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2020-05-09 -Lurid Crime Tales-
A Surprising Figure Is Now Going Under the Microscope Over the Michael Flynn Ordeal
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Posted by Besoeker 2020-05-09 03:10|| || Front Page|| [11138 views ]  Top

#1 I always have my new Keen's purchased and ready before I discard my old Keen's.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-05-09 03:16||   2020-05-09 03:16|| Front Page Top

#2 McBastard. Roast him.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-05-09 09:05||   2020-05-09 09:05|| Front Page Top

#3 McMaster. McChrystal. McRaven.

What did James Bond say? "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's enemy action."
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-05-09 09:07||   2020-05-09 09:07|| Front Page Top

#4 Far bigger than Watergate.
This is stomach-turning.
Posted by Lex 2020-05-09 09:08||   2020-05-09 09:08|| Front Page Top

#5 Ref #3: McMaster. McChrystal. McRaven.

McMaster. McChrystal. McRaven. McLean.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-05-09 09:11||   2020-05-09 09:11|| Front Page Top

#6 Much much bigger, Lex. A couple of bugs in DNC bldg versus this stuff...man, it is mind blowing. And when you see the Dems' response, it is a sign that the political system is dead here. And, oh, how I want to get sick at the sight and sounds of one Adam Schiff.
Posted by Clem 2020-05-09 09:12||   2020-05-09 09:12|| Front Page Top

#7 McLean...lol,. Nice one, B. Nice but also true.
Posted by Clem 2020-05-09 09:13||   2020-05-09 09:13|| Front Page Top

#8 Obama says ‘rule of law is at risk’ after DOJ dropped Michael Flynn case
Posted by Skidmark 2020-05-09 09:21||   2020-05-09 09:21|| Front Page Top

#9 ^ surreal

Destroying / tampering with evidence, setting perjury traps, lying to the President, creating circular "evidence" with planted fake news stories, using foreign agents to spy on US persons = "rule of law"

War is Peace
Slavery is Freedom
Posted by Lex 2020-05-09 09:31||   2020-05-09 09:31|| Front Page Top

#10 "War is the health of the state," -- Randolph Bourne
Posted by Clem 2020-05-09 09:34||   2020-05-09 09:34|| Front Page Top

#11 Add to the above:

Lying repeatedly under oath

Knowingly making false statements repeatedly in FUSA applications

Concealing from superiors information showing the jack of any predicate for an investigation
Posted by Lex 2020-05-09 09:35||   2020-05-09 09:35|| Front Page Top

#12 * FISA
* lack of any predicate
Posted by Lex 2020-05-09 09:36||   2020-05-09 09:36|| Front Page Top

#13 McLean

"I say nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure..."
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-05-09 09:36||   2020-05-09 09:36|| Front Page Top

#14 The problem with getting rid of the CIA and FBI is that you can't leave all those bitter ex employees at a loose end. I think exile would not work. That leaves only liquidation...
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-05-09 09:38||   2020-05-09 09:38|| Front Page Top

#15 FISA = "F*ck You In the sorry A$$"
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-05-09 09:40||   2020-05-09 09:40|| Front Page Top

#16 Hehe
Posted by Clem 2020-05-09 09:41||   2020-05-09 09:41|| Front Page Top

#17 Some 'intelligence communities' have achieved their goal. Others still struggle with the 'will of the people' and democratic processes.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-05-09 09:42||   2020-05-09 09:42|| Front Page Top

#18 A nice summary by the superb Mollie H today that helps remind us why what Zero staged was far worse than Watergate:

"Not only was information on Russia not fully shared with the incoming Trump team, as Obama directs, the leaks and ambushes made the transition chaotic, scared quality individuals away from working in the administration, made effective governance almost impossible, and materially damaged national security.

"When Comey was finally fired on May 9, in part for his duplicitousness regarding his handling of the Russia collusion theory, he orchestrated the launch of a Special Counsel probe that continued his efforts for another two years. That probe ended with Mueller finding no evidence of any American colluding with Russia to steal the 2016 election, much less Trump or anyone connected to him...."
Posted by Lex 2020-05-09 11:47||   2020-05-09 11:47|| Front Page Top

#19 #5 Ref #3: McMaster. McChrystal. McRaven.
McMaster. McChrystal. McRaven. McLean.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-05-09 09:11

I worked around all of the above plus Flynn. I thought McMaster brilliant, but bat-shit crazy at times...kinda of a ADD savant...would be shocked if he was disloyal; McChrystal a self promoter and way in over his head - obviously a back-stabber; McRaven's recent comments surprise me; Flynn is narcissistic and is way too ambitious for someone with such limited skills. McClean, et al - see description for Flynn.
Posted by Tennessee 2020-05-09 11:47||   2020-05-09 11:47|| Front Page Top

#20 Tennessee - seems to be a amiliar pattern with the brass:

McMaster Patton - brilliant, but bat-shit crazy at times...

McChrystal MacArthur - a self promoter and way in over his head - obviously a back-stabber;

McRaven's Wesley Clark's comments surprise me;

Flynn is Montgomery was narcissistic and is way too ambitious for someone with such limited skills.

McClean, Westmoreland, et al - see description for Flynn
Posted by Lex 2020-05-09 11:57||   2020-05-09 11:57|| Front Page Top

#21 Perspective requires distance. "I worked with them" is not a positive in the long term evaluation process...
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-05-09 12:10||   2020-05-09 12:10|| Front Page Top

#22 Sorry, I thought Besoeker's reference to McLean was that little city in Virginia, not a person.
Posted by Clem 2020-05-09 12:12||   2020-05-09 12:12|| Front Page Top

#23 Re #20 there have been hundreds of generals and admirals. The ones you never heard of got most of the heavy lifting done.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-05-09 12:12||   2020-05-09 12:12|| Front Page Top

#24 #21Perspective requires distance. "I worked with them" is not a positive in the long term evaluation process...Posted by: M. Murcek 2020-05-09 12:10

Perspective is. In this case distance does not have anything to with perspective ...other than to cause its loss.

In my world senior leaders and senior operators have a well established reputation. Their rep is set and repeated by those they work with and refined by their peers and subordinates over the years. Their rep precedes them and remains after they leave the room so to say...their mere words can not change their rep, only their actions.

The brief perspective that I related above is a sum of my interactions with each which corroborated the rep that I had previously heard.

Just because some person on Twitter issues a vague one sentence allegation does not change my perspective nor opinion of McMasters...a guy I first heard about while still in Kuwait back in 1991...dude was a genuine war hero to us back then.
Posted by Tennessee 2020-05-09 13:46||   2020-05-09 13:46|| Front Page Top

#25 I'm not on Twitter so it wasn't me.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-05-09 16:29||   2020-05-09 16:29|| Front Page Top

#26 The guy stabbed my President in the back. His actions his words. Quit pissing down my back and saying it's a warm rain.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-05-09 17:40||   2020-05-09 17:40|| Front Page Top

#27  I thought McMaster brilliant, but bat-shit crazy at times

There were those among the NeverTrumpers who advocated going to work for President Trump in order to guide him if they could, and thwart him if he walked off the proper path, as they saw it, all for patriotic love of country. I am willing to accept that General McMaster falls into that camp, which would not contradict Tennessee’s evaluation. That he, according to his Wikipedia page, as National Security Advisor was willing to purge Trump supporters, promote anti-Trump staff, and openly support the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation speaks to his conventional thinking on the political side without impacting his brilliance as a military man.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-05-09 17:58||   2020-05-09 17:58|| Front Page Top

#28 
I wish I knew what fucking military award it was you can get with oak clusters and the right to frame someone, if we have one like that we need to recall all of them and melt them down.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2020-05-09 18:31||   2020-05-09 18:31|| Front Page Top

#29 
Posted by 3dc 2020-05-09 18:46||   2020-05-09 18:46|| Front Page Top

#30 I don't know that it's a good idea for our generals to move into the political arena.

Aside from Ike (and Washington), the results have been generally disastrous.
Posted by Lex 2020-05-09 20:27||   2020-05-09 20:27|| Front Page Top

#31 #26 The guy stabbed my President in the back. His actions his words. Quit pissing down my back and saying it's a warm rain.
Posted by M. Murcek

Where is your proof that McMaster stabbed the POTUS in the back? Specific actions and words?
Other than your gratuitous assertions I haven't seen them...further Trump ain't feeling it either since he has been calling McMaster for advice since he fired Bolton.

Re: Trailing Wife's comment: There is zero proof that LTG McWaster was a "never Trumper" he was on active duty as a three star outside of the NCR in the run up to the election. Re: running off a "pro-Trump" team, I remember Watnick, Harvey and Higgens moving on at different times for different reasons... Harvey was counter to not only McMaster but Mattis as well, Higgens was bat shit crazy too and I imagine that he got on Mcmaster's nerves. Watnick had no real skills or experience and was brought on by Flynn as part of his team.

Steve Bannon (with no real experience other than Brieitbart) was likely intimidated by McMaster which is why he started the smear campaign against him.
Posted by Tennessee 2020-05-09 20:29||   2020-05-09 20:29|| Front Page Top

#32 Anyone surprised at this wasn't paying attention .

Oh wait, it's Red State.

As for war heroism, Benedict Arnold was an American military hero for awhile too.
Posted by charger 2020-05-09 20:35||   2020-05-09 20:35|| Front Page Top

#33 #32 Anyone surprised at this wasn't paying attention .
Oh wait, it's Red State.
As for war heroism, Benedict Arnold was an American military hero for awhile too.
Posted by charger 2020-05-09

A real warrior being disparaged by a keyboard warrior...

But, hey don't tell me, tell Trump, he is the one still calling McMaster asking for advice...IMO Trump must have finally figured out that Steve Bannon was the inexperienced turd in the punch bowl.
Posted by Tennessee 2020-05-09 21:06||   2020-05-09 21:06|| Front Page Top

#34 McCain's boy Lindsey Graham was just on Judge Jeanine's show. Not a fan of hers, but Graham did a lot of tap-dancing when she was trying to get an answer out of him. Gee, what a surprise.
Posted by Clem 2020-05-09 21:18||   2020-05-09 21:18|| Front Page Top

#35 If LTG McMaster was not part of the nefarious network, the current investigation should quickly reveal that and be dropped, especially given, as Tennessee testifies, that he still has the president’s respect as an advisor. And if I am wrong about him I will happily apologize — goodness knows I’ve been wrong often enough in the past.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-05-09 21:47||   2020-05-09 21:47|| Front Page Top

#36 TW - I hope he is clean. If he is not I will apologize as well.
Posted by Tennessee 2020-05-09 22:18||   2020-05-09 22:18|| Front Page Top

#37 McNaster as Shakespeare's Coriolanus

Shakespeare’s Coriolanus is neither a model of conduct nor a horrible example: he is a tragic hero, brought down by his own inherent faults of character, qualities admirable in some circumstances, disastrous in others.

Cicero in his treatise De Officiis, enormously influential during the Renaissance, makes exactly this point, though not specifically about Shakespeare’s character. Greatness of spirit, appropriate “in times of danger and toil,” when not allied with a concern for justice and the common good, becomes barbarism, the wilfulness characteristic of tyrants
Posted by Lex 2020-05-09 22:27||   2020-05-09 22:27|| Front Page Top

#38 Coriolanus: If you have writ your annals true, 't is there, That, like an eagle in a dovecote, I Fluttered your Volscians in Corioles. Alone I did it. Boy! (Coriolanus, Act 5 scene 6) mm

... My rage is gone, And I am struck with sorrow.
Posted by Lex 2020-05-09 22:29||   2020-05-09 22:29|| Front Page Top

#39 A real warrior being disparaged by a keyboard warrior...


Ah yes, we must all worship everyone who ever wore a uniform.

You know, like John McCain, John Kerry and Al Gore.

Ever hear of Eric Ciamarella?

You know who made him a key aide at the NSC?

McMaster.

He also hired Kris Bauman, Hamas sympathizer to work with him at NSC, and tried to hire Linda Weissgold

But we must reflexively avoid holding him to account if he was involved with the coup.

Because he wore a uniform at one time.


Posted by charger 2020-05-09 22:29||   2020-05-09 22:29|| Front Page Top

#40 ^ re Ciaramellius:

CORIOLANUS
Well, I must do 't.
Away, my disposition, and possess me
Some harlot's spirit! My throat of war be turned,
Which choirèd with my drum, into a pipe
Small as an eunuch or the virgin voice
That babies lulls asleep! The smiles of knaves
Tent in my cheeks, and schoolboys' tears take up
The glasses of my sight!

... A beggar's tongue
Make motion through my lips, and my armed knees,
Who bowed but in my stirrup, bend like his
That hath received an alms. I will not do 't,
Lest I surcease to honor mine own truth
And, by my body's action, teach my mind
A most inherent baseness. (3.2.137-150)
Posted by Lex 2020-05-09 22:36||   2020-05-09 22:36|| Front Page Top

#41 McMaster outside of the battlefield = an eagle dragged into the Beltway slime.

A great man brought low by the Swamp.
Posted by Lex 2020-05-09 22:40||   2020-05-09 22:40|| Front Page Top

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