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2014-08-11 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by Bobby 2014-08-11 07:55|| || Front Page|| [11134 views ] Top

#1 Don't worry, All is well, the problem is going away....

White Students Majority Ends; Minority Enrollment More Than Half

Aprender a hablar español, es la lengua del futuro en los Estados Unidos de América.

Posted by Don Vito Bucket1902 2014-08-11 09:17|| 2014-08-11 09:17|| Front Page Top

#2 Most people don't send their kids to an Ivy League school because it takes too long to de-program them after they get out? And it's a waste of good money?

Posted by JohnQC 2014-08-11 10:01|| 2014-08-11 10:01|| Front Page Top

#3 We have contracted the training of our leadership class to a set of private institutions

Which is not a whole lot different than the French, Japanese, or the Germans. Unfortunately, we have ended up with the efficiency of the first, the group-think of the second, and the mentality of the third.

Posted by Pappy 2014-08-11 10:31|| 2014-08-11 10:31|| Front Page Top

#4 Over rated. Running on their name. Only current currency is the 'good old boy' network they offer. If the collapse of the 'ruling' caste occurs, will be a deficit rather than an asset on a resume.

how we can dismantle it

Ask GM. In the 50s, how would 'I was an executive at GM' play versus the 10s 'I was an executive at GM' as value in the job market? Let an open market place do its job. The problem ultimately isn't the institution as much as the 'good old boy' network.

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-08-11 10:37|| 2014-08-11 10:37|| Front Page Top

#5 Poor Professor, socialist drinking his own kool aid. Ivy League College is not a right. It is a luxury, and with most luxuries it is expensive. It is reserved for those that can pay, life is not fair, again, we are not socialist. In an attempt to make college level education available to those that are willing to work hard for it, our nation built land grant schools in every state. For undergraduate degrees some state provide a much better education. For example: your kid is a top 5% brain and you can afford to get him into MIT. Compare the education. At MIT he will be a middle of the road student, he will go so far in debt he will not be able to afford a masters. He will graduate with an MIT degree, that's prestigious, and his education will be all that he puts into it. His classes will be taught by grad students, not professors. He will be, for MIT, an average student. Or, send him to a good Land grant school, ASU for example. He will go to the Advanced Placement school called Barret college. He will have a personal adviser, he will take AP classes, get special attention, and a far better education. He will also be able to afford, or his parents will, to go after his masters. This is my view on undergraduate degrees. Masters and PHD are another story.

Posted by 49 Pan 2014-08-11 11:13|| 2014-08-11 11:13|| Front Page Top

#6 Congratulation Americans, you have achieved Mandarinate.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-08-11 11:30|| 2014-08-11 11:30|| Front Page Top

#7 So g(r)omgoru, you are saying Americans have reached a point of Marination.

We have been soaking in a seasoned, often acidic, liquid before being cooked by the likes of a William Deresiewicz.

Well us regular folks know we are cooked the only problem is William Deresiewicz is over cooked.

You could say he's like Well....

Done !

Posted by Omoluter Stalin3979 2014-08-11 11:45|| 2014-08-11 11:45|| Front Page Top

#8 How much influence do you have over your child at 2? At 5? At 11? At 17?

So why do these ivory tower toffs think they have any lasting influence over an 18 year old? By the time they are 30, exposure to the real world has erased whatever influence the toffs had. I speak from personal knowledge.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2014-08-11 11:58|| 2014-08-11 11:58|| Front Page Top

#9 The basic problem here is the notion that this nation has a "leadership class" at all. Those who like to fancy themselves as the "best and the brightest" tend to cluster together & now they are self-perpetuating. The entire world is now in the process of learning that the "best and the brightest" -- ain't.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2014-08-11 12:22|| 2014-08-11 12:22|| Front Page Top

#10 Student debt in the Ivies isn't much of an issue: Despite the hefty sticker price associated with all Ivy League institutions, estimated yearly costs are actually quite affordable. In fact, Ivy Leaguers graduate with less debt than their peers who attended less prestigious schools. How? Turns out healthy endowment funds play a huge role in aiding low-income, middle-income and even upper-income students with tuition costs. Score!

According to statistics from U.S. News & World Report, many of the best colleges in the county are relative steals for the lucky few who earn admission. For example, Princeton University students graduate with about $5,096 of debt for all four years – the lowest sum for alumni leaving a national university with debt. Amy Laitinen, a former White House education adviser now at the New America Foundation, said, "Folks look at the sticker price and assume that's what everyone is paying. The truth is that the more elite schools have more resources." Resources -- i.e, scholarship funds and outright grants to students who don't have their own access to funds.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2014-08-11 12:28|| 2014-08-11 12:28|| Front Page Top

#11 "a lot of young people have written to ask me, to avoid becoming out of touch and entitled? "
Seriously?? College students who are concerned about becoming "out of touch and entitled" - why would they bother applying to Ivies anyway? Are they that clueless?

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2014-08-11 12:32|| 2014-08-11 12:32|| Front Page Top

#12 Perhaps the author is unaware that a first-rate education can be gotten at a good many state schools and other non-Ivies, just by getting into the school's honours program. Many of the professors teaching those classes are Ivy-credentialed, just as he is, and many are leaders in their fields, which he may or may not be. And many of the students in the honours program are on partial or full academic scholarship, so that first rate education may actually be free to the student. Finally, these are the students who could have gone to Ivy schools, with high school and college resumes about as interesting as their Ivy competitors. See ya at HBS, suckas!

Posted by trailing wife 2014-08-11 12:44|| 2014-08-11 12:44|| Front Page Top

#13 Whatever real benefit may be from graduating from an Ivy League school, IMNSHO, would mostly be from networking with others of that "class".

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2014-08-11 13:37|| 2014-08-11 13:37|| Front Page Top

#14 Really, this is news to the poor benighted author? It's about what my parents were telling me when I was looking at going to college. All the Ivies and their west-coast equivalents were good for was the prestige of having gone to them, and access to the grad network. You'd have a better change of getting a solid education at a community college and a state school, assuming you were going to seriously apply yourself.

And they were right - I had a couple of wonderful teachers at the local community college. One was so riveting a lecturer that people who weren't actually in the class sat outside his classroom (which was always jammed) just to listen. And for Cal State Northridge, IIRC, every class was taught by a full professor, and none of them stand out for being one of those huge lecture hall affairs with a body count in the hundreds.

Nope, the classes that I remember best usually had about about 20-35 students, day to day. (More at midterms and finals, though.)I certainly can't claim to have had a prestigious education, but it certainly served me well, AND without a smidgeon of student debt. I can't recall ever feeling intellectually unequal in any company or social occasion ever since - on-line or in meatspace.

Posted by Sgt. Mom 2014-08-11 15:53|| http://www.ncobrief.com 2014-08-11 15:53|| Front Page Top

#15 I can't recall ever feeling intellectually unequal in any company or social occasion ever since - on-line or in meatspace.

Never married eh ?

Posted by Besoeker 2014-08-11 16:01|| 2014-08-11 16:01|| Front Page Top

#16 I can't recall ever feeling intellectually unequal in any company or social occasion ever since - on-line or in meatspace.
Sometimes it's not what you know, but who you know. This explains a lot about our "leadership class".

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2014-08-11 16:28|| 2014-08-11 16:28|| Front Page Top

#17 Through an unfortunate series of events, I escaped, Besoeker. Not entirely unscathed by the experience, but it was a close-run thing. ;-)

Posted by Sgt. Mom 2014-08-11 16:44|| http://www.ncobrief.com 2014-08-11 16:44|| Front Page Top

#18 One thing I have learned from my readings of history -- how many of the "leading class", the best and the brightest, wind up failing their followers and leading the whole kit and kaboodle right off cliffs to their mutual destruction. If it weren't such a regular and tragic occurrence, it would be -- almost humorous.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2014-08-11 17:17|| 2014-08-11 17:17|| Front Page Top

#19 At #18. Shuffling along in the middle of the pack with a faded name tag, I've long believed mediocrity has it's rewards.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-08-11 17:58|| 2014-08-11 17:58|| Front Page Top

#20 Something, something Roman Haruska, G. Harold Carswell.

Posted by Shipman 2014-08-11 19:41|| 2014-08-11 19:41|| Front Page Top

#21 Shuffling along in the middle of the pack with a faded name tag

"Don't be first. Don't be last. And never volunteer".

Posted by SteveS 2014-08-11 22:52|| 2014-08-11 22:52|| Front Page Top

#22 I can't help but thinking if Ebola had taken out Harvard Biz school back in the 60s the world would be a much better place today.

Posted by 3dc 2014-08-11 22:55|| 2014-08-11 22:55|| Front Page Top

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19:41 Shipman
19:32 Si vis pacem para bellum
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