muslim Chaplain at Guantanamo Charged

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Posted by Jarhead 2003-11-25 4:23:45 PM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 A co-worker has speculated that the porn was intended to carry messages with steganography.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2003-11-25 4:31:00 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2003-11-25 4:31:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Why wasn't I just hearing how pious he was? How innocent of all charges? Divide and conquer - adultery will turn the wife

Posted by Frank G 2003-11-25 4:40:28 PM|| 2003-11-25 4:40:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Maybe he was having tryouts for '2nd wife'.....

Posted by CrazyFool 2003-11-25 6:17:05 PM|| 2003-11-25 6:17:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 I've known officers who have engaged in adultery. Never really understood how they could enforce the UCMJ when they were breaking it themselves. It got really bad when the Commander in Chief was leading the charge as it were.

My dad told me that some marine tried to use Clinton's infidelity to get out of NJP for adultry, but the Commandant explained to all that for Marines Semper Fidelis means exactly that. Wish I had the stones and could do enough pull ups to have joined the Corps.

Posted by Super Hose 2003-11-25 6:23:37 PM|| 2003-11-25 6:23:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Interesting points, guys...

Y'know, it's one thing to be unfortunate enough to be born into the RoP and indoctrinated from birth - it's a whole nuther thing to convert as an adult.

I still can't wrap my mind around the notion of a woman (with a functioning brain) looking open-eyed at Islam and saying, "Oh yeah - that's for me!" Beyond boggling.

As for myn, am I the only one who believes that they must be well and truly fucked up induhviduals? Read the suras and haddiths and tell me it came from an "omniscient being" - and I'll have the laugh of a lifetime. Yee and his ilk need to be studied. There is something fundamentally pathological in their "personalities."

Or are they just morons who "found a bunch of guys who dressed alike and followed them around" or converted for typically pathetic oh so human reasons, such as pressure from some "friend." I tend to think that choosing the fundamental path of your whole phreakin' life should demand something rather deep and, well, phreakin' fundamental.

As for Yee in particular, sorry folks but his conversion alone would fire my suspicions that he is capable of any level of self-deception and, thus, certainly capable and, if he's a good Muslim, motivated to be deceitful in pursuit of the Islamic agenda. His position at Gitmo certainly afforded him the means to do so... Islam is the ultimate form of justifying the sick creed of any means to an end.

The WoT is for all the marbles. We have to get past the automatic PC reactions to asking such questions - and finding answers. Time is getting short, and the stakes don't get any higher.

Posted by .com (Abu Skeptic) 2003-11-25 6:30:02 PM|| 2003-11-25 6:30:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Abu, I think you hit the nail on the head. I am a practicing Catholic (still trying) and I have seen many people convert for one reason or another. Those that convert are mostly RADICAL in nature when they convert and then chill out over time. I had a sister-in-law that used to preach to us NON STOP while she was going through religious teachings. After a couple of years she backed off and learned to be herself AND a Catholic at the same time. For the same reason many Muslims that grew up with the religion canât understand the radicals that learn the same religious teachings. I think it kind of like the J.W. or Fundamentalists that really go off the deep end when they âfindâ religion. I think a common theme about converts is that they did not have any religion growing up. When they convert, watch out! All of a sudden they act like they FOUNDED the religion.

Posted by Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) 2003-11-25 6:47:51 PM|| 2003-11-25 6:47:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Cyber Sarge - Sorta like an ex-smoker? ;-)

Now, puhleeeze, explain to me how a woman can convert to Islam! I can picture some personality deficiencies that might contribute: S/M-phreak, Daddy-phreak, Lost Child (any cult will do, just "love bomb" me!), or moron (IQ-wise). I'm sure I left out a dozen other debilitations or twisted mindsets that might be key. But I can't picture a woman without one or more of them converting. It's lame rubbish and petty tripe. Who could think it devine? Arrrggghhh! 8-{

Posted by .com (Abu Skeptic) 2003-11-25 7:26:55 PM|| 2003-11-25 7:26:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 .com, I think it's like you what you said - the men are looking for something to do the thinking for them, that way they are not accountable for anything. I.E. - religion says I can discriminate against women, etc. It's their own exclusive club. For the females, they must have such poor self esteem they need the feeling of belonging and submitting. After all, the main tenet of Islam is "submission to God". Where as Christianity = God is Love and Love is God.

Posted by Jarhead 2003-11-25 8:40:42 PM|| 2003-11-25 8:40:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 SH, I've known some adulterers as well. Two officers in that group, all the rest were SNCO's & other enlisted. Both O's got thrown out. One of the SNCOs (a female) plea bargained her way out of a court martial, she was married & banging one of the O's (some single dumb-asshole). Officer's have to be beyond reproach in the integrity dept, that's been my way of business ever since earning my commission.

Legally, adultery is a hard one to prove unless you can get statements from all involved. I have more sympathy for the young guys who get married their first year in (18-20 yr olds) and deploy for the first time & have a screw up. I don't condone their actions but have never 'ratted' one of them out unless they were engaged in extra-marital affairs w/another servicemen's wife - then it was beat down time. Other then that, I don't meddle in the private affairs of other grown men unless their actions become a detriment to our unit. However, if they get no shit caught, there is no pleading ignorant. You play, you pay. OTOH - young 19 yr old Marines were being thrown out of the service for a stupid mistake & this asshole Clinton, their c-n-c, lies to grand juries, asks for the definition of 'is', represents the country, and nothing happens to him. That is not leadership by example. I don't care what that "huckster" did on his own time, but you don't turn the nation's house into a f*ckin' motel-6 w/some buffet jockey poster child for weight watchers.

Posted by Jarhead 2003-11-25 8:57:45 PM|| 2003-11-25 8:57:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Jarhead, LMAO - appropriately brutal. Somewhere along the line, the military has lost it's ability to let kids (E-4's and E-5's) make honest mistakes. Glad to know that the Corps hasn't lost it's way with respect to Officer accountability. No military unit needs scumbags in charge. I has seen it at even the flag rank - it's poison for morale.

Posted by Super Hose 2003-11-25 9:12:23 PM|| 2003-11-25 9:12:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 SH - right on. These lads would be in college in any other case drinking kegs of natural light & fornicating like rabbits in a pet store. When it came to their screw ups w/women and getting into good ole' donney brooks (i.e. bar fights, punch ups, and good brawls on libo) I always gave them a more then fair deal. No haunting paperwork usually, almost always some bust ass job like filling sand-bags, dig pits, fighting holes, be the section SNCOIC's bitch for the next month. Heck, I was a total moron in my late teens and early 20's as well. Fighting, booze, broads, you name it, I pulled it. I like aggressive, piss & vinegar Marines, backbone of the Corps. Those are the ones we gotta retain, save, dust them off and get them back into the fight so to speak. However, I believe drug users, thieves, gang bangers, chronic p.o.s. sand-baggers, & shirkers need to be let go at first chance. Just dead-weight imo. I know in your experience as a Navy Vet you've seen the same shit on ship over & over again.

You're shitting me about the flag officers pulling this crap? That's unforgivable. Same assholes who sit on courts martial boards and throw guys out for the same stuff they were getting away with. I guess the self righteous only have a "zero defects" mentality for others.

Posted by Jarhead 2003-11-25 9:42:36 PM|| 2003-11-25 9:42:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Kind of made Captains Mast a little interesting.

Posted by Super Hose 2003-11-26 4:49:29 AM|| 2003-11-26 4:49:29 AM|| Front Page Top

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