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2005-07-17 Iraq-Jordan

Iraqi muslin blogger says the Quran may be the problem

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Posted by mhw 2005-07-17 10:55|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Can you recommend an online resource to find out more about what these two sects have done?

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-17 11:32|| 2005-07-17 11:32|| Front Page Top

#2 The Ismaili sect gave rise to the Hashishin (the original "Assassins"), whose primary tactic was to kill Sunni leaders in as public a place as possible - usually at Friday prayers.

Do we really want Moslems to take that sect as an inspiration?

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-17 12:19|| 2005-07-17 12:19|| Front Page Top

#3 The Ahmadiyya Moslems seem to distinguish themselves by debating the finality of their prophet.

BUT do they reject taqiya, jihad, and sharia? Otherwise I don't see much value to us in that sect's hair-splitting difference.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-17 12:24|| 2005-07-17 12:24|| Front Page Top

#4 Kalle

The best source for knowing about Muslim sects is Google. Just get your spelling right: it is Ismaelis, Ahmadiyas. Check also for the Quadianites. In case you have satellite TV one of those sects broadcasts on HotBird (they are easy to identify: they wear Indian-style turbans instead of Arabic-style)

About Assassins since they killed Sunni Muslim leadersand imams it perhaps a not so bad idea to incite Muslims to imitate them.

Anyway whatever the Ismaelis were on XIIth century since then they have revised their doctrine and no longer practice violence, they don't turn to the nearest mountain for prayers instead of Mecca, treat their women unusally well for Muslims, drink alcohol and I think, don't take the Koran as the true and only holy book (I could be wrong about this).

Posted by JFM">JFM 2005-07-17 12:39|| 2005-07-17 12:39|| Front Page Top

#5 mhw is making an implicit claim that these two sects are somehow better for freedom from Islamofascism. I'd like to see evidence of that. I'm not going to Google all over the net in the vague hope that maybe I'll find something or other. Either there is evidence for the claim that the Ismaili are better for us (e.g. they reject taqiya, jihad and sharia), or there isn't.

I'm willing to learn about them, if I have reason to think it's worthwhile.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-17 15:07|| 2005-07-17 15:07|| Front Page Top

#6 Not all homocidal kooks are Muslims - Tim McVeigh, Jim Jones, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao. The Muslim community does stand apart in its innovation of generating spodedopes via assembly line type effeciency.

Posted by Super Hose 2005-07-17 15:23|| 2005-07-17 15:23|| Front Page Top

#7 The Ismaili sect gave rise to the Hashishin (the original "Assassins"), whose primary tactic was to kill Sunni leaders in as public a place as possible - usually at Friday prayers.

NB that the Hashishin got stoned out of their minds before they went on their murder sprees. Today's jihadis do much the same thing.

Whatever differences you think there are between the Muslims of then and now, there's more similarity than we like to think.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-17 15:31|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-17 15:31|| Front Page Top

#8 RC: NB that the Hashishin got stoned out of their minds before they went on their murder sprees. Today's jihadis do much the same thing.

The assassins of old used to kill political and military leaders. Jihadis slaughter innocents. That's the primary difference. Assassins used to be slow-roasted and flayed to death. Jihadis merely blow themselves up. Big difference.

Posted by Zhang Fei">Zhang Fei 2005-07-17 17:11|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-07-17 17:11|| Front Page Top

#9 let me say first that I don't really consider the Ismaelis and the Ahmayadis to be that great. They each have pluses (the most obvious plus being the fact that they have found a way to abstain from violent jihad by interpreting some verses in the Koran to be time or time/space limited)and minuses. What is important however, is the thought process. Once moslems realize they need to do something about the Koran, it is only a few more steps to realizing that Koran isn't true in the literal 9th century way. This would undercut much of the momentum behind the jihadis. It would also give breathing space for lots of introspection.

Alas, this blogger is only one fellow. I know a number of moslems who feel the same but they are afraid to voice their opinions.

Posted by mhw 2005-07-17 17:23|| 2005-07-17 17:23|| Front Page Top

#10 Waddya mean "may"?

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2005-07-17 20:17|| http://www.ariellestjohndesigns.com]">[http://www.ariellestjohndesigns.com] 2005-07-17 20:17|| Front Page Top

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