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2014-01-08 Government

Ballot proposal to Break Up California: Hope and Change for California

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Posted by JohnQC 2014-01-08 10:28|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ] Top

#1 All part and parcel of the previously revealed 57 state model.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-01-08 10:48|| 2014-01-08 10:48|| Front Page Top

#2 The large populations of the cities will most likely decide the issue.

It's also the same problem the new states will have, as the urban areas will still control things. The predominant political party and the current public employee unions in CA will also ensure they gain control of the new states.

Posted by Pappy 2014-01-08 10:52|| 2014-01-08 10:52|| Front Page Top

#3 SO it'll give the CA unions more representation in the Senate but nothing else changes for the rest of us (except the Dem Senate becomes more entrenched).

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2014-01-08 11:05|| 2014-01-08 11:05|| Front Page Top

#4 oh great. 12 senators from 'California'; at least 3 will be related to Pelosi and one will be names Maxine Waters

Posted by airandee 2014-01-08 11:13|| 2014-01-08 11:13|| Front Page Top

Patriotic Barack Obama lapel pins unveiled honoring all 57 states.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-01-08 11:43|| 2014-01-08 11:43|| Front Page Top

#6 oh great. 12 senators from 'California'; at least 3 will be related to Pelosi

Have you thought about what would happen on Presidential: Democarts would no longer get the gazillion electors of California. Instead the GOP would get the voptes of the Red Parts of California. California nearly made Gore a president, gave a fighting chance to Kerry and had Obama reelected.

Posted by JFM 2014-01-08 12:15|| 2014-01-08 12:15|| Front Page Top

#7 Instead the GOP would get the voptes of the Red Parts of California

Not necessarily. San Bernadino county is technically a 'red' county; the Democrats have made a concerted effort to take power there. Having candidates with money and connections prior to running for office helps...

Posted by Pappy 2014-01-08 12:52|| 2014-01-08 12:52|| Front Page Top

#8 Wouldn't any breakup have to be approved by congress and the president as well?

Somehow I don't see that happening.

Posted by CrazyFool 2014-01-08 12:54|| 2014-01-08 12:54|| Front Page Top

#9 Pubs would get 4 or 5 senators out of this; Democrats would get 7 or 8. Net advantage to them. The House representation likely wouldn't change much. Electors on presidential campaigns thus would be a small net to the Pubs: instead of all 53 going to the Dems (now), it would be perhaps 43 Dem and 20 Pub. The gap would narrow.

Posted by Steve White 2014-01-08 12:57|| 2014-01-08 12:57|| Front Page Top

#10 They could make each California County a State and the Dems would still gain. Remember what happened to B1 Bob's safe seat in Orange County, he was overwhelmed by a wave of immigrants.

Over the last decade or so there has been a net State to State outflow of a million taxpayers that are being replaced by immigrants and undocumented Democrats and the children of immigrants and undocumented Democrats.

Right here locally Chevron is moving 2,000 Executive and skilled Headquarters staff from San Ramon CA to Houston Tx. Rumor is that AT&T is doing a similar thing. They tried to warn Governor Moonbeam before he pushed the tax increase but he wouldn't listen. Hey Brown, 13% State Income Tax on nothing is nothing.

Now ~~ciudad al norte México~~ L.A. is in serious trouble, stay tuned.

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2014-01-08 15:05|| 2014-01-08 15:05|| Front Page Top

#11 Fuq dis noise. Draper wants to lump my peaceful lil county with Lost Angles. Bite me Tim, you ignorant a$$hole bizzybody.

Posted by Dopey Sinatra 2014-01-08 15:52|| 2014-01-08 15:52|| Front Page Top

#12

Posted by Iblis 2014-01-08 16:46|| 2014-01-08 16:46|| Front Page Top

#13 The problem with California is that LA and SF Bay Area control the state. LA is not going to vote to cut its throat from getting water and other resources by splitting up the state. Let's face it---the moon bats are in charge.

The only way I can see bringing back some semblance of sanity is to have the moon bat rookeries fail and collapse. It will get ugly but the only way is to let arithmetic have its way.

As a fifth and last generation Californian, it hurts to see how much California has descended.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2014-01-08 17:29|| 2014-01-08 17:29|| Front Page Top

#14 However, give the Los Angelenos an additional choice of taking their part as a new (old) Mexican state. That option would scare the **** out of the machine.

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-01-08 18:13|| 2014-01-08 18:13|| Front Page Top

#15 In the future OWG Mighty USSA vs OWG Weak USRoA Global SSR, it still comes down as to whom will hold the power - the PEOPLE'S ASSEMBLY/CONGRESS, or the CENTRAL COMMITTEE, etc. of the CPUS???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2014-01-08 18:58|| 2014-01-08 18:58|| Front Page Top

#16 I'd settle for striking down the limit on reps and going back to the individual numbers originally set. Let's have a house of reps with 1000+ in it, each of then very local and as easy to contact as a small city mayor. This has a many fold effect: much more representative of a locality, practically eliminates gerrymandering, and so many reps it's nearly impossible to control them via lobby, and as a bonus, more likely we would see third party win seats because it's easier to do so in smaller electorate.

That solves a lot of problems. Repeal 17 and re institute Senators serving at the election of the state government will fix much of the other problems.

Posted by OldSpook 2014-01-08 22:45|| 2014-01-08 22:45|| Front Page Top

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