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2009-11-05 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by tipper 2009-11-05 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11126 views ] Top

#1 Yup! Republicans and Conservatives should really take advice from the LA Times. /s

Posted by tipover 2009-11-05 01:19|| 2009-11-05 01:19|| Front Page Top

#2 Just as soon as the Democrats dump the Gentry Liberals.

Posted by eLarson 2009-11-05 07:52|| 2009-11-05 07:52|| Front Page Top

#3 ...and trust fund babies.

Posted by Procopius2k 2009-11-05 08:23|| 2009-11-05 08:23|| Front Page Top

#4 The wicked neocons are still around, many of them command Armored Divisions. Many wear a Flag patch on the shoulder of their Uniforms.

These wicked people are often US Marines as well.
When George Bush came into the Division they stood up and cheered.

Do you know WHY Obama never goes to see the US troops, is never shown shaking a soldier's hand...its because when he walks into an auditorium (IF he ever decided to be so stupid) full of US servicemen...he would get dead Silence.

Being a neocon isnt an abstract, it isnt gone bye bye just because its not in the news as much...but its out there by the hundreds of thousands....and its wearing a uniform and carrying a gun and you are sitting drinking your coffee because somewhere rocky and hot the US neocons are saving you ass.

Posted by Angleton9 2009-11-05 08:30|| 2009-11-05 08:30|| Front Page Top

#5 Barry has studied the demographics of the volunteer military. He knows where tho majority of our soldiers come from and how they vote. Why would he waste time with Southerners?

Posted by Besoeker 2009-11-05 08:41|| 2009-11-05 08:41|| Front Page Top

#6 Just as soon as the Democrats dump the Gentry Liberals.

And Kant, and Marx, and critical theory, and black liberation theology, and antisemitism, and their covetous nature.

Posted by newc">newc 2009-11-05 08:44|| 2009-11-05 08:44|| Front Page Top

#7 And the Dhimmicrats need to dump Dances With Czars.

Posted by Black Bart Ebberens7700 2009-11-05 09:34|| 2009-11-05 09:34|| Front Page Top

#8 I am of mixed minds about Neoconservatives, as they embrace both positive traits, like a strong, aggressive foreign policy that seeks to enlarge real democracy; but they also have a severe downside.

This is a willingness to accept a leftist status quo in domestic social policy. Seen in Republican presidents who have powerful foreign policies, yet neglect domestic issues, allowing Democrats and leftists far more power than they should.

Right now, for example, the Neocon domestic policy would be to oppose Obamacare. But if it were to pass, that would be the end of the debate. Obamacare would be written in stone forever, and no effort would even be tried to eliminate it as a failed scheme, even if the Republicans held a 3/4ths majority in both houses and the presidency.

To make matters worse, Neocons are infested with a creepy willingness to abide internationalism, and other such foul conspiracies. They do not seem to grasp that by doing these things, it severely undermines what they struggle for in foreign policy.

Why fight tyrants for real democracy, then cede it to anti-democratic forces just because they throw good cocktail parties? It is self defeating.

Add to this alignments between Neocons and those who do care about domestic issues, but whose theories are so wild as to be unsupportable, like the CATO institute. Yet Neocons embrace such groups at the expense of far more reasoned thinkers.

Put it all together, and the Neocons are wanting.

Posted by Anonymoose 2009-11-05 10:11|| 2009-11-05 10:11|| Front Page Top

#9 The "tea parties" and town hall meetings are essentially libertarian. There is no conservative policy agenda -- only a demand that the government stop trying to run our lives.

Crane makes a cogent observation here. One can argue there is clearly Neo-Con vs. Tea Party conflict. But as with all capital L Libertarians he advocates that adherence to strictly negative rights is the only way to preserve liberty. Standing up for what your for may get you most of the way. However, history has taught us there are times when its necessary to fight what your against.

Posted by DepotGuy 2009-11-05 10:52|| 2009-11-05 10:52|| Front Page Top

#10 or Rocky Mountain northwesterners

Posted by 746 2009-11-05 11:13|| 2009-11-05 11:13|| Front Page Top

#11 The Times has shown the way by dumping conservative subscribers.

Posted by DoDo 2009-11-05 11:48|| 2009-11-05 11:48|| Front Page Top

#12 The "tea parties" and town hall meetings are essentially libertarian.

Libertarians break down into 3 groups: those who think that the Donks aren't liberal enough, those who think that the Reps aren't conservative enough and those who just want to smoke pot. Philosophically, Libertarianism is pretty straightforward, but when you look at who the L's are you see it's nearly impossible to make generalizations. The Donks and Reps also have their internal contradictions, but nowhere near the level that the L's have.

Anyway, the point is that describing the Tea Party movement in terms of any political party is a mistake. They are obviously neither just Donks nor Reps, but they are even more obviously not Libertarian.

You might argue that, by using the word "libertarian" with a little 'l' the author only meant to discuss it as a philosophy. If so then his point is facially incorrect, as conservatism is the only mainstream political philosophy today which even remotely resembles libertarian philosophy.

Posted by Iblis 2009-11-05 11:54|| 2009-11-05 11:54|| Front Page Top

#13 I am a libertarian neocon. I discount the libertarian open borders nonsense and a lot of the neocon domestic spending. However, my neocon beliefs are a bit flexible. I'm a believer in the J curve. Yeah you can make an instant democracy but its gonna be a long tough slog so perhaps a stable dictatorship is better in the short term. Especially as it allows the US to leave before our historically proven 4 year tolerance for a conflict runs out.

Posted by rjschwarz 2009-11-05 14:15|| 2009-11-05 14:15|| Front Page Top

#14 The GOP Should Dump The Neocons

...and here I thought it was the other way around.

Posted by Secret Master 2009-11-05 15:48|| 2009-11-05 15:48|| Front Page Top

#15 Specter, Scuzzyfava, Snowe, Collins, Jeffords. Neo-cons or life long donks in drag?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-11-05 19:01|| 2009-11-05 19:01|| Front Page Top

#16 Taken with salts. It is the LA Times Opinion column. Personally, I think the Trunks stand a better chance of winning in 2010 and 2012 if they look different than the left wing extremist Democrats. Washington is way out of control. Money for Congress is like meth for a speed freak or crack for a crack head.

Posted by JohnQC 2009-11-05 20:12|| 2009-11-05 20:12|| Front Page Top

#17 NS, are you seriously suggesting that Specter, Scuzzyfava, Snowe, Collins and Jeffords strongly support intervention abroad in the cause of freedom?

Posted by lotp 2009-11-05 20:35|| 2009-11-05 20:35|| Front Page Top

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