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2009-01-20 -Short Attention Span Theater-
Surveyed scientists agree global warming is real
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Posted by gorb 2009-01-20 06:32|| || Front Page|| [11138 views ]  Top

#1 The debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the funding process and the warm feelings that it endows.
Posted by Spike Uniter 2009-01-20 07:47||   2009-01-20 07:47|| Front Page Top

#2 "I agree. Can I have my grant, now?"

/grant whores
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2009-01-20 08:03||   2009-01-20 08:03|| Front Page Top

#3 I wonder.... how many climatologists existed prior to Global Warming.

Would they even exist without Global Warming?
Posted by CrazyFool 2009-01-20 08:40||   2009-01-20 08:40|| Front Page Top

#4 Human-induced global warming is real, according to a recent U.S. survey based on the opinions of 3,146 scientists. However there remains divisions between climatologists and scientists from other areas of earth sciences as to the extent of human responsibility.

As meaningful as asking proctologist his 'expert' opinion on a particular brain surgery protocol.
Posted by Procopius2k 2009-01-20 08:44||   2009-01-20 08:44|| Front Page Top

#5 Study from Univ of Ill- CHICAGO == stuff the ballot box..
Posted by Tom- Pa 2009-01-20 08:49||   2009-01-20 08:49|| Front Page Top

#6 If Global warming is real, why is it so goddamned cold?
Posted by bigjim-ky 2009-01-20 09:11||   2009-01-20 09:11|| Front Page Top

#7 Importantly, even if you distinguish between weather and climate, climate data is almost exclusively provided by three source providers: NASA and its subsidiary GISS, and NOAA. And all three are not just agenda driven, but reliant on each others data. An inc*stuous relationship.

A superb example of this is the infamous "Mann hockey stick" fraud, which repeatedly uses the meme of, "supported by a dozen independent studies". Not so independent after all, if you check out the authors of the studies:

Briffa et al [2001] with coauthor Jones
Jones et al [1998] with coauthor Briffa
Jones and Mann [2004]
Mann and Jones [2004]
Mann, Bradley and Hughes [1998, 1999]
Bradley and Jones [1993]
Hughes and Diaz [1994]
Bradley, Hughes and Diaz [2003]

The bottom line is that a small cabal is responsible for self-supporting data. 'A' creates a study that is confirmed by 'B'. 'B' creates a study that is confirmed by 'A' and 'C'. Then 'B' and 'C' creates a study confirmed by 'A'.
Posted by Anonymoose 2009-01-20 09:32||   2009-01-20 09:32|| Front Page Top

#8 They didn't ask the key question which is,

"Have temperatures risen enough that we should worry about them, now or in the future."
Posted by phil_b 2009-01-20 09:34||   2009-01-20 09:34|| Front Page Top

#9 New guy coming in. Gotta grease the grant money skids.
Posted by tu3031 2009-01-20 10:06||   2009-01-20 10:06|| Front Page Top

#10 New guy coming in. Gotta grease the grant money skids palms.

There, fixed it for you tu.
Posted by AlanC 2009-01-20 12:06||   2009-01-20 12:06|| Front Page Top

#11 Chicken Little is certainly an appropriate image for this story.
Posted by Iblis 2009-01-20 12:21||   2009-01-20 12:21|| Front Page Top

#12 One key question they left out is this:
How much of global warming (if it exists) is due to human activity and how much to other processes?

Man may very well be A cause, but not THE cause, or perhaps not even a primary cause, and still generate the answers they got. (Though I do buy the grant whore hypothesis too.)
Posted by Glenmore 2009-01-20 13:12||   2009-01-20 13:12|| Front Page Top

#13 the take-home message is, the more you profit from know about the field of climate science, the more you're likely to believe in global warming and humankind's contribution to it.

fixed it for ya.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-01-20 13:49||   2009-01-20 13:49|| Front Page Top

#14 The survey says 3146 "scientists" participated in the survey. How many were actually scientists that had any degree of understanding of macroclimatology? My bet would be 2-3 AT MOST. SEPP gave a list of 10,000 scientists, including more than 2200 climatologists and atmospheric physicists, who had signed a petition claiming anthropogenic global warming was a hoax. Theories based on the solar cycle, sunspot activity, and the electromagnetic fields of the Earth and the Sun have proven significantly more reliable in predicting surface temperatures, and capable of explaining past warmings and coolings, which have existed as long as the Earth has. Those "scientists" who have tied their careers to manmade global warming are beginning to realize that they've climbed out on a very rotten limb, and others are rapidly sawing through it. Fred Singer said it best: "how can manmade global warming be real when it's based upon increases to atmospheric carbon dioxide? Man's contribution to atmospheric carbon dioxide accounts for 2% of all CO2 in the atmosphere. CO2 accounts for about 4% of all greenhouse gasses. It's not feasible that 2% of 4% of ANYTHING could totally dominate the earth's atmospheric physics, as manmade global warming claimants insist."
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2009-01-20 18:02|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2009-01-20 18:02|| Front Page Top

#15 Actually OP, it's worse than that.

Mankind's contribution to the global output of CO2 every year is less than 1/3 of 1%.

Then, when you factor in the fact that CO2 isn't a poison, it's a nutrient, well the whole thing starts to get pretty silly. There are far more plants consuming CO2 than there are people creating it, even counting Al Gore and his $4,000 a month electric bill.
Posted by DLR 2009-01-20 23:58||   2009-01-20 23:58|| Front Page Top

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