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2015-04-18 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

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Posted by badanov 2015-04-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11136 views ] Top

#1 Where does Obean rank on the list?

Posted by gorb 2015-04-18 00:23|| 2015-04-18 00:23|| Front Page Top

#2 Yes, yes, very pretty. Except, in this particular cases, Russians are the good guys who are defending their country from Tranzi aggression.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-04-18 01:47|| 2015-04-18 01:47|| Front Page Top

#3 Think of Russia as a cake shop with nukes.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-04-18 01:52|| 2015-04-18 01:52|| Front Page Top

#4 I've isolated the cause at para-14. It's the usual culprit:

What naïve American intellectuals say free of charge, the canny Gerhard Schröder, the former German chancellor, says for 250,000 euros a year as a board member of Gazprom, the Russian oil giant. Mr. Schröder, the German father of “Gazprom socialism” — a new subspecies of limousine liberalism — has repeatedly embarrassed Berlin by supporting Russia’s annexation of Crimea.

Posted by Besoeker 2015-04-18 01:59|| 2015-04-18 01:59|| Front Page Top

#5 "And in the last century intellectuals like André Gide, Pablo Neruda and Jean-Paul Sartre all stumped for the Soviet Union as what Lenin allegedly called “useful idiots,” apologizing for its monstrosities long after the rest of the world recognized them."

In the case of André Gide, this is not quite true. He went to the Soviet Union in 1936 and immediately after his return published the disillusioned report "Retour de l'URSS".

Posted by European Conservative 2015-04-18 07:16|| 2015-04-18 07:16|| Front Page Top

#6 "Except, in this particular cases, Russians are the good guys who are defending their country from Tranzi aggression."

Oh really gromguru. I must have missed the part in which Ukrainian troops invaded Russia.

Posted by European Conservative 2015-04-18 07:18|| 2015-04-18 07:18|| Front Page Top

#7 EC ~ Please disregard our resident Putinologist.

Posted by Besoeker 2015-04-18 07:27|| 2015-04-18 07:27|| Front Page Top

#8 I must have missed the part in which Ukrainian troops invaded Russia.

Hardly the only thing you missed.

Besoeker, you really don't see that USA and it's allies (except USA is not the leader but the tranzi Mongo) are the new totalitarian empire bent on imposing its ideology on the rest of the World? While, I might add, gradually but surely, eliminating unreliable elements like yourself within.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-04-18 07:47|| 2015-04-18 07:47|| Front Page Top

#9 ......While, I might add, gradually but surely, eliminating unreliable elements like yourself within. Posted by g(r)omgoru

Well g(r)om, after April 15th [tax day] I'll have agree with this part of your statement.

Posted by Besoeker 2015-04-18 08:09|| 2015-04-18 08:09|| Front Page Top

#10 I'm not kidding Besoeker. IMO, the currently dominant "Western" ideology is the most dangerous ideology ever invented. Compared to what various SJW have are planning, an old fashioned, pragmatic, autocrat like Puti is practically St. Francis of Assisi.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-04-18 08:32|| 2015-04-18 08:32|| Front Page Top

#11 grom has an exceedingly twisted idea of what the word totalitarian means. There's nothing the West is doing that compares with Soviet terror killing millions, Soviet gulags imprisoning millions under extreme conditions, Soviet police state activities, Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, etc. There's also nothing the West does that compares with Nazi concentration camps, Nazi murders of people for being other ethnicities, Nazi police state tactics, Nazi invasion of non-belligerents, Nazi widespread use of slave labor, etc.

Totalitarianism has an actual meaning and to apply it so randomly cavalierly diminishes the horrible suffering of its Soviet and Nazi victims.

Posted by Odysseus 2015-04-18 09:04|| 2015-04-18 09:04|| Front Page Top

#12 Odysseus, you're an ignoramus. And stupid to boot.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-04-18 09:08|| 2015-04-18 09:08|| Front Page Top

#13 The quality of your point of view and mode of discourse is shown by your inability to use facts or logic, but are only capable of name calling.

Posted by Odysseus 2015-04-18 09:20|| 2015-04-18 09:20|| Front Page Top

#14 g(r)omgoru, it would be helpful if you described what you mean by the currently dominant "Western" ideology, so that the discussion could be around that instead of insults in all directions.

Posted by trailing wife 2015-04-18 09:23|| 2015-04-18 09:23|| Front Page Top

#15 ^Amen

Posted by Frank G 2015-04-18 09:23|| 2015-04-18 09:23|| Front Page Top

#16 Not name calling, description.

It's name calling and it's enough. Make your points without insulting our fellow readers.

Don't make me come up there.

AoS

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-04-18 09:24|| 2015-04-18 09:24|| Front Page Top

#17 No matter how one defines the currently dominant Western ideology it can't possibly be described as totalitarian. Perhaps grom doesn't only admire Putin, but also Stalin, Beria, and Yezhov.

Posted by Odysseus 2015-04-18 09:37|| 2015-04-18 09:37|| Front Page Top

#18 Totalitarianism = thought control.

TW, I suggest you read this.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-04-18 09:46|| 2015-04-18 09:46|| Front Page Top

#19 "Thought control" = what anyone not having a man crush on Putin and Russian imperialism is subject to.

Posted by Odysseus 2015-04-18 10:13|| 2015-04-18 10:13|| Front Page Top

#20 The point grom is making is that while we are told we are spreading democracy and self-determination, what is actually rising is a feudalism and oligarchy mix.

Posted by ed in texas 2015-04-18 11:17|| 2015-04-18 11:17|| Front Page Top

#21 Voltaire. He had a decidely sharp opinion, and likely looked at Russia as an escape from the fingernail pulling he saw coming in France.

18th century Russia is like talking about 18th Britain.

Time and Place.

And everything I used to point and laugh at as a kid is happening in triplicate.

Posted by swksvolFF 2015-04-18 13:25|| 2015-04-18 13:25|| Front Page Top

#22 Inspirational messages for you, but not TW

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-04-18 14:33|| 2015-04-18 14:33|| Front Page Top

#23 FFS, grom. Russia is nothing if not straight white men!

Posted by badanov 2015-04-18 14:36|| http://www.chriscovert.net 2015-04-18 14:36|| Front Page Top

#24 Now badanov, you disappoint me. Somebody with that name should know Russians have a significant Asian admixture (going even back, before Mongols). Although, come to think of it, Asians are not exactly popular with cognitive elites either.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-04-18 14:52|| 2015-04-18 14:52|| Front Page Top

#25 Russians will tell you that their particular brand of imperialism is based on their language, and their past, especially as it applies to WWII, and specificaly as it applies to Soviet communism.

If you yourself had seen fotos of Russian divisional commander just before Barbarossa in June, 1941, you could only conclude that Russians were mostly white male.

And the overwhelming majority of them died, along with their charges by the millions, fighting for their society and against German imperialism.

Now, another generation fights for Russian imperialism.

But, I don't want to get into a pissing match over race, or ethnicity with you or anyone else, but your post about the hasthags of unhappy people were neither relevant, nor necessary.

Posted by badanov 2015-04-18 15:03|| http://www.chriscovert.net 2015-04-18 15:03|| Front Page Top

#26 Well, have it your way---it's your country.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-04-18 15:19|| 2015-04-18 15:19|| Front Page Top

#27 Guilt only works if we're married, and I don't see any nuptials in our future.

Posted by badanov 2015-04-18 15:30|| http://www.chriscovert.net 2015-04-18 15:30|| Front Page Top

#28 G's mideast insights are welcome in my book. The pro-Russian chauvinisim and Putin Apologia? Not so much.

Posted by Frank G 2015-04-18 20:21|| 2015-04-18 20:21|| Front Page Top

#29 Gaaad People, why are you getting your collective panties in a bunch ?

Russia will be Russia, don't you know, nothing changes, only the name of the leader.

Grow up !

Posted by Crorong the Obscure7387 2015-04-18 21:50|| 2015-04-18 21:50|| Front Page Top

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