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2007-06-19 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

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Posted by anonymous5089 2007-06-19 06:47|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top
File under: Govt of Iran

#1 Is Russia delivering air and ground crews with the MiG-31s? The hardware won't last long without good bioware.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-06-19 07:38|| 2007-06-19 07:38|| Front Page Top

#2 And we are meant to believe Syrian pilots are even a remote match for the Israelis? I expect the Saudis have one of the best equipped paper militaries on Earth; and I would be astonished if they could muster a single battalion with the spine to fight.

The Russians seem awfully good at selling off second-hand goods for fantastic profit. Frankly, good for them.

Posted by Excalibur 2007-06-19 08:58|| 2007-06-19 08:58|| Front Page Top

#3 I don't think 5 MiG-31's will be the terror of the middle east. 90's technology combined with classic russian workmanship. They should wait to see how they fly before they start running their mouths. At $200million apiece even, geesh!

Posted by bigjim-ky 2007-06-19 08:59|| 2007-06-19 08:59|| Front Page Top

#4 The MiG-31 is a serious airplane. It flies so high and fast that even an F-15 is unlikely to intercept it when at speed, while the MiG's missiles have enough range to threaten most aircraft. Unfortunately for Syria, their airbases are vulnerable to attack. A neat exercise would be to determine if the Arrow ATBM system can target it (while over Damascus).

Posted by ed 2007-06-19 09:26|| 2007-06-19 09:26|| Front Page Top

#5 The MIG-31 is fast, and was designed to get in quick, strike from distance and get the hell out fast. However, in such close proximity to Israel that tactic is neutralized since the Israelis can have a nice cruise missile meet the landing MIG-31 since they can track it the entire flight with radar.
Also, unless the Syrians buy advanced standoff munitions, the MIG-31 becomes nothing more than a fast scout or regular bomber.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-06-19 09:59|| 2007-06-19 09:59|| Front Page Top

#6 Oh, and also, the MIG-31 is a crappy dogfighter. Much like the MIG-25. It is fast, but can't turn worth a crap at those speeds. If it slows down to engage, the high performance fighters that Israel have will tear it apart.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-06-19 10:00|| 2007-06-19 10:00|| Front Page Top

#7 A new arms race?

Praps Putain wants to see if US will sell F22's to Israel in response, knowing that they will probably flog off the tech to the Chicoms?

QB7 x R8 check...

Posted by Admiral Allan Ackbar 2007-06-19 10:37|| 2007-06-19 10:37|| Front Page Top

#8 A MiG-25/31 does not dogfight. It only pulls 2-4 Gs depending on fuel state. It flies high and fast, launches missiles, and gets out of there before it comes within engagement range.

Posted by ed 2007-06-19 10:46|| 2007-06-19 10:46|| Front Page Top

#9 I like the Admiral's theory.

Posted by Classical_Liberal 2007-06-19 12:01|| 2007-06-19 12:01|| Front Page Top

#10 I also agree with the admiral. I think Russia can sell the Syrians and Iraqis all the manned aircraft they want. High mark up and no real threat to change the balance of power in the ME. Just be careful with the missile sales. That's a different story.

Posted by Penguin 2007-06-19 12:33|| 2007-06-19 12:33|| Front Page Top

#11 Ruskies prolly just trying to pump the eye dr. and allan's little napoleon up so they'll go get their arses kicked.

The ruskies can then sign contracts to reconstruct the rubble, and reap the windfall profits concomitant with skyrocketing oil prices.

Posted by Lanny Ddub 2007-06-19 16:53|| 2007-06-19 16:53|| Front Page Top

#12 However, in such close proximity to Israel that tactic is neutralized since the Israelis can have a nice cruise missile meet the landing MIG-31 since they can track it the entire flight with radar.

Or a Hellfire-armed UAV.

Posted by mrp 2007-06-19 18:01|| 2007-06-19 18:01|| Front Page Top

#13 The MiG-25/31 (and -29, maybe) were for what was (is?) the PVO, not the VVS. That meant it was an air-defense interceptor, not an all-round fighter.

Very good at take off with little notice, climb quickly, launch missiles, then go back. Not for maintaining cover over an area, escorting attacks, or making attacks itself.

Of course, that is assuming competent (i.e. Russian, Czech, etc.) pilots. You could probably give F-22s to Syria and Israel would still beat them.

Posted by Gary and the Samoyeds">Gary and the Samoyeds 2007-06-19 20:26|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2007-06-19 20:26|| Front Page Top

#14 The MiG-25/31E is NOT an F-15/F-14/F-18 class fighter : it was designed to meet a specific threat {the XB-70 Valkyrie bomber}, and was continued as a high-speed limited range interceptor. It was then modified into a recon aircraft. The balance of power in aircraft will not be shifted by an 8, 10, or 20 plane deal - the Israelis will still have the technology advantage and the superior pilots.
Now if Assad were to completely redo his air force with modern MiGs and Sukhois, then there would be a problem.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2007-06-19 21:51|| 2007-06-19 21:51|| Front Page Top

#15 Here is a good link for the Foxbat's capabilities : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-25.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2007-06-19 21:53|| 2007-06-19 21:53|| Front Page Top

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