Istanbul (AFP) - Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Saturday that the Americas were discovered by Muslims in the 12th century, nearly three centuries before Christopher Columbus set foot there. Oh, yeah. We all know about Piri Reis.
"Contacts between Latin America and Islam date back to the 12th century. Muslims discovered America in 1178, not Christopher Columbus," the conservative president said in a televised speech during an Istanbul summit of Muslim leaders from Latin America. ... and then they settled there and life was good until the Euros came to displace them.
"Muslim sailors arrived in America from 1178. Columbus mentioned the existence of a mosque on a hill on the Cuban coast," Erdogan said. Oh, sure. Everybody knows that. We also know that the Egyptians couldn't have built the pyramids; that took powerful space aliens.
Erdogan said that Ankara was even prepared to build a mosque at the site mentioned by the Genoese explorer. Wait a minute: Columbus said he saw a mosque on a hill and then Ankara sez they're ready to build one there? What happened to the one Columbus saw?
"I would like to talk about it to my Cuban brothers. A mosque would go perfectly on the hill today," the Turkish leader said. I'm sure the godless commie Cubeheads would be just tickled to be colonized by Moslems.
History books say that Columbus set foot on the American continent in 1492 as he was seeking a new maritime route to India. "In fourteen hundred and ninety two
Columbus sailed the the ocean blue.
He had three ships and left from Spain;
He sailed through sunshine, wind and rain.
He sailed by night; he sailed by day;
He used the stars to find his way.
A compass also helped him know
How to find the way to go.
Ninety sailors were on board;
Some men worked while others snored."
A tiny minority of Muslim scholars have recently suggested a prior Muslim presence in the Americas, although no pre-Columbian ruin of an Islamic structure has ever been found. It's entirely probable that there were significant numbers of sailors who "discovered" the New World. For one thing, the Indians of the east coast have features that are much more "Caucasian" than those further west. The theory is that the Indians crossed from Siberia to Alaska. West coast Indians share features with Siberians, for the most part. Paleo-Americans, last time I read up on them, were "Caucasian," which might account for the differences in feature. But so also might significant numbers of Euros and North Africans.
But it doesn't matter if Lief Erickson or Piri Reis or some Carthaginian sailor (I forget his name, too lazy to look it up) did sail to what's now America. It wasn't really a friendly place to settle. Just ask Virginia Dare. Prior to Columbus the discoverers and any attempted settlers didn't have the slight technological advantage over the indigenes that the Spanish had when they followed up on Columbus' discovery. Any Arab or Nordic or Carthaginian settlement would either be wiped out by Powhattans or Iriquois or whomever, or they would go native and intermarry with their neighbors, like the Lumbees and the Seminoles.
In a controversial article published in 1996, historian Youssef Mroueh refers to a diary entry from Columbus that mentions a mosque in Cuba. But the passage is widely understood to be a metaphorical reference to the shape of the landscape. Not that it matters to a Moslem. It's in the same category as the Soviet Union bragging about how a Russian was the inventor of the light bulb, the automobile, and sex.
Not content with that nonsense, according to Ynet, in the same speech the honourable President Erdogan also said:
Erdogan claimed the difference between Islam and Colonialism is that Islam does not convert by force saying, "Converting people by force, by the sword, has never been a part of Islam. Our religion has never been a tool of exploitation."
No comment.
"Those who colonized America for its gold and Africa for its diamonds, now do it in the Middle East for its oil with the same dirty plot," Erdogan continued.
"Allah promised all that to us, and we mean to have it all," he added.
Erdogan also indirectly criticized the Islamic preacher and former imam Fethullah Gulen, who lives in a self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania and is considered an enemy by Turkey.
Gulen is the founder of the Hizmet Movement which teaches an Anatolian version of Islam that derives from a Sunni-Moslem scholar Said Nursi.
The BBC described Gulen as promoting a "tolerant Islam which emphasizes altruism, hard workd and education."
In other words, jihad via the quiet, long march through the institutions.
"Islam is being abused by those who use the Koran for their own interests, by those who open schools abroad," Erdogan said and added that "Latin American Moslems should not hesitate to keep in touch with (Istanbul's Presidency for Relgious Affairs) for their complaints."
Latin America has a network of pro-Gulen schools.
Erdogan also issued criticism of wealthy Moslem oil tycoons for not paying benefits to the poor, called a Zakat, one of the five pillars of Islam.
"And do rich Moslems in the Islamic world pay their Zakat for their oil revenues?" Erdogan rhetorically asked. "Nobody can answer this question positively," he responded.
"Remarking on the position of the river and port, to which he gave the name of San Salvador, he describes its mountains as lofty and beautiful, like the Pena de las Enamoradas, and one of them has another little hill on its summit, like a graceful mosque. The other river and port, in which he now was, has two round mountains to the S.W., and a fine low cape running out to the W.S.W."
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#5
As I understand it, the "Indians" were Chinese, makes more sense than the Muslims, who claim everything, believable or not, no wonder Obama claims to be Muslim, they lie too.
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#6
Muslims discovered America in 1178
Unfortunately for them, once they've explained the principles of Islam to the locals, the later became violent---leaving no survivors.
#8
The Irish monk St. Brendan, five centuries befoe Columbus. But what matters who discovered it first, if they couldn't keep it? As Fred said, the Paleo-Americans settled here first, but they died out for reasons they neglected to record for posterity.
#10
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#12
The implication of Erdogan's claim is that aggressive action to impose Sharia rule on any territory in the Americas would be classified as legitimate defensive jihad.
9/11 or Ft Hood would be acts to defend islamic land against infidel aggressors.
"Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
#15
Erdogan claimed the difference between Islam and Colonialism is that Islam does not convert by force saying, "Converting people by force, by the sword, has never been a part of Islam. Our religion has never been a tool of exploitation."
How many times did they storm Constantinople before taking it by sword?
BTW, the Chinese had invented gunpowder and movable type long before the Euros got their hands on them. Discovery makes no difference if you can't leverage it for practical uses. Just ask Xerox (PARC) who came up with the Graphic User Interface.
#16
The Muslim Columbus was bumptious,
His quarters capacious and sumptuous;
Upon his arrival,
He held a revival
And preached and presented his rump to us.
#23
Yeah, We Muslims did and we got a map to prove it... Hold it up to a mirror and you can see for yourself... We are the center of the universe...We are good at birth certificates, foreign student applications, college transcripts, and any other taqfir items too.
#25
What a lot of ignorant nonsense, Fat Bob Brown9476.
'Coffle' comes from the Arabic ḳāfila, meaning caravan.
'Kaffir' comes from the Arabic kāfir meaning infidel, which derives from kafara meaning not believe.
It took me moments to look it up, which shows the shallowness of your pretended erudition.
But it is for wallowing in salaciousness that your post was spam copped. This is a family site. Cut it out.
#27
Nuklar is a uniquely American English derived from from, the long form you stupid bastards are all going to die very shortly, so help me dawg amen and GTFO
#28
At prayer, the mood becomes gayer
When Muslims espy underwear!
Their eyes roll so drolly:
"The imam's is holey!"
But sometimes a prayer's just a prayer.
#31
The Spanish (who funded Columbus' journey and comprised his force) referred to enemy temples as "mosques" because they had just completed the Reconquista against the Muslims.
Nothing to do with Muslim temples, obviously.
Kind of like how Muslims referred to all the European crusaders as "Franks".
#32
"Converting people by force, by the sword, has never been a part of Islam. Our religion has never been a tool of exploitation."
Erdogan is misleading.
People of the Book were not to be forcibly converted according to Islamic doctrine. But they were to be forcibly subjugated to Sharia in order to 'nudge' them to conversion.
There may have been no compulsion in religion but Sharia has always been a compulsory body of law.
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#37
"Muslim" a Pict word meaning offspring of pigs and demons, worthless for anything but impaled decorations to scare people away. Sadly doesn't work on Romans.
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Istanbul (AFP) - Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Saturday that the Americas were discovered by Muslims in the 12th century, nearly three centuries before Christopher Columbus set foot there.
