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Britain
Guy Fawkes' Day fireworks cancelled in his hometown
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
Guy Fawkes might be amused. But not the citizens of his home city. Their annual celebration of the failure of his gunpowder plot has been cancelled by the health and safety police.

For years, huge crowds gathered for official fireworks displays at sites including York Racecourse and the 13th-century Clifford's Tower. Last year, however, the city council decided to cancel the event, blaming soaring safety costs. Although his figure lights up bonfires across the country every November, there will be no Guy Fawkes's night celebrations in the conspirator's home city.

This year, hopes of a large November 5 celebration have again been dashed after an event planned for York City football-ground was refused a safety licence.

Gillian Cruddas, the chief executive of York Tourism Bureau, said the lack of an official event in the city of Guy Fawkes's birth was a common source of bemusement to visitors. "It's such a shame because there's continued interest in York at this time of year, partly because of the Guy Fawkes connection," she added.

Although York celebrated the night last year health and safety costs soared.
A spokesman for York City Council said: "Unfortunately the cost of holding a large-scale display is extremely high. The cost of the fireworks is always the smaller element for large, traditional style displays, with a considerable amount of money needed to address the health and safety measures."
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/23/2007 00:45 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Gunpowder, treason, and plot!
Posted by: Mike || 10/23/2007 6:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Have many people actually been hurt during these celebrations in the past?
Posted by: Gladys || 10/23/2007 7:19 Comments || Top||

#3  Have many people actually been hurt during these celebrations in the past?

What's that got to do with doing the politically correct thing?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/23/2007 8:52 Comments || Top||

#4  Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

"...And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be?..."
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/23/2007 9:54 Comments || Top||

#5  No one goes to York for Guy Hawkes day. They go for the Railroad musuem. The best in the world.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 10/23/2007 10:08 Comments || Top||

#6  We have our firewood ready for the blessed event up here. Already 4 inches of snow on the ground.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2007 10:32 Comments || Top||

#7  Bye bye Britain, hello EUSSR.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/23/2007 11:07 Comments || Top||

#8  BTW, our little Jihad Gingerbread Man is all decked out to celebrate Guy Fawkes'Day, to wit:

P2030062
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2007 15:44 Comments || Top||


Europe
Polish liberals win vote, pledge tax cuts, stronger European ties
WARSAW - Flush from a landslide win over the right-wing Kaczynski twins in a snap election, PolandÂ’s liberals vowed Monday to recalibrate US and European ties and lure expatriates back home. With nearly all ballots counted, pro-business opposition leader Donald TuskÂ’s Civic Platform (PO) won a projected 209 seats in parliament, routing the conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski and his identical twin brother, President Lech Kaczynski, with 166 seats.

Civic PlatformÂ’s decisive victory drew cheers in Brussels but some concern in Washington as Tusk pledged to mend frayed ties with European Union and NATO partners and rethink WarsawÂ’s military engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In an interview after Sunday’s parliamentary election, Tusk told a Russian newspaper that the Kaczynskis’ single-minded defence of national interests had done more harm than good. ‘One gets the impression in Poland today that the Jaroslaw Kaczynski government was not very successful in dealing with the task of securing good relations with Russia and Germany,’ Tusk told Monday’s Rossiyskaya Gazeta. ‘Given that both sides are dominated by emotions, I believe that the signals of the will to improve relations which Civic Platform is sending to our neighbours will be understood correctly.’
I'm guessing that the only way for the Poles to secure 'good relations' with the Russians is to roll over. Kaczynski and Kaczynski didn't want to do that and paid the price.
Tusk has also promised to cut taxes to stoke the already red-hot Polish economy and entice the more than one million Poles who have moved to Britain and Ireland seeking jobs to return home.

Expatriates as well as young, urban, centrist voters in Poland turned out in droves to end the Kaczynski duo’s two-year grip on power. Participation reached almost 54 percent—the highest level since the communists’ fall in 1989. ‘The heavy turnout in the cities killed us,’ a strategist Jacek Kurski for the Kaczynskis’ party told news channel TVN24.

European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso hailed ‘the European spirit of the Polish people,’ following the liberals’ victory, underscoring ‘the importance of Poland’s contribution to the European Union.’
"Happy days are here again, the shades are drawn and it's dark within ..."
German government spokesman Thomas Steg voiced hope that the offer ‘for dialogue and for readjustment’ in relations would be seized.
Sounds like the gas pipeline from Russia to Germany is on again ...
Civic Platorm said the new government would adopt the EU charter of fundamental rights, which the conservatives had bitterly opposed, notably for its liberal stand on homosexuality.
And abortion and a few other things.
Tusk has said he is also committed to strong transatlantic ties but vowed during the campaign to bring home soon 900 Polish troops serving in Iraq.

The liberals also want to reconsider the role of PolandÂ’s 1,200 troops in a NATO-led security force in Afghanistan.
They can redeploy to Kosovo ...
US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said he hoped Poland would stay the course in both missions, as officials in Moscow said they were optimistic Warsaw would now reverse its veto on a sweeping EU-Russian partnership deal.

The Kaczynskis had also clashed with NATO allies as well as Russia over their strong support for US plans to base part of a missile shield system in Poland, an emerging powerhouse of some 38 million people. Gates told reporters on a visit to Kiev that he hoped talks on the shield ‘will continue as before.’
Kiss it goodbye ...
Civic Platform fell short of its goal of a ruling majority and was expected to form a coalition with the moderate Polish PeasantsÂ’ Party, which won 31 seats.

SundayÂ’s election was called two years early because of the collapse of the conservativesÂ’ three-party coalition in August. Its erstwhile far-right and populist allies were swept from parliament. While Lech Kaczynski still has three years to go in his presidential term, the poll abruptly ended the brothersÂ’ unusual concentration of power.

Former president Lech Walesa, the Gdansk shipyard electrician who led the communist-era opposition trade union Solidarity, blasted two ‘scandalous’ years of governance under the twins. ‘We have rescued our honour,’ Walesa told TVN24. ‘Now we will polish our image.’
Posted by: Steve White || 10/23/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Looks like Poland has been conquered again. What a bitch - living between the EU Germany and Russia. They're grabbing their ankles and saying "Please sir, may I have another?"
Posted by: Spot || 10/23/2007 8:24 Comments || Top||

#2  [Aris Katsaris has been pooplisted.]
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 10/23/2007 9:58 Comments || Top||

#3  Poland would go bankrupt if it had to live up to Kyoto. One of the most polluted places on the face of the earth.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 10/23/2007 10:11 Comments || Top||


Latvian government faces no-confidence vote
RIGA - LatviaÂ’s opposition parties have called a vote of no-confidence in the centre-right government, officials said on Monday, though they were unlikely to be able to unseat Prime Minister Aigars Kalvitis. However, the move for a vote on Tuesday kept up pressure on Kalvitis, who last week faced thousands of protestors demanding his resignation over his dismissal of LatviaÂ’s anti-corruption boss. Kalvitis has said he has no intention of resigning.

‘We think our chances tomorrow (to win the vote) will be slim,’ said Krisjanis Karins, chairman of opposition party New Era. But he said the no-confidence vote might expose weaknesses in the coalition as two ministers who disagreed with the anti-corruption chief’s dismissal left the government last week.

KalvitisÂ’ government has 58 seats in the 100-member parliament. The four-party coalition has shown discipline and unity in recent key votes.

Critics have said Kalvitis sacked anti-corruption bureau chief Aleksejs Loskutovs as he was getting too close in his investigations to key business and political allies of the premier. Kalvitis has said the KNAB anti-corruption force of Loskutovs was guilty of financial irregularities. Kalvitis also faces a test on Wednesday when parliament votes on the 2008 budget in its first reading.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/23/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Nationalists obtain record high in Swiss parliament
The nationalist Swiss People's Party received the highest vote ever recorded for an individual political party in Switzerland, after a bitter campaign blaming foreigners for much of the country's crime, according to official results released Monday.

But in the complex world of Swiss politics, where Germanic voters have to get along with fellow citizens of a Latin temperament, Sunday's national parliamentary election still leaves the country ruled by the same four-party government, covering a wide spectrum of political views.

The Federal Statistics Office said the People's Party received 29 percent of the vote. That topped the 1919 performance of 28 percent achieved by the pro-business Radical Democrats when Swiss elections were reorganized immediately after World War I. The Social Democrats, the second-largest party, were the big losers, dropping to 19.5 percent from 23.3 percent.

The People's Party added seven seats to bring to 62 its total in the 200-seat National Council, the lower house of parliament, also edging out the Radical Democrats' 1919 record of 60, according to the statistics office. The Green Party added six to its 2003 performance, bringing its total to the party's best showing of 20 seats, reflecting concerns for the environment on the left.

Although many saw the campaign as tainted by racism or xenophobia, the Swiss elected their first black parliament member Sunday - Ricardo Lumengo of the Social Democrats, an Angolan who arrived in Switzerland as an asylum seeker the 1980s and subsequently became a legal expert.

People's Party president Ueli Maurer and other party leaders pledged to continue working among the four major parties in the long-standing Swiss system that covers the wide range from Social Democrats on the left to People's Party on the right. All four parties share in the governing Cabinet, without a prime minister and with the president only a figurehead. "I'm very happy," said Maurer. "We have reached the highest score ever since this electoral system began."
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "campaign blaming foreigners for much of the country's crime"

A political campaign built on truth? Unprecedented!
Posted by: Glenmore || 10/23/2007 7:17 Comments || Top||

#2  And they wonder why amnesty failed. Maybe because as Tip O'Neil once said, all politics is local. You paint the big image, but its what happens in your neighborhood that tells the story that the people believe. No amount of 'reporting', editorializing, pontificating at the national level can erase what the people see, hear, and say at the local level.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/23/2007 8:20 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Al-Guardian: Hillary! Would Give Up Power As POTUS
uh huh...that's why she's so relentless and mercilessly pursuing the office. To give up power. Yep
Hillary Clinton would launch a policy review as president with an eye towards giving up some of the executive powers accumulated by George Bush, she tells Guardian America in an interview today.
"here, would you like a gumdrop?" *pats head*
The New York senator and frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination also accuses the Bush administration's broad brush approach to terrorism of making it harder to understand "what it is we were up against", and expresses concerns about the attitude of the president's nominee for attorney general to interrogation and "expansive" executive power.
*barf*
On the accumulation of White House power under the current administration, Ms Clinton said the president and Dick Cheney both had taken actions "beyond any power the Congress would have granted" and - even when congressional authorisation was possible - chosen not to pursue it "as a matter of principle".
"The power grab undertaken by the Bush-Cheney administration has gone much further than any other president and has been sustained for longer," she said. "Other presidents, like Lincoln, have had to take on extraordinary powers but would later go to Congress for either ratification or rejection."
"I would not do that"
Ms Clinton said the accumulation of executive power had put America into "new territory" because Mr Bush and the vice president had taken the view that were what previously extraordinary powers were now inherent powers that belonged to the White House.
"like selling pardons, which were exercised only by the previous administration, but only for the national good, as exemplified by my Senatorial Campaign"
"I think I'm going to have to review everything they've done, because I've been on the receiving end of that," she said. Ms Clinton stated it was "absolutely" conceivable that, as president, she would give up executive powers in the name of constitutional principle.

"That has to be part of the review I undertake when I get to the White House, and I intend to do that," she said.
"I also intend a discrete inventory of assets in the WH, and a review of Federal Prisoners Of Conscience And Substantial Wealth™"
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2007 17:36 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sure she will. And monkeys shooting bottle rockets and handing out thousand dollar bills are gonna fly outta my ass...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2007 18:24 Comments || Top||

#2  John Kerry would have given up US soveriegnty to the UN. Hitlery will not give up anything. Power is everything to her.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/23/2007 18:35 Comments || Top||

#3  HAMAS and the PFLP have POLITBUROS, so why not AMerika the world-conquering USSA = weak anti-sovereign USR/Global SSR? Warmonger imperialist Fascist = well-meaning but errorful Limited Commie Dubya can be stopped only by Executive Committee [errrrr, PRESIDIUM?].
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/23/2007 18:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Sure she will. And monkeys shooting bottle rockets and handing out thousand dollar bills are gonna fly outta my ass...

Damn your snarky eyes, tu3031. You stole my post nearly verbatim. Congrats!
Posted by: Zenster || 10/23/2007 20:16 Comments || Top||

#5  That's what Lenin said.
Posted by: Jerens Lumumba6729 || 10/23/2007 21:24 Comments || Top||

#6  Well, this goes to show what Bill Clinton once said, "Hillary doesn't always demand being the one on top."
Posted by: Pheagar the Imposter4243 || 10/23/2007 22:48 Comments || Top||


ThompsonÂ’s Plan to Fight Illegal Immigration
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 10/23/2007 13:31 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Works for me.
Posted by: Darrell || 10/23/2007 14:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Doesn't address the heart of the matter - the corrupt Mexican bureaucracy and Spanish blood ruling class. Still no incentive for them to stop dumping their unskilled, unemployed, unwanted meztisos and indios. It'll still be grip and grin at State when doing 'business as usual'.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/23/2007 15:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Without illegal employment opportunities available, fewer illegal aliens will attempt to enter the country, and many of those illegally in the country now likely will return home

Word.
Posted by: gromgoru || 10/23/2007 15:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Teh Word from Teh Fred. I can go with those proposals.
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2007 15:56 Comments || Top||

#5  It is a start.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/23/2007 16:10 Comments || Top||

#6  May be too late though. Durbin's DREAM ACT is going under Clocture tommorow morning. AGAIN. Time to pick up the phone and call.
Posted by: Charles || 10/23/2007 16:16 Comments || Top||

#7  It's a good start. Still, as P2k notes, America needs to stop playing the role of this world's population dumping ground. Tyrannies and dictatorships that do not meet the needs of their people and instead export domestic troublemakers abroad should experience regime change. Mexico is one of those countries.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/23/2007 16:20 Comments || Top||

#8  This is an instance where fighting the symptoms will help cure the cause. Without the US as a wide open pressure relief valve, the Mexican government and economy will be faced to meet reality,or else implode.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/23/2007 18:13 Comments || Top||

#9  Still weak - no mention of a fence or a wall.
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 10/23/2007 18:42 Comments || Top||

#10  "the Mexican government and economy will be faced to meet reality,or else implode"

I'll take what's behind Door #2, OS. ;-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/23/2007 18:42 Comments || Top||

#11  BH6, He has commented before about the need for a rel fence - the quote is "Enforcement begins at the border." He's been a strong advocate for the fence, and a critic of COngress dragging their feet about bulding what they ahve already put into law and budgeted money for.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/23/2007 23:11 Comments || Top||


Thompson to Announce Immigration Policy
Governor Spitzer, there is a call on the courtesy phone for you; he says his name is Fred Thomson. He would like to speak to you about this drivers license plan for illegal immigrants.

NAPLES, Fla. (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson on Tuesday plans to announce an immigration policy that will include stripping federal grant money from cities and states that don't report illegal immigrants.

Thompson chose Collier County, which has a large farmworker population, for his announcement and plans to meet with the county's sheriff, Don Hunter, before announcing details of his border security and immigration enforcement proposal.

A major part of the plan will be to reduce the number of illegal immigrants by increasing enforcement of existing law. Sanctuary cities, where city employees are not required to report illegal immigrants to federal authorities, would lose discretionary federal grants, said a campaign source who didn't want to be named because the plan hasn't been announced.

Thompson, a former Tennessee senator, will also call for stronger laws to force employers to verify that workers aren't illegal immigrants, a more rigorous system to track who is coming in and out of the country and a plan to increase prosecution of "coyotes," smugglers who bring illegal immigrants across the Mexican border, the source said. He will also talk about border security.

At a campaign stop in Georgia last week, Thompson accused rivals Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani of being soft on illegal immigration when Romney was Massachusetts' governor and Giuliani was New York's mayor.

Romney and Giuliani have also called for tougher immigration enforcement and opposed an immigration bill that failed earlier this year which would have provided a path to citizenship for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the country. Arizona Sen. John McCain supported the legislation.

Collier County has vast tomato farms that hire thousands of immigrants. Last year it was part of a two-county sweep with 163 illegal immigrants arrested in one weekend. The campaign plans to cite figures that 22 percent of the county's crime is committed by illegal immigrants and that 40 percent of county's arrest warrants are for illegal immigrants.
Posted by: Delphi || 10/23/2007 12:28 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Zogby Poll: Half Say They Would Never Vote for Hillary Clinton for President
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/23/2007 10:25 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That photo looks like it could have come from an Ed Wood film. Nice find!
Posted by: eLarson || 10/23/2007 11:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Big question is: half of people lie about what they do in private in the voting booth. Does that mean half that half will pull for hilldebeast? Or that she'll get trounced even worse?
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/23/2007 11:41 Comments || Top||

#3  M. Murcek: My guess is that Hillary will manage about 40% of the vote if the election happened today between her and Guiliani. She has just to much baggage for many people to pull the damn lever for her. She has a stigma on her as being the Hildabeast geez like Kerry had the Stigma of being a liar and military disgrace.

Also a huge part in this is the spouses. I firmly believe some people didn't vote/stayed home for Kerry because they didn't want his WIFE anywhere near the White House. Even more may do the same to keep Billy Boy away from the White House again.
Posted by: Charles || 10/23/2007 12:05 Comments || Top||

#4  Speaking of Hillary photos. Here is a collection that might be of use to the mods. Well done, Zombie.
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2007 12:34 Comments || Top||

#5  If you are right, Charles, I'll be at least half smiling on election night 2008...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/23/2007 12:34 Comments || Top||

#6  BTW, I think that's highly optimistic. In 2004 Kerry got 48.3% of the vote and he built his political career on treason.
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2007 12:42 Comments || Top||

#7  Hillary should get about 38% when the black men vote their conscience in the privacy of the booth. Even hate of America has it's limits.
Posted by: wxjames || 10/23/2007 12:51 Comments || Top||

#8  I've never specifically voted for someone just to make sure the other person would lose. I always picked my political hack by their stance on my important issues.

I will say this time, I will vote for anybody running against Hillary.

I know others who feel the same.
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 10/23/2007 13:39 Comments || Top||

#9  Half of all eligable Americans don't vote so Zogby's poll doesn't really say much.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/23/2007 14:04 Comments || Top||

#10  #8 Brer - When I was living in North Carolina 30+ years ago, I did vote for someone to make sure the other would lose - in the Democratic presidential primary. (Had to register as a Dem to do it, but after the election I re-registered as an Independant and never looked back.)

The person I was helping to lose was "segregation now and forever" George Wallace.

Unfortunately, the person I was helping to win was Peanut. Still not sure I made the right choice. :-(
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/23/2007 14:21 Comments || Top||

#11  I few years ago I had a bumper sticker that said "Vote For the Crook - It's Important". And I did vote for the crook, and he won. The crook was Edwin Edwards. His opponent was David Duke. That was the RUNOFF!
Posted by: Glenmore || 10/23/2007 14:37 Comments || Top||

#12  I'll crawl nekkid across broken glass to vote against this lying socialist bitch
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2007 15:33 Comments || Top||

#13  Mother MacCree, ed. Those pics of the Hildabeast are SEARED, SEARED in my memory, like a red-hot branding iron of duh mahnd!

Heck fire, the Imus pic on the blog ads looks positively pleasant compared to your link!

I yam goin' to the Men's Shelter right now for some quiet time.

Thanks, ed.......
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2007 15:38 Comments || Top||

#14  #12 - Frank, I'll be right there beside you if necessary. I'm not particularly wild about any of the Republican candidates right now, but any of them would be better than Shillary.
Posted by: Rambler || 10/23/2007 16:07 Comments || Top||

#15  that 40% is what makes me feel all the more hinky about our nation's "evangelical leaders" proposing a 3rd party candidate.

If there is one thing that will all but assure another Clinton--and this one a definite dyed-in-the-wool Marxist--administration, it is a 3rd party candidate.

As an evangelical myself, I can state categorically I will NOT vote for a 3rd Party in this race. Sorry to Land and Dobson, but I will take a 5/8 Republican to be a 5/8 Friend, not a 3/8 Enemy... and I will take him over a Marxist any day of the week, and twice on Tuesday.

Well... okay. Not twice in Maryland. But back when I was in Chicago...
Posted by: eLarson || 10/23/2007 17:39 Comments || Top||

#16  Correct, eLarson, after all, that's how Bill got elected.

Twice.

No 3rd party candidate from the Right. However, if we can get the Greenies to put up someone who will gather the moonbat vote, I'm all for it ...
Posted by: Steve White || 10/23/2007 18:45 Comments || Top||

#17  13 months to go before November elex - 15 come January 2009 when Dubya leaves. *Dubya & Admin promise to stop Iran from having a nuke weapon/bomb = US-Iran conflict before elex or Jan 2009, btwn now thru June early summer 2008 as long as no chance of Iraq-style insurgency.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/23/2007 19:02 Comments || Top||

#18  Doc, there was rumor for a while that our (Atlanta area) former "fine" Rep. (Cynthia McKinney-D-Moonbatsville) was gonna take a run against Nader for the Green primaries. That could get interesting!
Posted by: BA || 10/23/2007 22:18 Comments || Top||

#19  BA - AFAIK - she's enrolled at the local kennel UC Berkeley and is trying to get on the Green ballot. GA can have her back...please
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2007 22:44 Comments || Top||


Anti-Hillary Clinton Seattle Protest Action
Well, it looks like KING 5 decided to not even footnote the scores of protesters giving Hillary a "warm welcome" in Seattle today. KOMO 4 and KIRO 7 weren't cowed -- both featured pans of the diverse anti-Hillary crowd that flocked to the Democrats fundraiser at Benaroya Hall.

The best protester quote goes to a young guy wearing a GOP hat: "The only thing scarier than Halloween this year is Hillary Clinton." Some of the more successful sloganeering of the day included "Hillary Scares Me," and "Hillary: Wrong Man for the Job." A group of Democratic activists tried to astro-turf support for Mrs. Clinton, but was largely unsuccessful, and shouted down by all sides of the anti-Hillary protest mass.

Embedded video and links at the article.
Posted by: Mike || 10/23/2007 09:19 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If they hate her here, they can hate her anywhere - apologies to whoever wrote that song...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/23/2007 11:43 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Carbon Dioxide Levels Rising Faster Than Predicted (and Kyoto is the cause)
You can go read the article if you like, but I can summarize the issue far more honestly than even Bloomberg. I read the Guardian version and its far worse.

Since 2000, when Kyoto kicked in, the rate of increase in CO2 emissions has been 200%. More importantly, Kyoto has managed to break the long-standing trend of an annual decrease in energy and hence CO2 emissions per unit in GDP. Historically, energy input per unit of GDP has decreased by 0.6% per annum. This trend has been remarkably stable for a long time. Astonishly, Kyoto has managed to break this fundamental economic trend and energy per unit of GDP is no longer declining and may even be increasing.

The Times article is a bit better in that it does confuse CO2 emissions with declines in CO2 sinks. But it still doesn't draw the obvious conclusion that Kyoto is driving the rise in CO2 levels by shifting energy intensive industries to much less energy efficient locations like China and India.
Posted by: phil_b || 10/23/2007 08:04 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A truly frustrating aspect of all of this is that if industrial CO2 is a problem, then there is an easy, profitable way of addressing it. Pump the industrial CO2 and nitrous oxides through algae tanks.

First of all, if all it would do would be to trap the CO2 and nitrous oxides, that would be enough, because it would fix those gases into solids.

However, if you use the right kind of algae, it would also produce copious amounts of biodiesel and some amount of ethanol. In a form that is pretty easy to process into usable fuel.

So not only would you recycle your CO2, but you would make a *profit* from what amounts to waste, *and* maybe make useful, or even large quantities of fuel in the process.

What's not to like? As a bonus, it is so incredibly low-tech, that any country could do it.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/23/2007 9:38 Comments || Top||

#2  'Moose---the problem with this scheme is there is no cut for Al Gorelioni.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/23/2007 10:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Actual atmospheric numbers are at:

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

Also for Moose, the Rentech company which hopes to switch from natural gas to coal as their feedstock for production of ammonia at a plant near E. Dubuque, IL, is examining various was to use or sequester carbon dioxide. The company will have a concentrated stream of CO2 since the new system is to be fully closed. However there is a lot of it. If they were to use the algea system the tank would probably require more than a hundred acres.

see:
http://www.rentechinc.com/rentech-projects.htm
Posted by: mhw || 10/23/2007 11:44 Comments || Top||

#4  This is serious, people. If this rate of increase continues, our atmosphere will be composed entirely of CO2. Think about it: 100% of our air will be carbon dioxide - a deadly poison!

Gotta go. Mom's yelling. Something about extrapolating curves or something.
Posted by: SteveS || 10/23/2007 11:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Alaska Paul is close. Ther are no Government Subsidies for that kind of engineering. Only corn produced ethanol. Take away the subsidies for corn-based ethanol and this could be a viable option.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/23/2007 11:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Gorelioni. Heh.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/23/2007 12:04 Comments || Top||

#7  While I support using waste gasses to produce fuel, the problem is scale. People just don't realize how much energy we produce and how low yield renewables really are. A large 1200 MW powerplant uses 20,000 tons lignite coal/day. To soak up the equivalent CO2 requires 20,000 tons of biomass/day. Assuming one could produce (no one done it on a large scale) 100 tons of algae/acre/year. It would require 73,000 acres or a square of land 10.7 miles on a side. That's just to grow the algae under enhanced CO2 conditions for one power plant. It's a huge outlay of capital and labor.
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2007 12:08 Comments || Top||

#8  ed, correct for the old technology, but the new technology converts all feed stock into gas. It's out there waiting for the dollars to build it.
Posted by: wxjames || 10/23/2007 12:58 Comments || Top||

#9  wxjames, it doesn't matter how one uses the uses the biomass. I calculated only to equalize the carbon of the coal and resultant biomass. In reality, to get the most value from the algae, first you extract the oils, optionally produce ethanol from the carbohydrates, and then finally burn or sell for feed the leftovers.
Posted by: ed || 10/23/2007 13:05 Comments || Top||

#10  I think almost everybody realizes we need to get off of the oil tit. If only to remove the money source to the Middle East. And to do that we are going to have to make some decisions at a will piss off some segments of society. If we want to do large scale solar we will have to set aside large areas of desert for solar plants whether they are solar cell or mirror colectors. And if the environmentalists don't like it tough titties. Wind farms where parctical even if Otis* doesn't like the view. Nuclear plants to fill the gaps. Hydroelectric although all of the good sites are already in use. Plus we need to put more money into fusion research IMO. The test reactor to be built in France will provide useful data but it is only part of the way to a commercial reactor. put some research money into some of the more off beat ideas. Such as ElectroStatic Confinement reactors. If they work fine. If they don't well we piss away money on lots of other stuff why not piss away on something that might have a chance of paying back.

* Otis as in Otis from the Andy Griffith Show AKA Ted Kennedy
Posted by: Chedderhead || 10/23/2007 15:11 Comments || Top||

#11  ed: algae reproduction rates in closed sunlight systems are enormous when enhanced with CO2 and nitrous oxides. Anywhere below the Mason/Dixon line full scale production and harvest could be ongoing for 10 months of the year.

While there still might be a large amount of waste CO2, it would be a heck of a lot less. And remember that by producing biodiesel, instead of waste it becomes profit.

It is not unreasonable to imagine gigantic algae farms in rural America. If they can produce a big chunk of our diesel fuel needs, it is not only worth it, but will pay for itself.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/23/2007 16:56 Comments || Top||

#12  How much Co2 has been added to the air because of the Southern California fires vs Co2 from cars, etc? I think the numbers might be interesting.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/23/2007 17:10 Comments || Top||

#13  the California Air Resources Board has been notified. "All cars must be shut down for 2 years as a carbon-credit...and NO SMOKING, DAMMIT"
Posted by: Frank G || 10/23/2007 17:25 Comments || Top||

#14  TOPIX/REDDIT/LUCIANNE > GLOBAL OCEANS TURNING MORE ACIDIC/INTO PLASTIC. Time again to destroy the Sun in order to save humanity + Earth.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/23/2007 18:49 Comments || Top||

#15  NEWSCIENTIST > RETURN OF PANGEA? World Tectonic analysis/studies indics Perts to believe that Earth is going back to the future - Adam-and-Eve's Garden, Atlantis-Lemuria. See also FREEREPUBLIC and how HIMALAYA's was created as per INDIA collision. D ***NG IT, MADONNA FANS MUST ASK HOW DOES THIS STOP KAMALEN, OR A LARGE COMET/SPACE ROCK(S) FROM KNOCKING EARTH OFF ITS ORBIT, OR PLANET X, OR MERCURY, OR SUN, OR ................................@ EVENTS.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/23/2007 20:18 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Myanmar agrees to visit by UN's human rights investigator
The government of Myanmar has agreed to a visit by the UN's human rights investigator, who has been barred from entering the military-ruled country since 2003, the United Nations said Monday.

In a letter to Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Friday, Myanmar's Foreign Minister Nyan Win suggested that Paulo Sergio Pinheiro's visit take place before the November 17 summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, UN spokeswoman Michele Montas said.

Myanmar has been strongly criticized for sending troops to quash peaceful protests, initially led by students and then by Buddhist monks, in late September. The 10-nation southeast Asian bloc, which includes Myanmar, expressed "revulsion" at the violent repression of the demonstrations and urged the government to exercise restraint and seek a political solution. The UN Human Rights Council condemned the crackdown at an emergency session on October 2 and urged an immediate investigation of the rights situation in the country.
Posted by: Fred || 10/23/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Guess that four star rating on the hotel accommodations finally came in.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/23/2007 8:22 Comments || Top||

#2  The UN Human Rights Council condemned the crackdown at an emergency session on October 2 and urged an immediate investigation of the rights situation in the country.

Well, then! That'll fix it right up!
Posted by: Crusader || 10/23/2007 18:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Sure, c'mon over. They can probably use some comic relief to take the edge off....
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/23/2007 18:43 Comments || Top||



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