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CIA Agent: Don't fly any plane from Amsterdam to Minnesota
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Posted by Icerigger 2006-11-16 11:13|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I live near Minneapolis. It is without a doubt the Smally capitol of the U.S.
Posted by Mike N. 2006-11-16 12:01||   2006-11-16 12:01|| Front Page Top

#2 Mike I'm flying from Minneapolis on Tuesday. That airport gives me the chills. I've often wondered how many of them are sleepers, and you know they are there...

Maybe I'll offer one of their taxi drivers a case of beer! Allen Ackbar.
Posted by Icerigger 2006-11-16 12:05||   2006-11-16 12:05|| Front Page Top

#3 Don't fly to Detroit either. The country's largest mooslim population. Look at this story if you haven't seen it yet:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/16/D8LE7F981.html
Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2006-11-16 12:19||   2006-11-16 12:19|| Front Page Top

#4 Maybe but I think this guy got the story wrong. It would be a warning for flights going to Amsterdam.

Reason: A flight coming from Amsterdam would be low on fuel and a large aluminum body crashing into a building is bad but not going to cuase that much damage. 9-11 worked becuase those flights were Intercontinental flights that had just taken off with nearly Full fuel loads when they hit the Trade Centers. A aluminum gas can empty is no bid deal one full of gas with a spaker is BOMB.

Posted by C-Low 2006-11-16 12:51||   2006-11-16 12:51|| Front Page Top

#5 I would think that if the concern is over baggage handlers he is talking about bombs being brought onto the plane, not the plane being a bomb. Seems to me that a hijacking would require far less from the baggage handlers.
Posted by Mike N. 2006-11-16 13:12||   2006-11-16 13:12|| Front Page Top

#6 Oh, and as a lifelong resident of Minnesota I can honestly say that it's not just Hamsterslam. I would advise against flying to Minnesota from anywhere.
Posted by Mike N. 2006-11-16 13:14||   2006-11-16 13:14|| Front Page Top

#7 [hair-splitting mode]
Actually, gasoline vapor can detonate with the force of dynamite and cause much more damage than a liquid-based fire. Fuel-air bombs are a good example of this.
[/hsm]
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-11-16 13:33||   2006-11-16 13:33|| Front Page Top

#8 Good point Zen. Whenever I weld near a gas tank I make certain it is full. Thems vapors is naaughty!
Icerigger, I took a cab from MSP a couple of weeks ago. He didn't answer when I asked him if we could stop at a liquor store. And yes, I would say that it's almost a gaurantee that sleepers work there. That place is loaded with Smallies. They account for at least 75% of the employees at the stores there and at least 50% of security. It's seriously scary to think about how likely it is that terrorists have infiltrated our shithole airport.
Posted by Mike N. 2006-11-16 13:53||   2006-11-16 13:53|| Front Page Top

#9 Actually, gasoline vapor can detonate with the force of dynamite and cause much more damage than a liquid-based fire.

True. But jet aircraft do not burn gasoline, they burn JetA, a highly refined kerosine. The vapors are dangerous, but not to the same extent gasoline vapors are.

...9-11 worked because those flights were TransIntercontinental flights that had just taken off ...

There, I fixed it for you.


Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-16 14:25||   2006-11-16 14:25|| Front Page Top

#10 Combine this info with the fact that you are flying on an ETOPS aircraft serviced by strike replacement mechanics and .... hey, who needs to drink coffee to stay awake on a trans Atlantic flight. Aren't the ice formations lovely as you pass Greenland?
Posted by tzsenator 2006-11-16 14:33||   2006-11-16 14:33|| Front Page Top

#11 Good point, Mick.

Anecdote: When Boeing was applying for the 777's ETOPS (Extended Range Twin Operations) rating, so it would qualify for transatlantic flight routes, the standing joke was that ETOPS actually stood for; Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-11-16 14:43||   2006-11-16 14:43|| Front Page Top

#12 ETOPS

I flew a 777 from Chicago to Delhi, and back, this year. I couldn't help but be unsettled as I gazed out the window at the bleak and desolate areas we flew over in North Eastern Canada and Greenland.

It sure did look cold, and isolated.

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-11-16 14:57||   2006-11-16 14:57|| Front Page Top

#13 Kstp.com seems to have a bizarre broken video interface. These should work instead.


Direct link to video of Robert Baer on why we should leave Iraq now and breaking Iraq up, dealing with Iran and Syria


Direct link to video of Robert Baer on how Islamic terrorists could put a bomb on a plane from Amsterdam, Paris, or London. He does not say anything about the security at the Minneapolis airport. His concern with regard to Minnesota seems to be that we would never think Minnesota would be a target, and so they would target Minnesota. Baer also gives a warning about the Mall of America being a target.

Posted by Snamble Spaigum6452 2006-11-16 15:10||   2006-11-16 15:10|| Front Page Top

#14 Could his warning be coming to fruition with the Page 1 story on the guy busted in Detroit airport (flew from Nigeria to Amsterdam to Detroit to Phoenix)????? Inquiring minds and all....
Posted by BA 2006-11-16 15:28||   2006-11-16 15:28|| Front Page Top

#15 Mike you are right on! Our airport is a scary place. Worst part about this Thanksgiving, I'm flying from Minneapolis to Detroit! You can bet I'm not going to be served a ham sandwich but I will order some bacon just for fun.

Ah, screw the Samaliiie cabbies. They are in America dickweed deal with it.

The bottom line here is that they are going to hit us again and giving the PC bullschit about the Religion of Pieces, there is nothing us normal Americans can do about it. Got to go Keith Ellision is at the door taking donations for CAIR...
Posted by Icerigger 2006-11-16 15:57||   2006-11-16 15:57|| Front Page Top

#16 Who on earth would want to fly with Northwest? They're still flying 30yo planes.
Posted by Lou 2006-11-16 18:54||   2006-11-16 18:54|| Front Page Top

#17 Shit, that's about as bad as Africa!
Posted by Lou 2006-11-16 18:55||   2006-11-16 18:55|| Front Page Top

#18 Hence the Somali references... ah, it's all coming together now.
Posted by Lou 2006-11-16 18:56||   2006-11-16 18:56|| Front Page Top

#19 The vapor concern is going to be resolved over time. Industry is moving to mil-style OBIGGS systems. True will take time, but, will not be an issue soon.
Posted by bombay">bombay  2006-11-16 21:06||   2006-11-16 21:06|| Front Page Top

#20 Uh oh - iff by NORTHWEST means also NORTHWEST CONTINENTAL, this airlines flies out of Guam to everywhere. PRAVDA > Radics have a plan/scheme to blow up as many as 30 airliners this holiday season. *"LOOK, MA, MY PLANE BLEW UP OVER A BUNCH OF DUTCH HOOKERS, RED-LIGHTED OVER A RED-LIGHT DISTRICT".
Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-11-16 22:16||   2006-11-16 22:16|| Front Page Top

#21 bombay: right on the mark w/OBIGGS reference. but need to convince airline bean counters that the cost / weight / payload loss of said system
outweighs liability of potential in flight explosion. This then re-opens the TWA flight 800 explosion / missle controversy: I work with a former Boeing QA dude who was knee deep in gathering all sorts of records related to Boeing manufacturing / accident / maintenance reports relative to the dreaded center wing box fuel cell. As far as he could tell, all was hunky dory until some non-FAA fed types showed up (the kind with narrow ties, dark glasses and driving the stripped down Fords / Chevvies), then all at once everything sorta disappeared and the miraculous wiring modification kit showed up. Funny how that stuff has all fell off the world's radar.
Posted by USN,Ret 2006-11-16 23:26||   2006-11-16 23:26|| Front Page Top

#22 Good lord, JosephM, I was not expecting that! You most definitely have your moments, sir!
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