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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Supply Chains. How the Navy sabotaged MacArthur in Leyte and for the Japan invasion.
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Posted by: 3dc || 07/06/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [15 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The people who created globalism will never stop. They will gladly inflict suffering on us so that they can keep chasing their dreams.

All of these people have names and addresses.
Posted by: Albemarle Snerert7268 || 07/06/2022 0:55 Comments || Top||

#2  I am not experiencing supply chain issues. My father fought in Leyte Gulf. He never complained about the logistics.
Posted by: Black Charlie Slairt1430 || 07/06/2022 2:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Globalism's goal is to bring everyone (except the very rich) down to the Cuba, Zim and Mozambique level of gov't dependency. No middle class or hope for upward mobility. Every one will be equal and enjoy 'equity' in the global gutter.

Sound like communism does jt? That's exactly wat it is.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/06/2022 7:37 Comments || Top||

#4  Nobody ever got promoted for putting another branch's goals ahead of his own branch's.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 07/06/2022 7:43 Comments || Top||

#5  #3 I resisted thoughts along those lines for quite some time. But you can see it in real time in Sri Lanka, Pakistan, and now even Holland. There's no getting around it and this lunatic bating of the Russians seems to make perfect sense to the Davos crowd.
Posted by: Cesare || 07/06/2022 7:46 Comments || Top||

#6  Gov't contro is the key:

Control of the banks.
Control of meds.
Control of education.
Control of energy.
Control of voting.
Control of employment.
Control of farming and food production.
Control of the airlines and travel.
Control of the media.


Posted by: Besoeker || 07/06/2022 7:50 Comments || Top||

#7  Control of immigration.
Control of wages and prices (soon to come)

Biden already telling the oil companies to lower gasoline prices.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/06/2022 7:56 Comments || Top||

#8  Gov Gavin Nosense will soon be using gov't money to relo people to California. Got to have replacement people. Can't afford to lose house seats or education $$$$. Old Soviet technique, relo and replacement people.



Posted by: Besoeker || 07/06/2022 8:08 Comments || Top||

#9  According to libcom dot org the BOAK group took responsibility for both derailings on the Trans Siberian railroad in the past 10 days
Posted by: Cloluck Bourbon1058 || 07/06/2022 8:20 Comments || Top||

#10  Big Chinese box stores support gov't woke agenda, hop in bed with the politicians. Take the SNAP. They have lobby guys on K street who help craft regs and legislation. Costs them pennies. Meanwhile small business has to suck it up and continue to go broke. Box stores sit back and smile as family owned businesses go under.

The rich get richer.


Posted by: Besoeker || 07/06/2022 8:47 Comments || Top||

#11  Worthless video, it's not closed captioning. my hearing ain't what it used to be.
Posted by: Seeking Cure For Ignorance || 07/06/2022 13:39 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Personal data of employees of the GUR MOU
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.

Commentary by Russian military journalist Boris Rozhin.

[ColonelCassad] The hacker group RaHDit has published a large array of personal data on employees of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. The data of 1000 employees are posted and the continuation of publications is promised.

As the hackers write, the computer networks of the Main Intelligence Directorate in Kyiv were hacked, which turned out to be insufficiently protected, as a result of which the personal data of employees of the department working both in Ukraine and abroad under diplomatic cover got into the public domain.

According to the GUR, this is one of the largest leaks since 2014 - earlier, of course, information leaked from there, but not in such volumes and not with such consequences.

Link to materials https://nemez1da.ru/voennye-prestupniki/gur/
Link is dead.

About the 2014 hack:

I had the impression at the time that the first hack was merely a stolen thumb drive, taken from a US state department employee.
Posted by: badanov || 07/06/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:


On the prospects for the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.

Commentary by Russian military journalist Boris Rozhin.

Please note that Rozhin only recent came from a Russian ministry of defense briefing conference for bloggers in Moskva. This all is straight from them.

[ColonelCassad] Regarding the questions about the prospects for more or less large-scale offensives of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the summer of 2022.

Given the current trends, the Armed Forces of Ukraine seem to have two realistic options.

1. Krivoy Rog-Nikopol direction. The task is to squeeze out a piece of the bridgehead of the RF Armed Forces on the right bank
(west bank of the Dnepr River)
, remove the threat to Krivoy Rog and Nikopol, and push the RF Armed Forces directly to Kherson. Of course, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have the strength to storm, just as the attack on Kherson from Nikolaev does not promise success. But you can already try to sell the reduction of the foothold on the right bank as a victory.

2. Zaporozhye direction. They may try to take Vasilievka, advance to the Pologi and, with a successful development of events, to Tokmak.

Relying on Zaporozhye, the accumulation of forces can be carried out on the Orekhov-Gulyaipole front. Such an offensive would show a willingness to challenge the claims of the Russian Federation for control of the Zaporozhye region.

3. Local counterattacks are possible in the Kharkov, Izyum or Donetsk directions, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine can hardly count on significant successes there due to the serious superiority of the RF Armed Forces in artillery and aviation.

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation may benefit from such counter-offensives if they are detected in a timely manner, since in this case it is possible to inflict serious losses in people and equipment on the most combat-ready units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in a short time.

The main difficulties for any counter-offensive attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine are that most of the aid from the West and the available units are sent to the Donbass to hold the front, which makes it difficult to accumulate reserves that could be used for counterattacks. However, work is underway in this direction, and the stated dates - the second half of July - August, are quite realistic, so you should not underestimate the readiness of the enemy for such actions, especially since, for political reasons, the United States needs at least some kind of military victory before the midterm elections this fall. of the year.

The lack of victories will have consequences not only and not so much for the Zelensky gang, but also for the Biden administration, which will be criticized, including for the lack of effectiveness of military support for the Zelensky gang, and this is already a domestic political factor. Therefore, there will certainly be a Ukrainian offensive in the summer, regardless of whether the Armed Forces of Ukraine are ready for it or not. Therefore, reconnaissance plays an important role, which should uncover preparations for such an offensive in advance and provide the necessary time to stop such enemy efforts.

Posted by: badanov || 07/06/2022 04:37 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Why no mention of the ongoing Ukrainian push to destroy the Russian LOGISTICS system? That has a lot more long term potential than small changes of front-lines.
The Russians have a flawed logistics system and the Ukrainians have identified and begun to respond in effective ways to it's flaws.
Posted by: 3dc || 07/06/2022 6:44 Comments || Top||

#2  Also, no discussion of the actions by special units deep deep in Russia destroying transportation, arms depots and arm development and manufacturing.

Even the derailment of the Trans-Siberian RR that shut it down for about 30 hours.
Posted by: 3dc || 07/06/2022 6:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Russian infrastructure is, crudely, based on railroads. They have 30,000 some troops allocated to repairs and improvements to the rail system. If it fails they don't have a transport system that can move ammo more then 90km without major hassles.
Posted by: 3dc || 07/06/2022 6:53 Comments || Top||

#4  Might have to move to the Burg 'high side' to discuss the TSRR
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/06/2022 7:28 Comments || Top||

#5  #3 Russian infrastructure is, crudely, based on railroads. They have 30,000 some troops allocated to repairs and improvements to the rail system. If it fails they don't have a transport system that can move ammo more then 90km without major hassles.

Russian railroad troops are a separate branch within the Russian security infrastructure.
Posted by: badanov || 07/06/2022 9:13 Comments || Top||


October 1919. Baltic States and Petrograd
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
by Oleg Airapetov

[Regnum] On October 16, the Defense Council decided "... to hold Petrograd at all costs until the arrival of reinforcements that have already been sent ... Therefore, to defend Petrograd to the last drop of blood, not yielding a single inch and fighting on the streets of the city." On the same day, Trotsky decided:

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Posted by: badanov || 07/06/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under:


Let Nakhimov come!
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
by Platon Besedin

[REGNUM] July 5, 2022 marks the 220th anniversary of the birth of Pavel Stepanovich Nakhimov . Perhaps the largest events on this occasion are held in my home city, the hero of Sevastopol . Yes, Pavel Stepanovich was born in the village of Gorodok, Smolensk province, but his life, as they say in such cases, was forever connected with the white-stone city near the Black Sea. Here Nakhimov earned well-deserved fame. And here he died. In the physical sense, he died, because a person lives as long as the memory of him lives.

It makes no sense, perhaps, to list all the merits, victories and achievements of Pavel Stepanovich, of which there were a great many. Others will do it for me. It is important to understand and voice something else: what place does Nakhimov occupy in the modern world order and worldview? What is Pavel Stepanovich talking to us today? And in this context, I insist that Nakhimov is primarily not about the past, but about the present. Considering the events that unfolded on February 24, 2022, his work, his testaments are more alive than all the living.

Nakhimov permeated and connected the entire Crimean space. Already toponymically, the name of Pavel Stepanovich pervades Sevastopol and the Crimea. The main square of the hero city is named after Nakhimov. A magnificent monument to him adorns this iconic space. Significant, if only because it was here, on February 23, 2014, that the inhabitants of Sevastopol made their civilizational choice, declaring that they wanted to be in Russia and with Russia. It was a movement not from, but to, which is extremely important to understand. And this choice was observed by Pavel Stepanovich Nakhimov.

One of the city districts of Sevastopol is named after him. And on the Central Hill of the Hero City, this Russian Acropolis, you climb the Sinop Stairs, built and named after the victory of the Black Sea Fleet squadron under the command of Vice Admiral Nakhimov over the Turkish squadron in the Sinop Bay. Then, by the way, the name of Pavel Stepanovich sounded throughout Russia. Nakhimov cannot be removed from Sevastopol - and thank God! Yes, and in Sudak, Belogorsk, Dzhankoy, and other settlements of Crimea there are streets named after the great naval commander.

Why is it important? The name of Nakhimov holds the Crimean peninsula together and does not let us forget what role he played, is playing and will continue to play in Russian history. But this is not only evidence of greatness, a reminder, but also a kind of guiding star, a talisman against the plague of unconsciousness, when something that, on the contrary, should live forever, crumbles. How many such examples have we seen? And what misfortunes they, like a broken convoy, dragged along with them.

Today it is especially important to remember how Pavel Stepanovich treated his colleagues, subordinates, and people in general. In battles, he protected and inspired them. Nakhimov was called both the guardian angel, and the father-benefactor, and the sailor's dad - they called their own sailors and officers. And he answered them like this: “From a young age I was a constant witness to your labors and readiness to die at the first order; we have become friends for a long time, I am proud of you since childhood. Honest words from an honest man. The historian Tarle wrote that Pavel Stepanovich forgot to fall in love, forgot to marry, but the team, the fleet, to which he really treated with paternal care, became his family, his home.

He did not just lead, he was part of the mass that rushed towards one goal, its flaming core. Nakhimov gave them all of himself, without a trace. His personal feat became an inspiring example for others. And it was not dashing hussars, but truly Christian self-sacrifice and humility. Actually, Pavel Stepanovich always remained a deeply religious person, he wore a family cross-reliquary on his body. And he also idolized Russian culture, wary of the passion for everything foreign. There was no pose in this - Nakhimov simply remained a deeply Russian person.

Agree, here one would just like to recall the textbook: “Yes, there were people in our time, not like the current tribe ...” And indeed, people, because not only Nakhimov, although he was unique, we should be proud - then there was such a striking and salutary thing, like continuity. Nakhimov studied with Lazarev, and then instructed the others.

Of course, there was enough rubbish. After all, the same Kazarsky, the commander of the legendary brig "Mercury", who survived and won the battle with two Turkish battleships, was poisoned when he was investigating corruption cases. But one way or another, we should equal ourselves not by the worst, but by the best, and judge ideals by them, the essence of which, in my opinion, is contained in the lines from the letter of Nikolai Ivanovich Pirogov, another legendary hero of the Crimean War.

He wrote them to his wife from the besieged Sevastopol: “We live on earth not only for ourselves; remember that a great drama is being played out before us, to which the consequences will respond, perhaps in whole centuries; it is a sin to be, with folded hands, to be only an idle spectator…” And further: “Those whose heart for the high and holy has not yet cooled down cannot look at everything that is happening around us, look with a one-sided egoistic look…”

Pavel Stepanovich Nakhimov was also guided by this principle. With his will, talent and, above all, self-sacrifice. The word "feat" is untranslatable from Russian into any language of the world, meanwhile, Pavel Stepanovich Nakhimov became its actual, materialized incarnation. And the feat in his case became an everyday act. Agree, today Nakhimov is somehow especially lacking.

Sevastopol celebrates the 220th anniversary of Admiral Nakhimov - photo report
See the link in the title for photos of the commemoration.
[REGNUM] Large-scale events on the occasion of the 220th birthday of the legendary admiral, one of the leaders of the defense of Sevastopol Pavel Stepanovich Nakhimov are held on July 5 in the hero city. IA REGNUM invites readers to immerse themselves in the atmosphere of the holiday together with photojournalist Alexander Polegenko.

July 5 is a special date for Sevastopol residents. On this day in 1802, Pavel Nakhimov was born, who became an outstanding naval commander and one of the leaders of the legendary defense of Sevastopol in 1854-1855.

Sevastopol residents traditionally celebrate Nakhimov's birthday on a grand scale. This anniversary year is no exception.

The events opened with a service at the Vladimir Cathedral, the tomb of the admirals, where Nakhimov is buried. The service was held by the priests of the Sevastopol deanery, attended by representatives of the city authorities, the Black Sea Fleet Command, and young Nakhimovites. Here, flowers were laid at the Admiral's burial place.

Pavel Nakhimov was born on July 5, 1802 in the Smolensk province, died in Sevastopol in 1855. Like all four of his brothers, he chose the path of a sailor. Graduated from the Naval Cadet Corps. Midshipman, from a young age went to sea. Nakhimov served in the Black Sea Fleet for about 20 years. He led the defeat of the Turkish flotilla in the Battle of Sinop in 1853. In 1855 he was appointed commander of the Sevastopol port and temporary military governor of the city. In July of the same year, he died - was mortally wounded during a detour of the fortifications.

Posted by: badanov || 07/06/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thank you, Badanov. The photos are great. It would appear they have done some positive reclamation after they got rid of their commies. With any Luck and God willing perhaps we can do the same after we rid ourselves of ours.
Posted by: Cesare || 07/06/2022 13:45 Comments || Top||


How the mayor of Mariupol led the inhabitants of the city to the slaughter
Direct Translation via Gooogle Translate. Edited.

Commentary by Russian military journalist Boris Rozhin:

[ColonelCassad] Today there was a small, but in our opinion an important event. For the first time, a representative of the authorities in Ukraine, People's Deputy Serhiy Taruta, confirmed:

the evacuation from Mariupol, which was NOT announced by the authorities;

Lack of notification of Mariupol residents about the need for evacuation;
That there was an opportunity to leave the city;

That the lack of evacuation of people is always on the conscience of local authorities;

That the leadership of the city left, but the people did not know about it, and were sure that everything was under control;

That Boychenko's betrayal greatly influenced people's attitude to power.

On our own behalf, we add that Boychenko not only organized NOTHING and fled the city. He also inspired the townspeople through social networks that the city would stand.

We wrote about it here (https://t.me/ZeRada1/8135), here (https://t.me/ZeRada1/8386 ) and here ( https://t.me/ZeRada1/9114). Finally, there were people's deputies ready to support this topic.

Today's recognition of Boychenko's criminal actions should be the first step towards bringing him to justice. Every mer who abandoned his city and his voters for the sake of "work" in social networks should know that he will have to answer for this!

https://t.me/ZeRada1/9374 - zinc

says Rozhin:
Boychenko solved the problem of providing a human shield for the group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which planned to defend Mariupol. It is quite obvious that without a human shield, the assault on Mariupol would have gone faster, since the army of the DPR and the RF Armed Forces would have to spend less effort on rescuing civilians who were taken hostage by Ukrainian terrorists. This is a conscious and coordinated step, which was implemented not only in Severodonetsk.

Since Boychenko himself did not plan to become a human shield and knew perfectly well what fate was in store for Mariupol, he almost immediately fled the city to Zaporozhye and from there he deceived the inhabitants, urging them to stay in the city, where street fighting was soon to begin.

Of course, no one in Ukraine will bring Boychenko to justice, because such actions are not his private initiative, but are a continuation of the strategy of state terrorism.

Posted by: badanov || 07/06/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:


Permanent mobilization in Ukraine
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.

Commentary by Russian military journalist Boris Rozhin:

[ColonelCassad] Permanent mobilization

In recent days, the topic of permanent mobilization has intensified in Ukraine, which is associated with the already quite obvious spillover of hostilities to 2023 and the need to compensate for the growing losses in manpower.

Hence the statements that the majority of Ukrainians "will go through the front" (including women), as well as the binding of citizens to the military registration and enlistment offices and the announcement of mobilization through the Diya application follow.

All this is, of course, the implementation of the US and NATO strategy of "war to the last Ukrainians", where Zelensky's gang must ensure the corral of cannon fodder to the front, no longer paying attention to readiness for service and even gender. The front needs meat and it needs to be provided. Obviously, this activates various schemes for evading service and fleeing abroad, which has been observed since the beginning of the NWO. Catching gaping citizens on the street solves the problem only partially, and in conditions where a battalion of reservists can come to a non-combat-ready state after 1-2 weeks of fighting, a lot of such battalions are required.

Ironically, this is happening in a country where for another three years the majority voted for Zelensky and the slogan of stopping the war. But Zelensky's gang of the expected tore up the Minsk agreements and headed for war, where they are now driving their voters who wanted peace. Such is the bloody retribution for the choice "if only not Poroshenko."

Now, instead of the desired peace, we have to go to rot in the trenches near Izyum or Kharkov. And there is no end in sight, because for the owners of the Zelensky gang, the population of Ukraine is a waste resource in the global struggle for dominance.

Posted by: badanov || 07/06/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  TFI Global Ukraine
Posted by: Dale || 07/06/2022 3:57 Comments || Top||

#2  As a boy in Latvia between the wars, my father underwent the mandatory military training all boys there were given as part of their schooling, whether the school was public or private. It was understood that Russia — then the early years of the Soviet Union — would likely at some point want to retake lost territories, and the brand new nation needed to be prepared.

This is just the reality of living on Russia’s border.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/06/2022 9:27 Comments || Top||


Government Corruption
The Game Plan for Stealing Elections?
[AND Magazine] After reading Sasha Issenberg’s 2013 book called The Victory Lab: The Secret Science of Winning Campaigns, the methods, and techniques, used to manipulate the U.S. electorate and control the outcome of our elections, have become much clearer. The prologue of the book says it all: How to Win an Election Without Anyone Knowing.

The Victory Lab follows the academics and maverick operatives rocking the war room and re-engineering a high-stakes industry previously run on little more than gut instinct and outdated assumptions. Armed with research from behavioral psychology and randomized experiments that treat voters as unwitting guinea pigs, the smartest campaigns now believe they know who you will vote for even before you do. Issenberg tracks these techniques—which include cutting-edge persuasion experiments, innovative ways to mobilize voters, and heavily researched electioneering methods.

For the 2008 election, the game-changer, as Issenberg explains, occurred when Obama’s operatives began buying and integrating data from Catalist to feed Ken Strasma's algorithms to generate predictive scores on eligible voters across the country. The scores are used to isolate liberal progressives to be micro-targeted to register to vote and cast their ballots. Strasma states "We’re able to update scores in near real-time; ... it will take about a third of a second for us to get a new piece of information in, for it to ripple through the system, update, and predict its scores."

As a Catalist client, and due to Calatist’s non-profit status, the Obama campaign was able to "create seamless links across the activist left, including outside groups with whom candidates were legally prohibited from coordinating directly." Catalist and Democrats bragged to Issenberg about the immediate and practical benefit of this link.

When [outside group] Democracia USA collected a new voter's registration form in Florida, Obama's targeting team often knew about it before the local board of elections. Democracia would create a record in its databases, which synced daily with Catalist servers. When the Obama campaign conducted its daily download from the Catalist database, per its contract with the information vendor, the new record would show up in VAN. The campaign could start treating the person as a voter-assigning model scores, canvassing her, communicating by mail and phone, or getting her an absentee ballot-even before the registration had been officially processed.... Republicans wouldn't have an idea the new voter existed until she went on the books.

The strength and power of Catalist are based on the huge number of groups feeding it data. Leftist players sacrifice their egos for the larger messianic call of ’destroying Republicans’, obliterating conservatives, and ultimately gutting the Constitution. Non-profit interest groups on the left gladly feed their internal data into Catalist because it helps progressives win — period. They don’t care about profit, glory, connections, or a new car.

Fast forward to 2012. Obama's "re-election team built a vast digital data operation that for the first time combined a unified database on millions of Americans with the power of Facebook to target individual voters to a degree never achieved before. Digital analysts predicted that 2012 would be the first election cycle in which Facebook could become a dominant political force. The social media giant has grown exponentially since the 2008 presidential election, rendering it for the first time a major campaigning tool that has the potential to transform friendship into a political weapon.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/06/2022 14:54 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under:

#1  How long has "vote early, vote often" been going on? Nothing was done about it then, and nothing will be done about it.
Posted by: DooDahMan || 07/06/2022 16:23 Comments || Top||

#2  And yet 2016 happened. What changed?
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/06/2022 18:06 Comments || Top||

#3  So, Obama didn’t win 2012? He cheated like Biden?
Posted by: Xyz || 07/06/2022 18:31 Comments || Top||

#4  I still cannot believe he won in 2008.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/06/2022 18:39 Comments || Top||

#5  It was a similar story. Romney looked like he had it won - huge crowds, the excitement was electric.

The the late returns kept rolling in. Precincts with 100% Obama. And again, just enough to win, then the votes trickled to a stop.
Posted by: KBK || 07/06/2022 18:57 Comments || Top||

#6  What happened in 2016 was the margin was far too large. in 2020 they stopped counting and sent everyone home until they could literally stuff the ballot box.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/06/2022 19:51 Comments || Top||

#7  #2 They thought they had it in the bag and didn't cheat as much as usual. Their arrogance brought them down. Thus the four years of tantrums and willingness to cheat so hard that it becomes obvious with every passing month.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 07/06/2022 19:57 Comments || Top||

#8  @#5 - Hmmm, now, I'm not so sure if Mittens would have been much better.
Posted by: DooDahMan || 07/06/2022 22:01 Comments || Top||

#9  Obama won easily in 2012 because he had a superior ground game. His field operatives outnumbered Romney's by four to one. This ground game began very early – two years in a Vance – and focused on increasing turnout among African-Americans.

This sharply increased turnout, in heavily Africa-America can never fhborhoods in major urban battleground-state centers such as East Cleveland, put Obama over the top. It wasn't closexandcwas never going to be close -- because African-Alert cabs rallied in support of their guy.
Posted by: Lionel Hatfield8646 || 07/06/2022 23:18 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
Spread over a vast, remote landscape in north-western Saudi Arabia are millennia-old archaeological remains that could change our understanding of prehistory
[BBC] A mysterious cult that predates Stonehenge

I'd come here because recent discoveries in AlUla, a region in north-western Saudi Arabia, are shining a light on a fascinating period of history in Saudi Arabia. Since the nation only opened for international research a few years ago (and to tourists in 2019), many of its ancient sites are being studied for the first time. While historians are familiar with the ruins of the 2,000-year-old cities Hegra and Dadan and their place on the Incense Route (Hegra's tombs and monuments are a Unesco World Heritage Site), they didn't have much knowledge about the civilisation that came before, until now.

What has been discovered is that spread over AlUla's vast, remote landscape are millennia-old archaeological remains that could change our understanding of prehistory. Work by McMahon and her colleagues is shedding light on some of the earliest stone monuments in world history – predating Stonehenge and the earliest pyramid in Giza.

When McMahon arrived, she explained that the circle of rocks next to me was the remains of a house occupied in the Neolithic period (from 6000 to 4500 BCE), and that this area was once scattered with thriving settlements. Until recently, the prevailing wisdom was that this region had little human activity until the Bronze Age after 4000 BCE. But McMahon and her colleagues' work has unearthed a very different story: that Neolithic Saudi Arabia was a dynamic, intensely populated, complex landscape spread over a vast area.

Around me were more than 30 dwellings and tombs, and that was just a tiny fraction of the remains here. I tried to imagine the landscape as it may have been thousands of years ago: green, lush and teeming with people as they moved noisily round, herding goats and calling out to each other.
Posted by: Skidmark || 07/06/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [14 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And with the Saudi restrictive visa rules, none of those icky tourists (or non-approved archeologists...you know, those who might report findings that dispute the Kingdom's narrative) will damage the sites.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 07/06/2022 8:42 Comments || Top||

#2  If they're a millenia old, they're not prehistoric.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 07/06/2022 9:22 Comments || Top||

#3  "intensely populated"? With what food sources?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/06/2022 9:41 Comments || Top||

#4  occupied in the Neolithic period (from 6000 to 4500 BCE),

Up to 8 millennia old, Rob.

the landscape as it may have been thousands of years ago: green, lush and teeming with people

In the time of Abraham, during the Bronze Age, the Middle East was covered with grassland from Iraq to Israel. So it’s possible that Arabia was similarly green earlier.

Posted by: trailing wife || 07/06/2022 10:10 Comments || Top||

#5 
Mehh. Al-Hazred found it first. One of his fav plug sites probably.

Posted by: Dron66046 || 07/06/2022 10:37 Comments || Top||



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