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2020-01-09 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Ilan Berman: "US Now Has a Crucial Opening to Weaken Iran Even Further"
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Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ]  Top
 File under: Govt of Iran 

#1 Uh, so we're going to meddle in Iran with regime change again?

The CIA already did this in 1953 and installed the Shah because their elected government wanted to spend oil revenues on their people. In 1979 Carter greenlighted the overthrow of the Shah and installed that nice man the Ayatollah Khomeni. I'm thinking a third overthrow isn't the problem. The problem is the US government's fatal attraction of overthrowing other governments and causing more problems than are ever solved.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2020-01-09 00:30||   2020-01-09 00:30|| Front Page Top

#2 Someone didn't read the article.
Posted by SteveS 2020-01-09 00:42||   2020-01-09 00:42|| Front Page Top

#3 Trump just ooffered to support the government of Iran if it abandoned its meddling in other countries and stopped supporting the Houthis Hezbollah etc. got its people out of the Arab world, and halted its efforts to obtain nuclear weapons and means to deliver them.
And that is what the domestic opposition in Iran has been demanding as well.
Posted by daniel  2020-01-09 00:47||   2020-01-09 00:47|| Front Page Top

#4 He's not demanding regime change. He's suggesting the vile, murderous, hideously corrupt regime change its behavior in exchange for peace and prosperity.

As opposed to sending billions for these thieves to steal and also plow into operations and arms used to slaughter their neighbors as well as Americans.

He's offering a DEAL, 'Erb.
Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 01:03||   2020-01-09 01:03|| Front Page Top

#5 The neocon objective is not a deal with the mullahs, it is regime change. Jeez, people.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2020-01-09 02:41||   2020-01-09 02:41|| Front Page Top

#6 He's not a neocon. He's a Jacksonian who loves dealmaking.
Jeez indeed
Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 02:54||   2020-01-09 02:54|| Front Page Top

#7 FWIW: asking a vile, murderous pack of thieves to change their behavior is less than realistic.

They need to be cornered, contained, harassed at every turn -- and killed as/when, like Suleimani, they threaten to kill our people.
Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 02:56||   2020-01-09 02:56|| Front Page Top

#8 State, Pentagon, and the rest are stuffed with neocons. They can and do do things on their own.

> and killed as/when, like Suleimani, they threaten to kill our people.

If we weren't meddling in the Middle East in the first place, nobody would be getting killed. I love this statement because it is 100% true and 100% irrefutable.

We get out of the Middle East and all of these problems go away like ice on a hot summer day.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2020-01-09 03:36||   2020-01-09 03:36|| Front Page Top

#9 I don't know what the neocon label means, or if any serve in your military. I just know that war-profiteering had long altered from simple war to cold war budgets. And if someone would want to profit from actions against Iran, they'd want to prolong the decision-making, make the pentagon approve payments to more and more contractors, drum up spectres and rumours of hostility and let Iran run circles around the US forces.

A final, direct strike on their top generals is the last thing they would want. Because that stops hostilities. That deters States from escalation and moves forces away from posturing and lollygagging. It brings the reality of the musims' favorite word 'War' home and that's what it did. Anything Khomeini and his savages are saying now, is being looked upon by Iranians with suspicion and wariness. At any rate it's to keep their faces before the umma. Democratic forces will try to oust them because it's demonstrated they'll get Iranians killed. Already Iranians aboard the jet that went down are dead.
Posted by Dron66046 2020-01-09 05:10||   2020-01-09 05:10|| Front Page Top

#10 Neocon is Herb's "Nazi", an all-purpose slur to cast about to cover anybody that the twat doesn't like
Posted by Frank G 2020-01-09 05:22||   2020-01-09 05:22|| Front Page Top

#11 I know some people at reddit call Rantburg a neocon site. Maybe they're his friends then.
Posted by Dron66046 2020-01-09 05:33||   2020-01-09 05:33|| Front Page Top

#12 People at Reddit talk about Rantburg? Why?
Posted by trailing wife 2020-01-09 05:54||   2020-01-09 05:54|| Front Page Top

#13 I didn't even know reddit until I stumbled on a link from an article. Something far-left antifa types. Don't remember the context, just that a couple of guys were told to 'Go spout their Right Wing bullshit at the neocon Rantburg and Breitbart.' Something like that. Some other conservative sites too. Anyway, I found reddit to be full of crazies from the entire spectrum of politics.
Posted by Dron66046 2020-01-09 06:40||   2020-01-09 06:40|| Front Page Top

#14 #2 Herb was triggered: the headline plus the (obviously Hebrew name) of the author.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-01-09 06:50||   2020-01-09 06:50|| Front Page Top

#15 OK__ let's ease up on Herb. He provides a valuable service of having a different view. Let's not turn into a JournoList echo chamber. I disagree with most of his positions, but every now and then, he's right on. I'm willing to wade thru the horseshit to find an occasional pony.
Posted by Mercutio 2020-01-09 08:11||   2020-01-09 08:11|| Front Page Top

#16 If we weren't meddling in the Middle East in the first place, nobody would be getting killed. I love this statement because it is 100% true and 100% irrefutable.


Sure Herb. I would say though the Middle East has been starting to meddle with us seriously from the 7th century.

And of course in that Iraq-Iran War in the 1980s nobody got killed.
Posted by European Conservative 2020-01-09 08:18||   2020-01-09 08:18|| Front Page Top

#17 Herb, You got me to agree with EC, so you must've said something particularly silly.

Islam meddles with its especially civilised AKA non-muslim neighbours.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-01-09 09:02||   2020-01-09 09:02|| Front Page Top

#18 Herb? Negoiate much?

You don't start with an 23' pole vault. You start at 16'. Art of the Deal, guy. Give them something (Mullahacritcy) in exchange for the other stuff. I am surprised every day that people still don't understand how Trumpn works. Amazing.
Posted by Tarzan Elmeretch9587 2020-01-09 15:35||   2020-01-09 15:35|| Front Page Top

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