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Oregon's illegal immigrants "adjusting" to new driver's license rules

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Posted by gorb 2008-06-13 03:50|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top

#1 I love how the reporter immediately goes to a rip-off used car lot to get a story about how sales are down. It's as if the reporter has some sort of agenda to advance, and he's doing it with this story.

Posted by gromky 2008-06-13 05:55|| 2008-06-13 05:55|| Front Page Top

#2 Two kinds of folks commenting - it's hopeless, we must let anarchy reign, and those to hope to accomplish something positive.

The former must want more Democratic voters.

Posted by Bobby 2008-06-13 06:09|| 2008-06-13 06:09|| Front Page Top

#3 I call BS - illegals don't carry insurance. That's what your "uninsured motorist coverage" is for

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-06-13 06:26|| 2008-06-13 06:26|| Front Page Top

#4 I would like to throw in the odd argument: why do we need driver's licenses at all? Not as ridiculous a question as it sounds.

In Florida, there are so many unlicensed drivers, in the hundreds of thousands, the police have given up doing anything about it. Instead their priority is *bad* drivers, who are just as likely to be licensed as not.

So if safety is not the issue, then what is the purpose of a driver's license? To prevent car theft? In truth, it is only marginally helpful for that.

At least one State now takes fingerprints with any traffic stop. So far that has proven a lot more effective than licensing, importantly, even to determine immigration status.

Last but not least, State DMVs are terribly expensive, inefficient and corrupt. Since States need to issue photo IDs for identification as well, the process would be a lot "cleaner" if they eliminated driver's licensing altogether.

Most people need a photo ID for their daily business, but combining it with a driver's license creates lots of unnecessary problems.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-06-13 08:57|| 2008-06-13 08:57|| Front Page Top

#5 In Florida, there are so many unlicensed drivers, in the hundreds of thousands, the police have given up doing anything about it. Instead their priority is *bad* drivers, who are just as likely to be licensed as not.

Srsly? Maybe Ima can get off the bike then.

Posted by George Smiley 2008-06-13 09:35|| 2008-06-13 09:35|| Front Page Top

#6 "Our sales have dropped by 50 percent...Because they tend to have large families, we stock vehicles specifically for Latino (immigrant) families, like used SUVs."

Oh c'mon now. High gas prices have hit the SUV market nationwide. Get back to us when the sales of Low-Riders with the dingle-ball interiors start to slump.

Posted by DepotGuy 2008-06-13 10:51|| 2008-06-13 10:51|| Front Page Top

#7 "Moose, I'm sorry you have a poor opinion of the DMV and it's function in your State. However not all live on the East Coast and the reasons for the DMV and a VALID drivers license and motorcycle endorsements are legitimate. Sloppy enforcement of the law is not a legitimate excuse. Sounds like oversight is required in Florida if your analysis is correct.

The requirement for proof of ID and residency as required to use a drivers license as a federally recognized ID will in the long term be of great benefit to the US and it's citizens.

Posted by tipover 2008-06-13 11:01|| 2008-06-13 11:01|| Front Page Top

#8 Under the new law, illegal immigrants will not be eligible to obtain, renew or replace an Oregon driver's license.

Well then come on down. Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM) has no problems allowing MVD to issue a drivers license to you with appropriate ~~and properly fabricated~~ papers and 'processing' charges that the local MVD operator will set.

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-06-13 11:22|| 2008-06-13 11:22|| Front Page Top

#9 tipover: Okay, you say their needs are legitimate. But my question is "what needs"?

Remember that a driver's license is supposed to be limited to one thing, driving. Other uses for it are less legitimate, because other forms of ID are just as good.

I mentioned the use of fingerprints, because they are such a good identifier that even banks are now using them for check authentication. I think that in Minnesota(?), the police regularly check your index fingerprint when they pull you over. The computer does the rest, and it takes a lot of subjectivity out of the process.

Why carry a license when you wear one all the time?

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-06-13 12:10|| 2008-06-13 12:10|| Front Page Top

#10 It's an interesting thought - fingerprints instead of ID's. It certainly makes it harder to fabricate - though I'm sure it can be done. But then the current licenses can be doctored as well.

But - in a sense, you are both making the same argument. You still need to go pass a test and (supposedly) prove who you are. Just the actual form of identification would change.

Posted by Sninert Black9312 2008-06-13 12:29|| 2008-06-13 12:29|| Front Page Top

#11 Wish I could afford a new Tahoe. But I'm only a honky, breeder, citizen. That puts me at the bottom of the heap I guess.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-06-13 13:00|| 2008-06-13 13:00|| Front Page Top

#12 So, this is supposed to raise my insurance rates by 10%? That's according to Beth Mora of Santana Ins. agency , a Farmer's affiliate in Keizer, Oregon. I'm insured by Farmers of Oregon. I'm wondering if Beth has taken into account that drunk drivers and illegals are overrepresented in the uninsured driver colliders? Noone knows how many illegals will leave Oregon as a result of this law, but many will. With what I know, it seems possible that we will have fewer uninsured driver collisons. we just don't know.

Posted by Richard of Oregon 2008-06-13 13:22|| 2008-06-13 13:22|| Front Page Top

#13 bigjim-ky, they can afford these big cars because they don't pay for anything else.
The uninsured motorist insurance is already high, they'll probably use this news to raise rates even more.
Wonder how many illegals are voting in Oregon....

Posted by Jan 2008-06-13 15:14|| 2008-06-13 15:14|| Front Page Top

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