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-Short Attention Span Theater-
VDH SPeech at UC Berkeley (hat tip LGF) - He Rocks
Posted by: .com || 04/09/2004 22:23 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  VDH / Rice 2008.
Posted by: .com || 04/09/2004 23:33 Comments || Top||


The Perfect Neo-con T-Shirt
I want to send one of these to Wolfowitz.
Posted by: growler || 04/09/2004 3:54:41 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yikes! Son O'Gawd and and his secret identity ZimmerMan! Wonder ifin I could get 'em front and back.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/09/2004 16:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Speaking of T-shirts, take a look at this one.
Posted by: GK || 04/09/2004 17:03 Comments || Top||

#3  Donations to the "Buy Boris a Shirt" fund?
Posted by: Dar || 04/09/2004 17:31 Comments || Top||

#4  LOL Dar, if you can get him to promise to wear it to his skinhead meetings, I'll chip in.
Posted by: GK || 04/09/2004 17:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Shatner - Canadian and Jew? Who'd a thunk it
Posted by: Frank G || 04/09/2004 18:43 Comments || Top||

#6  I want one of Bush's t-shirts!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 04/09/2004 19:03 Comments || Top||

#7  Frank G:

You remind me of this old barber I got once in the NYC hotel where James Dean lived for a while.

He started chatting me up. "Lorne Green used to live here," he said.

"Really?"

"Yep." Then, for no apparent reason, he went on: "He was a Canadian Jew, ya know."
Posted by: growler || 04/09/2004 19:08 Comments || Top||

#8  ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 04/09/2004 19:15 Comments || Top||

#9  GK, the only problem w/that Bush shirt is that it should say "bending over forwards".
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/09/2004 21:06 Comments || Top||


Anyone have a link/source of Gore even mentioning Al Qaeda in a speech in 2000?
I may be a horrible researcher, but I can’t find a reference to Al Qaeda and Al Gore during the 2000 presidential campaign except for the USS Cole which is a different matter.
Posted by: Lou || 04/09/2004 12:09:48 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I think he took credit for inventing it
Posted by: Frank G || 04/09/2004 19:20 Comments || Top||


Carter "speaks in tongues out" again.
Posted in short attention span theater for a reason.
Former President Carter on Thursday called the Bush administration’s decision to wage war against Iraq "ill-advised and unnecessary," adding the resulting campaign "has turned out to be a tragedy."
Oh.
The former Democratic president also said Bush’s environmental policies are perhaps the worst in the nation’s history. Carter made the comments at the Rio R.V. Park after wrapping up a four-day birding trip with his wife, Rosalynn, in the lower Rio Grande Valley.
Boring persons with a boring hobby
"President Bush’s war was ill-advised and unnecessary and based on erroneous statements,
Proof please
and has turned out to be a tragedy," Carter said. "And my prayer has been that brave young American men and women, and others who are there, that their lives will be spared and there will be some peaceful resolution of the war." Carter, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002,
Another great blooper of the Nobel comitee
also blamed what he called Bush’s pro-Israel policies for engendering animosity against America.
pro-Israel policies where never nessecary to engender animosity towards America
"The prime source of animosity towards the United States is the lack of progress in dealing with the Palestinian issue," Carter said, adding that past U.S. administrations since Harry Truman’s have maintained a "balanced position" in dealing with the rights of the Arab population within the Jewish nation. "The present administration has not done so at all. We have been exclusively committed to the policies of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Israel, and have made no effort to try to have a balanced negotiating position between Israel and the Palestinians," Carter said. Carter, who brokered the historic 1978 Camp David accords that led to peace? between Israel and Egypt, noted that President George H.W. Bush threatened to halt foreign aid when Israel began building settlements in Palestinian territory. "In the meantime, of course, the Israelis have established hundreds of settlements all over Palestinian land with no critical comment ever coming from the present Bush administration," Carter said.

Carter, who placed 103 million acres of Alaskan land under federal protection during his term, also took the current White House to task on the environment. "This national administration is the worst for conservation in my lifetime, maybe in history," said Carter, whose family has farmed peanuts in Georgia since 1833. "In all the basic elements of preserving the purity of parks and wildlife lands, controlling the industries that are inclined to pollute ... the decimation of forest lands."
Posted by: Evert Visser in NL || 04/09/2004 11:40:14 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I hate the word 'balance' and anyone who thinks it represents a coherent (and never mind moral or rational) way of dealing with the world. Too many examples of its sheer ludicrousness come to mind. I would like to send a suicide bomber to Carter's house such that he can give us a practical demonstration of balance. Perhaps he can achieve balance by letting only half his family be blown up.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/09/2004 11:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Send a suicide rabbit. A vicious one. I find it wonderfully ironic that he was talking about the environment to people in an RV park...some of the biggest gas guzzlers on the road. But as we all know, pointing out faults of Carter is far easier than wrestling lollipops from infants.
Posted by: Ol_Dirty_American || 04/09/2004 12:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Ok, let's put it into small words so the Georgia Genius can "get it".
The air and water are cleaner now then when you were president. That's why you can go see the pretty birdies on your trip.
The people blowing themselves up aren't the evil Joooooos. (Put your copy of "The Protocols of Zion" down, Jimmy. It's not real. The Russians wrote it.)
The Joooooos are pulling out of the occupied territories. They have had enough of Arafat's crap, even though you haven't.
(Yeah, I know.....wasting my time......)

Posted by: Desert Blondie || 04/09/2004 12:52 Comments || Top||

#4  Jimmy Carter...Why does he hate us?
Posted by: remote man || 04/09/2004 12:54 Comments || Top||

#5  Dhimmi Carter - America's answer to Jacques Chiraq. Why can't that man simply dry up and blow away? I have to admit, he's made his mark in American History - he's finally surpassed Franklin Pierce as the most useless of US Presidents.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/09/2004 13:00 Comments || Top||

#6  Ah, Dhimmi Carter who put into motion 25 years of mega terrorism by pushing out the Shah of Iran.

http://www.nationalreview.com/impromptus/impromptus050302.asp

No one quite realizes just how passionately anti-Israel Carter is. William Safire has reported that Cyrus Vance acknowledged that, if he had had a second term, Carter would have sold Israel down the river.

But here is Carter, to Douglas Brinkley, Carter’s biographer and analyst: “The intifada exposed the injustice Palestinians suffered, just like Bull Connor’s mad dogs in Birmingham.”

In The Unfinished Presidency, Brinkley writes, “There was no world leader Jimmy Carter was more eager to know than Yasir Arafat.”

At their first meeting — in 1990 — Carter boasted of his toughness toward Israel, assuring Arafat at one point, “. . . you should not be concerned that I am biased. I am much more harsh with the Israelis.” Arafat, for his part, railed against the Reagan administration and its alleged “betrayals.” Rosalynn Carter, taking notes for her husband, interjected, “You don’t have to convince us!”


Much more Carter silliness at the link.
Posted by: ed || 04/09/2004 13:04 Comments || Top||

#7  No, Jimmah- it was your presidency that "turned out to be a trajedy"
Posted by: Craig || 04/09/2004 13:22 Comments || Top||

#8  As a birdwatcher myself, I take great offense at the characterization of it as boring.
Posted by: Korora || 04/09/2004 14:02 Comments || Top||

#9  As a birdwatcher myself, I take great offense at the characterization of it as boring.
Posted by: Korora || 04/09/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#10  Why can't that man simply dry up and blow away? I have to admit, he's made his mark in American History - he's finally surpassed Franklin Pierce as the most useless of US Presidents
im thinking you are wrong.
Posted by: mv buren || 04/09/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#11  yeah! you say it korora!
Posted by: muck4doo || 04/09/2004 14:05 Comments || Top||

#12  > But as we all know, pointing out faults of Carter
> is far easier than wrestling lollipops from
> infants.

Have you ever tried taking candy from a baby? Baby doesn't care that it'll spoil her supper, baby wants that lollipop!
Posted by: James || 04/09/2004 16:51 Comments || Top||

#13  Touche! I stand corrected James. Add with earplugs on to my orginal statement.
Posted by: Ol_Dirty_American || 04/09/2004 19:47 Comments || Top||

#14  My theory is that Jimmy Carter dedicated his life to restoring Neville Chamberlain's reputation. He's doing a damned good job of it, by the way.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 04/09/2004 22:50 Comments || Top||

#15  "...the decimation of forest lands."

Has this idiot seen the ANWR? If there's anything growing over 6" tall, I'll eat it.

I don't think we've ever had a worse ex-President. Even Clinton just mugs for the camera now and again, but otherwise had shut up.
Posted by: Jackal || 04/09/2004 22:51 Comments || Top||


Girl, 9, ’Cuffed For Rabbit Heist
A 9-year-old girl accused of stealing a rabbit and $10 from a neighbor’s home was arrested, handcuffed and questioned at a Florida police station.
Good, my guess is that the kid wil never try burglary again
A Pasco County sheriff’s deputy found the black-and-white rabbit, named Oreo, hopping around in the girl’s living room, according to the arrest report. She was read her rights and taken away in the back of a patrol car. The girl began to cry during questioning Tuesday. She admitted taking the rabbit belonging to another child, but denied taking two $5 bills and some change, according to reports. "I think this is a little unusual to say the very least," Cecka Green of Voices for Florida’s Children said. Yadayadayada blah blah blah "To treat children as hardened criminals, when back in the old days that may have just been seen as mischief
Sorry miss Green but this is definitely Burglary
that could have been handled by the parents, can contribute to some problems with our kids in this society." Sheriff’s spokesman Kevin Doll defended the arrest, and said if the victim of a crime wants an arrest, deputies are required to act if there is enough evidence. "Somebody entered a residence without permission and stole money and a pet rabbit. That’s burglary," Doll told the St. Petersburg Times. "I don’t know what other explanation you need. Nine years old is enough to know right from wrong." Lori Ventura, the mother of the child who owns the rabbit, said the girl has been involved in other incidents and needs help.
Cecka Green does ignore this as most of the soft healers usually do
The girl was released to her mother from a juvenile assessment center about an hour after her arrest, which she said was scary.
Good
She also didn’t like the deputy.
Very Good
"He put one handcuff on me really tight," she said Thursday. In the patrol car, "He just stared at me in the mirror."
Posted by: Evert Visser in NL || 04/09/2004 11:27:36 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Bet they have written policy, everyone that gets arrested gets cuffed. That takes the burden off arresting officer, he can't be accused of favoring one suspect and abusing another. Plus, some of the most dangerous perps look like innocent little choir boys. Everyone cuffed saves cops lives.
Posted by: Steve || 04/09/2004 11:35 Comments || Top||

#2  Think about it--if a third-grade girl steals a rabbit, (we're talking a rabbit, here) --what does that say about what's going on in her life, in her home, at school?

According to my training (in Early Childhood Education/ and because I'm a mom), red flags are going up. Obviously the child is desperate and lonely, ("Lori Ventura, the mother of the child who owns the rabbit, said the girl has been involved in other incidents and needs help.") Unhappily, she has just learned that she can't trust authority figures, thanks to the way the cops handled it. (Handcuffs are okay as a general policy--it's the intimidation I'm thinking about).

Hopefully someone else in authority, with a brain, talked to her about what's going on. She's obviously shouting out for help, and is most likely a victim of child abuse. (Duh.)

Hey, mucky! Until she gets this straightened out, better keep your gerbil under lock and key.
Posted by: ex-lib || 04/09/2004 12:18 Comments || Top||

#3  Book 'er Danno. Bunny burglary one.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 04/09/2004 12:29 Comments || Top||

#4  Ex-lib -- put a sock in it. There's not enough information here to make a good estimate of what's going on, much less even an attempt at diagnosis. One of the things I learned about early childhood development from some REAL experts is that children that act like this are looking for LIMITS. They need them, they strive for them, and they keep seeking them. Stealing is one way they try to find where the limits are. Notice how senseless the crime is - she stole a very obvious object - a pet rabbit - from her NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR! She expected to get caught. This young lady pushed the limits expecting to get caught, and when she did, found that it can be SCAREY crossing them. That's a GOOD thing - she may not test those limits quite so hard again. She was frightened, but she wasn't harmed. It's that old "Cause-->effect" thing in action. It's also a good thing, because NOW the cops have a legitimate reason for putting Mom under the microscope (notice there's no mention of a dad...), and for bringing Social Services into the picture. That can be either a good thing or a bad thing, depending on the quality of social services in Pasco County.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/09/2004 13:12 Comments || Top||

#5  man this left wing political correctness bullshit has gone too far. no child that age should ever (unless murder) be treated like this. what happened to the good old days when neighbors actually talked and settled petty things like this.

i am surprised and a, I must say, a little ashamed at the pro lock up the little girl responses. come on people this has gone too far.
Posted by: Dan || 04/09/2004 13:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Let's not tell M4D about this incident.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/09/2004 14:04 Comments || Top||

#7  "Let's not tell M4D about this incident."

Seeing as muck4doo is a running joke from one of IMAO's satires…
Posted by: Korora || 04/09/2004 14:10 Comments || Top||

#8  OP: I wasn't making a "diagnosis." Sheesh! And thank you for making my day so much brighter by denigrating my intelligence, education, and level of expertise. Guess I'm not a "REAL" expert, as you put it, so I'll just share some more uninformed, nannering idiocy now, and save the sock for later.

True, we don't have all the facts of the case, but what she did indicates that something more is going on than merely "testing limits." The fact that it was a rabbit that she took, would, in most, but not all cases, point to the loneliness factor--trouble at home or at school, or maybe in the neighborhood. Kids who are testing limits, normatively, at this age, typically steal things like candy bars or small trinkets from stores, often in pairs. That's a different dynamic. In those cases, a big "scare" from the police usually is enough to steer them in another direction. In more complicated situations, though, a huge intervention like that can make things worse.

The fact that there also is something habitual happening with this little girl, indicates cause for concern because her actions fall outside the natural scope of boundary, and boundary enforcement, explorations. You may argue that she keeps doing things because she's still testing limits and hasn't gotten her answer yet. Well, why does she have to keep testing limits? What's going on in her life that makes that a recurring theme?

Beyond that, we don't know anything--you're right. There are many things that could be happening, which is why I posed the question in the first sentence. (Heck, maybe the lady's kids are being mean to her and she's fighting back, or maybe they were being mean to the rabbit. Or maybe she likes the lady and "knew" the lady would help her, somehow, if she just took the rabbit.)

It sounds like the lady who called the police may have wanted to get authorities involved for the little girl's sake, rather than to punish. But, as you pointed out, getting her help through that avenue will depend on the quality of help available through the Social Services department.
Posted by: ex-lib || 04/09/2004 14:56 Comments || Top||

#9  You don't believe in M4D Korora? BTW saw first SOB Blue Jay today.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/09/2004 16:07 Comments || Top||

#10  One thing to remember, I think, is that juvenile law is supposed to be rehabilitative -- not retributive. IMO, this is the exception, as I generally disagree with the concept of the punishment of crime as rehabilitative -- except where juveniles are concerned. Juveniles are still forming their identities and behaviors, which can be shaped with proper guidance and support. Adults are “done,” and studies routinely show huge recidivism rates, regardless of intervention strategies (with best results, IIRC, being with faith based initiatives).

Just on the face of it, this is pretty pathetic -- a kid steals the neighbor’s rabbit? That is a cry for help, and I hope she gets it.
Posted by: cingold || 04/09/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#11  First of all, why, oh why, didn't they just have the parents give the bunny back?!

I mean, what are they going to do?

Officer: "You are under arrest for bunny theft. Put your hands behind your back, anything you say can, and will be used against you in a court of law."

Oh, I know--(later in the interrogation room)--

Officer: "Now tell us. What'd you do with the grass!"
Posted by: FED UP || 04/10/2004 0:39 Comments || Top||


Dad of 37 calls for free vasectomies
An Argentinian father of 37 is campaigning for free vasectomies. Cleto Ruiz Diaz, who lives with three partners and all 37 children in a two-bedroom apartment, said he doesn’t want any more children.
They’re stacked to the ceiling as it is
Seems like it'd be cost effective for him to pay for his own. Either that, or put the thing away and forget about it.
He is calling on the local government in the province of Corrientes to allow public hospitals to perform free vasectomies. Mr Diaz told Las Ultimas Noticias: "It is not only the women’s responsibility, men can help too and I don’t want to keep on having children."
Maybe Europe should import him to try and halt the falling birth rate, that is expected to lead to a population collapse there soon.
Local MP Gustavo Alvarez is supporting his call for a new law to make free vasectomies available in the province.
Posted by: tipper || 04/09/2004 1:30:17 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Cleto Ruiz Diaz, who lives with three partners and all 37 children in a two-bedroom apartment ...

Sounds like a child abuse case to me.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/09/2004 2:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Somebody needs to tackle that guy and give him a "free vasectomy" immediately. He's a walking population explosion. Shouldn't the village idiot have projected that he might run into an industrial size dirty diaper problem between the time he invited companion number 2 and companion number 3 to shack on up in the old economy?
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/09/2004 3:26 Comments || Top||

#3  he shuld learn pull out faster. im hating to see the line to there bathroom in the morning.
Posted by: muck4doo || 04/09/2004 9:59 Comments || Top||

#4  [Troll droppings deleted]
Posted by: Man Bites Dog TROLL || 04/09/2004 10:08 Comments || Top||

#5  Yes, fixcats.com contains the gem 'neutering tomcats prevents testiticular cancer'. And decapitation prevents headaches. I think I liked the commando chicks better.
Posted by: Lux || 04/09/2004 10:13 Comments || Top||

#6  As Groucho once commented: "I love my cigar, but I take it out of my mouth every now and then."
Posted by: mojo || 04/09/2004 10:59 Comments || Top||

#7  Vow of celibacy, anyone? It's cheaper than surgery.

Failing that, ever heard of Black & decker?
Posted by: Mike || 04/09/2004 12:17 Comments || Top||

#8  Cleto Ruiz Diaz, who lives with three partners and all 37 children in a two-bedroom apartment, said he doesn’t want any more children.

Man, that place must look like the Catholic house in "Monty Python's Guide to Life". I just keep imagining that scene where the mother just drops a kid on the floor, and asks one of the other kids to pick it up for her, cause she's too tired to pick it up herself.

Posted by: Desert Blondie || 04/09/2004 13:02 Comments || Top||

#9  [Troll droppings deleted]
Posted by: Man Bites Dog TROLL || 04/09/2004 10:08 Comments || Top||

#10  Everyone should notice that muck4doo always includes an appropriate website in his comment.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester TROLL || 04/09/2004 10:08 Comments || Top||


NATO’s Lithuanian discovery: excess demand = inflationary pricing
EFL - weapons free on economic jokes
Prostitutes are charging NATO troops dispatched to this Baltic state more than three times as much money as Lithuanian clients, police said Thursday. In recent days, prostitutes have been arriving in the city of Siauliai, where 100 NATO soldiers are stationed, part of a team to service four Belgian F-16s that patrol the skies above Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, Police Commissioner General Vytautas Grigaravicius told reporters. He said that the sex workers were hiking their rates for the Western troops, who come from Belgium and Norway. "Prostitutes take $35 an hour from Lithuanian citizens, while NATO troops are asked to pay $125 an hour," he said, calling it a clear case of discrimination. Prostitution is illegal in the country of 3.5 million residents. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were inducted into the U.S.-led alliance on March 29 along with four other ex-communist countries.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/09/2004 12:44:09 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ok, I have three thoughts on this story.
1) Those Balts sure are catching on to this capitalism thing, aren't they? ;P
2) That would be one hell of a rap sheet....getting busted for prostitution AND discrimination.
3) Just how many hookers do you need to keep 100 NATO soldiers busy?
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 04/09/2004 1:35 Comments || Top||

#2  DB, I can only say that I am a proponent of Supply-side economics in many case.... but not this one. :-)

As for how many exactly, I shall paraphase Adam Smith - the rosy palm of the invisible hand x 25 carry the 3 ....
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/09/2004 3:20 Comments || Top||

#3  Nothing new here.
Anyone from U.S. Forces Korea could tell you all about variable "service fees". some of my friends who were stationed in the benelux have similar stories. Welcome to the big leages.
Posted by: N Guard || 04/09/2004 9:19 Comments || Top||

#4  I went to the American school in Brussels back in the 80's. There was a brothel just up the street. Mom could never understand why the cost of lunch at school just kept going up and up. We had multiple senior class trips that year, albeit short ones.
Posted by: Zpaz || 04/09/2004 11:17 Comments || Top||

#5  LOL Zpaz. That's just plain damn funny.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/09/2004 16:10 Comments || Top||


Mexican Woman Performs Own Caesarian to Save Baby
This is one tough mamasita!
A woman in Mexico gave birth to a healthy baby boy after performing a Caesarian section on herself with a kitchen knife, doctors said Tuesday.
Yikes!
The unidentified 40-year-old woman, who lived in a rural area without electricity, running water or sanitation and was an eight-hour drive from the nearest hospital, performed the operation when she could not deliver the baby naturally. She had lost a previous baby due to labor complications. "She took three small glasses of hard liquor and, using a kitchen knife, sliced her abdomen in three attempts ... and delivered a male infant that breathed immediately and cried," said Dr R.F. Valle, of the Dr. Manuel Velasco Suarez Hospital in San Pablo, Mexico.
Three small glasses of hard liquor? I don’t think I could do this if you poured a distillery down my throat.
Valle recounted the event in a report in the International Journal of Gynecology and Obstetrics. Before losing consciousness, the woman told one of her children to call a local nurse for help. After the nurse stitched the wound with a sewing needle and cotton thread, the mother and baby were transferred and treated by Valle and his colleagues at the nearest hospital. "This case represents an unusual and extraordinary decision by a women in labor who, unable to deliver herself spontaneously, and with no medical help or resources, decided to perform a Caesarian section upon herself," Valle said.
Well, I got a nasty paper cut today. It really hurt.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/09/2004 12:11:39 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I don’t think I could do this if you poured a distillery down my throat.

Men are such wusses. :-)
Posted by: Steve White || 04/09/2004 0:17 Comments || Top||

#2  You sound like my wife. And my sisters. And my mother.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/09/2004 0:20 Comments || Top||

#3  tu3031: And they'd all be right. :-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 04/09/2004 1:30 Comments || Top||

#4  I don’t think I could do this if you poured a distillery down my throat

Since I am male I doubt any quantity of liquor would allow me to deliver a baby.
Posted by: JFM || 04/09/2004 3:57 Comments || Top||

#5  As soon as she gets back on her feet - sign her up!! We could use a woman w/that kind of grit. F*cking hard core. Hope they take good care of her and the nino.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/09/2004 9:13 Comments || Top||

#6  "Ooooh! That's gotta hurt!"
Posted by: mojo || 04/09/2004 11:01 Comments || Top||

#7  Before losing consciousness, the woman told one of her children to call a local nurse for help.
im thinking maybe she shuld have try that first.
Posted by: muck4doo || 04/09/2004 13:16 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
China seen as showing lack of savvy in Hong Kong
2004-04-09 / Agence France-Presse /
China’s decision to strangle control the pace of political reforms in Hong Kong is a reflection of the difficulty it has in comprehending stomaching the rise of democracy in both Taiwan and the former British colony, analysts say. The ruling by China’s legislature Tuesday that any electoral change in Hong Kong must first get its approval would also sound the deathknell of the "one country, one system two systems" formula that Beijing wants to use in retaking Taiwan, they say. "This is an issue that has to do with the Chinese kleptocracy leadership and how they approach stealing politics," said Joseph Cheng, noted China scholar at the City University of Hong Kong. "Basically their frame of mind is that they cannot accept any situation in which they do not have control. This is not conducive to democracy," he told AFP.

A lack of control has pushed communist leaders in Beijing to use brutal extreme measures when confronted with democracy, often to disastrous effect and to international condemnation, he said. The bloody slaughter quelling of the 1989 Tiananmen democracy protests is probably the best example of Beijing’s extreme distaste for democracy, he added. China’s lack of sh!t for brains savvy in electoral politics was also highlighted during the 1996 and 2000 presidential vote in Taiwan, when it blackmailed shocked the region by using war games and missile tests in an attempt to extort sway people away from pro-independence candidates. The result was just the opposite. Voters flocked to candidates opposed to Beijing’s overtures for reunification, most notably President Chen Shui-bian, who was re-elected in the island’s third presidential election last month. Now Beijing is betting that by stifling Hong Kong’s aspiration for electoral reforms, political turmoil of the kind that erupted in the former colony last summer would be quelled, Cheng said. "The situation in Hong Kong and Taiwan are very different," said Wong Ka-ying, a specialist on China-Taiwan dynamics at the Chinese University in Hong Kong. "In Hong Kong, Beijing has used its control through legal methods to stop democratic reform, but this legal aspect does not exist in its relations with Taiwan."
Thank goodness!
Beijing views Taiwan as a renegade province and has threatened war if it ever formally declared independence. Formerly British-ruled Hong Kong reverted to Chinese sovereignty in 1997, to be governed under the "one country, one system two systems" formula. Whereas China can use its legislature to stop Hong Kong democracy, in the absence of sabre-rattling, Beijing has had to resort to pressure on countries like the United States to curb Taiwan’s calls for independence, he said. This has led to grave uncertainties in the Taiwan issue, Wong said. "With the re-election of Chen Shui-bian and amid US presidential elections this year, Beijing has to decide to either ratchet up a harder response against Taiwan or to cave in with a more moderate response," Wong said. "A military response cannot be counted out." Said American advisers.

China is likely to hold its fire on the Taiwan issue until after Chen’s inauguration on May 20 or even until after the December parliamentary elections, Wong said. Beijing may also seek to help pro-China figures get elected, in the hope that a legislative bloc could be formed to stop any move by Chen toward Taiwan independence, he said. For Hong Kong, China’s goal is to put an end to a noisy democracy debate that has led to calls for the removal of Beijing-appointed Chief Executive Tung Chee-hwa, Wong said. However, City University’s Cheng said this would be difficult to achieve. "Hong Kong democrats are already planning a march for this July 1 and they want at least as many people on the streets as last year," when more than 500,000 marched. "Beijing also has to worry about September legislative elections (in Hong Kong) in which pro-Beijing parties could do very badly because of this," Cheng said Moreover, the heavy-handed measures on Hong Kong will mean an end to Beijing’s efforts to woo Taiwan, Cheng said.
Whoa, the canary just died!
"This is the price Beijing has had to pay, if there is no democracy in Hong Kong it is obvious that the ’one country, one system two systems’ will have no appeal in Taiwan," he said.
And so, little Hong Kong was put to bed and never, ever heard from again.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/09/2004 4:10:08 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If they let HK get away with real democracy, pretty soon the peasants in Zinghua start asking why they can't vote - and then the CCP is toast.
Posted by: mojo || 04/09/2004 11:15 Comments || Top||

#2  so much for taiwan voluntarily re-joining china proper. these chicoms really do not understand and are shooting themselves in the foot. they will not be able to take taiwan by force for at least 10 years and then i am sure taiwan will have nukes. either way it will be a very bloody turkey shoot.
Posted by: Dan || 04/09/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Complicated situation for that tiny little city. I've worked there before, during, and after the handover. Strictly speaking HK was never a democracy governed by HKese. It went strait from a British colony to Chinese rule.
Posted by: Chiner || 04/09/2004 20:02 Comments || Top||


Europe
Meanwhile in Amsterdam, Let’s Mutilate Our Children
For the first time in the Netherlands, a mosque has come out in support of female circumcision. The highly controversial statement on circumcision comes from a pamphlet "Fatwas of Muslim Women" provided by the El Tawheed mosque in Amsterdam for its open day. The pamphlet says that women who lie deserve 100 blows and the husband’s duty of care for his wife is negated if she refuses him sex or leaves the home without his permission. There have been many claims in the media in recent years about "imported brides" who are forced by their husbands to stay in the family home — unless accompanied outside by a male relative. Some of these women, it is claimed, live in total isolation from Dutch society. The call for girls to be circumcised — removing part of the female genitalia — is likely to cause the biggest outcry so far. If done right, the mosque’s pamphlet claims, circumcision is healthy for both boys and girls. But unlike male circumcision — in which the mosque claims that for reasons of hygiene, the male’s foreskin can be circumcised — there are absolutely no medical grounds for female circumcision.
Islamist Imams just like to play with little girl’s bottoms
Nevertheless, it urges that the foreskin of a girl’s clitoris should be removed, but not the clitoris itself — as is often wrongly assumed to be the case. Removing the foreskin would help the woman keep her feelings of lust under control, the pamphlet says.
I know it’s just me...But I’ve never wanted to keep a woman’s feelings of lust under control...lol. In truth, I hope for just the opposite!
In recent weeks, politicians have called for the Dutch government to do more to stop the practice among immigrant communities. To date, the Health Ministry has ruled out compulsory checks on girls to make sure they have not been circumcised.
That's certainly looking out for the interests of little girls...
Ironically, El Tawheed Mosque organised the open day to counteract negative publicity caused by previous controversial statements made by one of its imams which were condemned as fostering anti-western and anti-woman bias. In one highly-publicised occasion, an imam referred to non-Muslims as "firewood for hell" and he forbade Islamic women to leave the family home without the permission of their husbands.
It is really nice to see men (?) so self-confident in their sexuality that they have to mutilate their female children to feel secure about themelves....
Posted by: Traveller || 04/09/2004 2:28:24 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I just don't get why these dude are so hung up on virgins that can't feel anything.

Give me a slutty biker chick that can suck a golfball through a garden hose anyday over a fumbling, desensitised virgin!
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 04/09/2004 10:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Give me a slutty biker chick that can suck a golfball through a garden hose

Humm, sounds like YS is channeling Bill Clinton today.
Posted by: Steve || 04/09/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#3  A woman who's desensitized to sex isn't going to cheat on her worthless hubby because sex with another man would be just as dull and numb. They're nothing but domestic servants and baby factories for more jihadis.

How 'bout we make a deal: You can circumsize your women but you must castrate your men at the same time.
Posted by: Dar || 04/09/2004 11:42 Comments || Top||

#4  I remember when I first researched this topic, I was freaked out for about a month. It's very disturbing, and is one more reason for the WOT in my opinion! Infibulation is an evil war of terror which has been waged against little girls for too long. It must be stopped.

If such devilish ignorance is to be overcome, access to education is a big concern. If the West wins the WOT, there is a better chance for the right information to reach the people who need it. Backward cultures need other ideas about how to live--which, itself, is another big problem: "these women, it is claimed, live in total isolation from Dutch society . . ."

The facts are worse than the Amsterdam post intimates. Unfortunately, the practice is common in Africa and in many parts of the Middle East and in some (Islamic) Asian countries. For those on Rantburg who don't know what female cicumcision is--a quick intro is provided below, or , please direct to link. (Fran P. Hosken is one of the best researchers in the field and a strong advocate against female circumcision. ) The book, Desert Flower, by supermodel Waris Dirie, is excellent, as well--details her personal journey from Africa to London. (Talk about one tough lady!) Dirie, herself a victim of FGM, is now an outspoken representative against the practice.

Description of Infibulation:

'The little girl, entirely nude, is immobilised in the sitting position on a low stool by at least three women. One of them with her arms tightly around the little girl's chest; two others hold the child's thighs apart by force, in order to open wide the vulva. The child's arms are tied behind her back, or immobilized by two other women guests. The traditional operator says a short prayer: "Allah is great and Mahomet is His Prophet. May Allah keep away all evils." Then she spreads on the floor some offerings to Allah: split maize, or, in urban areas, eggs. Then the old woman takes her razor and excises the clitoris. The infibulation follows: the operator cuts with her razor from top to bottom of the small lip and then scrapes the flesh from the inside of the large lip. This nymphectomy and scraping are repeated on the other side of the vulva. The little girl howls and writhes in pain, although strongly held down. The operator wipes the blood from the wound and the mother, as well as the guests, "verify" her work, sometimes putting their fingers in. The amount of scraping of the large lips depends upon the "technical" ability of the operator. The opening left for urine and menstrual blood is miniscule. Then the operator applies a paste and ensures the adhesion of the large lips by means of an acacia thorn, which pierces one lip and passes through into the other. She sticks in three or four in this manner down the vulva. These thorns are then held in place either by means of sewing thread, or with horse-hair. Paste is again put on the wound. But all this is not sufficient to ensure the coalescence of the large lips; so the little girl is then tied up from her pelvis to her feet: strips of material rolled up into a rope immobilize her legs entirely. Exhausted, the little girl is then dressed and put on a bed. The operation lasts from fifteen to twenty minutes according to the ability of the old woman and the resistance put up by the child.' (By M.A.S. Mustafa, of Djibouti, from the thesis of Dr. Alan David)

The girls are put under tremendous social pressure regarding this operation, and are made to feel like they will "pure" and "acceptable" by it. Being little girls, they often believe it is something entirely different than what it turns out to be. The yearly mortality rate from this "operation" is high, and it is often performed with dull knives, and pot shards (for the "scraping"). All that is left of the female genetalia is thick, leathery scar tissue. The women have to undergo subsequent infibulations for intercourse and during childbirth. Although their hormones are still functioning, their ability to enjoy sexual feelings of any kind is destroyed, and many suffer from depression, anxiety, and traumatic stress disorders.

I think the Islamotwerps that promote or sanction this practice are the real "firewood for hell."

Posted by: ex-lib || 04/09/2004 11:56 Comments || Top||

#5  WOW..... I didn't imagine the process being that extreme. How can people stand to do this to their own children? Its a sad day whenever religious clerics require you to mutilate children as a step toward their purification.
Posted by: Annie Onomous || 04/09/2004 12:46 Comments || Top||

#6  LGF has discussed this heinous practice on many threads. There are three general levels of this abuse, while all of them are sadistic the above discription is of the most extreme. Unbelieveably the rate of FGM (female genital mutilation) in Egypt is 97%! I do not believe that all Muslims practice this and there are some other "cultures" like African animists that also do it. There is NO excuse for any so called culture to practice this inhumane ritual at any of it's shameful levels.

See some of Mommydoc's postings at LGF.
Posted by: Craig || 04/09/2004 13:33 Comments || Top||

#7  Unfortunately, the "most extreme" type of FGM is widely practiced. Even if FGM is done by a "physician," the results are the same--even for the "lesser" varieties, sexual function is either severely diminished or eliminated.

YS: Yeah, these "men" are stupid--talk about shootin' yerself in the foot! Go figure.
Posted by: ex-lib || 04/09/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||

#8  Ex-lib, thanks. I'm a doc and so had a technical understanding, but not how this was done "in the field."

Since I have no problem with the death penalty when properly judged and applied, I think I can come up with one way to stop this nonsense, similar to how the Brits stopped widow-burning in India.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/09/2004 15:08 Comments || Top||

#9  Steve: What was widow-burning, and how'd the Brits stop it? And what are you thinking to do re: FGM?

Correction on: "Although their hormones are still functioning, their ability to enjoy sexual feelings of any kind is destroyed, and many suffer from depression, anxiety, and traumatic stress disorders." I was researching on this topic about four years ago. Since then, more studies have been conducted (a small miracle, considering the many obstacles). While many women suffer with lifelong problems associated the mutilation and do not experience any sexual pleasure, others seem to be able to recover some of their sexuality--there are a lot of variables involved, but it's good news that all is not a total loss in every case.
Posted by: ex-lib || 04/09/2004 15:35 Comments || Top||

#10  In case Steve is gone and does not reply to ex-lib;

The Indian widow was expected to immolate herself on her dead husband's funeral pyre- probably quite often with "help". The Brits found the practice horrifying and sought to make a change. When the natives protested that this was their custom, it is reputed the Brits replied that it is British custom to shoot MFers who toss widows onto bonfires. And the Brits followed through on this sufficiently to actually make it stick!

Thus the world is all the poorer since, as it lost one of it's diverse cultures' quaint and unique customs. (sarcasm off)

I really do hope we can stop FGM. It won't be easy as this is deeply held and practiced in the home by family members, though that is no excuse for not trying like hell to change it!
Posted by: Craig || 04/09/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||

#11  You Freeper morons... can't you see that this is a differnt culture? What is this big hangup you cliff dwellers have with sexual gratification? It's a myth! I'd rather open a gallon of decent Ben & Jerry's than to listen to you morons opine on SEX.
Posted by: AntiGum || 04/09/2004 16:56 Comments || Top||

#12  For the first time in the Netherlands, a mosque has come out in support of female circumcision.

Photo ID everyone in that mosque and arrest every single one of them for suspicion of abuse. Have every single female child of theirs medically examined by a licensed gynecologist and put up for adoption every single female child who has been mutilated. Do this for every single mosque that advocates this barbaric practice.

"Female circumcision" does not exist. It is merely a polite term for genital mutilation. Arab traditions blame women for man's downfall (per the Eden scenario). Genital mutilation is the entrenched Moslem method to prevent this putative temptation.

If Islam is not able to produce a fatwa against all female genital mutilation, then it does not qualify as a legitimate religion. Like incest, child abuse and domestic violence, some things were never meant to become traditions.



Posted by: Zenster || 04/09/2004 16:59 Comments || Top||

#13  Conveniently ignored by AntiGum is the fact that these Muslims people of a 'different culture' are living among civilized people of a 'different culture' and refuse to abide by the norms of these civilized 'differently cultured' people. Why isn't that the problem, AntiGum?

So, in a 'different culture' it's all right to mutilate other people against their will? Why isn't that a problem, AntiGum?

Didn't being a liberal used to mean supporting people's free will?

Thoughtless leftist...
Posted by: Raj || 04/09/2004 17:05 Comments || Top||

#14  Oh, for God's sake! Is this really Antiwar or somebody spoofing us? Could she *really* be that f'ing stupid to defend mutilation of little girls?!

Yeah, go ahead and slice little girls' clits off, but whatever you do don't toss your gum where Antiwar might walk.

I'll save you the effort: whatEVER

F'ing moonbat.
Posted by: Dar || 04/09/2004 17:35 Comments || Top||

#15  IMHO, Antigum is spoofing an LLL position. Zenster, you state a plan which I fully support. With the barbaric practice of FGM being hidden in the sanctity of the private home, I see no milder way to bring it to a halt PRONTO!

I would just like to point out that not all Muslims practice this sh*t, and there are other "cultures" which practice it too. Again NO culture or society has the right to do this to their little girls. FGM is not female circumcision, there is no such equivolent with respect to the female genitalia. Male foreskin is skin- all the female tissue involved is far beyond that. Mommydoc's postings in LGF clearly illustrate the vast difference.
Posted by: Craig || 04/09/2004 18:55 Comments || Top||

#16  I think AntiGum isn't getting any lately ...

ex-lib, Craig is correct. As the story went in Bombay, the locals protested the banning of widow burning by going to the Brit governor and complaining, saying that this was a tradition of theirs. The governor replied that hanging murderers was a tradition in Britain. He then said words to the effect of, "you should feel free to follow your tradition, after which we shall be free to follow ours." The practice stopped.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/09/2004 19:26 Comments || Top||

#17  Where is NOW on this? (crickets chirping)
Posted by: Frank G || 04/09/2004 19:46 Comments || Top||

#18  Thanks, Steve & Craig, for the info on widow burning. It's enough to drive one mad, trying to find a solution to the FGM. Although I'm all for it, (Brit style), if fathers and mothers are punished, then the little girl's situation becomes public--a real problem for the girls in our "civilized" societies.

Frank G: "Where is NOW on this?" (crickets chirping) Yeah. They're too busy hanging out in abortion clinics, going one step further . . . but don't get me started on that one.
Posted by: ex-lib || 04/10/2004 1:41 Comments || Top||


Belgian Display Says U.S. Has Worst Genocide
A display praising the merits of peacekeeping that cited the killing of native North Americans as the world's worst genocide shouldn't be considered a jab at the United States, Belgian defense officials said Thursday.
Moving NATO Headquarters from Brussels shouldn't be considered a jab at Belgium.
Defense Ministry spokesman Gerard Vareng denied criticism that the display carried an anti-American message.
"No, no! Certainly not!"
The display, shown at the monument of the Unknown Soldier in Brussels this week, was meant to honor Belgian soldiers who died in humanitarian missions. It included a panel listing North America as the continent of the world's worst genocide with a death toll of 15 million, starting with Christopher Columbus' 1492 arrival in the New World but giving no end date.
Lemme see, here... 15 million... over the space of 512 years... We've been bumping them off at the rate of 29,296 and 7/8ths a year. The Third Reich covered a period of about 12 years, with 6 million Jews bumped off, so I think they've got us beat on a yearly basis at a half million per. That figure doesn't include the Slavs, Gypsies, and other ÃŒntermenschen, I think. The Soviet Union to the end of the Stalin era covered a period of 37 years, with 60,000,000 reported dead in state action. That'd give 1,621,621 and 2/3rds deaders per year, so I guess between them Lenin and Stalin could take the record. I don't have any figures for how many were bumped off in the Belgian Congo. Sorry. I might also point out that the Indians, especially at the first, gave as good as they got. Just ask the Roanoke Colony. And General Custer would probably agree with Virginia Dare.
Just goes to show the difference between state action and Manifest Destiny.
The daily De Standaard called the display - that was also covered extensively in a defense ministry publication - insulting to Washington.
I'd say so...
It said Defense Minister Andre Flahaut, who has tangled with U.S. officials in recent months, effectively blamed the United States for killing 15 million people "in a genocide that continues to this day."
Of course it does. Why I potted a couple dozen Injuns before breakfast this morning myself...
The newspaper complained about a "curious" list of genocides that mentioned Nazi Germany, Rwanda, Cambodia, Armenia and other countries - but ignored killings in the Soviet Union under Josef Stalin and Europe's colonial past in Africa, including Belgium's role in the Congo.
How 'bout that Leopold, anyway?
Vareng said "the peacekeeping display was the work of historical experts.
I happen to know you can describe yourself as an "expert" if you can afford to have business cards printed...
They took the list of genocides and the numbers of people who died in them on the "Encyclopedia of Genocide" by Israel W. Charny, head of the Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide in Jerusalem. He said the two-volume encyclopedia, published in 1999, is a "very serious book that deals with all kinds of genocides."
Wonder if Leopold made it in there?
Posted by: Steve White || 04/09/2004 12:44:52 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is the same Andre Flahaut who declared the US military to be "inefficient" for using 3 or 4 helos to ensure successful transport and openly declared that "if I were an American, I would vote Democrat" ...

... he's since been declared persona non grata in Washington. http://brusselsblog.blogspot.com covered it ...
Posted by: Edward Yee || 04/09/2004 1:22 Comments || Top||

#2  The newspaper complained about a "curious" list of genocides that mentioned Nazi Germany, Rwanda, Cambodia, Armenia and other countries - but ignored killings in the Soviet Union under Josef Stalin and Europe's colonial past in Africa, including Belgium's role in the Congo.

What, no Uncle Joe? It's not a (genocide) party without him! If Belgium doesn't have Stalin on their list, maybe it's because he made any (putative) American death toll look like penny ante stuff. I must resume calling all Belgians, "Flems."

Posted by: Zenster || 04/09/2004 1:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Zen, how about "Phlegms?"
Posted by: Seafarious || 04/09/2004 1:25 Comments || Top||

#4  I ,just loooooooove that guy. He is flaunting the US for something done by the grand-grand-grand parents of presnt generation and that if we forget that the grand-grand-grand parents of many Americans were not in Europe to begin with.

But he has no problem joining with Germany who has genociders still alive and he forgets Belgium's and France's own record in, say Africa and more precisely Rwanda. Somethings who was done by HIS generation. I, for one don't want touch the bloody hands of that guy.
Posted by: JFM || 04/09/2004 1:33 Comments || Top||

#5  JFM: He is flaunting the US for something done by the grand-grand-grand parents of presnt generation and that if we forget that the grand-grand-grand parents of many Americans were not in Europe to begin with.

Those charges of genocide are BS. Americans did not systematically exterminate the Indians - they diluted Indian blood by marrying them. The ones who chose to stay in the reservations stayed poor (without starving), but most of them left and intermarried with other ethnic groups. Huge numbers of Americans have Indian blood. Anecdotally, the owners of the Indian casinos all look white or black because of intermarriage.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/09/2004 2:00 Comments || Top||

#6  Geez, I don't know, but being included on that list is going to give Genocide a bad name. The US did wipe out the Indian tribes with a fairly genocidal brutality...for which many settlers from the Ohio Valley ever westward, were eternally grateful. With things going as badly as they are in Iraq, (Yeah, says the Islamisists about the Japanese girls held hostage, Let's burn them alive..." and the Mehdi's Army), matters may get genocidal there also before they calm down.
Posted by: Traveller || 04/09/2004 2:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Traveller: The US did wipe out the Indian tribes with a fairly genocidal brutality...for which many settlers from the Ohio Valley ever westward, were eternally grateful.

More BS from traveller. The US killed the ones who attacked settlers and resettled the non-violent ones in reservations. No different from what the Chinese are doing in Tibet and East Turkistan today. Unless you consider Chinese colonial ventures genocides as well. By this definition, the Israelis are also committing genocide against the Palestinians. Why do liberals make this stuff up?
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/09/2004 2:58 Comments || Top||

#8  I thought disease accounted for far more deaths amongst the new world natives than violence did...
Posted by: Bulldog || 04/09/2004 4:07 Comments || Top||

#9  There's no such thing as a "native" American. God did not create the Indians on this land. We all came here from somewhere else, even the Indians. The difference between us and them is...we have a written history, the Indians do not. Therefore, we don't know about the genocide perpetrated, by the Indians, against those who were here before them.

The law of the jungle is: The land belongs to those who can take it and keep it. Unfortunately, the Indians couldn't KEEP it.
Posted by: Halfass Pete || 04/09/2004 4:53 Comments || Top||

#10  Bulldog, you are correct. Another misconception is that many white settlers were attacked by Native Americans while migrating along the Oregon Trail. Most settlers died of disease exposure ect.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/09/2004 5:02 Comments || Top||

#11  Well, Bulldog, disease did account for more deaths than gunfire...and that is even discounting the ever present rumor of passing out smallpox infected blankets to the natives.

Still, be that as it may, there were thriving Indian Civilizations all along the Eastern seaboard and deep into the the Ohio Valley. None of this is to mention the plains Indians so often depicted in western movies.

What I find interesting is Zhang Fei's almost reflexive revisionist history. The ethic often was that the only good Indian was a dead Indian and this played out in policy also. I certainly object strenuously to the China's takeover of Tibet and repopulation of Tibet with ethnic Chinese. It is a crime. Maybe even a crime against humanity...but it is more a political takeover and transfer of population than a genocide.

And I know that I'm going to catch some hell for this, but here goes...I cited the decimation of the Indian tribes in greater North America as a positive and necessary event in the development of the United States. They were social systems that could not co-exist, and so through death, assimilation or simple dispersion, one had to cease to be.

Maybe not unlike militant Islam and the West.

And yes I am a Liberal...
Posted by: Traveller || 04/09/2004 5:10 Comments || Top||

#12  Traveller

PLanting nails in the eyes of Tibetan monks was only one of Chinese pasttimes in Tibet.

Also about the Native Indians the Crees had become civilized with elections, news papers until they were cast out by Andrew Jackson.
Posted by: JFM || 04/09/2004 6:44 Comments || Top||

#13  JMF, you won't catch me defending the Chinese in Tibet...but we're going on 50 years. This is a conquest that won't be reversed, but I think not because of the killing of the native Tibetans, (though of course many were slaughtered), but rather because of the deliberated policy of China to transfer population into Tibet.

And regading the Cree...that's exactly my point. Old Hickory was first and primarily known as an Indian fighter. But the Cree were very civilized, one of the 7 great tibes I think...though my Indian history fails me at the moment.
Posted by: Traveller || 04/09/2004 7:11 Comments || Top||

#14  This dredging up of past atrocities is pointless and frivolous: ALL Western societies have become progressively more and more "civilized" with the passage of time, and I don't know of any group that can look at it's ancestors' behavior of four or five generations ago without wincing. We simply don't do "those things" anymore- and it's to all our credit that we don't.

The Belgian politicos, like their German and French counterparts, seem to get an inordinate amount of pleasure from bearding us Americans; I suppose it makes for good domestic press.

That's OK with me, and I think we should respond by adjusting to the reality of western continental Europe's unseriousness by leaving them to their amusements. NATO appears rather purposeless today; I say we withdraw from it, or disband it altogether. And along with that, let's withdraw our troops from Germany; God knows, we urgently need them elsewhere.

Perhaps if we do that, European politicians will sober up a bit; and when they do, we can set about the task of forming a partnership that actually has some purpose.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/09/2004 7:21 Comments || Top||

#15  Traveller, it is an exageration to say there were thriving "civilizations" in most of North American when Europeans arrived. Civilization means cities, codified laws etc. These existed in a few places in Meso and South America, but not in what is now the US.

I recently attended a talk by a Native American historian. In the entire Hudson Valley, there were fewer than 12,000 tribal members. The largest settlements did not exceed 500 people and these were rare.

There is no doubt there were tribal cultures here - but not civilizations. The difference in words is important.
Posted by: rkb || 04/09/2004 8:25 Comments || Top||

#16  Just to follow up on that thought, the villages here practiced small amounts of agriculture in the form of a few crops on rotating fields that were cleared These were not permanent, but were opportunistically cleared as the soil ran out. The bulk of the land that the Europeans cleared and farmed was orignal forest when they arrived.
Posted by: rkb || 04/09/2004 8:27 Comments || Top||

#17  If the Belians can rip into us for a military victory over the Indians, shouldn't they at least acknowledge their complicity with Hilter's pan-genocidal policies?

I mean after all there were several units of Belgian Nazis who volunteered for the eastern front during WWII and who fought under the SS banner.

Can we not achieve balance by mentioning members of the Belgian SS everytime we yawn?
Posted by: badanov || 04/09/2004 8:37 Comments || Top||

#18  Traveller

My point still remains: why present day Americans should be targetted for the crimes perpetrated by their long-dead ancestors? (And the ancestors of many Americans were still in Europe during the Indian wars). If she is so sensitive about genocide she should question at Belgium making friends with a country who still has former SS alive and kicking, where Schindler was treated as a pariah while former Nazis prospered and reached
the highest positions (cf Hans MArtin Schleyer reaching the head of the entreprenurial council). And if she is so sensitive about genocide she should look at Belgium's own colonialist past (whose brutality was only matched by Germany's) or at Belgium and France's cooperation with the Rwandese genociders in order to preserve their sphere of influence. And as with Germany, the people who took these decisions, the people who weren't and aren't ashamed to have voted for them, are still alive.

Now try to find an American who voted for Andrew Jackson or stretched hands with General Custer. That is the difference.
Posted by: JFM || 04/09/2004 8:38 Comments || Top||

#19  Couple points of note:

>most of this genocide as they claim - occured prior to the U.S. even becoming a nation. We're talking about a lot of things that went on this continent prior to 1776 by Brits, Spaniards, and even some French influence.

>JFM makes a good argument that we are talking about 150 years ago for pete's sake. So what's your point Belgium? JFM/Dave D. are also right -why should present day Americans be ashamed of something they had no dealings in? I do wince when thinking about how the Indians were dealt w/in many ways but like Dave said, we simply are not the same in our understanding or sophistication. I would only suggest that we need to be cognizant of no bs history and ensure it never repeats itself - that is the lesson.

>Also, hw did uncle Joe not make the list? I guess we're quibbling over the meaning of genocide and mass murder of epic proportions.

>I do want to clarify something else - let's be honest, our country's past actions in many instances regarding the Indians were not some of its finest moments. - ZF, yes we did exterminate them. In 1637 we (or actually the first settlers) exterminated the Pequot Indians when we burned their village near Mystic, CT, and shot all the fleeing Indians - to include women and children. I guess Wounded Knee was just a myth as well. Or how about Trail of Tears, which moved about 100,000 Indians, or the other "Indian Removal" programs that began in the 1830s. I can come up w/more but these are just off the top of my head. By 1823 the Cherokees had ratified a written constitution based in large part on our own. Is that not civilized? We can rationalize this shit anyway y'all want but it still comes out the same. Also, supposedly lacking the title *civilized* does not equate being without culture. It also does not rationalize to me that our actions were okay. We broke treaties at the rapid rate and whenever it suited us, it was beneath us to do so and for that we should never forget and never repeat.

>sorry for the long post and lecturing tone - this hit a nerve w/me.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/09/2004 9:06 Comments || Top||

#20  It seems strange that the article doesn't mention anything about the Spanish activities in their part of the Americas. Pizzaro and Cortez were no slackers in the brutal invasion department.

In any case, Belgium makes superb chocolate.
Posted by: mrp || 04/09/2004 10:39 Comments || Top||

#21  Don't be ridiculous. This was nearly five hundred years ago. And key to Cortez success was the fact that everyone was fed up with Aztecs and their gods.
Posted by: JFM || 04/09/2004 11:22 Comments || Top||

#22  JH--Nice rant! Proud as I am to be an American, we can't gloss over our past. We have come a long way from a fledgling nation where only white male property-owners could vote, blacks were bought and sold, and Indians were considered vermin to be exterminated in order to free up more land. We need to recognize that while moving forward, and I think we've done very well to do so.

Every nation has got skeletons in its closet. It's convenient that Belgium choses to ignore its own and the Soviet Union's. BTW, did they happen to mention Saddam Hussein in the exhibit?
Posted by: Dar || 04/09/2004 11:57 Comments || Top||

#23  Jarhead and Dar, good points of course.

My biggest beef is that the *real* story about European / Indian interaction (which is quite fascinating, I highly recommend reading any original source, such as The Oregon Trail by Francis Parkman Jr.), gets lost when people conflate the facts to ride their own hobbyhorse.

For example, the 100s thousands / millions of Indians from North and South America that died due to new disease introduced by Europeans since 1492 gets conflated with known incidents in the U.S. such as Wounded Knee, the Cherokee Trail of Tears, etc, to become "facts" such as the United States engaged in genocide of millions of Indians, which are accepted by ignorami worldwide .
Posted by: Carl in N.H || 04/09/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#24  By the way, The Oregon Trail paints a great picture of the beginnings of the westward migration in the 1840's. Unlike Hollywood depictions, the largest problem was that Indians would steal horses, supplies, etc, which they did if the opportunity presented itself.

Attacks/killings were rare but occasionally happened.

And, by the way, the various Indian tribes were doing the exact same things to each other...

Posted by: Carl in N.H || 04/09/2004 12:15 Comments || Top||

#25  Carl is right! Read first hand accounts. They are often extremely illuminating, and obviously free of the 'meaning and interpretation' introduced by 'academics', which we refer to as spin when practiced by journalists.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/09/2004 12:20 Comments || Top||

#26  Traveller: What I find interesting is Zhang Fei's almost reflexive revisionist history.

What I find interesting is Traveller's almost reflexive revisionist and *anachronistic* history. Early Americans hanged horse thieves of every breed. McCoy and Hatfield-type conflicts were played out all across the continent in the absence of any law enforcement authority. Some of these conflicts involved Indians.

Indians in North America weren't "civilized". India was a civilization. Ditto China, Persia, Arabia, Britain, France, Vietnam, Japan, et al. Indians in North America had no writing system, were a Stone Age society (not Bronze or Iron Age), and existed in tribes numbering perhaps in the thousands. (Heck, even the Huns and the Mongols were Iron Age societies). They had no large scale engineering projects or even any architecture to talk about - and I'm not referring to adobe huts. If North America had land borders with Asia or even Africa, the Indians would already have been overrun. Period. Europeans just happened to be the first to cross one of the two oceans necessary to reach the Americas.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/09/2004 13:36 Comments || Top||

#27  All arguements aside, conflating everything that happened in North America from the time of Columbus to the present is hardly a slap at the US (although that is no doubt the intent). The US may have really tried to wipe out the indians, but compared to the diseases and what Cortes did in Mexico (also North America) the US just didn't rate.

How many did Leopold kill in the Congo?
Posted by: ruprecht || 04/09/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#28  rupretcht

In Mexico Cortez had to discipline his Tlaxcatecl allies because they wanted to kill Aztec non combatants and/or eat Aztec prisoners.

The Aztecs had sacrified eighty thousand captives to their gods in a prticularly important festivity. Everyone wanted them dead, but Tenochtitlan's position at the center of a lake made it impregnable. That is until the Spaniards came with their firearms, their steel, their discipline and above all their naval techniques who nullified Tenochtitlan's natural advantages
and allowed enemies of the Aztecs to avenge themselves.

And again, both American and Spanish criminals have long been dead while German, French and Belgian ones are alive and happy.
Posted by: JFM || 04/09/2004 15:08 Comments || Top||

#29  How many did Leopold kill in the Congo?

Never mind that - think of the cannibalism that prevailed in Africa before the arrival of Europeans. How many non-Zulu tribesmen did Chaka-Zulu slaughter while building the Kwa-Zulu empire? What the Europeans did was no different than anyone else had been doing since the beginning of time. The eras change, but quest for empire remained the same. And it was all a matter of possessing and using a fleeting technological advantage - Alexander had his sarissas, Genghis Khan had his compound bows and light cavalry and Europeans had cannon, musketry and vessels capable of crossing oceans.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/09/2004 15:13 Comments || Top||

#30  JFM: The Aztecs had sacrified eighty thousand captives to their gods in a prticularly important festivity.

Actually, this wasn't just a sacrifice - the people sacrificed were actually feasted upon. Think chili, burritos and quesadillas with human meat.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/09/2004 15:16 Comments || Top||

#31  I'm Belgian.. This Flahaut guy doesn't have much of support here..

I agree we bear a huge responsibility towards Congo, where we did some awfull things for nothing else then financial gains , but mentioning the Flemish SS garnizons is laughable..It was mostly them dying, not the other way around..
Posted by: lyot || 04/09/2004 15:30 Comments || Top||

#32  The destruction of the Plains Indians (Arapahoe, Cheyenne, Nez Pierce) was undeniably purposeful and systematic. Railroad interests were behind a lot of it, and it was fomented by our friends in the media--the newspapers ran all kinds of nonsense that scared people have to death, and made the actions taken against the Indians more palatable, even justificable. (Guess who owned the newspapers?) The population, in general, didn't really understand the situation--so I think it's a real stretch to say the American People committed genocide, even though I'm pretty comfortable saying certain elements back then did.

ZF: You may be thinking of the Cherokee and others, especially along the east coast, who did a lot of intermarrying. But that doesn't account for the disappearance of this country's former inhabitants. I also was disappointed that you disallowed the American Indians' civilizations to be given the credit and recognition they merit. The Northern Cheyenne, for example, had an amazing society and culture. ("Oooo and ick" about the Aztecs--thanks for the info, I think . . .! And I thought Secret Window was grisly.)

On the current question: My great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandmother kicked a dog once.
Posted by: ex-lib || 04/09/2004 16:18 Comments || Top||

#33  I'm not arguing that the west is any better or worse than anyone else. My point is the 15 million number is somewhat suspicious since Leopold killed 5 to 15 million link.

I think someone dug back farther and farther until they reached Christopher Columbus, then included Mexico as well, in order to reach that same number. I think this is about someone dealing with his Belgian guilt as much as it has to do with the same person's anti-American outlook.
Posted by: ruprecht || 04/09/2004 16:29 Comments || Top||

#34  Point taken ruprecht. If true, it brings to mind the efforts some "progressives" made to count enough Afghan civilian deaths until they reached 3000, then screeched about how we (the US, the West, whatever) were no better than the terrorists...
Posted by: Carl in N.H || 04/09/2004 16:46 Comments || Top||

#35  We Neanderthals find it difficult to get very upset about the things you modern humans do to each other, considering what you did to us...
Posted by: snellenr || 04/09/2004 16:47 Comments || Top||

#36  if my memory serves me right, the Ministery of Defense got her information from some famous Jewish professor, who wrote a standard work on genocide..

Posted by: Anonymous4107 || 04/09/2004 16:47 Comments || Top||

#37  On the current question: My great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandmother kicked a dog once.

I got 3 goldies and two mixes that want Justice and or Cash! No cheap treats! No cheap treats! No cheap treats.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/09/2004 17:00 Comments || Top||

#38  Shipman...you...you...you...dog hater!!! I will sic PETA on you!!
Posted by: Rafael || 04/09/2004 19:08 Comments || Top||

#39  Oops, that was for ex-lib. But you too Shipman!! I'm watching you! Take care of those goldies and mixes, or else...
Posted by: Rafael || 04/09/2004 19:10 Comments || Top||

#40  Muck, help me out here.
Posted by: Rafael || 04/09/2004 19:10 Comments || Top||

#41  What the heck, time to chime in.

ZF- the "native Americans" did have some large constuctions, albeit of dirt. Throughout the Midwest there are substantial Indian mounds and artifacts. There were "cities" of 30,000 when London was a hovel on the Thames. Yes, there was nothing beyond a stone-age technology.

In rates of hundreds of thousands of slaughtered per year, I think that the killing fields of Cambodia must be right near the top. Yet another socialistic dream proves itself to be a real nightmare.

Jarhead, I hear you and yet cannot really lose much sleep. Who knows how many times and how many millions the native Americans slaughtered of each other?
Posted by: Craig || 04/09/2004 19:44 Comments || Top||

#42  Craig, I don't expect anyone to lose any sleep. Certainly not over things that occured 150+ years ago. I'm merely pointing out that we should never gloss over our past. Let's just tell it like it is and not repeat the mistakes. As for Indians waging war on each other - sure that happened a lot - and they were particularly brutal to each other, mostly it was over hunting/fishing grounds; a different type of land grab if you will.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/09/2004 20:57 Comments || Top||

#43  Jarhead,
Thanks, you have a good point and are reasonable to discussion. Thankfully we are in a country where we do debate about and learn from the past. Our strength as a country springs from our many and varied past, both domestic and foreign, the many mistakes we have made and the huge lessons we have gotten from those experiences.

It is no wonder that the ME is mired in hatred and projection of self-inadequacy, they are caught in a decrepit belief that a single "devinely" dictated 1200 year old text is the alpha and omega of all human knowlege and wisdom. While our Belgian (and other Old European) friends seem to be mired in jelousy at our vitality and strength.
Posted by: Craig || 04/09/2004 21:47 Comments || Top||

#44  Shipman: It's probably too late for you to get this message--but, okay, okay--don't get your hackles up. I have an offer. I want peace in my time.

Here's the deal: If you will make your dogs promise not to bite me or hold a grudge, I will cordon off a good bit of land out in Eastern Colorado as a big doggie run, fix it up with a windmill water pump, air-conditioned or heated dog houses, and will provide free dog food for a year. I will also collect rabbits for your dogs to chase for fun, which I, or one of my subordinates, will release several times a day. (Don't tell muck4doo about that one, okay?) I will also provide free transportation for you and/or your dogs. Are we square?
Posted by: FED UP || 04/10/2004 13:11 Comments || Top||

#45  OOOpsie. The above messge is from ex-lib. (FED UP must have hijacked my computer again.)
Posted by: ex-lib || 04/10/2004 13:13 Comments || Top||


French CNN rival delayed by Brussels
Mon dieu!
French president Jacques Chirac’s plan to launch a CNN-rivalling French 24-hour international news channel this year has been postponed because its state funding may flout European Union rules.
France flouting EU rules? Who’d a thunkit?
European Commission Competition Commissioner
(Competition Commisioner??!! Egad.)
Mario Monti has asked the French government to provide further information about the proposed financing of the channel, called CFII (French International News Channel).
"More specifically, M. Chirac, where’s my cut of le pie?"
The French government plans to allocate a one-off sum of EUR 70 million in state aid to CFII, which is to be managed jointly by state-run France Televisions and the private French television station TF1. The EUR 70 million French government aid for the channel, expected to see it through its first five years, could be rejected by Brussels unless it is convinced that the channel is a public service.
And Brussels will need quite a bit of baksheesh, er, convincing...
The project was first announced last year by President Jacques Chirac who is keen to establish French influence in international television news reporting, until now dominated by the United States’ CNN and Britain’s BBC. The decision to set up CFII, which it is planned will broadcast in French, Arabic and English, was taken during the height of diplomatic tension over France’s opposition to the US-led war in Iraq. "This channel will encourage the expression of a French vision which is more necessary than ever in the world today," French Prime Minister Raffarin said last September when the project was announced before parliament. Ghislain Achard, Director General of France Televisions, told Le Monde that because it would take 12 months to prepare the launch of the channel, which can only begin after an official decree by the government, it is now only likely to begin broadcasting as of June 2005 at the earliest. However, unnamed sources "close to Comissioner Monti" said the project "would no doubt be approved" after further payments clarifications, and French officials were confident that it would go ahead despite the delay. CFII is to be staffed by 250 journalists using America-hating international correspondents from Agence France Press and state-run Radio France International. It is not expected to be offered to homes in France, where TF1 provides an all-news channel, LCI, but would beam to northern Europe, Africa, India, the Middle East and Central Asia. New York will also be able to pick it up because the channel intends to cover the United Nations based there.
So that Kofi doesn’t feel quite so, you know, lonely.
Posted by: Seafarious || 04/09/2004 12:26:56 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "It is not expected to be offered to homes in France, where TF1 provides an all-news channel, LCI"

Mon dieu! We cannot have actual competition between French news services! Then there might be inadvertent differences in message, which might cause discord, which might, somewhere, cause a prole to actually form an unauthorized thought. This cannot be!
Posted by: Mitch H. || 04/09/2004 19:45 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
For Want of a Nail
Edited for humor
Lady Condoleezza on the battle of the Saracens.

Many view Lady Condoleezza’s testimony as a palace response to Richard the Clerk, who testified before the commission last week. The clerk maintains he warned the king about the nail. He recalled vividly going to His Highness with his hair on fire, lit by a Moor hiding behind a tapestry. Richard has served many kings, and developed a reputation for being able to spot a goblin in every woodpile, as the saying goes. While Richard has asserted he had consistently worked to secure the realm throughout his career, others have pointed out that the Saracens had slowly encroached on the Kingdom on his watch. During the reign of bawdy King William, periodic enemy attacks were met with scattered flights of arrows, to no discernible effect. The response plan Richard submitted shortly after King George’s coronation — which called for "bigger arrows" — was dismissed as inadequate. Richard was not in the hearing room during Lady Condoleezza’s testimony, but stood outside, hawking pamphlets to the crowd of spectators, performing minor feats of acrobatics, and juggling.

His Royal Highness’ defenders on the commission point out that since the initial battle the realm has been secure from Saracen attack, and the Khedive and his forces are disorganized and in retreat. But critics contend that this is not relevant to their investigation. They want to know why the king did not respond to the clear and conclusive prognostications that something could possibly happen. "Augury suggested bad humors," Ben-Veniste said. "There was increased chatter amongst the seers. Throughout the realm there was a vague sense of expectation. A crow alighted on the west tower in the moonlight. Given all this, if they didn’t know about the nail, they should have." Commission Chairman Kean was less adversarial. "Our charter is not to fix blame. It is to make sure nail loss of this magnitude never happens again." Nevertheless, he did not rule out a follow-on Star Chamber proceeding.
RTWT, as they say
Posted by: mojo || 04/09/2004 4:11:43 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Lileks on Iraq as Vietnam
What, you haven't read it yet today?

I am struck once again by the incomparable hold VIETNAM has over some people. They don’t seem to realize how the use of this inapt example demonstrates their inability to grasp the nature of new and different conflicts. When I was in college, El Salvador was Vietnam. When I was in Washington, Kuwait was Vietnam. Afghanistan was briefly Vietnam when we hadn’t won the war after a week. It’s Warholian: in the future, all conflicts will be Vietnam for 15 minutes.

Vietnam was an anomaly. Vietnam was perhaps the least typical war we’ve ever fought, but somehow it’s become the Gold Standard for wars – because, one suspects, it became inextricably bound up with Nixon, that black hole of human perfidy, and it coincided with the golden glory years of so many old boomers who now clog the arteries of the media and academe. A gross overgeneralization, I know. But it’s a fatal conceit. If you’re always fighting the last war you’ll lose the next one. Even worse: Vietnam was several wars ago.

So now we’re fighting Iranian-backed forces in their backyard. This is not a new war. It began the day the “students” swarmed the US Embassy in Tehran. And Senator Kerry worries that a military response to these thugs will inflame the Muslim world against us? If so, that speaks volumes about the Muslim world he seems to know so much about – by his logic they prefer death and defeat to comity and cooperation.

If that’s truly the case, then it’s best we face it now.
Posted by: Steve || 04/09/2004 11:39:06 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "it coincided with the golden glory years of so many old boomers who now clog the arteries of the media and academe"

-absolutely perfect quote. Good article, thanx Steve.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/09/2004 12:19 Comments || Top||

#2  hey! I just used a similar quote myself!! Maybe that's because those of us who didn't establish our entire identity on opposing the Vietnam war think of the Vietnam war in terms of those piles of skulls in the killing fields, rather than flowers in our hair at a local love in.

These people remind me of, I don't know...residents of someplace like Vicksburg circa 1900. If we all sat around a room, and were able to replay a video of the ol' life on a plantation those circa 1900 people might still see the beauty of the architecture, dresses, wine and food and wish it could be that way again. But you know - I suspect that most born after that time would instead notice the slaves, the humans who didn't look quite human - the broken men and women, living like beasts, whose faces would cause us pain just to look upon.

And so it is with Vietnam. They see only the mint julip, and hear the beauty of the negro spiritual's as they sing in the fields. The rest of us see the suffering that made it all possible and feel ashamed....and steel ourselves to assure that it will never be allowed to happen again.
Posted by: anon || 04/09/2004 16:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Anon - beautifully written and definitely on point!
Posted by: Nancy || 04/09/2004 21:29 Comments || Top||


Rice Lays Groundwork for CIA, FBI Testimony
Condoleezza Rice emphatically assigned blame for the pre-Sept. 11 failures on "frustratingly vague" U.S. intelligence, setting the stage for the top men at the CIA and FBI to explain next week what went wrong and what’s been done to fix it. In a long-anticipated public appearance, President Bush’s national security adviser on Thursday repeatedly cited flaws in U.S. intelligence agencies for hampering the administration’s ability to foresee or stop the deadly suicide hijackings. And she cautioned that while the FBI and CIA have made marked improvements since Sept. 11, 2001, the job is not complete. "I really don’t believe that all of our work is done, despite the tremendous progress that we’ve made thus far," Rice testified to the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

Next week, the bipartisan panel will examine law enforcement and intelligence failures surrounding Sept. 11, with scheduled testimony from Attorney General John Ashcroft, CIA Director George Tenet and FBI Director Robert Mueller as well as from former FBI Director Louis Freeh and former Acting FBI Director Thomas Pickard. "This hearing will focus on four important questions," commission chairman Thomas Kean said. "How was our government structured before 9-11 to address the terrorist threat inside the United States? What was the threat in 2001 and our government’s response to it? How did the intelligence community address the threat? What reforms have been taken since 9-11 to respond to the terrorist threat inside the United States? These questions are at the core of the commission’s mandate." Kean also said the 10-member commission hoped the White House would publicly release by next week an Aug. 6, 2001, classified memo entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States." At the panel’s request, the White House said it soon would declassify the intelligence briefing, which was given to Bush just weeks before the attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people in New York City, Washington and Pennsylvania.

Democratic commissioners sharply questioned Rice as to why the memo didn’t spark immediate action against Al Qaeda, the terrorist organization headed by Usama bin Laden. Rice said the document was "historical information based on old reporting" with no specific intelligence information regarding an impending attack. She cited other intelligence chatter picked up during the spring and summer of 2001 that she called "frustratingly vague" — "Unbelievable news in coming weeks. Big event ... there will be a very, very, very very big uproar."

"Troubling yes. But they don’t tell us when; they don’t tell us where; they don’t tell us who; and they don’t tell us how," Rice told the commissioners. Next week’s hearing also will highlight poor communication among the intelligence and law enforcement groups. Among the missed signals was a July 2001 memo by a Phoenix-based FBI agent warning that Al Qaeda terrorists might have been undergoing flight training at U.S. schools and the August 2001 arrest of student pilot Zacarias Moussaoui on immigration charges. Moussaoui has since been charged with conspiring in the attacks.

The CIA also failed to share information about two of the future hijackers after they were spotted attending an Al Qaeda meeting in Malaysia in January 2000. "The director of central intelligence and I think Director Freeh had an excellent relationship," Rice testified. "They were trying hard to bridge that seam. But when it came right down to it, this country, for reasons of history and culture and therefore law, had an allergy to the notion of domestic intelligence, and we were organized on that basis. And it just made it very hard to have all of the pieces come together."

Rice’s testimony, under oath and on live national television, came after weeks of White House resistance. Bush yielded after repeated public requests from members of the commission that an on-the-record rebuttal was needed in response to explosive charges from former White House counterterror chief Richard Clarke. Clarke told the commission last month that the Bush administration gave a lower priority to combatting terrorism than had former President Clinton, and that the decision to invade Iraq undermined the war on terror. Rice responded that Bush "understood the threat and he understood its importance." She said Bush came into office determined to develop a "more robust" policy to combat Al Qaeda and told his national security adviser he was "tired of swatting at flies." Picking up on her testimony, commissioner Bob Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from Nebraska, noted that Bush failed to order a military strike in response to an attack on the destroyer USS Cole in Yemen that killed 17 U.S. sailors three months before Bush took office. "Dr. Rice, we only swatted a fly once. ... How the hell could he [Bush] be tired?" Kerrey asked. That was a reference to a 1998 missile strike Clinton ordered against suspected terror training camps in Afghanistan. Rice said the administration decided not to respond "tit for tat" with an inadequate response that that would simply embolden terrorists.

After hearing from Rice, the commission met with Clinton for more than three hours. A person familiar with the session said on condition of anonymity that the former president discussed his terrorism policies and his decision not to retaliate for the Cole attacks. The person familiar with Clinton’s testimony said Clinton told the panel he did not order retaliatory military strikes after the USS Cole was bombed in the autumn of 2000 because he could not get "a clear, firm judgment of responsibility" from U.S. intelligence before he left office the following January. U.S. intelligence determined Al Qaeda sponsored the attack only after the Bush administration took office.
Posted by: tipper || 04/09/2004 9:48:22 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Next week, the bipartisan panel will examine law enforcement and intelligence failures surrounding Sept. 11, with scheduled testimony from Attorney General John Ashcroft,..

Maybe some of those committee members can ask Ashcroft what the deal is with the Justice Dept's. pr0n fixation at a time when terrorists are seeking to kill as many of us as possible in our own home.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/09/2004 11:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Maybe they can even drag in Janet (The Planet) Reno, to explain why the Clinton Justice Dept. was so interested in not seeing any threat from Islamist terrorists.
Posted by: mojo || 04/09/2004 11:57 Comments || Top||


Kennedy Dodges Questions on Judicial 'Memogate'
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/09/2004 03:43 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  April 7, 2004



Dear Senator “Baghdad Ted”,


You fat blowhard fuck (I’ll let others be diplomatic in their displeasure with your recent screeds about President Bush and the war against terrorist and terrorism, you fat blowhard fuck…). You use the strategy that socialist and communist groups do in this country: hide behind free speech to spew bile and invectives. You are disgusting! And who the hell are you to talk about scruples (Mary Jo Kopechne), honesty (Spanish exam), and morality (Chappaquiddick), you lousy FUCK.

I will say it overtly: You are unpatriotic and un-American. I don’t care who your family is (and by the way, my family’s Family Bible from the 1800’s includes Kennedy’s, which I am unspeakably embarrassed about because of you), or who your brothers were. You stand on your own record, and speak your own mind when you aid and abet the enemy. And make no mistake about it, I define you as an unpatriotic anti-American because, you KNOW the record. You KNOW that words like yours help bolster an enemy, give ideological ammunition to them, and prolong the carnage caused by failing rebellions, you scum sucking, scum slinging, scumbag FUCK.

Your vile screeds go WAY beyond partisan politics. This is way beyond hardball political strategy. You have crossed the line, AT A TIME WHEN AMERICAN RESOLVE IS SO CRITICAL (You lousy arrogant FUCKING FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) to success in Iraq, the second battlefield in the War on Terror.

Let me put in your face the fact that, as a registered independent voter since I was 18 years old, I will for the first time vote for one of the major political party candidates, and emphatically cast my vote in November ’04 for President Bush (as well as any Republican running against any Democrat, because Democrat politicians are not censuring you, or the likes of Kerry, Daschle, Boxer, Rangel, and Leahy). And believe me, my money precedes my vote.

Fuck off, and shut the fuck up you horrific screech monkey!!




[Hyper]
Proud, and thoroughly disgusted US Citizen


P.S. If you were standing in front of me I would spit in your face for what you are doing, if I could stand being so close to the stench of rotten scum long enough to let one fly.


Mailed 4/8/04
Posted by: Hyper || 04/09/2004 14:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Comeon Hyper.... tell us how you really feel!

And I agree with you 100%. What he did was just short of Treason.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/09/2004 15:07 Comments || Top||

#3  CrazyFool: Short?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 04/09/2004 16:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Okay Hyper, you've convinced me. Where do I sign? Great rant!
Posted by: Doc8404 || 04/09/2004 19:28 Comments || Top||


Kerry Vs. Kerry
It’s the mother of all flip-flops
35 rounds in all, and not get saved by the bell.
Commentated on by our good friend Don King
On the righthand side of the page and halfway down.

Oh! while you are there you may as well read Victor Davis Hanson’s excellent article on Western Cannabilism.
Too long to cut and paste.
Posted by: tipper || 04/09/2004 2:13:30 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  sometimes I wish I could get hired as a propagandist. If I were, I'd have fun with confusing the easily confused by making Bob Kerry and John Kerry one in the same. ha, ha.....it would be sooo easy. Too easy really.

Sigh..I should be ashamed of myself.
Posted by: B || 04/09/2004 9:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Dhims, liberals and communists must be going through the most complicated psychological hell before they realize that the have really done it to themselves this time: The ridiculous caracature they have created and tried to pin on George W. Bush won't stick. at all. But the truly cruel fact for them to contemplate, under suicide watch, is that their caracature sticks quite easily, and tenaciously to brother John F. Kerry. You spoiled, rich, upper class twit of the year. And here's to you Dhimmis, I think you got what you deserve.
Posted by: jonlemming || 04/09/2004 11:15 Comments || Top||


More bad economic news for Kerry
The number of people filing new claims for unemployment benefits dropped last week to the lowest level in more than three years, a promising sign that companies feel better about the economy's prospects and are less inclined to get rid of workers. The Labor Department reported Thursday that new applications filed for jobless claims declined by a seasonally adjusted 14,000 to 328,000 for the week ending April 3. That marked the lowest level since Jan. 13, 2001. The jobless claims figures were better than economists were expecting. They called for a slight decline from the previous week to around 340,000. The more stable four-week moving average of claims, which smooths out weekly fluctuations, also went down last week by 3,250 to 336,750. That represented the lowest level since November 25, 2000.
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Ted Kennedy: Kerry’s actions prove Iraq is Bush’s Vietnam
ScrappleFace is a riot!
(2004-04-05) -- In a major policy address at the Brookings Institution today Senator Edward M. Kennedy said that Democrat presidential candidate John Forbes Kerry’s actions prove that "Iraq is George Bush’s Vietnam."

"The parallels between Vietnam and Iraq are stunning when seen through the actions of one man who lived through both eras," said Mr. Kennedy. "Thirty-some years ago John Kerry fought in Vietnam, then later protested U.S. involvement in Vietnam. In October 2002, John Kerry voted to support war against Iraq, then later protested U.S. involvement in Iraq. Clearly, Kerry’s actions and public statements demonstrate that Iraq has become a quagmire for Bush."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan responded to Mr. Kennedy’s remarks by saying, "Ted Kennedy is John Kerry’s Chappaquiddick."
Posted by: Korora || 04/09/2004 12:04:01 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  From what I can remember, Ted was driving Mary Jo home. It was getting late and she had to be home by eight as the catillion dance was that weekend. Ted was an old friend and was going her way.

As Ted rounded a poorly engineered corner that led to a narrow bridge he hit a patch of "black ice". Invisible to him and impossible to negotiate, his powerful Buick coupe, first slid right then left. Ted fought the wheel, like a pro, he'd been in this situation many times. His abilitiy to save himself will always be remembered as a selfless act of bravado. Mary Joe didn't react as well as she should have and, sadly, perished. But that makes Ted even more the hero. Her family, freinds, and ex school chums all agree.
Posted by: Lucky || 04/09/2004 0:57 Comments || Top||

#2  This is rude of course and can't be mentioned in polite company, so I'm bring it up here :-)

Question: was Mary Jo pregnant at the time of her death? We'll never know since no autopsy was done.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/09/2004 1:03 Comments || Top||

#3  . . . and Viet Nam was, well, it was JFK's Viet Nam.
Posted by: spiffo || 04/09/2004 1:20 Comments || Top||

#4  Black Ice? It was July 18, 1969! Must get colder than they advertise in Massachusetts in summer...

Plus Mary Jo lived for some time after the crash, but Ted ran past several occupied houses to go back to find his spin-doctors first..
Posted by: Chris Smith || 04/09/2004 3:37 Comments || Top||

#5  Black Ice in July 18 in Massachusets? Of course there was black ice. This was before global warming caused by the policies of unelected president Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuush.
Posted by: JFM || 04/09/2004 4:06 Comments || Top||

#6  Black Ice in July? With a twist of lime on the rocks. A couple of those and I can walk on water, glub, glub, bwuppp.

(bubbles slowly rising to the surface)
Posted by: john || 04/09/2004 7:03 Comments || Top||

#7  Black ice? C'mon guys, obviously he's referring to the drink made of vodka, tonic, & rumpleminz - makes perfect sense to me.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/09/2004 7:53 Comments || Top||

#8  Lucky has it down, the tragedy also caused a short term drinking problem for the handsome young Senator. But to his great credit he fought back and conquored his problem.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/09/2004 7:54 Comments || Top||

#9  Ole teddy is such a windbag -- the only way that Iraq could turn into a vietnam is if:
1. The media convinces the public we are losing
2. We pull out totally
3. And congress withdraws all support for Iraqi forces of freedom.

Without each one of these this will not be a vietnam. It is and will be tough and we will see horrific images on the news. But this does not mean we are parralled with vietnam. This is teddy scapping the barrell and trying to bring the ghosts out of the closet.
Posted by: Dan || 04/09/2004 10:47 Comments || Top||

#10  i think the public IS being convinced we are losing. I know hawkish people, Likud sympathizers, who think its all falling apart. Most people dont look past the headlines - Shia uprising, chaos all over, etc.

Fortunately this wont matter as long as congress holds. Joe Biden, Evan Bayh, and even Tom Daschle are all holding firm, which mean Kennedy and Byrd can only rant. And congress probably only needs to hold a few more weeks before things turn around more obviously in Iraq.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 04/09/2004 10:54 Comments || Top||

#11  Lets be realistic, nobody in the world has the power to turn Iraq into vietnam. It requires more than a name change, it requires the displacement and movement of millions of people (vietnamese and Iraqi) as well as the transplanting of vast tracks of jungle. It simply cannot be done. And I thought Trafficant was weird.
Posted by: ruprecht || 04/09/2004 14:18 Comments || Top||

#12  Vietnam was, basically, a Dem war. I think it's silly how they're whining and fussing at the Republicans about Iraq (as they lie through their teeth to the public): "See! See! You have a bad war too. It's not just us. We're not the only ones to blame!"

Somehow, I think they're just trying to protect Kerry.
Posted by: ex-lib || 04/09/2004 16:32 Comments || Top||

#13  Teddy is a festering gin-soaked hemroid on the body politic.
Posted by: Sgt.DT || 04/09/2004 18:35 Comments || Top||

#14  Teddy and Charles Rangel are the official democratic linemen. They come from safe districts and will act as blockers, saying the things that Kerry wants to say without tarnishing Kerry. Pretty much that means throwing a lot of mud at Bush and hoping some of it sticks.
Posted by: ruprecht || 04/09/2004 18:48 Comments || Top||

#15  What can't be said without assurances of anonimity is that we have all been misled, a great injustice has been done, and Teddy Kennedy maligned most unfairly.

As a Team Leader in the double-utltra-secret Martha's Vineyard Seals, Kennedy single-handedly and using only an ordinary automobile and the exquisite timing possible due to this man's hidden physical prowess, thwarted an invasion of our Eastern seaboard by enemy agents. The Al-Kopechne Brigades' complex plan was comprehensively defeated in this heroic effort and the entire plan rolled up by the double-ultra-secret Martha's Vineyard Seals on the first night of its sinister execution.

As is the case for CIA Operatives, Kennedy was awarded the [deleted - Ed] medal for his actions in the heroic defense of the United States, but no public mention has ever been - nor will it ever be - allowed.

A related issue deserves timely mention here. John Kerry is also a decorated member of the Martha's Vineyard Seals - his Navy Seal status has merely served as his cover. Suffice it to say he has also served heroicly in missions that cannot ever be revealed - which should explain to the discerning reader some aspects of why his Vietnam exploits of heroism received what might otherwise appear to be excessive recognition. It was simply a fortuitous convergence with his cover as a plain Navy Seal that allowed a grateful nation to show its gratitude to Kerry - though the true underlying actions remain secret. I hope this helps clear up a few questions for the doubters.

Both men are Saints. Not mere Catholic Saints, but True Blue American Saints. Supremely patriotic Men of the double-ultra-secret Martha's Vineyard Seals.

If my revelations are leaked and the truth should ever become public, I will be hunted down and killed by Tom Cruz (Cruise's true name, as revealed by the Scientology Seals' membership rolls) in Mission Impossible III, so mum's the word, please.
Posted by: .anonymous || 04/09/2004 20:59 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Clinton Signs Iraqi Liberation act - in 1998!
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Tennessee hills spout Texas tea
The WoT is all about the oil, right?
Amid sloping hills dotted with grazing Black Angus cattle in Pickett and Fentress counties, the most valuable money-making venture may be underground.
"Oh, listen to a story bout a man named Jed"
Last month, a Kentucky company hit oil on a farm in Pickett County. The pressure of oil naturally bubbling to the surface has been so great that the producers have been unable to remove the drill for the past 25 days.
"Up from the ground came a'bubbling crude. Oil, that is. Texas tea."
Its production has been reduced from a capacity of 800 barrels per day to about 500, which translates to more than $17,500 per day in revenue with today's high crude-oil prices.''It's an exceptional well,'' said Anthony Young of Young Oil Co. in Knob Lick, Ky. He bought the rights to several adjacent leases soon after the well hit. He plans to drill another 20 wells in the vicinity. ''This has been a hot area to drill in,'' he said. ''Tennessee is finally getting the recognition it deserves. It's a little Texas, I've always thought.''
"Only with trees..."
''There are thousands of acres east of this that have never been drilled,'' added Alan Murrell, one of the owners of Southeastern Energy, the company that discovered the oil. With prices climbing to a range of $35 to $38 a barrel, there is more incentive for investors to plunk down the risk money to explore and drill new wells. On average, one third of all drilled wells don't produce anything, despite seismic exploration techniques and other technology that has improved in recent years.
This is why the oil industry has so many booms and busts. Prices go up, more wells drilled and more oil pumped, supply goes up, prices fall, companies lose money and shut down. Supplies go down, prices go up. Rinse, repeat.
Posted by: Steve || 04/09/2004 10:50:28 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Stop the drilling now! Save the fragile Tennesse reef system! Save the Rocky Top Twisted Tortoise!
Posted by: abu bin quiet place || 04/09/2004 11:33 Comments || Top||

#2  we can only hope that this will tap into some deep dark well. Yes, Virginia, there is a God. Kerry must be bummed.
Posted by: B || 04/09/2004 11:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Does this mean the Titans get re-named the Oilers again?
Posted by: Dar || 04/09/2004 12:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Knob Lick??!??? I bet the claimed expat population/alumnus of that place is exactly zero. (Where ya from? Well, uhh....)
Posted by: Bodyguard || 04/09/2004 12:52 Comments || Top||

#5  I once had a professor in a class regarding energy in the early 80s. I'll never forget him saying that the area east of the Mississippi river was floating on a pool of oil. The guy seemed to know his stuff and I've always wondered what the deal was.
Posted by: Lucky || 04/09/2004 13:03 Comments || Top||

#6  The area of northern Louisiana was surveyed in the early 1930's, and hundreds of wells were drilled. Most hit oil at between 800 and 3500 feet, including two wells on land that now belongs to one of my cousins. The wells mostly played out in the late 1950's. One of my cousin's neighbors just had one of the major oil companies drill a new well a few hundred feet from the old one, and struck three oil-bearing layers. The only one commercially feasible was at 27,750 feet, and it would only produce aoout 200 barrels a day - not enough to make it worthwhile for them. Two miles away, they hit a totally different reservoir that produces over 1500 barrels a day - at 29,000 feet. There's probably as much oil and gas still in the ground as we've pumped, but finding it and getting it out is still an expensive gamble.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/09/2004 13:50 Comments || Top||

#7  Ulitmately it is my belief the way to win the WOT is for Western Civilization to become completely energy independent. If that means we have to wean our selves off of our current heavy oil use so be it. I'd rather pay a higher cost for gas right now if all of the oil came from the US or at least North America. Ultimately it would be cheaper for our nation given that even though the cost was higher we would not be funding the regimes of the asshats.
Posted by: Cheddarhead || 04/09/2004 15:57 Comments || Top||

#8  Old Patriot

Usually it is gas who propels oil to the surface and that means we get only a fraction of the oil contained before the gas runs out. Anyway in the sixties we only managed to extract 15% of the oil contained in a layer. Today it is significantly higher I think 25 or 30%. I am not sure but is possible that wells declared exhausted several decades ago could be reopened thanks to modern techniques allowing to get some of the 85% of the
oil who remained behind.
Posted by: JFM || 04/09/2004 16:24 Comments || Top||

#9  Cheddarhead: If that means we have to wean our selves off of our current heavy oil use so be it.

We are the Saudi Arabia of coal. We just need to find new ways of cleaning up the emissions and we're off to the races.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/09/2004 16:40 Comments || Top||

#10  high prices for gas? I just filled my new F-150 (I knew what I was getting when I bought it - no complaints) with Regular here in San Diego at $2.19/gal...I say Hugo Chavez should die and a refinery built in his name
Posted by: Frank G || 04/09/2004 20:50 Comments || Top||

#11  The first oil-boom towns were in Pennsylvania and Ohio, so this isn't all that surprising. I remember seeing wells pumping in central Ohio during the late '70s; they're all capped now because OPEC's managed to keep the prices low enough to make most wells in the US unprofitable. If OPEC keeps playing games, those wells will start looking good again, and the price will stabilize as they come on line.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 04/09/2004 22:54 Comments || Top||

#12  This is a scale problem. A 500 bpd 'gusher' is literally a drop in the ocean. You would need well in excess of ten thousand such finds to replace imports and find at least a thousand new ones a year thereafter and that ignores depletion.

What is needed is a completely new source of energy that has oils characteristics of being easy to get out the ground, easy to transport, and convenient to use at the point it is required. Coals problem is not that it is dirty. The problem is that it not convenient to use and is relatively hard to transport and get out the ground. Techology may be coming to the rescue with engineered bugs that convert coal in the ground into gas and oil. There are huge amounts of deep coal all over the world that will last for centuries. Now wait for the greenies to start their 'sky is falling' routine.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/09/2004 22:56 Comments || Top||

#13  2 things needed. ONe of which Bush is addressing, the other he is not (yet).

1) Hyrdogen economy - Fuel Cells. Use them in Hybrid vehicles. Cost effective if you can get a scalable way to deliver the hyrdogen - or better yet, create it where needed.

2) Nuclear plants. Lots of them. Get our electrical grid completely away from natural gas and oil, replace ALL of it with Nukes. Use Japanese style plants: they fail to a safe condition and require active measures to keep the reaction going, unlike the standard reactors we have now. Let the Navy train the operators, and the Marines train the guards - they've operated Nukes uder hard circumstances for half a century.

Do that and we get off the sauce except for what we produce - and that will only be needed for things like plastics.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/09/2004 23:50 Comments || Top||


How Gore aborted air safety - or why he is not running for Pres
EFL - this is dated material from 11/24/01 by Joseph Farah of WND. Delete if you think it isn’t pertinent but I don’t understand why the Report from the Gore Commission has not been touched on by the 9/11 Commission.
The country is united politically right now, so I’m sure I’ll be accused of divisiveness, partisan sniping, maybe even being unpatriotic by raising this issue. But, heck, I’ve been accused of worse. Last week the Wall Street Journal called me a "purveyor of obscenity." I’ll let you be the judge of whether that description suits me. I never let those criticisms bother me – especially not from uptight, corporate media establishment mouthpieces and spoiled, little, ivory-tower reactionaries.

So, today I’m going to tell you how Al Gore may have contributed, in his own politically ambitious, selfish way, to the deaths of some of the victims of the terrorist attacks Sept. 11. Following the downing of TWA Flight 800 in 1996, Gore was entrusted by President Clinton to investigate airline safety. He was named chairman of the White House Commission on Aviation Safety. The Gore commission produced what most observers considered to be a tough preliminary report unveiled Sept. 9 of that year – one that included tough counter-terrorism procedures.

But within days, according to an insider on the commission, the airline industry jumped all over Gore. As a result, 10 days later, Gore sent a letter to airline lobbyist Carol Hallett promising that the commission’s findings would not result in any loss of revenue. In what can only be seen as a pure political payoff, the Democratic National Committee received $40,000 from TWA the next day. Within two weeks, Northwest, United and American Airlines ponied up another $55,000 for the 1996 campaign.

But the money trail didn’t stop there. In the next two months leading up to the November elections, American Airlines donated $250,000 to the Democrats. United donated $100,000 to the DNC. Northwestern put $53,000 more into the kitty. Following the election, in January, Gore floated a draft final report that eliminated all security measures from the commission’s findings, according to the insider. Two commission members balked, as did CIA Director John Deutch.

Fearing more political heat, Gore pulled back the draft report. A month later, the final report was issued – one that included requirements that would cost the airlines some money, but, perhaps, save some lives in the future.

The report’s requirements included:
1. high-tech bomb detectors;
2. more training for airport security;
3. criminal background checks for security personnel;
4. increased canine patrols.
Only one thing was lacking from the report, said the whistleblower – there was no deadline by which those requirements would have to be met. It was open-ended. In other words, it wasn’t worth the paper on which it was written. In a meeting with other commission members Feb. 12, 1997, Gore said he would leave room for a dissent by those who opposed the report. But within minutes, Gore was announcing to the president and the public that the report was the work of a unanimous commission. In other words, he lied – again. In Washington, that might have been the end of the story. Scandals like this often go unnoticed. But one courageous lady, the dissenting member of the commission, Victoria Cummock, filed suit to gain access to files she was denied and for the right to file her dissent.

Who is Mrs. Cummock? She was appointed to the commission by Clinton because her husband was killed in the terrorist downing of Pan Am Flight 103 in Lockerbie, Scotland. She’s the insider. She’s the whistleblower. She’s the heroine of this story. All this was chronicled in a Tony Blankley column a year ago – a year and five days before the latest terrorist attack that killed all passengers and all the crew on four airliners as well as thousands on the ground at the World Trade Center and Pentagon Sept. 11.

Would any of that death and destruction have been prevented had Gore not crawled into bed with the airline industry thinking only in the short term about potential financial losses, not realizing it might be saving itself from much bigger losses in the future? I guess we’ll never know for sure. But remember this story the next time Al Gore rears his opportunistic political head on the national scene.
As WND is very partisan. I include an opposing viewpoint from Democrats.com. The article is titled: The Gore Commission Demanded Tougher Airline Security, But Airlines And Conservatives Said No - Janet Hessert Here is a link to the Final Report from the Commission on Aviation Safety and Security for the Al Gore fans and other masochists.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/09/2004 3:42:22 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  another airline lobbyist at the time was the wife of Sen Dascle
Posted by: mhw || 04/09/2004 8:48 Comments || Top||

#2  mhw, I think she was working for the FAA at the time and then, of course, found an incredibly lucrative new gig lobbying her former coworkers.The Democrats.com link does make a valid point that the FAA, in this episode certainly, acted more as a lobbying wing for the airlines than their regulator.

The commission does provide an interesting legacy for Gore as their original recommendations provided an excellent foundation for reforms.... after 3000 or so more people died, some of which were forced to jump to their deaths from an incredibly tall building. The Clinton Gore legacy looks bad, but how much worse will it look if the loss of TWA Flight 800 is revealed to be from a terrorist attack? Pass me a foil hat.

Note - If that does turn out to be the case, I won't be revelling. Instead I think I will head to church and pray for the souls lost when weak men betrayed our country.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/09/2004 13:44 Comments || Top||


Rice Testimony Transcript
Available at the link, courtesy FoxNews.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/09/2004 1:06:40 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


International-UN-NGOs
BBC World viewers: Globalisation and US are bigger threats than terror
Globalisation and the US pose a more serious threat to the world than war and terrorism, according to a BBC poll. Corruption came second on a list of the biggest problems facing the world, the survey of BBC viewers worldwide found.
Second? Guess I need to brush up on my maths. Unless they’re lumping the US and globalisation, two entirely different subjects, together. Now why on earth would they want to do that?
Conflicts - war and terrorism - ranked third, with 50%, followed by hunger, 49%, and climate change with 44%. BBC World asked 1,500 viewers of its news and international channel for the biggest problems in the world with 52% saying the US and globalisation. Respondents from Europe, Asia, North and South America, the Middle East, Africa and Australasia, ranked the power of the US and large corporations as the biggest worry (52.3%). BBC World’s head of research and planning Jeremy Nye said: "We were a little surprised that global superpowers...
(Plural?! What’s one plus, um, zero, again?)
...and corruption were ranked top but we will track whether they are gaining from topical interest or are of greater long-term significance." Wars and terrorism were ranked as the top concerns in Europe and the Middle East despite ranking third overall. Illiteracy was ranked sixth overall with 38% followed by nuclear proliferation, also 38%, and the persecution of minorities with 36%. Lack of drinking water and basic sanitation was ranked 12th, with 20%, while 16% rated migration as the most important problem.
Thanks, Beeb. Really useful and reliable stuff.
Posted by: Bulldog || 04/09/2004 3:43:40 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What crap! They ask one badly phrased question that demonstrates extreme bias in the first place - US and large corporations as the biggest worry and then blow it up into a scare headline. I am sure that many people interpeted this question as 'Large multinational corporations as the biggest worry' Some of the rest would have interpretted as 'the USA as the biggest worry'. No link to the questions and result. Shoddy journalism as well as shoddy polling. I can't wait for the Brits to shutdown the BBC.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/09/2004 4:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Phil B, the headline actually simply read:

'US is bigger threat than terror'

I did the BBC a favour by clarifying it when posting. You think they're biased?! The BBC doesn't give A Fucking Shit.
Posted by: Bulldog || 04/09/2004 4:14 Comments || Top||

#3  "You think they're biased?! The BBC doesn't give A Fucking Shit."

>True enough Bulldog, which is the same reason I don't give a fucking shit about the BBC.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/09/2004 8:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Yawn.

Reverend BBC asks the choir for an 'Amen.'
Posted by: badanov || 04/09/2004 8:28 Comments || Top||

#5  Bulldog

I think British should start a movement of civil disobedience on the BBC tax.
Posted by: JFM || 04/09/2004 9:13 Comments || Top||

#6  Well said, Badnov.

I for one hope they keep it up. Give them a shovel and let them keep digging. Comments like these marginalize and give them the same credibility that people like Tammy Faye Baker have to Christianity - eventually, only fools pay them heed.
Posted by: B || 04/09/2004 10:10 Comments || Top||

#7  If I was paying for just myself at the moment, I would seriously consider refusing. A recent poll suggests a majority of Britons are fed up with the situation, too, prefering a voluntary subscription service, or for the BBC to pay its bills through advertising revenue. That sentiment is bound to get stronger, IMO, as more and more people wake up to the injustice of the present situation, watch more alternative channels' TV, and whilst the BBC quality gets worse and worse, and panders to an ever diminishing audience.
Posted by: Bulldog || 04/09/2004 10:13 Comments || Top||

#8  Bulldog

If you refuse to pay by your own initiative then they will fine or jail you and you will lose. It has to be a _national_ movement of citizens refusing their taxes being diverted for supporting the opinions of BBC's nomenklatura. If a few hundred thousand people sign for not paying the BBC racket, if you have people demonstrating
on this, if you make it an electoral problem then you can get rid of the BBC tax. If the BBC people want to air their opinion then let's have them create a private broadcasting service. Those who have used BBC for promoting their opinions should refund the tax payer for every single penny involved in producing and broadcasting their emissions. Including their salaries of course.

Btw at www.eursoc.com you will find a quote from a BBC guy who tells BBC's duty is to fight euroscepticism. To fight it with the taxes stolen to people who don't want the UK being sucked in the EU.
Posted by: JFM || 04/09/2004 10:44 Comments || Top||

#9  Many people over here in the UK hate the Beeb for the way it constantly LIES or does not give the whole picture to suit their leftwing views. They lost the argument years ago which is why many of us either ignore them or are actively demanding the Beeb becomes commercial and not funded by the taxpayer. Unpatriotic b@@@@@ds - the lot of them.
Posted by: Anonymous4104 || 04/09/2004 11:21 Comments || Top||

#10  Man, sometimes I wish we were the horrid imperialist agressors we're painted. Then we could go stomp little pricks like this into oblivion.
Posted by: mojo || 04/09/2004 11:32 Comments || Top||

#11  Jarhead --
Unfortunately, we SHOULD give an f-ing sh*t about the BBC because they have a worldwide reach. Their propaganda is spread EVERYWHERE and it has a disproportionate influence in shaping world opinion. They are regarded as "objective". I don't know if they ever were (only started listening last year) but now they are anything but.
Posted by: docob || 04/09/2004 15:49 Comments || Top||

#12  I'm suprised only 52% thought US biggest threat.The poll was from viewers of BBC and it's nonstop anti-US,anti-capitalist broadcasts,and they could barely convince 1/2 their audience.
Posted by: Stephen || 04/09/2004 19:51 Comments || Top||

#13  The BBC is pitching big time for the Arab and Indian subcontinent market. I flew on Emirates a couple of months back and they were showing BBC news live on the cabin screen.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/09/2004 19:55 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
Zimbabwe gives Namibia lessons on National Suicide
Zimbabwe has sent six land evaluators to Namibia in a move that could accelerate a planned expropriation of white-owned farms. They arrived in Windhoek this week to advise officials on how to carry out land redistribution, the newspaper The Namibian reported. Ndali-Che Kamati, the Namibian ambassador to Harare, said it was hoped that President Robert Mugabe's regime would be able to help the government of President Sam Nujoma. "We just started implementing our land reform and in that regard we have a lot to learn from the Zimbabwean experience," Mr Kamati told the Zimbabwean Government-controlled daily The Herald.
Sigh, it just writes itself, doesn't it?
About 4000 white farmers own about half of Namibia's arable land. Since the land reform began in 1990, 118 farms have been taken bought by the Government and 37,100 people have been resettled. In Zimbabwe the land seizures have been violent, with Mugabe supporters grabbing more than 90 per cent of previously white-owned farms as well as land owned by some black farmers. The country's agricultural output has decreased by so much it has been forced to rely on international food aid for three years.
And this is the goal Namibia has set for itself?
Mr Nujoma has copied many of Mr Mugabe's practices, including tirades against gays, sending troops to Congo's war, building a lavish presidential palace and altering the constitution to extend his time in power. Although he recently said he would not seek a fourth term, it is believed he intends to speed up land redistribution to ensure his SWAPO party wins the next election.
Studying at the feet of the master.
The Zimbabwean land specialists will suggest how to determine the compensation to be offered for developments on the commercial farms.
"We'll make them an offer they can't refuse."
Zimbabwe has refused to pay compensation for land it has seized from white farmers, on the grounds that the land was originally stolen from the African people. Mr Mugabe said his government would pay compensation only for improvements such as buildings and wells, but in practice this has not been done. The arrival of the Zimbabweans has prompted speculation that the Namibian Government may seize land. Latest estimates suggest it will take 40 years before half of the white-owned land is in the hands of poor black Namibians.
But only two years before it's in the hands of Sam's thugs, er, supporters.
An Institute for Public Research study said the Government's land policies had led to only 1 per cent of commercial land being redistributed a year. This meant the issue was "unlikely to be resolved soon" and would "continue to hold back national economic development by aggravating racial tension and creating uncertainty".
"We need to speed up the plunge into the abyss."
Namibia recently said it would be expropriating land for resettlement purposes. The study called for clear targets. "Is 50 per cent of total commercial farmland sufficient within a generation or should it be 75 per cent within 10 years? What is a politically acceptable racial balance?"
"How much can we steal before we have to board that plane just ahead of the mob?"
Posted by: Steve || 04/09/2004 9:55:50 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh yeah - kick out the whites and give it to the folks from the slums of Windhoek, who have no clue about running a big farm. It worked so well in Zimbabwe, after all...
Posted by: mojo || 04/09/2004 11:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Let's kick out all the evil white farmers! Great, we finally got all of our land back. Does anyone know how to start/drive/operate/repair this tractor? I'm hungry!

It's really hard to have any sympathy for countries that expropriate arable land only to place it in the hands of incompetents during a major famine.

We should let starvation run its course so as to weed out the morons who support this sort of ill thought out strategy. Why should we send in aid when they've intentionally crippled their own internal food production? Let 'em starve until they figure out some fundamental productivity equations.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/09/2004 16:45 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Liberation Day: recommended reading on the anniversary of the liberation of Baghdad, 2003.
Feel free to suggest other worthy articles in the comments.
The balloon goes up:
Rantburg postings, March 20, 2003:
"Iraq fires Scud toward U.S. troops"
"U.S. missiles target Saddam"
Included here not for the articles themselves (though they are worth reading in their own right) but for the comment threads, which include live-from-the-scene reportage by Rantburg regular "Bodyguard."

Steve Smith, "WAR IN THE GULF: William Wallace leads ground war to liberate the Iraqis from Saddam" The Daily Record (March 20, 2003). -- "Scotland’s cavalry, the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, flew the Lion Rampant as the move forward began."

James Lileks, "The Daily Bleat" (March 21, 2003).
Combat reporting and other eyewitness accounts:
Brian Taylor, "A Frontline Account," The Wall Street Journal (serialized diary) Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5

Michael Kelly, "Across the Euphrates" (April 3, 2004) (LRR). -- The late writer’s last column; a vivid account of the 3rd Infantry’s attack out of the Karbala Gap into Baghdad.

Gethin Chamberlain, "Bagpipes play as the Black Watch takes Basra" The Scotsman (April 7, 2003). -- Attacking accompanied by bagpipes -- that, my friends, is class!

Vernon Loeb, "Thunder Run" Washington Post (October 13, 2003). -- The brigade-sized reconaissance-in-force that began the fall of Baghdad. One of history’s most audacious military actions.

"Baghdad Battles - A Frontline Report" Strategy Page. -- An account of the "Battle of the Three Stooges" along the airport road: "Can you imagine the cohesiveness of a unit where rather than move away from a tank attack the platoon sergeant drives out to draw fire away from his platoon leader?"

Adam Lusher, "The 10-hour battle for Curly, Larry and Moe" London Telegraph (April 13, 2003). -- More on the "Thunder Run" and the "Battle of the Three Stooges."

Mark Oliver, "Baghdad celebrates" The Guardian (April 9, 2003).

Richard Tomkins, "War Diary: Tales from the front" (March 22, 2003).

Ray L. Smith & bing west, The March Up: Taking Baghdad With the First Marine Division (book).
Commentary and analysis:
Peggy Noonan, "Eyes on the Prize" The Wall Street Journal (March 24, 2003).

James Lileks, "The Daily Bleat" (April 9, 2003) -- "Allied troops liberated a children’s jail today. I wish that sentence made no sense."

William Shawcross, "Baghdad Day" Wall Street Journal (April 10, 2003). -- "April 9 is not just spring, it is for Iraqis eternal spring."

Victor Davis Hanson, "Yesterday’s News" National Review Online (April 10, 2003).

Victor Davis Hanson, "Anatomy of the Three-Week War" National Review Online (April 16, 2003).
Comic relief:
Robert Fisk, "Saddam’s masters of concealment dig in, ready for battle" (April 3, 2003) -- "The road to the front in central Iraq is a place of fast-moving vehicles, blazing Iraqi anti-aircraft guns, tanks and trucks hidden in palm groves, a train of armoured vehicles bombed from the air and hundreds of artillery positions dug into revetments to defend the capital. That a Western journalist could see so much of Iraq’s military preparedness says as much for the Iraqi government’s self-confidence as it does for the need of Saddam Hussein’s regime to make propaganda against its enemies."

Robert Fisk, "So where are the Americans?" (April 4, 2003) -- "Only three hours earlier, the BBC had reported claims that forward units of an American mechanised infantry division were less than 16km west of Baghdad -- and that some US troops had taken up positions on the very edge of the international airport. But I was 27km west of the city. And there were no Americans, . . ."

Robert Fisk, "Allies ’sieze most of Baghdad airport’" (April 5, 2003) -- "All that stuff I wrote the last two days--fugghetaboudit!"

Dan Plesch, "It’s Not Over Yet" The Guardian (April 9, 2003). -- Had the misfortune to be published in the same issue as "Baghdad celebrates."

Edward Said, "The Academy of Lagado" London Review of Books (cover date April 17, 2003). -- Begins with a paean to the "resistance and anger of the Iraqi population." That’s what happens sometimes when your publisher sets the deadline too early.

"Baghad Bob" fan site -- At least as accurate as Robert Fisk’s reporting!
One more thing:
Matt Labash, "The Hardest Job in the Army" The Weekly Standard (May 19, 2003). -- "Take up our quarrel with the foe:/To you from failing hands we throw/The torch; be yours to hold it high./If ye break faith with us who die./We shall not sleep, . . . "
Posted by: Mike || 04/09/2004 5:59:40 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nice compilation, Mike--Thanks!
Posted by: Dar || 04/09/2004 11:09 Comments || Top||

#2  That Michael Kelly "Across the Euphrates" link apparently is part of a WP archive requiring payment. Here's the article at JWR.
Posted by: Dar || 04/09/2004 11:27 Comments || Top||


German Press Review: Specter of Vietnam Haunts U.S.
Whatever else it is, it’s not Vietnam. But the left, just like some generals, are always fighting the last war, and that’s why they are irrelevant.
Most German papers weren’t published Friday due to the Good Friday holiday. Editorialists who did get printed weighed in on the unrest in Iraq, terrorism fears at the Vatican and Germany’s unpopular central bank chief.

The WestfÀlische Nachrichten said the gruesome television pictures of the kidnap victims show that the violent militia led by Moqtada Sadr are capable of almost anything. America will therefore respond with all its military might. That is the only way to stop the unrest from spreading and to regain control of Iraq. It will also become more difficult for the United States to relinquish its unpopular role as an occupier, one of the preconditions for peace in Iraq. Washington faces a dilemma. A political solution to the conflict sponsored by the Americans looks less and less likely. The United Nations could throw a lifeline, but as Iraq is on the verge of civil war, it is likely to be quite out of reach.

The LÃŒbecker Nachrichten said the specter of Vietnam is haunting America, the fear of involvement in a war that will paralyze a superpower and throw a whole region into turmoil. But the fear may be overstated, the paper wrote. The rebels in Iraq do not have a whole country, like North Vietnam did, behind them. But even a long, drawn-out war against Iraqi guerrillas would cost thousands of lives. It would also spur the recruitment of even more Islamic terrorists.

In the Vatican, Pope John Paul has started four hectic days of services in the run up to Easter. Last week Italian media reported that intelligence agencies had warned the pontiff might be the target of an attack during the Easter period. The Neue WestfÀlische had the following words of contemplation. Even if our vision of a perfect world has taken a few knocks, the paper said, we should not join in efforts to destroy it. We should grasp this period of upheaval as an opportunity to build a better world. This starts with the education of our children and passing on to them the knowledge that violence leads nowhere.

While there has been no shortage of major international news in the German papers this week, commentators have been using a lot of ink on a domestic story centering around Bundesbank President, Ernst Welteke. Welteke has coming under fire from all corners of the German political establishment for letting Germany’s Dresdner Bank, pay a hotel bill for him totaling over €7,000. The German central bank said on Wednesday that Welteke would take a leave of absence, but it saw no grounds for his dismissal. The government called that decision inappropriate and urged Welteke to take the necessary consequences, an unmistakable call for his resignation. The Mittelbayerische Zeitung underlines that the German government would not be sorry to see to Welteke depart. In the European Central Bank, he is hardly a major player. He has simply been unable to acquire the authority and aura that previous presidents of the Bundesbank possessed.
Posted by: tipper || 04/09/2004 10:03:49 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I've said this before...but I think it bears repeating. While this Vietnam thing plays well on the golden oldies channel, it's not just not pumping up the crowds.

Why does this whole Vietnam thing give me the mental image of aunts and uncles trying to boogie at a wedding? Am I the only one who sees Uncle Ted trying to do the gator but has to stop when he throws out his back?

Rock on grandpa...the rest of us will smile, laugh and give you a thumbs up, but we really aren't laughing WITH you...if you know what I mean.
Posted by: B || 04/09/2004 11:47 Comments || Top||

#2  German Press Review: Specter of Vietnam Haunts U.S.

Well let's see: about 600 or so soldiers have died in Iraq so far, so there's 57,400 more to go and at least nine more years until Vietnam is equaled. Any chance of the Veitnam experience being repeated? Nope.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/09/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Maybe if they said the specter of Vietnam is haunting Europe, it might be accurate.

I wish they would quit bringing up Vietnam. It always makes me want to go out and get some pho. ;)
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 04/09/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||

#4  "violence leads nowhere"
Wow, how deep! Too bad the jihadis do not know this "fact". Look what violence has brought to them- dhimmitude from most of Western Europe, a great hope of renewal of the caliphate.

Our emenies have a vision of a perfect world too. Listening to this pope will help them readily obtain their goal of worldwide peace (submission to the moon god). Uh, Holy Father, what part of "kill all infidels" do you not understand?
Posted by: Craig || 04/09/2004 13:15 Comments || Top||

#5  Its Vietnam as far as the left, Europe, and the media are concerned. The bad guys have read the playbook and decided to try to make their own Tet. The good guys are killing lots of them, just as in Tet.

If this is another Vietnam, at least we have hindsight to know not to get wobbly and listen to the appeasers and peaceniks this time.
Posted by: ruprecht || 04/09/2004 13:42 Comments || Top||

#6  russia today said this about European criticism of their ops in Chechnya
The fact that the EU countries have resorted to submitting a resolution shows that they are putting the political process in the North Caucasus region in doubt. Moreover, it is a kind of encouragement to terrorists and runs counter to the uncompromising struggle against international terrorism."

On the very same day, Russia condemned the US for a "disproportionate response" in Iraq.

Where Im from we call that chutzpah.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 04/09/2004 13:48 Comments || Top||

#7  Here's a primer on the reasons for urban combat, the thought behind applying different levels of force and the way to win engagements, excerpted from an Army War College study:

Although there is much about the Tet attacks against Saigon and Hue that is indeed unique, the battles offer several lessons that planners and warfighters should consider in thinking about future Military Operations in Urban Terrain (MOUT). A clear lesson is that MOUT vary in intensity. Everything from crowd control to small-unit actions to high-intensity conventional combat can occur in an urban setting. Planners should thus make an effort to ensure that planning and training reflect these variations in urban operations. Armored units that practice urban assaults using all of the firepower at their disposal, for instance, should recognize that their training is appropriate to only one form of urban warfare. Using heavy weapons to dislodge a small guerrilla unit that has seized an installation might work, but it would also prove to be politically counterproductive. But as the Battle for Hue demonstrates, if a large or well-armed enemy unit intends to use a city as a field fortification, urban warfare quickly degenerates into siege warfare, involving heavy weapons and enormous casualties and destruction.

Cities that are descending into chaos quickly must be isolated from the surrounding countryside. Whatever the source of urban turmoil—insurrection, terrorist attacks, or simple anarchy—outside reinforcements, supplies, or sympathizers must be prevented from reaching the centers of urban disturbances. If reinforcements can be kept from urban centers, units eventually will run out of ammunition, supplies, and personnel as security forces systematically isolate and neutralize pockets of resistance. In Saigon, sappers and cadre enjoyed some initial success, but were quickly killed or rounded up when their planned reinforcements were prevented from entering the city to capitalize on the turmoil they had created or the footholds they had gained. By contrast, PAVN in Hue had several days to resupply, build defenses, and carry out their house-to-house search for government officials. PAVN, however, made the mistake of not eliminating pockets of allied resistance in Hue, which allowed Allied units to mount simultaneous assaults on PAVN positions from both inside and outside Hue.

Additionally, the Tet attacks suggest that, almost by definition, urban warfare can emerge as a surprise to local inhabitants and friendly forces alike. Initially, the battles for Saigon and Hue were fought by military and base police, headquarters personnel, and logistic troops who never thought they would be called upon to defend their installations in cities that were considered relatively secure, even in the midst of a guerrilla war and insurgency.

Clearly, the mood in urban areas can change quickly. Even cities considered friendly to U.S. forces could burst into violence sparked by some external event, local incident, or opposition cadre. In other words, it is difficult to predict when latent hostility towards U.S. policy or a military presence will produce attacks on isolated American units or installations. This raises an important question. Should planners expect to have regular infantry or mechanized units positioned to respond to urban unrest? Or will armored and infantry units—which are in increasingly short supply—be confronting similar units “at the front”? Will commanders be willing or able to task their most capable units (measured in terms of their organic firepower) to guard against street disturbances?

Finally, the Tet attacks demonstrate that urban warfare is fought before an extremely attentive audience, namely, the inhabitants of the city under attack. Indeed, the decision to undertake urban operations is grave in itself: even desperate opponents are unlikely to threaten civilians and the centers and symbols of national authority unless they believe the potential political gains outweigh the risks. The way U.S. forces respond to urban disturbances is crucial, because their operations will send a political message to all concerned about the credibility of American commitments and the nature of American policy toward a specific conflict, issue, or area. In other words, it might be possible that U.S. forces could win an urban engagement, but lose political support for American objectives because of negative public perceptions concerning the conduct of U.S. military operations. Today, given the density of communication networks in urban areas, U.S. commanders must realize that MOUT will be conducted before a global audience able to observe events in real time. Given the prospects for global news coverage, urban operations will have widespread and immediate political ramifications.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/09/2004 14:52 Comments || Top||

#8  Zhang - thanks, that's interesting. But saying one learned lessons from the Tet offensive (a good thing) and saying this is Bush's Tet are another. It's really like saying Bacon's Rebellion was George Washington's Revolutionary War. While their root causes were similar - they weren't the same at all....different place, time and situations.

If we have learned anything from Vietnam - it is that if you allow the media and self-interested (as opposed to nationally interested) politicians to drive your actions, then you might as well just bring the troops home and start learning the Koran.

Times have changed. Americans have changed. It just isn't Tet no matter how badly Jane Fonda, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry want to relive their glory days.

But you are right...we should learn from Tet and move forward.
Posted by: anon || 04/09/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Algerian President Bouteflika Re-Elected
Supporters of President Abdelaziz Bouteflika flooded the streets of Algeria's capital on Thursday, claiming victory in a presidential election that rivals insist was marred by fraud. Riot police jostled with journalists and fired tear gas to disperse a crowd of Bouteflika opponents who tried to protest in central Algiers, claiming his allies hijacked the vote. The final polls closed at around 9 p.m., though official results were not expected until Friday morning. But many supporters of the president were already claiming victory. "This is a moment of great joy - we are going to win in the first round," said Abdeslam Bouchouareb, a Bouteflika campaign spokesman. "The seeds we planted for the country have borne fruit." Meanwhile, throughout the capital supporters of the president blared car horns and brandished large photos of Bouteflika as they sped through the city's winding streets in cars and trucks. Allies of former Prime Minister Ali Benflis, Islamic candidate Abdallah Djeballah and Kabylie regional leader Said Sadi had sought to organize a rally. "They burned ballot boxes, harassed our election observers and blocked streets leading to the polls," said Ali Mimouni, a spokesman for Benflis. "That confirms the fraud we were expecting."
Nope, not one twitch.
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Africa: Subsaharan
France to "examine situation" after Rwanda genocide row
France will consider the implications of the row over its alleged complicity in the Rwandan genocide ten years ago once this week of commemoration is over, Foreign Minister Michel Barnier said. "We will examine the situation in depth, but because of this week of contemplation I have nothing to add at this stage," Barnier told a news conference.
He didn't look happy, either.
Rwandan authorities on Thursday reiterated the allegation that France had been involved in the genocide, following a new onslaught by President Paul Kagame, who had accused France of complicity in the massacres of 1994. Kagame's statements during genocide commemorations in the Rwandan capital, Kigali, on Wednesday led France's junior foreign affairs minister Renaud Muselier to cut short his visit. "It is factually correct that France armed and trained members of the former Rwandan army and allied militia, many of whom later took part in the genocide," Richard Sezibera, Kagame's special envoy for the central African Great Lakes region, said Thursday. In response to Kagame's charges, Barnier said: "Serious accusations, contrary to the truth, were made against France. Because we think this week is a week of contemplation and of commemoration and not one for controversy, we chose to withdraw in the usual French manner in a dignified way."
"Where's my huff? I'm leaving!"
"They (France) knowingly trained and armed the government soldiers and militias who were going to commit genocide and they knew they were going to commit genocide," Kagame said at a ceremony at the country's national stadium. Pressing the points home Thursday, Sezibera told AFP: "We would hope that they would study the matter in depth. ... We would hope they would come clean on the role of French troops and French officers in Rwanda and we hope that France will no longer deny its role in the genocide in Rwanda."
Two chances: slim and none.
The comments from Kigali marked a further degeneration in a diplomatic stand-off between Paris and Rwanda, which has centred on claims that France trained the Hutu extremists who ended up killing some 800,000 people between April and July 1994. The atmosphere worsened last month when the Paris newspaper Le Monde published allegations that Kagame, then head of the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF), had ordered the missile attack on the aircraft of Hutu President Juvenal Habyarimana, whose death sparked the massacres. French government figures from the time such as former prime minister Alain Juppe have angrily denied prior French knowledge of the genocide. Hubert Vedrine, who was a senior aide to Socialist president Francois Mitterrand from 1991 to 1995, said that French action had been aimed at averting the massacres that "everyone" feared, but admitted the policy had failed.
You might say.
Speaking Thursday on Radio France Internationale, Vedrine said France had trained the mainly Hutu army to defend itself against attacks from Uganda -- which backed the RPF -- and that in return France demanded that Habyarimana's government move to establish power-sharing with the Tutsis. "The objective of this French policy -- alas -- clearly failed. But its aim was to stop a return to massacres, to try to get over this Hutu-Tutsi issue which is still not resolved today," he said.
"Since our hearts were in the right place, the results do not concern us!"
Posted by: Steve White || 04/09/2004 12:27:45 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "They (France) knowingly trained and armed the government soldiers and militias who were going to commit genocide and they knew they were going to commit genocide," Kagame said at a ceremony at the country's national stadium.

Thank goodness Kagame has absolutely nothing to hide. Oh, wait ...

Genocide witnesses 'being killed'

The Rwandan Government has been urged to halt the murder and intimidation of potential witnesses to the genocide in 1994 during which 800,000 people died. An organisation representing survivors of the genocide, Ibuka, says a number of people have been killed this year.

Spokesman Benoit Kaboyi says witnesses are being silenced in an attempt to undermine a rural justice system introduced in Rwanda 18 months ago.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/09/2004 4:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Zenster, I don't know that identifying the good guys with respect to the Rwanda genocide is as hard as you are making it. I speculate that most of the blameless now rest peacefully.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/09/2004 5:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Im seeing a partnership with Air America in the near future.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/09/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||



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