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Debka has been correct quite often in the last 8 years in which I have followed them closely. Other Israeli media outlets now reporting the same thing about ground assault preparations that debka reported quite some time ago. Doesn't mean it will happen, but the JP and Arutz7 are reporting same thing.
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I have been reading Debka reports for years and have never ever seen a single one of their analysis prove out.
" Debka has been correct quite often in the last 8 years in which I have followed them closely"
Sure, when they are reporting something reported by another news service or something put out by a government ministry in a public context. But *never* have I ever experienced a "Debka Exclusive" being correct. Not once. Ever.
Sure, what they report might validate what some people might wish to be true and that influences people to believe it.
The government of Israel has said they might follow up with ground forces so Debka isn't reporting anything they couldn't get off of AP or Reuters in this case.
But if anyone can give me a single case of a Debka exclusive ever being correct, I will give you a cheese burger and a coke. I have never, ever, seen one. Not once.
Heck, they had us attacking Iran a half dozen different times over the past 5 years. A few times even saying the attack was "imminent".
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crosspatch, Debka called the transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria and Sudan first, before anyone else. That was the only time I've seen them correct, outside Israel.
I did not believe the Sudan part of the story, but then it got verified from another source that stated Sudan decided to return some unspecified equipment to Syria, saying they don't want to have anything to do with it.
these self-hating p*ssies should be obliged to serve in Gaza as human shields. I'm sure Hamas would welcome them with open arms
While Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called for the unity of the citizens of Israel and their support for the operation in Gaza, hundreds of left-wing activists gathered on the Defense Ministry's lawn to protest the deaths of over 200 Palestinians.
Five of the protestors were arrested for rioting after they damaged the security fence and clashed with police forces on the scene. Cracking heads is good to alleviate frustration
Around 300 activists took part in the protest, in order to condemn what they called Israel's "genocide and war crimes". The demonstrators marched through the streets of Tel Aviv until they reached the ministry's headquarters.
Many cried slogans such as "No to war yes to peace", and carried signs saying "Israel's government is committing war crimes", "Negotiation instead of slaughter", and "Lift the siege from Gaza". great slogans. Did you spend time on an unprotected street in Sderot to shout them?
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Danke Frank. I still wish somebody would round them up. Take them to Sderot. Chain them outside bomb shelters (where Sderot's citizens are spending the night).
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I'd suggest they hie themselves over to Gaza to serve as human shields for the paleos, but wouldn't that require that they be humans instead of suicidal pond scum?
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I traded stamps for a while with one of these idiots. He was supposedly killed by one of the Hezbollah missiles. I don't miss him.
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Move them to the other side of the fence. What is that I hear? Amalek?
If only it were so, Poison Reverse. Unfortunately, these are Jewish Israeli idiots. Being Jewish does not guarantee being intelligent, although one prefers to think that most of that sort have emigrated.
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#1 is right, Im guessing. The nominal leader of the israeli center left is LEADING this op. The mainstream zionist left, Meretz, was apparently informed in advance - i havent heard their reaction, I dont think these 300 represent them. Tiny group.
But they have the right to protest, a tribute to Israeli democracy.
#13
Definitely shock, then. I await awe with great anticipation.
Thank you for the popcorn, Barbara! If this keeps up, and I do hope it does, I'll retire to the kitchen to cut up crudites... for the nutritional balance, of course.
Israeli aircraft struck Hamas terrorist security compounds across Gaza on Saturday in an unprecedented series of simultaneous strikes. Hamas and medics reported that dozens of terrorists people were killed and that others were still buried under the rubble.
Terrorism Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least 120 terrorists people were killed. In one of the Hamas compounds, bodies of more than a dozen uniformed terrorists security officers were seen lying on the ground. One survivor raised his index finger in a show of Muslim faith, uttering a prayer.
Among the dead was the Gaza terrorist police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber, witnesses said.
Israel confirmed it carried out a series of air strikes on Hamas installations, but did not provide details. Israel has warned in recent days it would strike back hard against continued rocket fire from Gaza on Israeli border towns. There was no sign of an Israel ground offensive, in parallel to the air attacks.
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Expecting UN and EU condemnation shortly. It's fine with the UN / EU as long as it's Paleos killing Jews. When Israel finally responds, well that's simply not permitted.
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It would not surprise me if 'international outrage' over this escalated for a few weeks, to be followed by an Arab assault. It would time well as an introductory test for Obama. It would work to boost oil prices. It would divert internal attention from economic woes of the neighboring states. The two things those neighboring states have to fear are 1) getting whipped again, and 2) what might be worse, winning, and no longer having Israel to blame or to provide regional economic activity. That would lead rational governments to make noise but do nothing, but the Arab governments (and Iran) have often been lacking in the 'rationality' department.
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Gaza's not the rel problem & the Gazans have always just been pawns in the game.
Indeed. The real problem is Jooooooooooos breathing Arab air... or just breathing... depending on if you're talking to a moderate or a stone cold whabi saucer.
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All police HQs in Gaza destroyed The wide-scale offensive on Hamas installations in the Gaza Strip was codenamed 'Operation Cast Lead,' after a Hanukkah poem by H.N. Bialik referring to a "dreidel cast from solid lead."
Methinks, there's a better poem "Adah and Zillah, hear my voice;
you wives of Lamech, hearken to what I say:
I have slain a man for wounding me,
a young man for striking me.
If Cain is avenged sevenfold,
truly Lamech seventy-seven fold."
The Vatican's spokesman has urged Israelis and Palestinians to renounce violence and seek a peaceful solution to their conflict after Israel launched air strikes on the Gaza Strip in response to rocket fire.
Don't dis the boss' relatives, Ratzinger.
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How long do you think it would take for the Israelis to systematically push all Gaza Paleos into Egypt, then slam the door shut behind them?
Moose, the 'Gyptos aren't buying ...
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Why isn't every mosque on the target list?
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I hope they go back at them again tonight.
And make sure government/terrorist/clerical officials don't live a life with any of the modern conveniences whatsoever. A condition that for sure will go away after a short but obligatory period of resistance marked by those same officials living the lifestyle they should be living. Make their privileged lifestyles contingent on peace being maintained - both in practice and rhetoric.
They can start the process by bombing every one of their government buildings and personal villas. With them in it.
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I'm having a hard time getting the warm fuzzies over this. Sure, I like seeing Israel pound the Paleos, but nothing meaningful will come of this.
It's not brutal enough to make the Paleos change their thinking and it does nothing to reform Gaza. Take, hold, reform, rebuild is the solution. And the reform process will spill enough Paleo blood for us all to have something to cheer about.
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The only thing that'll reform them is another spin on the wheel.
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Mike N - yeah, they are being realistic. In 2006 they said they were going to crush Hezb, and so they looked like they had lost even after doing considerable damage to hezb. A lower bar gives them much more flexibility, both operational and propagandistic.
I think what Glenmore is referring to as the real problem is Iran. Hamas is an ally/puppet of Iran, and weakening Hamas, or even just forcing i it to step back from the brink for its own survival despite that not being in Irans interest, is a way of demonstrating Israels strength relative to Iran. Doing so when oil is low, is a good idea.
Arab reaction? Word from Israel is that they got a wink and a nod from Egypt and Jordan (Livni was in Egypt a couple of days before) neither has withdrawn its diplos from Tel Aviv.
The usual arab street elements will make faces.
So far the targets of value vs the collateral damage ratio seems to have been exceptionally good. Advantage of tactical surprise.
I dont know if they will go in the ground in a big way. Im inclined to think they wont, but I dont really know.
I note that PA officials are said to have said they are ready to go back into Gaza if Hamas falls. I dont think Israel would object if that happened, but I dont think they are counting on it, and its very good that they are NOT announcing that as a goal.
If Hamas survives but is severely chastened, that would be good too.
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Happy Hanukkah, liberalhawk! I hope you didn't lose too much Hanukkah gelt playing dreydl with the little ones... and that this time Israel makes all our fondest dreams come true.
The specter of a military invasion on Friday hung over Hamas-run Gaza Strip, where two children were killed as Palestinian militants fired more rockets despite Israeli threats of harsh retaliation.
Two girls, one aged five and the other 12, were killed when their house in northern Gaza was hit by a rocket which witnesses said was apparently fired by Palestinian militants targeting southern Israel. Four other family members were wounded.
The casualties came amid mounting speculation that the Israeli military would soon launch an operation in the Gaza Strip, which most media said would probably be limited in scope and not a full-scale invasion.
"Army preparing for combined ground, air operation in Gaza," declared the front-page headline in Israel's Haaretz.
Violence in and around the Palestinian enclave has flared since a six-month cease-fire ended on December 19, and escalated dramatically on Wednesday when militants fired more than 80 rockets and mortar rounds after Israel launched deadly air strikes over the coastal strip. On Friday, 13 rockets and mortar shells hit southern Israel, causing no casualties but damaging a house that was unoccupied at the time.
Israel had responded to earlier retaliatory rocket attacks by tightening the blockade it has imposed since the Islamist Hamas won democratic elections in 2006 and then seized power in Gaza in June 2007.
But officials said dozens of truckloads of supplies were delivered to Gaza on Friday after Israel decided to temporarily allow humanitarian aid into the impoverished territory. At the same time, the Israeli government issued dire warnings to Gaza militants, saying it would strike back hard if attacks continue.
"I will not hesitate to use Israel's strength to strike at Hamas and Islamic Jihad," Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in an interview with Al-Arabiya television on Thursday, adding ominously that "tens of thousands of children and innocents" would be at risk "as a result of Hamas' actions."
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Gaza braces for invasion as Barak threatens children
Palestinian militants fired 22 mortar shells from the Gaza Strip overnight Thursday and early morning Friday, as the Israel Defense Forces continued its preparations for military action in Gaza.
The mortars struck the Western Negev, damaging one building. No one was hurt in any of the incidents.
Reportedly, a "limited operation" will begin within days that will combine an air attack with some ground operations against Hamas and other Gaza terror groups.
The cabinet has given the go-ahead for an operation of a few days' duration with clearly defined goals.
Meanwhile, Israel renewed its transfer of humanitarian aid into the Gaza
Strip on Friday.
The IDF said the first of approximately 90 trucks had started to deliver medicine, fuel, cooking gas and other vital goods into Gaza. The shipment includes a large donation of goods from Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's wife.
On Sunday, the prime minister will hold a series of consultations ahead of a possible military action in the Strip. No major move will apparently be made until these discussions have concluded.
In statements Thursday, senior security officials were unwavering. "Anyone who harms Israeli citizens and soldiers will pay the price," Defense Minister Ehud Barak said.
IDF Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi, speaking at the graduation of a pilots' training course at Hazerim Air Force Base, said, "We will have to use all of our might against the terror infrastructure and create a different security reality around the Gaza Strip."
Israel is planning a relatively short operation that will cause maximum damage to Hamas "assets." The defense establishment says the operation would not necessarily limit itself to stopping rocket launches and that during the operation, daily massive rocket launches can be expected. Hamas might fire rockets with a range beyond the 20 kilometers it has used so far.
By evening Thursday, seven rockets and nine mortars had been fired from the Gaza Strip, as opposed to 70 mortars and rockets shot the day before. One Grad rocket landed south of Ashkelon. There were no injuries or damage.
Despite the rockets, Barak opened the crossings this morning for the passage of food and medicine. Although Hamas operatives are behind most of the rocket launches, Palestinian sources in the Strip said Thursday that the Islamist group still wants to renew the cease-fire.
The sources said Hamas is under pressure by Gaza residents and other factions to significantly improve the terms of the cease-fire, particularly regarding the opening of the crossings in light of the increased distress of the civilian population.
The sources warned that an Israeli ground operation would result in many civilian casualties in Gaza, especially in the refugee camps.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert Thursday called on Gazans to overthrow Hamas.
"We do not want to fight the Palestinian people, but we will not allow Hamas to hurt our children," Olmert said in an interview with Al-Arabiya television. He added Israel had great power but does not wish to use it.
Meanwhile, in the Gaza Strip Thursday there were long lines at bakeries, and sales were limited to NIS 3 worth of bread, less than a large family needs per day. Electrical power and water was cut several times Thursday. Cooking is difficult due to a gas shortage.
"It is impossible to live like this," a Gaza man told Haaretz. We have to come to some resolution - either a full cease-fire or full-scale fighting with Israel."
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They threaten Hamas and open the borders. That doesn't make a bit of sense.
GAZA/Tel Aviv - Israel on Friday gave Hamas and other Palestinian militant factions in the Gaza Strip 48 hours to reduce ongoing rocket and mortar attacks from the salient or risk an Israeli military operation into the strip.
For the first time in 10 days, Israel opened its border crossings with the Gaza Strip Friday morning to allow in essential humanitarian supplies.
If Hamas, the radical Islamist movement ruling the Gaza Strip, responds by reducing rocket and mortar attacks from the strip, Israel will put off a military operation, officials said.
Speaking on an Arabic television station popular in the Gaza Strip, Israeli caretaker Prime Minister Ehud Olmert issued what he said was a last-minute call to stop the rocket attacks and avoid bloodshed.
Egypt, meanwhile, was making efforts to curb the escalation in Gaza, a day after Tzipi Livni traveled to Cairo Thursday for talks with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. Egyptian Intelligence Chief Omar Suleiman spoke on the telephone with Hamas de-facto foreign minister in Gaza, Mahmoud al-Zahar, Israel Radio reported Friday. The broadcaster added that Egypt had also beefed up its forces along its border with the Gaza Strip, fearing Palestinians may try to breach the border should Israel attack. A spokesman in Cairo would not confirm.
Livni told Mubarak Thursday that enough is enough and that Hamas was mistaken if it thought that its rocket and mortar attacks would improve the conditions of a six-month, Egyptian-mediated truce, which expired one week ago.
Hamas has said it is interested in a new truce, but wants improved terms. In particular, it opposes conditioning the opening of Israels border crossings with the complete cessation of rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip.
Attacks from the salient continued Friday, with militants launching at least 10 mortar shells and two rockets into southern Israel by the afternoon, a military spokesman said.
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There are no "civilian" targets in Gaza. Line up the 155s wheel-hub to wheel-hub, and start firing. When there's nothing left higher than a 3-foot pile of rubble, stop. Wait to see if anyone crawls out of the rubble, and ask them if they are willing to live in peace with Israel as a neighbor. If they say yes, then start working to help them recover. If they say no, go back to step one and begin all over. Sooner or later, there will either be no one to talk to, or the survivors will sue for peace under any terms, including accepting the right of Israel to exist. If the "world" protests, tell them to blow it out their nether ports.
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isn't the idea of a siege to deny supplies to the enemy so they lose the will to fight?
Israel is doing it backwards... they are teaching the enemy that they can do without, and giving them supplies often enough that they never give up
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electricity off, blow the sewage dam, let Egypt deal with them
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One of the reasons I had to come back here, was cause I knew there'd be something negative about opening the border, and I figured it would still be up after the op had started. Of course I wouldnt have guessed myself what it meant, and its perfectly understandable after 2006 to doubt israels ability to pull off a deception like this (and of course this op isnt over yet) but at this point Barak is looking smart.
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