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2014-11-16 Economy

Erdogan says Muslims, Not Columbus Discovered Americas

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Posted by Ebbomosh Hupemp2664 2014-11-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ] Top

#1 Here's a sort of "pre-Fisking" by Jason Colavito.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/did-columbus-find-an-ancient-mosque-in-cuba

The money quote from Columbus himself:

"Remarking on the position of the river and port, to which he gave the name of San Salvador, he describes its mountains as lofty and beautiful, like the Pena de las Enamoradas, and one of them has another little hill on its summit, like a graceful mosque. The other river and port, in which he now was, has two round mountains to the S.W., and a fine low cape running out to the W.S.W."

So bite me little Turkish Kurd-killing Hitler.

Posted by Secret Master 2014-11-16 00:59|| 2014-11-16 00:59|| Front Page Top

#2 Guess it would have been better if the hilltop looked like a Der Wienerschnitzel.

Posted by Whurong Flomosh7989 2014-11-16 01:43|| 2014-11-16 01:43|| Front Page Top

#3 Injuns discovered America. They kept it a secret as long as they could. That's why they didn't write it down & publish it.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2014-11-16 01:51|| 2014-11-16 01:51|| Front Page Top

#4 Paleo-Americans were here first.

Posted by Fred 2014-11-16 02:06|| 2014-11-16 02:06|| Front Page Top

#5 As I understand it, the "Indians" were Chinese, makes more sense than the Muslims, who claim everything, believable or not, no wonder Obama claims to be Muslim, they lie too.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2014-11-16 03:39|| 2014-11-16 03:39|| Front Page Top

#6 Muslims discovered America in 1178

Unfortunately for them, once they've explained the principles of Islam to the locals, the later became violent---leaving no survivors.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-11-16 05:22|| 2014-11-16 05:22|| Front Page Top

#7 The Vikings were here before Columbus too.

Posted by BrerRabbit 2014-11-16 05:29|| 2014-11-16 05:29|| Front Page Top

#8 The Irish monk St. Brendan, five centuries befoe Columbus. But what matters who discovered it first, if they couldn't keep it? As Fred said, the Paleo-Americans settled here first, but they died out for reasons they neglected to record for posterity.

Posted by trailing wife 2014-11-16 06:07|| 2014-11-16 06:07|| Front Page Top

#9 TW, how do I do highlight in postings?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-11-16 06:09|| 2014-11-16 06:09|| Front Page Top

#10 Highlight: span style=";yellow;" text /span
with angle brackets enclosing everything before the desired text, then another set enclosing afterward. Preview it first, please.

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Posted by trailing wife 2014-11-16 06:18|| 2014-11-16 06:18|| Front Page Top

#11 Thanks

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-11-16 06:38|| 2014-11-16 06:38|| Front Page Top

#12 The implication of Erdogan's claim is that aggressive action to impose Sharia rule on any territory in the Americas would be classified as legitimate defensive jihad.

9/11 or Ft Hood would be acts to defend islamic land against infidel aggressors.

"Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."

Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2014-11-16 07:00|| 2014-11-16 07:00|| Front Page Top

#13 "You didn't build it!"

Posted by Skidmark 2014-11-16 07:17|| 2014-11-16 07:17|| Front Page Top

#14 Erdogan could be correct. They do tend to destroy everything they touch.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-11-16 07:33|| 2014-11-16 07:33|| Front Page Top

#15 Erdogan claimed the difference between Islam and Colonialism is that Islam does not convert by force saying, "Converting people by force, by the sword, has never been a part of Islam. Our religion has never been a tool of exploitation."

How many times did they storm Constantinople before taking it by sword?

BTW, the Chinese had invented gunpowder and movable type long before the Euros got their hands on them. Discovery makes no difference if you can't leverage it for practical uses. Just ask Xerox (PARC) who came up with the Graphic User Interface.

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-11-16 07:50|| 2014-11-16 07:50|| Front Page Top

#16 The Muslim Columbus was bumptious,
His quarters capacious and sumptuous;
Upon his arrival,
He held a revival
And preached and presented his rump to us.

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2014-11-16 07:58|| 2014-11-16 07:58|| Front Page Top

#17 Sounds like they discovered Cuba and that is where we put them. What seems to be the issue?

Posted by Airandee 2014-11-16 08:30|| 2014-11-16 08:30|| Front Page Top

#18 That was good for a hearty laugh this morning!

Posted by JohnQC 2014-11-16 09:50|| 2014-11-16 09:50|| Front Page Top

#19 Fat Bob, try harder. We only allow quality trolls here.

Posted by OldSpook 2014-11-16 10:57|| 2014-11-16 10:57|| Front Page Top

#20 Just confirms my suspicions about erdogan.

Posted by swksvolFF 2014-11-16 11:08|| 2014-11-16 11:08|| Front Page Top

#21 Believe Leif Erricksonn beat them by 2-300 yrs.

Posted by chris 2014-11-16 11:22|| 2014-11-16 11:22|| Front Page Top

#22 Cuba: 456,789,098,788th Most Holy Place in Islam

Posted by tu3031 2014-11-16 11:40|| 2014-11-16 11:40|| Front Page Top

#23 Yeah, We Muslims did and we got a map to prove it... Hold it up to a mirror and you can see for yourself... We are the center of the universe...We are good at birth certificates, foreign student applications, college transcripts, and any other taqfir items too.

Posted by Lionel Seltzer1411 2014-11-16 12:05|| 2014-11-16 12:05|| Front Page Top

#24 Muslims here first... that WOULD explain the mountains of skulls the Spanish found in Aztec cities.....

Posted by Elmulet Glairong9694 2014-11-16 12:25|| 2014-11-16 12:25|| Front Page Top

#25 What a lot of ignorant nonsense, Fat Bob Brown9476.

'Coffle' comes from the Arabic ḳāfila, meaning caravan.

'Kaffir' comes from the Arabic kāfir meaning infidel, which derives from kafara meaning not believe.

It took me moments to look it up, which shows the shallowness of your pretended erudition.
But it is for wallowing in salaciousness that your post was spam copped. This is a family site. Cut it out.

Posted by trailing wife 2014-11-16 13:40|| 2014-11-16 13:40|| Front Page Top

#26 Ouch.

Posted by JohnQC 2014-11-16 13:44|| 2014-11-16 13:44|| Front Page Top

#27 Nuklar is a uniquely American English derived from from, the long form you stupid bastards are all going to die very shortly, so help me dawg amen and GTFO

Posted by Shipman 2014-11-16 15:08|| 2014-11-16 15:08|| Front Page Top

#28 At prayer, the mood becomes gayer
When Muslims espy underwear!
Their eyes roll so drolly:
"The imam's is holey!"
But sometimes a prayer's just a prayer.

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2014-11-16 15:37|| 2014-11-16 15:37|| Front Page Top

#29 Mecca was discovered by Native Americans.

Posted by Ebbomosh Hupemp2664 2014-11-16 15:41|| 2014-11-16 15:41|| Front Page Top

#30 Wish Erdogan would comment here so we could watch TW rip him a new one.

Posted by Ebbomosh Hupemp2664 2014-11-16 15:43|| 2014-11-16 15:43|| Front Page Top

#31 The Spanish (who funded Columbus' journey and comprised his force) referred to enemy temples as "mosques" because they had just completed the Reconquista against the Muslims.

Nothing to do with Muslim temples, obviously.

Kind of like how Muslims referred to all the European crusaders as "Franks".

Posted by charger 2014-11-16 15:55|| 2014-11-16 15:55|| Front Page Top

#32 "Converting people by force, by the sword, has never been a part of Islam. Our religion has never been a tool of exploitation."

Erdogan is misleading.

People of the Book were not to be forcibly converted according to Islamic doctrine. But they were to be forcibly subjugated to Sharia in order to 'nudge' them to conversion.

There may have been no compulsion in religion but Sharia has always been a compulsory body of law.

Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2014-11-16 17:39|| 2014-11-16 17:39|| Front Page Top

#33 http://imgur.com/gallery/X7VLN7T

Posted by Whurong Flomosh7989 2014-11-16 17:42|| 2014-11-16 17:42|| Front Page Top

#34 Wish Erdogan would comment here so we could watch TW rip him a new one.

I wouldn't dream of keeping a chew toy like that to myself, Ebbomosh Hupemp2664. Some pleasures are meant to be shared.

Posted by trailing wife 2014-11-16 19:25|| 2014-11-16 19:25|| Front Page Top

#35 I can see it now: TW "Who'll split the wishbone with me?"

Posted by whitecollar redneck 2014-11-16 21:16|| 2014-11-16 21:16|| Front Page Top

#36 "Mecca was discovered by Native Americans"

Not true, EH. Our Indians have more sense.

Posted by Barbara 2014-11-16 21:31|| 2014-11-16 21:31|| Front Page Top

#37 "Muslim" a Pict word meaning offspring of pigs and demons, worthless for anything but impaled decorations to scare people away. Sadly doesn't work on Romans.

Posted by Silentbrick 2014-11-16 22:36|| 2014-11-16 22:36|| Front Page Top

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