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| 1 |
JosephMendiola |
Uh, uh, PORTALOO - NOT WATERLOO???
gut nuthin.
Better that than the Outlaw JOSEY WALES. |
2011-07-26 23:59 |
67.98.163.2 |
| 2 |
JosephMendiola |
DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > US FLEEING FROM AFGHANISTAN -THEN WHAT? | PAKISTAN'S FUTURE [post-US] IS AFGHANISTAN'S BLOODY PAST.
ARTIC = ...
> No one in the Region seriously believes that the Taliban + AQ, etal. will NOT attempt to take over the Pak Govt, destabilize + launch Jihad agz India, or assert PAK-specific hegemony over post-US Afghanistan.
> PAK GOVT. as a class is institutionally incapable of effec resisting the tentacles of Radical Islam.
> POST-US, LIKELY ISLAMIST-CONTROLLED OR DOMINATED NUCLEAR PAK WILL BE THE WORLD'S WORST NIGHTMARE IN 5-10 YEARS [2015-2020-plus].
> INDO-PAK NUCLEAR SHOWDOWN MAY OCCUR IN FIVE YEARS [2015-plus].
* SAME > OUTLAWED HIZB TAHRIR GROUP PLANNED "ARAB SPRING" UPRISING IN PAKISTAN.
* BHARAT RAKSHAK > PAKISTAN PLANS TO ADD 24 NEW MISSLES [Nuke-capable]TO TARGET ALL PARTS OF INDIA.
As per above, IAF CHIEF = INDIA'S COUNTER-RESPONSE TO PAKISTAN ATTACK WILL BE HEAVY/MASSIVE.
* SAME > MUMBAI POLICE CHIEF: INTERCONTINENTAL HOTEL TERRORISTS CONTROLLED FROM PAKISTAN. |
2011-07-26 23:55 |
67.98.163.2 |
| 3 |
JosephMendiola |
CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > BREIVIK MANIFESTO: WHITE ARYANS TO WANT BROWN ARYANS AS SERVANTS ["Servant" under-class] + ANTI-MUSLIM ALLIES |NORWEGIAN MASS KILLER'S MANIFESTO HAILS HINDUTVA, i.e. Hindu [Ultra]Nationalist movements to help bring down MULTICULTURALIST = "CULTURAL MARXIST" GOVTS AROUND THE WORLD.
* DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > REPORT: NORWAY KILLER PRAISES [homogenous] JAPAN AS A "MODEL COUNTRY".
Hails Tokyo = Nippon for overtly supporting pluralism, innovation, + libertarianism while covertly seriously limiting foreign immigration into the country for the sake of promo national- ethnic identity.
* SAME > TERROR THREAT INCREASINGLY NULLIFIES [US-World] GROWTH. Upward Progessionism/
Progressivism.
Govts. all but forced to "spend, spend, spend" for security even when they don't want to.
IIUC ARTIC = MORE REASONS TO ENGAGE IN "IMPERIALISM" + "NATION BUILDING" IRREGARDLESS IFF TOTAL, MAJOR, OR LIMITED WAR.
To paraph GEN. DOUGLAS MACARTHUR = "TIMIDITY IN WAR IS THE EPITOME OF STUPIDITY/FOOLISHNESS".
FIGHT TO WIN, OR DON'T FIGHT AT ALL. |
2011-07-26 23:37 |
67.98.163.2 |
| 4 |
JosephMendiola |
DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > AHMADINEJAD FEELS ITS TIME [for Iran] TO CAST ASIDE NUCLEAR SECRECY.
ARTIC = MOUD favors OPEN DEVELOPMENT OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS FOR IRAN, BUT FEARS BACKLASH FROM STATE EL SUPREMO/HEFE THE AYATOLLAH KHAMENI + MULLAH SUPPORTERS.
and
* SAME > RUSSIA THREATENS TO WRECK THE RESET. Russia is warning the US that iff it continues to criticize Russia on HUMAN RIGHTS, Moscow will end bilateral Russo-US cooperat as per Iran + halt the tranfer of supplies + materials to Afghanistan.
* BHARA RAKSHAK > PRESSTV: US NOT WAVERING ON PLANS FOR FUTURE IRAN INVASION.
* SAME > ANALYSIS: US TO FORCE IRAN OVERREACH AS PART OF MIDDLE EAST STRATEGY.
ARTIC = Schema calls for ...
> Progressive buildup of [post-Iraq, Afghan/AFPK = 2014?]US Milfors in ME + Persian Gulf region.
> Participation of Israel, Turkey, + Saudi Arabia + GCC in containing spread of pro-Iran Islamist regional influence; US = US, NATO-led modernization of the Armed Forces, Econs of anti-Iran Govts-States.
> INDUCE IRAN-SPECIFIC IMPLOSION + IDEO COLLAPSE VIA COMBIN OF UN, INTERNAT ECON SANCTIONS + COST-PROHIBITIVE OVER-PROJECTION BY IRAN OF ITS OWN MILPOL INFLUENCE.
HMMMM, HMMMM, intehwesting to see how this unfolds come August 3rd + possible US Govt. Default. |
2011-07-26 23:16 |
67.98.163.2 |
| 5 |
rammer |
Aris provides the counterpoint to the group-think that even Rantburgers can fall into. Reject his position, but know why his ideas are worthy of rejection, so that you will be prepared for the future. He is legion, and represents the unreflecting muddle of millions. Gird yourself with the knowledge of his failings, so that you can defeat him and them whenever necessary.
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2011-07-26 23:14 |
207.119.221.234 |
| 6 |
rammer |
People are the most complex combat environment.
Ask yourself, "What is so important about turning off the electricity? How does it help them win?"
Answer that and you will learn how to fight them. Fail to do so, and we will not win.
|
2011-07-26 23:03 |
207.119.221.234 |
| 7 |
newc |
That Norwegian followed basically anything evil. Where from shall we assume he obtained his tactics? |
2011-07-26 22:57 |
174.106.192.199 |
| 8 |
newc |
There has been some very good systems. RAID was one that deployed balloons on a cable high above Baghdad and gave great intel on the plantings of IED's. The future is remote control and it's very Orwellian. |
2011-07-26 22:53 |
174.106.192.199 |
| 9 |
newc |
Pardon My confusion of Alawite with Hashemite - Predominately Jordanian. |
2011-07-26 22:36 |
174.106.192.199 |
| 10 |
newc |
An effort to keep the Hashemite's from being slaughtered if fallen, Like the Assyrians 2000 years ago and their Assad. |
2011-07-26 22:34 |
174.106.192.199 |
| 11 |
USN, Ret. |
i'm kind of thinking that i can hold it above 55 mph........... |
2011-07-26 22:25 |
67.168.66.135 |
| 12 |
badanov |
Milenio has a problem with its linking software in that new stories are accompanied by previous stories that are related, except sometimes their software will append the latest story with the full text of the older story leaving the reader with the idea the older story just happened. Dunno if they are even aware of the problem. |
2011-07-26 22:17 |
70.254.243.61 |
| 13 |
Frank G |
restraint, Pappy |
2011-07-26 21:45 |
68.7.135.79 |
| 14 |
Pappy |
Which means he'll be around for years. |
2011-07-26 21:31 |
66.74.194.49 |
| 15 |
Pappy |
Which is sort of my point. One shouldn't make it easy for other people to depict them as evil. Even if deep deep inside you know you aren't evil, knowing it yourselves is not enough. You ought also LOOK not evil.
Two days afterwards, and the Greek wants to give us style tips. |
2011-07-26 21:27 |
66.74.194.49 |
| 16 |
Frank G |
save your breath, Abu |
2011-07-26 21:16 |
68.7.135.79 |
| 17 |
abu do you love |
Aris:
I am the one that mockingly put words into Janet Napolitano. At the time of my posting, Norwegian officials had named the attack 'Terrorism' and 'most certainly Muslim terror' in the Google translated link slightly higher. part of the snark in my post is that Napolitano and the 0bama regime in general had acted exactly as i depicted in other cases.
If there is someone seeking a narrative based on hoped-for appearances that do not necessarily fit reality i suggest you look first into a mirror before making such broad allegations here. |
2011-07-26 21:09 |
71.204.112.174 |
| 18 |
JosephMendiola |
POLITICAL-LEGAL JIHAD = why wage anything more than anti-US, NATO "holding actions", albeit violent or bloody, when you are likely to takeover or dominate the Govt-State anyway, + TO INCLUDE "LEGAL" POLITICAL CONTROL OF PAK'S NUCLEAR ARSENAL + RELATED CVILIAN NUCPROGS.
In Radical Islam's mindset, they will had won because the victorious US-NATO is leaving or abandoning the battlefield, or most of same, for reasons other than absolute or total victory.
* WATERGATE REDUX = everyone in Asia-Pacific knew that South Vietnam was now just so much "WALKING DEAD/DEADMEAT" when POTUS NIXON resigned. Nixon had reduced the massive Amer ground presence in South Vietnam ala "Vietnamization" but not Amer's MilPol commitment to militarily defend same agz North Vietnam. Wid the US ABANDONMENT OF SOUTH VIETNAM + 1975 FALL OF SAIGON CAME THE FALL OF LAOS + CAMBODIA + EXPANSION OF COMMUNISM + ANTI-AMERICANISM THROUGHOUT SE ASIA.
It will be the same in AFPAK + CENTRAL-SOUTH ASIA vee NUCLEARIZING Radical Islam iff the US gets it wrong again.
* OLD SAYINGS
> Nazi Germany + Japan won WW2, correct?
> North Vietnam + Commie Bloc won the Vietnam War, correct?
DITTO RADICAL ISLAM TO WIN THE GWOT = "WAR FOR [anti/post-US?]OWG-NWO" = REGIONAL + espec GLOBAL NUCLEAR CALIPHATE???
And once again, Virginia, we learn why
"Imperialism" is a WILY DASTARDLY NASTY WORD ONLY TO THOSE NOT YET IN POWER. |
2011-07-26 20:18 |
67.98.163.2 |
| 19 |
Pollyandrew |
Funny how building cred in some circles has become synonomous with committing increasingly despicable acts. |
2011-07-26 20:15 |
108.92.50.112 |
| 20 |
Barbara |
Who? And who? And I'm supposed to give a rat's patootie because....? |
2011-07-26 20:15 |
67.163.119.250 |
| 21 |
Barbara |
I see we have aris mosquito buzzing around - who left the window open? |
2011-07-26 20:11 |
67.163.119.250 |
| 22 |
abu do you love |
I read it the same way. The talib factions are building 'cred' for the post US takeover.
|
2011-07-26 20:06 |
71.204.112.174 |
| 23 |
JosephMendiola |
NEWS KERALA > NORWAY KILLER COLD BE JAILED FOR ONLY 21 YEARS.
IIUC ARTIC = Norway CJ Sys has a histoire' of releasing or paroling hardened or violent criminals after serving a minima average of 14 years, albeit the same could legally be detained longer iff deemed to still be a threat to society.
* SAME > OSLO ATTACKER FEARED CREATION OF SEVERAL "MINI-PAKISTANS" ALL OVER EUROPE.
Islamist-Sharia Enclaves = autonomous?, espec towards Year 2083 which hallmarks the END/COLLAPSE OF ANY + ALL WHITE EUROPEAN GOVTS + BEGINNING OF A DE FACTO MUSLIM-DOMINATED EUROPE [Eurabia], GOVTS + ECONOMIES + NUCLEAR ARSENALS THEREIN??? |
2011-07-26 19:53 |
67.98.163.2 |
| 24 |
Frank G |
In other news - Amy Winehouse was cremated today. Hazmat Level Four procedures in effect, and a small flash-fire was quickly put down. The town's inhabitants were allowed to return to their homes late afternoon with a chlorine bleach spray for exposed surfaces.....that is all |
2011-07-26 19:39 |
68.7.135.79 |
| 25 |
JosephMendiola |
See also TOPIX/WORLD NEWS > [IRGC Magazine "Sobeh Sadegh"] IRAN WARNS TURKEY TO BUTT OUT OF SYRIA.
versus
* WAFF > [Turkey UN Represen-Envoy on Gaza Flotilla Ozdem Sanberk] NOW IS ISRAEL'S LAST CHANCE TO APOLOGIZE, for stopping Gaza-bound ships + diplomatic restore relations wid Turkey to former positive or proactive levels.
This will NOT end well. |
2011-07-26 19:37 |
67.98.163.2 |
| 26 |
JosephMendiola |
As of this AM, the Norway Govt has formally downgraded the Oslo, Utoya death toll to 76 - 8 known dead in Oslo + 68 as per Utoya.
* BREIVIK'S LAWYER = claims that his Client is a "totally insane" Person whom took various drugs to stiffen or harden his resolve to commit these horrific acts, + that BREIVIK ALSO SOUGHT TO SPARK VIOLENT REVOLUTION = MAJOR RACE, CULTURE WAR THROUGHOUT EUROPE. |
2011-07-26 19:30 |
67.98.163.2 |
| 27 |
Glenmore |
So does the Silver Star get reduced back to the Bronze Star, or go away completely? Was the original Bronze Star already an 'officer's medal' (see LBJ, WWII), or actually deserved? There was plenty of cr*p going on at that time and place, that regardless of kitty prawn or officer-ness, I would hate to see any deserved medal revoked. |
2011-07-26 19:29 |
68.105.53.204 |
| 28 |
JosephMendiola |
US-WORLD NAVAL AIRCRAFT CARRIERS = GREAT OR MASSIVE "OFFENSIVE" POWER BUT ALSO GREAT VULNERABILITY.
Ditto HT AIRSHIPS as per GREAT OR MASSIVE "DEFENSIVE" POWER MIXED WID GREAT VULNERABILITY.
Think integrated "a fully-armed B52 BUFF, Recce-SPAWAR, AC130 SPECTRE, andor BMD Sys that hardly or never leaves a combat area or strategic zone".
AFAIK the US Army + USDOD-DARPA are dev WIP designs for utility as an AIRBORNE RR = ORBITAL TROOPS, CARGO LARGE-UNIT/QUANTITY MIL TRANSPORT.
The Cold War Soviets recognized the above potential of Airships + deemed it as inherently "destabilizing", demanding that neither US-NATO nor their own WARSAW PACT ever develop + deploy same for military purposes. |
2011-07-26 19:21 |
67.98.163.2 |
| 29 |
Glenmore |
The big new gas field discovery does appear to straddle the Israel-Lebanon border, so shifts of border definition of just a km mean huge differences in value. US & Louisiana governments engaged in extended legal battles over such definitions here 35 or so years ago. But they didn't threaten to blow up stuff. |
2011-07-26 19:16 |
68.105.53.204 |
| 30 |
Eohippus Phater7165 |
Multipartism is like Greece where you have your choice of Papandreou family or the Karamanlis family. |
2011-07-26 19:15 |
74.192.139.95 |
| 31 |
Glenmore |
My theory is that, since everyone expects we'll be leaving soon, or sooner, different factions within the Taliban are launching attacks in order to establish their position within the Taliban hierarchy for the post-US world. |
2011-07-26 19:12 |
68.105.53.204 |
| 32 |
badanov |
From Swift Vets website:
Sanders received upgraded his Silver Star in 92 under Clinton when Sanders was Assistant Sec of some one in the Navy. That was political to use his position to have his Bronze Star upgraded. Kerry's first PH would also come into play since his political orginization in 2004 admitted his first PH may have been self inflicted, they would just open the door and if someone received medals by lying or altering documents for awards, they should lose them the same way.
and
In doing further research and talking with others involved. The Silver Star was rescinded last August and just now is being reported in the Navy Times which is dated 7/18/2011 but the print copy was delivered on the 12th. Statements which Wade stated were proven false and he could give not one witnesses to back his statements, nor remember any one involved. |
2011-07-26 19:09 |
70.254.243.61 |
| 33 |
JosephMendiola |
IOW, more Decentralized Leadership [post-Osama/Abbottabad] while allowing for expanded, but autonomous or wholly independent, Insurgent + Terror Campaigns. Also protects the "Next Generation(s)" of Regional, Global Jihad Leaders.
[HAMZA BIN LADEN, etal. here].
ALA AYMAN ZAWAHIRI + POST-OSAMA "CORE AL-QAEDA"; + MUQTADA SADR'S MILITIAS IN IRAQ + SOMALIA [East-Central Africa]. |
2011-07-26 19:03 |
67.98.163.2 |
| 34 |
Eohippus Phater7165 |
Because a Port-a-Potty is where you want to inhale deeply. |
2011-07-26 19:02 |
74.192.139.95 |
| 35 |
lotp |
Methane build up - deadly stuff. |
2011-07-26 19:00 |
98.169.208.18 |
| 36 |
lotp |
JohnQC, the key is in this passage: A Navy spokesman cited "subsequently determined facts and evidence surrounding both the incident for which the award was made and the processing of the award itself." |
2011-07-26 18:58 |
98.169.208.18 |
| 37 |
JosephMendiola |
Kimmie + Regime Boyz are wily dastardly **** agz their own people, but aren't idjuts - the development of a reliable LR nuclear arsenal for his DPRK is his Geopol + Ideo "hedge" agz both overlord China as well as the ROK + US-UNO, to include the ROK's Western-style DemoSocialists.
TO PROTECT HIS REGIME, + NORTH KOREA'S SOVEREIGNTY "AS IS" + THE NORTH'S BRAND OF MARXISM-SOCIALISM, KIMMIE TAINT GONNA GIVE UP THE NUKES IRREGARDLESS OF ANY DIPLOMACY TO THE CONTRARY, + NOT UNLESS HE IS GUARANTEED = ASSURED OF MAJOR CONCESSIONS FROM ALL CAMPS.
Put another way, when iff-n-when Kimmie does fire the DPRK's Nuke Missles at South Korea + US-Japan in righteous Norkie indignation, + prolly wid China's covert consent + order, he wants to make sure he will be able to flip a switch + cause saidsame DPRK Nuke Missles to change target paths in mid-course + fly back towards Beijing instead.
AGAIN, TRUTH BE TOLD, IMO AS THINGS STAND IT IS, SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH, IN THE ROK'S + US' + JAPAN'S INTERESTS VEE CHINA TO LET KIMMIE + DPRK DEV NUKES. |
2011-07-26 18:55 |
67.98.163.2 |
| 38 |
Besoeker |
At least a portion of the OFAF weapons recovered were found at the scene of crimes where dead people were also found. The connection between OFAF weapons and the commission of murder should not be a huge leap. Perhaps this will lead to Holder's eventual demise. I hope Senator Grassley and his colleagues stay on the trail. |
2011-07-26 18:36 |
74.190.242.252 |
| 39 |
Rob Crawford |
Everyone in that thread mocked the very idea that it might be someone who wasn't a muslim.
You know why?
BECAUSE WE HAVE BRAINS. WE CAN RECOGNIZE PATTERNS.
This event was an outlier. One case out of hundreds tracked here at Rantburg; the one time a herd of zebra stampeded by.
And YOU are the one trying to make political hay over it.
I think this guy should get a fair trial and, if found guilty, executed. Unlike the left, the right will never appoint him to a prestigious office, never offer him a pardon, never let him give commencement speeches, never march in the street declaring him a "political prisoner". We won't name streets after him, won't erect statues to him...
But apparently we're supposed to flagellate ourselves? |
2011-07-26 18:35 |
184.57.213.61 |
| 40 |
Frank G |
Or was the heroism on which the medal was based proven to not be true?
look who he was defending. You make the call |
2011-07-26 18:33 |
68.7.135.79 |
| 41 |
S |
Mariah is hating on airships always. |
2011-07-26 18:30 |
98.230.52.239 |
| 42 |
Rob Crawford |
Hey Aris is back.
He's from such a successful country; we should all listen to his "wisdom".
|
2011-07-26 18:21 |
184.57.213.61 |
| 43 |
Rob Crawford |
Airships seem to have a perpetual, general purpose curse on them.
This one, for example, is in Akron. |
2011-07-26 18:20 |
184.57.213.61 |
| 44 |
Rob Crawford |
I see Aris is still dumb as a post.
|
2011-07-26 18:19 |
184.57.213.61 |
| 45 |
JohnQC |
Would the Silver Star be rescinded for having kitty prawn? Or was the heroism on which the medal was based proven to not be true? |
2011-07-26 18:13 |
99.17.80.6 |
| 46 |
Frank G |
a close association with John "I threw someone else's my medals away" F'n Kerry? |
2011-07-26 18:11 |
68.7.135.79 |
| 47 |
JohnQC |
Is it not highly unusual for a man to have his Silver Star rescinded? What would be the basis for having a Silver Star taken away? |
2011-07-26 18:08 |
99.17.80.6 |
| 48 |
Ebbang Uluque6305 |
...I saw people who had their legs and hands severed, eyes blinded and bodies mutilated by the bombs of the blasphemous...
Yeah. And just exactly what did you think was gonna happen? |
2011-07-26 16:47 |
130.191.79.1 |
| 49 |
gromky |
Pah. They'll just pick a new fight with a nearby tribe after relocating. Their culture is still the same, someone just shook the etch-a-sketch. |
2011-07-26 16:35 |
111.1.206.88 |
| 50 |
Frank G |
Breaking: he's resigning - after the debt-limit vote |
2011-07-26 16:12 |
156.29.114.114 |
| 51 |
Frank G |
he has maintained he isn't a pedophile and was researching the subject for a book he planned to write
Dude. Pete Townsend already wrote that tune |
2011-07-26 16:11 |
156.29.114.114 |
| 52 |
mojo |
They strapped them to a metal table with a drain and started vivisecting?
Oh. Sorry. Wrong kind of alien. |
2011-07-26 15:47 |
167.10.240.1 |
| 53 |
Anonymoose |
Sanders is the author of many published articles and opinion pieces in major newspapers and the Navy Institute Proceeding, and served as a columnist for Military.com and a television commentator on national security matters and the war in Iraq for NBC and Fox.
He sat on the board of the non-profit organization Vietnam Veterans of San Diego.
A former Deputy Assistant United States Secretary of the Navy during the Clinton Administration, he contributed significantly to the Post Cold War restructuring and modernization of the Armed Forces of the United States and worked with the United States Secretary of Defense to achieve full integration of the Reserve and Guard Components of the U.S. Military.
He was also a member of the San Diego Police Department Senior Oversight Committee and briefly ran for the United States Congress as a Democrat in 2000 before dropping out of the race, citing a lack of funding.
The sentence from U.S. District Court Judge Thomas Whelan was far less than the maximum term of 10 years, and less than the 63 months federal prosecutors were seeking.
Whelan was nominated by President Bill Clinton on June 4, 1998. |
2011-07-26 15:30 |
98.177.204.132 |
| 54 |
American Delight |
And let me guess. The liquor store was run by, gasp, Christians! |
2011-07-26 15:19 |
208.79.15.146 |
| 55 |
Frozen Al |
I think it is a terrible waste of oxygen that this POS is going to live to a ripe old age. I hope the Aryan Nation gives him what he deserves.
|
2011-07-26 15:08 |
204.169.161.1 |
| 56 |
European Conservative |
Well Aris, cards on the table:
When you first heard of the bombing in Oslo, what was YOUR first thought?
a) Norwegian Neonazi
b) Islamic Jihadi Group
You can't blame people for spontaneous reactions
|
2011-07-26 14:54 |
84.148.241.172 |
| 57 |
trailing wife |
Dale, a friend from a small town in South Carolina used to say that. Also, "Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick." |
2011-07-26 14:09 |
174.101.209.19 |
| 58 |
Mercutio |
Article this am (Instpundit or PJ Tatler?) that 12 Dem Seanators have also signed on. |
2011-07-26 14:07 |
66.91.118.110 |
| 59 |
Dale |
TW that was good. I had never heard that expression. That was the direction I was headed.
An effort to deflect, diffuse, divide and conquer.
The Baath party will call the shots in my opinion. Otherwise we will hear that the "reforms did not go far enough" nor will they go fast enough. Ideal environment for provocateurs to sprout. |
2011-07-26 13:48 |
207.255.222.155 |
| 60 |
Anonymoose |
More insidious than that. The way the scoundrels are writing treaties today is to do so in such a way that nations "commit before agreement", in which the leaders agree to target "goals" in their nations, before the treaty has been approved and signed.
This turns things around, by requiring majority *disapproval* of a treaty, rather than *approval* before at least parts of it are implemented.
For example, when Clinton was leaving office, he signed on to the ICC treaty, forcing Bush and the Republican controlled senate to say "Hell no!" Even before then, the Republican senate had rejected the signed Test Ban treaty.
We still have the damned Kyoto agreement over our heads, because while the senate won't confirm, it won't trash can it, at least yet. |
2011-07-26 13:43 |
98.177.204.132 |
| 61 |
SteveS |
a sixth front in the country's border tribal areas has been opened.
A sixth front? Jeeze. I guess they missed that bit where Sun Tzu said "Never get involved in a land war in Asia". |
2011-07-26 13:20 |
174.124.169.87 |
| 62 |
Black Bart Elmonter8235 |
It is a cover story for the invasion of the evil hobbits from planet Obama. |
2011-07-26 13:14 |
67.253.219.244 |
| 63 |
Barbara |
"Why negotiate a treaty that that the Senate has pre-nullified for you?"
Kyoto comes to mind, Iblis. Perhaps AlBore or Clinton can explain why (other than that they're just idiots). I suspect it has something to do with impressing their "friends" on the far Left. |
2011-07-26 13:10 |
8.7.101.2 |
| 64 |
SteveS |
It begins with everyone making fun of the very idea that it can be anyone other than Muslims. People mockingly blamed in turn "the Amish", the "Laplanders", "the Buddhists", "the Lutherans"
This is probably one of those cultural jokes that loses something in translation. It is common practice here in the United States for news reports to omit certain details when the perpetrators are black or Muslim. Diminishing the self-esteem of minorities or reinforcing prejudices would be mean, I guess.
Also, as pointed out radical Islamists *did* take credit for the attack. Combine that with the historical data over the last decade ( roughly a thousand to one), and "Muslims" is a reasonable bet. But as always, facts get the last word. (like that will stop us from being snarky in the meantime!) |
2011-07-26 12:57 |
174.124.169.87 |
| 65 |
trailing wife |
Aris, the link you mean is this.
In which there is also
#7 However there is something denitely unlike known cases of Islamic terrorism: onlay tow dead, they usually try to kill far more people.
Posted by JFM 2011-07-22 12:20
And eighteen of the thirty-five posts were either reports of new information or links to information sources, at a time when all the major news outlets were talking about it being a jihadi attack, likely revenge for the imminent expulsion of Mullah Krekar. I misremembered acts of caution for words of caution, perhaps because that is how I explicitly framed the news on my Facebook page. My apologies. |
2011-07-26 12:52 |
174.101.209.19 |
| 66 |
Spot |
I don't know/can't tell whether OEDLG etc is annoyed with the Senators or with the UN
Why not both? |
2011-07-26 12:51 |
71.147.39.7 |
| 67 |
Whiskey Mike |
Aris, radical Islamists immediately claimed credit for the attack. It was rational to believe them, since this is how they act. I did mention Norway was home to a kind of Nazi, but did not expect it to be socialists attacking other socialists; different flavors of Nazis, red on red. |
2011-07-26 12:35 |
71.235.160.154 |
| 68 |
newc |
Why does anyone read the NYT anymore, anyway? It stopped being reputable more than ten years ago. |
2011-07-26 12:31 |
174.106.192.199 |
| 69 |
Aris Katsaris |
trailing wife:
"Here at Rantburg we reminded ourselves to wait for the evidence before drawing conclusions about the perpetrator."
Trailing wife, I've read that thread: http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=326737&D=2011-07-22&SO=&HC=1
It begins with everyone making fun of the very idea that it can be anyone other than Muslims. People mockingly blamed in turn "the Amish", the "Laplanders", "the Buddhists", "the Lutherans" -- talked about whether Norwegians will now play "vikings and muslims", etc, etc.
And someone openly mocked the idea that it might be a neonazi instead, by putting it in the mouth of Napolitano.
So: No, Rantburg certainly did not remind itself to wait for the evidence. Everyone in that thread mocked the very idea that it might be someone who wasn't a muslim. Don't rewrite history, please. |
2011-07-26 12:27 |
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trailing wife |
They've got what they call a multiparty system in Iran, Aris, but all candidates have to be approved by the Mullahcracy regardless. While slightly more liberal than official
single party states, these states are neither democracies nor republics, and not therefore not praiseworthy. Except, perhaps, in the American saying, "For a fat girl she doesn't sweat much." |
2011-07-26 12:26 |
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trailing wife |
I simply adore Bibi Netanyahu! |
2011-07-26 12:20 |
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Aris Katsaris |
Link was supposed to be: http://lesswrong.com/lw/nm/disguised_queries/ |
2011-07-26 12:17 |
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Iblis |
45 Senators guarantees no treaty, and that would generally be the end of it. Why negotiate a treaty that that the Senate has pre-nullified for you? But this administration is above such menial things and will boldly forge ahead. |
2011-07-26 12:15 |
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Aris Katsaris |
"Bill Clinton", you are arguing about the categories "left" or "right", same as someone else might argue for the categories blegg and rube.
You care about the category, because there is a disguised query behind your words: "Which group should feel ashamed for having him as part of them?" And having decided you don't want to feel ashamed for him, you decide he's not a right-winger.
Careful with that reasoning and with that hidden query! For though the words "left" and "right", "socialist" and "conservative" are fuzzy enough that you can assign everyone and everything to each of them, some words like "multi-culturalist" and "anti-multiculturalist" are slightly (slightly) more specific, and you won't be able to shove every monster into the *other* bin. |
2011-07-26 12:13 |
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trailing wife |
Not writer, weiter. Autospell doesn't like unexpected foreign languges.
there's a phrase in Greek that roughly translates to "The Caesar's wife need not just BE honorable, but SEEM honorable".
About Mrs. Augustus Caesar, I believe. A woman who was was so steeped in perfidy that seeming honorable was all she had left. "Pure as Caesar's wife", as we say in English, has sadly never been a compliment. |
2011-07-26 12:07 |
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trailing wife |
I can't speak to the Palestinians -- although it's even more disconcerting if the demonstrations were staged than if they were spontaneous -- but in Lackawanna, New York (home of the Lackawanna Six), my darling mother-in-law reported singing, dancing, and candy being handed out in the Yemeni section of town. They stopped when they noticed her watching, then resumed after she drove past. Other Rantburgers have reported seeing the same thing in Detroit. So whether or not the Palestinians staged it, others were indeed spontaneous in their celebrations.
But it was also members of the Lackawanna Muslim community who turned in the Six to the authorities, because they didn't accept the lads' jihad. I've seen things to indicate it was an imam at the mosque and the fathers of some of the Six, which speaks pretty strongly to the strength of their conviction. We've been following this growing argument within Islam for the past several years, here at Rantburg -- there is a battle of books between Dr. Ayman al Zawahiri and several former theologians of violent jihad who have come to rethink their former positions (Zawahiri is losing, in case you wondered) and another on being fought on YouTube...and of course much of what we know about the jihadis in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere comes from information shared by Muslim locals who disagree with the jihadis, for whatever reason.
Anybody who then accuses us of LOOKING evil because of what they assume us to be is too simpleminded to be worth arguing with, because he isn't interested in external reality. Have you gone to the news outlets to accuse them of bigotry because at first they all trumpeted the car bomb as a Muslim attack? Here at Rantburg we reminded ourselves to wait for the evidence before drawing conclusions about the perpetrator.
Mach' mal writer, European Conservative. |
2011-07-26 11:52 |
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Procopius2k |
EU, the para above your selected posting stipulates -
The demonstration did happen and was condemned by Arafat; the footage was current.[9]
As for Aris, it's simply posted to bring home visually the fact that there were those who indeed act in such a manner. You imply an intent that was not there. If you allow the broad brushing of a group for the actions or the excuses issued by a few, that principle applies to both sides.
Palestinian celebrations
The Palestinian National Authority (PNA) immediately condemned the attacks. Fox News reported that in Ein el-Hilweh, Lebanon's largest Palestinian refugee camp, revelers fired weapons in the air, with similar celebratory gunfire heard at the Rashidiyeh camp near the southern city of Tyre as well.[18]
Reports and images of Palestinians from East Jerusalem, Nablus, and Lebanon taking to the streets in celebration, were broadcast around the world.[18] with many newspapers, magazines, Web sites and wire services running photographs.[21][22] The PNA claimed such celebrations were not representative of the sentiments of the Palestinian people, and the Information Minister Yasser Abed Rabbo said the PNA would not allow "a few kids" to "smear the real face of the Palestinians". In an attempt to quash further reporting, Ahmed Abdel Rahman, Arafat's Cabinet secretary, said the Palestinian Authority could not "guarantee the life" of an Associated Press (AP) cameraman if footage he filmed of post-9/11 celebrations in Nablus was broadcast. Rahman's statement prompted a formal protest from the AP bureau chief, Dan Perry.[23][22] |
2011-07-26 11:50 |
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Frozen Al |
Some disturbing info about the incident:
Unarmed Norwegian police needed permision to retrieve guns |
2011-07-26 11:40 |
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