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2007-04-15 Olde Tyme Religion

The Islamic Nation's Problem is That Muslims Do Not Work.

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Posted by Brett 2007-04-15 14:04|| || Front Page|| [11140 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Formatting's farked, but it's easy enough to follow.

Watching archaeology shows on "Discovery", I've been struck by a couple of really massive engineering projects from ancient times that, apparently, the modern Arabs have no interest in emulating. I'll give the Egyptians credit for the Aswan Dam, but there was another dam, in Yemen, that was built 2-3,000 years ago. It turned a patch of the desert into an oasis that supported a massive city.

Today, there are only ruins of both the dam and the city. The locals apparently get a bit snippy (or is it "snipey"?) when outsiders come around to investigate the ruins.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2007-04-15 17:39|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2007-04-15 17:39|| Front Page Top

#2 I'll give the Egyptians credit for the Aswan Dam,

I'll give the crdit to the Russians.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2007-04-15 18:06|| 2007-04-15 18:06|| Front Page Top

#3 Brett, your highlighting tags got away from you there.

We don't even produce a single nail in any of these cars.

Sorta gets to the heart of the problem right there. Cars arent built with nails. Qaradawi is one of Islams most respected scholars and he thinks cars are built with nails.

The income of the entire Arab world, including the oil-producing countries, does not reach the that of a European country, such as Spain. Spain let alone Germany, France, Britain, or Italy. Just Spain, which is at the bottom of the list of industrial countries... The income of the entire Arab world does not reach it. How come?

It is an intense irony that Qaradawi should cite Spain, whose rigid interpretation of Catholic doctrine prohibited loans as usury, as with Islam, and stifled the sort of industrial revolution that swept Protestant Northern Europe. Far be it from this idiot to notice such a glaring similarity. Islam's strangulation of MME (Muslim Middle East) economic growth is a direct parallel of Spanish industrial stagnation.

As to income, theres plenty of wealth that flows into the MME. There just isnt any trickle down in terms of capital investment and industrial development. For Qaradawi to bemoan lack of personal income without recognizing how the vast majority of petro-dollars never make it out of government hands is sheer obfuscation. The endemic corruption typical of almost all Islamic cultures is to blame and Koranic doctrine further entrenches that eliteist entitlement on a daily basis.

Doing things professionally is a religious duty. The Prophet said that Allah ordered to excel in everything. He imposed excellence and professionalism. Professionalism must be followed in everything. "If you kill, do it properly, and if you slaughter, do it properly." Even when killing, you must do well.

Looks like Islam didnt even get that part right, or else they would have invented nuclear weapons a long time ago. The Western work ethic triumphs once again. About all the Arab world does regarding this is beg us to use our atomic weapons against them. Not the brightest strategy for them to choose.

How come the Zionist gang has managed to be superior to us, despite being so few? It has become superior through knowledge, through technology, and through strength. It ahs [has] become superior to us through work. We had the desert before our eyes but we didn't do anything with it. When they took over, they turned it into a green oasis. How can a nation that does not work progress? How can it grow?

All this from a genocidal terrorist bastard who continues to advocate the Wests destruction. Does this moron sincerely believe that he can go on preaching an unreformed Islam yet manage somehow to obtain the industrious and productive results found in the West? This is a root cause of failure in the MME. They cannot have it both ways. They cannot disallow interest on loans and simultaneously expect foreign investment or growth in the business sector. They cannot place paramount importance on memorizing the Koran and expect such rote learning to produce individuals capable of critical analysis or the independent though needed for invention.

This same asshole insists that free speech be curtailed over something so idiotic as the Mohammed cartoons and still expects that such a constrained society could ever achieve the open exchange of ideas and expansive sort of thought needed for technological breakthroughs.

He is nothing less than the fabled monkey who, in trying to pull forth an apple from a jar, becomes trapped by his own fist clutching the piece of fruit. Qaradawi's unrelenting grip upon the power conferred by Islam's retrograde doctrine leaves him fatally encumbered but he cannot bring himself to admit it. He prefers to go on grasping Islam and its poverty of achievement rather than abandon the select privileges and political station it has brought to him and a bare few others.

Nothing of substance can pass through the narrow conduit of Islamic thought. It channels all energy and dedication into the dry riverbed of theocratic control. Qaradawi is directly responsible for this yet does not blink at bewailing the stillborn fruits of his lifes work. This is Islamic cognitive dissonance writ large. This is what has kept Islam in the stone age for over a millennia. Not so much Koranic doctrine, although it is surely to blame, but more importantly the blind unreasoning irrationality of those like Qaradawi who think that technological and military supremacy can result from practicing a narrow minded and Neanderthal creed like Islam.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-04-15 18:24|| 2007-04-15 18:24|| Front Page Top

#4 The Aswan Dam is Israel's ultimate weapon against an Egyptian invasion. It is the Sword of Damocles hanging over Mubarak's head. He knows Israel can blow the dam, and thus destroy Egypt, and believes they will do it before they submit (I choose that word very precisely) to defeat by Egypt. When they say 'Never again', they mean it, at least for this generation (after that - I am not so sure.)

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-04-15 18:26|| 2007-04-15 18:26|| Front Page Top

#5 Sheesh. Sorry about that. forget ONE little slash. Thanks for the comments, though.

Posted by Brett 2007-04-15 19:08|| 2007-04-15 19:08|| Front Page Top

#6 The end of "progressive" Islam can be traced to the school of a single Persian philosopher, named "al-Ghizali" in the late 12th and early 13th Centuries (the spelling is important, as there are other Muslim philosophers with similar names).

As a reaction to Persia being invaded, he promulgated through his school the idea that all knowledge outside of the Koran and its commentaries should be ignored, as it will only lead the faithful astray. This was accompanied by intense xenophobia and paranoia.

And though it took quite a while for his philosophy to spread across the Muslim empire, wherever it took hold, science, study and innovation died. And stayed dead.

The last real outpost of learning was in Spain and Morocco, where some of their libraries were captured by the Christians when the Muslims were thrown out (for the time being), by Ferdinand and Isabella.

But the further away from Persia Muslims got, the less they appreciated al-Ghizali. To this day, Moroccans and Egyptians still think of themselves as a cut above the other Muslims.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-04-15 19:18|| 2007-04-15 19:18|| Front Page Top

#7 Fixed. Amazing what one poor little dropped tag can do, ain't it...

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-04-15 19:20|| 2007-04-15 19:20|| Front Page Top

#8 Two words....Soylent Muslim. A Muslim Perfect food for Muslims.

Posted by Silentbrick">Silentbrick 2007-04-15 20:10|| 2007-04-15 20:10|| Front Page Top

#9 can be traced to the school of a single Persian philosopher, named "al-Ghizali" in the late 12th and early 13th Centuries

IIRC he said that Mathematics was haram since it so entralled men that they looked away from Allah and the Koran.

Posted by John Frum 2007-04-15 20:10|| 2007-04-15 20:10|| Front Page Top

#10 We don't even produce a single nail in any of these cars.

Cars have nails? Well, Morgans, maybe. Like Zenster says, he doesn't seem to even have a decent knowledge of how cars are constructed.

What he should have said: "Our countries are the main source of the liquid gold this technology runs on, and we're too lazy, disorganized, and fatalistic to keep our corrupt rulers from stealing all the profits instead of using them to improve our countries' economies and education systems."

Posted by KBK 2007-04-15 20:22|| 2007-04-15 20:22|| Front Page Top

#11 KBK-LOL. But think of the backfire that a nail-built engine would produce-who needs bombs to strew nails? Now THATt's Muslim-built-tough!

"They cannot place paramount importance on memorizing the Koran and expect such rote learning to produce individuals capable of critical analysis or the independent thought needed for invention."

Bingo, Zenster. Love the monkey analogy, too-seems fitting, given the symbolism of the term "monkey" in Islamic textbooks.

Posted by Jules 2007-04-15 21:38|| 2007-04-15 21:38|| Front Page Top

#12 Well, Morgans, maybe.

You bastid, KBK! I was going to insert that arcane automotive disclaimer but didn't want to be any more obtuse than I already am.

Love the monkey analogy, too-seems fitting, given the symbolism of the term "monkey" in Islamic textbooks.

Thank you, Jules. The analogy paid off on so many levels it was nigh well irresistible. Extending the jar comparison further to "the narrow conduit of Islamic thought" and thereafter "into the dry riverbed of theocratic control" was gratifying in the extreme. I'm glad that you enjoyed it. Qaradawi is one of terrorism's prime movers and needs to be capped stat.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-04-15 21:54|| 2007-04-15 21:54|| Front Page Top

#13 I've observed this lack of achievement in non-arab moslems and it's an interesting phenomena. In part, it's subsuming the individual to the group where any individual effort or innovation is frowned on.

Its especially interesting when in SE Asia their chinese neighbours who have an apparently (superficially?) similar strong attachment to family and clan work very hard are often extremely succesful.

Posted by phil_b 2007-04-15 22:31|| 2007-04-15 22:31|| Front Page Top

#14 --In part, it's subsuming the individual to the group where any individual effort or innovation is frowned on.---

Like some unions?

Posted by anonymous2u 2007-04-15 23:09|| 2007-04-15 23:09|| Front Page Top

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