Article

2007-06-12 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

How 1967 defined the Middle East - For Dummies

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by Admiral Allan Ackbar 2007-06-12 04:47|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 Nice work, Admiral.

And to think some folks just read the BBC article - without the comments to put it in perspective!

And nice work, Fred! The Burg is back!

Posted by Bobby 2007-06-12 06:24|| 2007-06-12 06:24|| Front Page Top

#2 Cheers, Bobby & yes there is indeed a dearth of civil, well reasoned discourse in the UK, regrettably.

Here is a good explanation of how we can interpret the UN resolution wording (English - not French translation)
"withdraw from territories occupied"
according to the inclusion/exclusion legalistic framework of Al's-Koran.

http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Quran/Contra/qe006.html

Posted by Admiral Allan Ackbar 2007-06-12 07:05|| 2007-06-12 07:05|| Front Page Top

#3 Israel became an occupier.

So, if one was really honest, then a priori the '67 war, it logically follows that both Egypt and Jordan were occupiers. And had been since the failed attempt to destroy Israel in 1948. That they would have remained occupiers if they had not been evicted by Israeli military action as there was no serious political movement domestically or internationally to alter that state at the time.

Sorta like those bloody North Americans occupiers who evicted the German occupiers of Western Europe in the mid 40's. Sad state that. Shoulda stayed on their own side of the Atlantic. The Euros wouldn't have all those problems today. /sarcasm off.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-06-12 07:26|| 2007-06-12 07:26|| Front Page Top

#4 Let's face it the Israeli's failed miserably when it comes to public relations and their trust of the Arabs and because of that they were outmanuevered.

After the 6-day War Israel should have made a decision. (a) Keep the occupied territories and thus expel the Palestinian Arabs immediately (b) PLan for the day they'd give up the occupied territories.

For example they could have built fences to limited movement between the territories and Israel.

They could have renamed Sinai-Gaza to Palestine so that if it went back to Egypt it all went back, otherwise it became the Palestine homeland that could be sealed off.

They could have built homes and such to relocate those living in refugee camps the new Palestinae (Sinai/Gaza) to cut off the source of terrorists and propoganda. They could have forced and convinced Arabs to move to Sinai/Gaza and run the thing.

They could have done the same with specific sections of the West Bank, especially those near to Israel. Convincing Arabs to move out and Israeli settlers to move in so that demographically these areas because Jewish/Christian rather than Arab majorities.

They could have killed Arafat.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I think they overestimated how long the good will of the world would last.

Posted by rjschwarz 2007-06-12 11:52|| 2007-06-12 11:52|| Front Page Top

#5 To understand what is happening between Israel and the Palestinians now, you have to understand what happened in the Middle East war of 1967.

no, you have to understand what happened in the Middle East war of 1948.

Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan 2007-06-12 11:54|| 2007-06-12 11:54|| Front Page Top

#6 The Muslims think that any land that they ever set foot in is theirs.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-06-12 13:44|| 2007-06-12 13:44|| Front Page Top

#7 None of that matters anymore. What matters now is that Palestinians have a very simple choice: accept Israel's right to exist or go to hell.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-06-12 15:15|| 2007-06-12 15:15|| Front Page Top

#8 Let me boil this down for you...

The Jewish Goliath

Posted by Shipman">Shipman 2007-06-12 18:08|| 2007-06-12 18:08|| Front Page Top

23:51 trailing wife
23:45 bigjim-ky
23:44 trailing wife
23:44 bigjim-ky
23:39 trailing wife
23:32 Zenster
23:29 Zenster
23:07 Alaska Paul
23:02 trailing wife
22:57 trailing wife
22:56 Natural Law
22:52 Zenster
22:49 Pappy
22:45 trailing wife
22:36 trailing wife
22:33 Zenster
22:32 trailing wife
22:27 Pappy
22:23 badanov
22:10 airandee
21:41 Natural Law
21:28 Anonymoose
21:27 Angaiger Tojo1904
21:25 Natural Law