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2022-10-14 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Who is 'General Armageddon,' Russia's new Ukraine war commander?
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Posted by Skidmark 2022-10-14 00:00|| || Front Page|| [8 views ]  Top
 File under: Tin Hat Dictators, Presidents for Life, & Kleptocrats 

#1 Gloves off. Now the real war begins. Shock & Awe.
Posted by Palermo 2022-10-14 01:24||   2022-10-14 01:24|| Front Page Top

#2 ^ Yes, he is well received by the troops
of Russia. Shock and awe for sure. Wagner and others have done well but now the fresh Russian troops of some 300 thousand are ready to act. Being a lawyer Putin had to follow Russian rule of law that restricted him from going all out in the beginning with only 20,000 Russian forces. He had to balance his efforts also to hold onto support from India and China especially. Low numbers of Russian lives lost was a priority. Contrast with Ukraine losses that have been staggering. That is why we have troops on the ground now as well as several other NATO countries. Yet, we have the time to go into Haiti. We will only hear western media spew its psyops propaganda meanwhile. Western management of this event is as well run as their inflation and energy efforts. Time to clean house in November. Absolutely no holdovers.
Posted by Dale 2022-10-14 08:38||   2022-10-14 08:38|| Front Page Top

#3 A face not even his mother would love... if she knew him.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-14 08:49||   2022-10-14 08:49|| Front Page Top

#4 Those "fresh Russian troops" don't look that fresh to me.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-14 08:51||   2022-10-14 08:51|| Front Page Top

#5 Dale and Palermo are living in an alternate reality, EC
Posted by Frank G 2022-10-14 09:46||   2022-10-14 09:46|| Front Page Top

#6 reality:

Germany: Stockpiling wood in fear of gas shortage
By Mathis Richtmann
Deutsche Welle dw.com

Reality is really really cold:

Germany goes back to coal as energy crisis deepens | Amid an energy crisis, Germany turns to world’s dirtiest fossil fuel
NPR
Sept 27, 2022
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-14 09:58||   2022-10-14 09:58|| Front Page Top

#7 We own a small forest. Bring it on.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-14 10:17||   2022-10-14 10:17|| Front Page Top

#8 Or as Bush said: Got wood?
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-14 10:19||   2022-10-14 10:19|| Front Page Top

#9 And yes FrankG, you're right. Must be a Sliders episode I missed.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-14 10:20||   2022-10-14 10:20|| Front Page Top

#10 Russia gave Germany the choice to continue their economic model and be neutral, or support Ukraine and go into a recession.

Germany chose to support Ukraine. That says a lot about the German character right there. They have lots of allies and while they have a hard decade or less retooling, they have friends. Russia only has toadies... and weak ones at that.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-10-14 10:29||   2022-10-14 10:29|| Front Page Top

#11 ^2/3 of the world population you call toads. You drink too freely from the western cup of propaganda. Reality can be a bitter brew but I chose reality and commonsense. Continue to be coned and believe what you believe. Follow group think. Western manipulation of other nations is no longer accepted. In history this has occurred many times and always at some point ends. When we chose paper money we could print whatever was needed. Overextended with military conflict in many parts of the world (for many years now) eventually exhausts any nation.
Posted by Dale 2022-10-14 11:20||   2022-10-14 11:20|| Front Page Top

#12 Dale, wipe your chin. Still got some Putie spunk on it.

2/3 of the world friends... please. India is only out for India and how has plenty of cheap oil and is cutting back on purchases. China made Putin kowtow to it and he got Jack/shit in return. China pulled back support and still got frozen out of the world chip market so expect them to publicly chew out Russia in the future. They will continue to pull in food and what oil they can as they are dependent on imports to survive as they can't produce enough on their own.

Not exactly friends. More like extortionists taking advantage of a country in distress.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-10-14 11:36||   2022-10-14 11:36|| Front Page Top

#13 China has a choice:

North American and European markets

or

Russia
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-14 12:02||   2022-10-14 12:02|| Front Page Top

#14 #12 Dale, wipe your chin. Still got some Putie spunk on it.

Gotta love that civil, well-reasoned dialogue!
Posted by Thinegum Tholutle9363 2022-10-14 12:53||   2022-10-14 12:53|| Front Page Top

#15 Germany chose to …go into a recession

Try again, mein freund. The word is DEINDUSTRIALIZATION, and it’s obvious to any competent economist or businessman. Germany ads an industrial power is screwed if this war lasts much longer.

Germany faces a looming threat of deindustrialisation
THE ECONOMIST
Sep 11, 2022

Energy Prices Trigger Deindustrialization In Germany
OilPrice.com
Aug 19, 2022 9:30 AM CDT

German factories are struggling to cope with soaring energy costs, which may prompt many to leave the country for a cheaper location, Bloomberg has reported, citing industry sources.

"Energy inflation is way more dramatic here than elsewhere," Ralf Stoffels, chief executive of BIW Isolierstoffe, a silicon parts supplier to a range of industries. "I fear a gradual deindustrialization of the German economy."

Idled plants fuel German angst about de-industrialisation
Florian CAZERES
Agence France Presse
Tue, October 11, 2022

The familiar plume of smoke no longer billows from one of the two chimneys at ArcelorMittal's massive steelworks in Hamburg's harbour. Soaring energy prices have forced operators to partially idle the plant, adding to fears that Germany's industrial companies, the backbone of Europe's biggest economy, are facing an existential threat. Germany is already bracing for a recession as the energy crisis triggered by Russia's war in Ukraine takes its toll, and the latest government forecasts on Wednesday will likely make grim reading.

Posted by Chaim 2022-10-14 13:07||   2022-10-14 13:07|| Front Page Top

#16 #8 Or as Laura Bush said: Got wood?
Or as W said, Got wood if you got bush!

Please pay me 500 Deutsche marks for that joke.
Posted by Thinegum Tholutle9363 2022-10-14 13:13||   2022-10-14 13:13|| Front Page Top

#17 "fresh Russian troops" lol , I've seen quite a few who looked to be at least in there 60's .
Posted by Chris 2022-10-14 13:13||   2022-10-14 13:13|| Front Page Top

#18 give me 500 Deutsche marks

Heh. You’ll take 1/2 a hectare of Deutsche Wald and like it. It’s a scarce resource, after all

How to Rescue the German Forest

It’s in the blut, so to speak:

“Der Deutsche Wald" (The German Forest) has special significance for the country's sociocultural identity. It is the backdrop to historical and to national myths and a metaphor for Germanic culture. It became the landscape of longing in Romantic poems, fairy tales, and legends since the beginning of the 19th century. And in Nazi ideology, the motif of the "German forest" had its place in propaganda comparable to "blood and soil.”

Posted by Chaim 2022-10-14 13:23||   2022-10-14 13:23|| Front Page Top

#19 #11 ^2/3 of the world population you call toads

Actually, Dale, it’s 80% of the world’s population that agrees with Macron, and Musk, and Trump that the US should resume negotiations.

As has been pointed out here, Trump and Musk are just following US public opinion.

Two-thirds of Americans agree with this approach — including over two-thirds of Biden’s own party and nearly two-thirds of Republicans.
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-14 13:30||   2022-10-14 13:30|| Front Page Top

#20 Germany faces a looming threat of deindustrialisation

This is one of the few times I will agree. Germany's auto industry most likely will move overseas and their petrochemical industry will be lost, most likely forever. Other heavy industry will be shuttered for 6+ months and will then be spun up again at a far lesser rate than before.

Germany and its allies will find a way through, but Germany is in for a good chunk of years of pain. But remember, they chose this instead of being subservient to Russia.

For the short term they will have suck. Long term I think it will be beneficial getting off the Russian energy tit.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-10-14 13:33||   2022-10-14 13:33|| Front Page Top

#21 "Wo aber Gefahr ist, wächst das Rettende auch." (Hölderlin)
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-14 14:40||   2022-10-14 14:40|| Front Page Top

#22 A slight correction it seems 300 thousand troops was Russian military plus the 70 thousand volunteers. The next few days will be very active times.This information I heard presented by Scott Ritter as I recall.
Posted by Dale  2022-10-14 15:19||   2022-10-14 15:19|| Front Page Top

#23 Lord Vader always has the force with him...and a cool theme tune

Putin only has a squeaky red coloured toy on his desk... and many memes riding bears
Posted by Rupert The Bear 2022-10-14 15:28||   2022-10-14 15:28|| Front Page Top

#24 Dale Chaim and Palermo, are they the same propaganda bot?
Posted by Chealing Chomotle4158 2022-10-14 15:35||   2022-10-14 15:35|| Front Page Top

#25 Dude, deindustrialization means there won’t be a “long-term.” It’s not a recession. It’s a permanent and significant decline in living standards, wealth, power and influence.

The Germans won’t stand for such foolishness from their leaders. Their government will fall just as Boris Johnson’s did, and the Germans will join the majorities in the US, France, Italy, Hungary, Czechia and elsewhere who want the US to negotiate in earnest and end this foolish war.

Negotiate now.
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-14 15:38||   2022-10-14 15:38|| Front Page Top

#26 Cheating, Fuckbeard and Shartface are the same bot
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-14 15:40||   2022-10-14 15:40|| Front Page Top

#27 Come to think of it, Cheating, Fuckbeard and Shartface could be the name of Hillary Clinton’s law firm (with Marc Elias as the 4th partner)
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-14 15:43||   2022-10-14 15:43|| Front Page Top

#28 What's there to be negotiated?
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-14 15:49||   2022-10-14 15:49|| Front Page Top

#29 ^ Zelensky knows. Ask him. So do his puppet masters.

Zelensky was close to a deal with the Russians in early April of this year, and then the Biden fools intervened, suited up their moronic messenger boy Boris Johnson and sent him to Kiev and put the kibosh on the peace talks.
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-14 15:57||   2022-10-14 15:57|| Front Page Top

#30 I ask you again: What's there to be negotiated?
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-14 15:58||   2022-10-14 15:58|| Front Page Top

#31 Looking for fresh meat...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1580947532712013826
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-14 16:06||   2022-10-14 16:06|| Front Page Top

#32 What’s to negotiate

You’re joking, right? You do realize, don’t you, that the Ukrainians rejected Minsk II, which in retrospect was a far better deal than anything the Ukrainians can hope to achieve now.

Still, reconstruction of Ukr offers the mother of all Grifts to thieves and corruptocrats like Zelensky, the Bidens and the Wall Street crowd, so provision #1 below is enough to get the deal done. It’s all that matters to these characters. Buy them off, basically:

1 Ukraine’s reconstruction => Russia pays for it ($500 billion) and US hedge funds, Pelosi, Biden et al get sweetheart deals like the ones that the Biden Crime Family scored from Iraqi “Reconstruction” and from Hunter’s trips in Air Force Two.

Other terms— basically borrowing from and adding to the Minsk Accords:
2 Ukraine’s security => Russia guarantees (DMZ established)
3 Russia’s security => US guarantees (no more NATO expansion, no more threats to Crimea, withdrawal of all YS and NATO forces from Ukraine)
4 Plebiscites in the four eastern regions supervised by Israeli and Indian election experts
5 Neutrality for Ukr. => post-plebiscite remainder of Ukraine becomes permanently neutral like Austria, can never join NATO or
Posted by Gomez Flaiper4872 2022-10-14 16:16||   2022-10-14 16:16|| Front Page Top

#33 Negotiate now.

Leave Ukraine or you end up in the stone age. Take it or leave it.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-10-14 16:23||   2022-10-14 16:23|| Front Page Top

#34 And if you don't take it, the Russian people will end up in the dustbin of history by the end of the century.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-10-14 16:24||   2022-10-14 16:24|| Front Page Top

#35 Yes, US & NATO out of Ukr. now
Posted by Gomez Flaiper4872  2022-10-14 16:25||   2022-10-14 16:25|| Front Page Top

#36 I'll go with this smart lady
Posted by European Conservative 2022-10-14 16:28||   2022-10-14 16:28|| Front Page Top

#37 Ukraine’s reconstruction => Russia pays for it ($500 billion) and US hedge funds, Pelosi, Biden et al get sweetheart deals like the ones that the Biden Crime Family scored from Iraqi “Reconstruction” and from Hunter’s trips in Air Force Two

Excellent idea.

And there’s a worthy precedent. That’s basically how the Russians put an end to Chechen terror. Pound the shit out of them and then line their pockets with tons of gold.

Buy them off. Biden will jump at it, so will Zelensky and his master Kolomoisky
Posted by Chaim 2022-10-14 16:29||   2022-10-14 16:29|| Front Page Top

#38 Von der Leyen is an even smarter lady. Go for the gelt!


EU stonewalls over von der Leyen’s role in multibillion-euro Pfizer vaccine deal
European Court of Auditors accuses Commission of refusing to release details of how the bloc’s biggest vaccine contract was negotiated.

Buy them off
Posted by Gomez Flaiper4872 2022-10-14 16:56||   2022-10-14 16:56|| Front Page Top

#39 That Finnish PM gave a rather quick answer. I think she was late for your drug test after another one of her parties with her girl friends.
Posted by DooDahMan 2022-10-14 17:48||   2022-10-14 17:48|| Front Page Top

#40 DV, please, be careful what you ask for. I guarantee you won't like the people who are waiting to take the place of Russians. We all might like it a whole lot less when those people get their hands on Russia's nuclear weapons. Likewise, if and when Ukraine joins the European Union, they are likely to experience some consternation when they receive their first batch of immigrantscolonists from Africa and the Middle East. Allan Snackbar!


Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-14 18:38||   2022-10-14 18:38|| Front Page Top

#41 I understand that you were raised to regard Russians as the enemy. That was because the Soviet Union's communist ideology ordained the spread of communism all over the world. That was the Cold War and thanks to Ronald Reagan, we won. Now the Soviet Union is kaput. Further, whatever you might hear from Joe Biden and other globalists, whatever ambitions Putin might actually harbor, Russia today is far too weak to restore the Soviet Union much less threaten NATO members like Poland or any of the Baltic countries either. Instead, it is NATO that is threatening to expand into the former Soviet republics and thereby pose an existential threat to Russia itself. For this Joe Biden is risking a much wider war with a far greater likelihood of escalation to nuclear holocaust. We need to be more pragmatic about our self-appointed role as the world's police force because there are far too many people in the world who do not accept us in that role. Remember Vietnam? It didn't work out so well. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya...all disasters. In other words, NATO has gone far enough and Ukraine is none of our damn business.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-14 18:56||   2022-10-14 18:56|| Front Page Top

#42 ^ word.

Exceptionally well said, Abu. Thank you.
Posted by Billy B 2022-10-14 19:29||   2022-10-14 19:29|| Front Page Top

#43 DV, please, be careful what you ask for. I guarantee you won't like the people who are waiting to take the place of Russians

It will happen anyway. Ethnic Russians currently make up 87% of the population. Before the war the demographics were collapsing so badly by the end of the century they would only be 55-59% of the population. Hard to suppress and dominate minorities when your population is well on its way to becoming one. We need to think of what will happen to their nukes (if they even work anymore) when the Federation finally comes apart. Any grants to Russia will only embolden them to try this shit again.

Also thank you to the people that self identified that would have supported giving the Sudetenland away in this thread.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-10-14 21:08||   2022-10-14 21:08|| Front Page Top

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