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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Cat has 6 lives left
GARDNERVILLE, Nev. -- A stalking foray atop a power pole left a lucky
This must be a new usage of the word "lucky" of which I'm not familiar.
feline jolted, frizzled and dazed but otherwise OK after he fell off the 40-foot pole and sparked a fire outside a fire house. The frazzled cat was discovered when paramedic-firefighters Andrew Chrzanowski and Jeremy Hall responded to the fire Wednesday morning after the lights went out at the Topaz Ranch Estates fire house. "When we got the fire knocked down we saw this burned cat close to the base of the pole," Hall said. They assumed it was dead until Chrzanowski noticed it was breathing. He put it on a blanket and gave it the kiss of life oxygen. "We both thought that with the amount of burns he had he wasn't going to make it, but then we started to look more closely and we saw it was all superficial," Hall said. "The fire just burned all his hair off."
For those of you who like hairless pussy.
The firefighters believe the cat was on the pole, because a bird's nest was found on top and there was a large black spot where something had touched a relay switch on the 25,000-volt line. The cat will be put up for adoption if it is not claimed by its owner, she said.
That would be a real shame if he surived all that and was then euthanized by the pound.
Posted by: Jackal || 08/19/2005 17:15 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lucky?
Char?
Crisp?
Blacky?
Circuit?

A name, it must have a name.
Posted by: Shomonter Threater9114 || 08/19/2005 19:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Wow! That's an amazing "tail" of survival.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 08/19/2005 20:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Goddam it, Jackel! You just make me spit Diet Coke all over my keyboard.

Give a guy a warning, wouldja? ;-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/19/2005 20:32 Comments || Top||

#4  a guy? Barbara ...are you holding back on us?
Posted by: Frank G || 08/19/2005 20:32 Comments || Top||

#5  Sorry, I have a soft spot for cats (like Steve has).

FWIW, my cat Elmo spent 28 days in the neighbor's garage w/o food or water, and she survived. She died about 8 months later, too weak (after all that) to survive a six foot drop from the maple tree out back.

Every time I see the end of that Star Trek movie (with McDowall, and when Riker trashes the Enterprise) and I see Data reunite with his cat Spot, damn, it kills me every time...
Posted by: Raj || 08/19/2005 22:01 Comments || Top||

#6  Wondering... how many lives people have? I survived 3 nasty motor vehicle vs my body accidents, throughout the years. Not that I want to repeat the experience... if possible, I'd rather avoid it.
Well, there were other accidents not involving motor vehicles... Darn, it is 8 altogether!
Posted by: Sobiesky || 08/19/2005 23:56 Comments || Top||


AF Senior NCO wins $36 Million Lotto
Posted by: Shomonter Threater9114 || 08/19/2005 19:16 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Someone was smiling down on the Sergeant...

Good for him!
Posted by: BigEd || 08/19/2005 19:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Amen :-)

see, Cindy Sheehan? Satan doesn't help his minions LOL
Posted by: Frank G || 08/19/2005 20:24 Comments || Top||

#3  The DemocRat party hits him up for big donation in 5, 4, 3...
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/19/2005 20:33 Comments || Top||

#4  Ths is the kind of story that legends are made. Since he s an E-7 I bet he has enough time in to retire.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 08/19/2005 21:51 Comments || Top||

#5  ...You know, I seem to remember - and I'm NOT sure if this is urban legend or not - that DOD policy is if you hit the big one, they hand your your honorable discharge ASAP.
After all, it's kind of hard to put up with routine military nonsense when you can afford a better life than all the officers on base put together.*S*

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 08/19/2005 22:55 Comments || Top||


rambunctious grizzlies in Kenai National Park
I'd rather have a bad day fishing than a good day at work...
Thought a little levity would be good today
Check out this photo

Photo: rambunctious grizzlies in Kenai National Park
Friends and Family: Only a river separated Tzu-Yen Wang and his family from these rambunctious grizzlies in Kenai National Park.

"While on a holiday with my family in July of 2003, we traveled through spectacular central and southern Alaska. This photo was taken on our drive from Homer to Anchorage in Kenai National Park. We heard some commotion and looked across the stunning Kenai River just to see this grizzly running at full speed down the slope toward some people fly fishing on the riverbank. The bear eventually gave up on its charge to sniff the people's bags and equipment. When I took the photo, I was on the other side of the river...thankfully."

—Tzu-Yen Wang, 20
Student
Melbourne, Australia

DIY: Homer has fantastic halibut fishing and stunning views. Most lodges and towns will take care of all your fishing needs, but keep an eye out for bears. Campsites in Homer are more expensive, but many include electricity, water, showers, and laundry facilities. For more information visit, akms.com/camping.html or www.campgrounds-alaska.com/campgrounds/homerspit.php
Posted by: Jan || 08/19/2005 12:40 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Here's the photo, sorry I'm not good at submitting pictures. I should get help from Big Ed.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0508/reader_photo_03.html
Posted by: Jan || 08/19/2005 13:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Any chance we can transport them to the 'Peace House' in Crawford?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 08/19/2005 14:01 Comments || Top||

#3  Or how about D.C on September 24? That's when Cindy and her pals over at Peace and Justice Coalition and A.N.S.W.E.R. are planning their huge march near the White House.
Posted by: The Angry Fliegerabwehrkanonen || 08/19/2005 16:55 Comments || Top||


Tiger Cub Saved From Cooking Pot Goes Missing
MELAKA, Aug 18 (Bernama) -- A tiger cub saved from the cooking pot last week and being nursed back to health at the Melaka Zoo has gone missing. The cub, named Nicky, was found missing from its cage at the zoo's clinic at 8 am yesterday, a zoo spokesman said Thursday.

"The management of the Melaka Zoo is investigating and has not ruled out negligence of the staff as a factor for the loss," he said in a statement. He said it is believed that the cub wandered off or was taken away between 5 pm and 6 pm on Tuesday. A large-scale search operation was conducted up to 10 pm, Wednesday...

The spokesman said the cub might be somewhere in the zoo or it could have been taken away by any visitor as it was tame. He also warned that anyone found to be keeping the cub could be fined up to RM6,000 or sentenced to a maximum jail term of six years, or both, under the Wildlife Protection Act...

The cub was saved by Malaysian Trade Commissioner to Papua New Guinea, Datuk Dr S.H. Foo, from a restaurant in Kuala Lumpur that had bought the animal from villagers who had caught it in Rompin, Pahang.
Posted by: Pappy || 08/19/2005 00:45 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I forsee a made for TV movie coming called:

"TIGER BALM:Taste This Punks"

"As a young cub, he gets cooked"
"But, by the power of Zeus, he escapes"
"He flies to Japan to train under the great ninja master, Master Wasabi Sushi"
"Then he travels to Germany for advanced military tactics and weapons training"
"Then he travels back to the land that tried to cook him and gets a job as the head chef"
"The restaurant employees never suspected him, for he was a humble employee"
"But his eyes had the word "revenge" engraved inside"
"He was there for only reason: REVENGE! REVENGE! REVENGE!"
"Then one day, when he gained everyone's trust, he started killing them one by one alternating between his ninja and advanced military killing styles."
"He would take them into the jungle, apply dry rub, roast them and EAT! EAT! EAT! them"
"This became a vengeful addition, he could not stop until everyone was DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!"
"Now he resides, with his wife and two kids, with an assumed name, in an undisclosed major famous city location in Nevada."
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 08/19/2005 9:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Tiger Balm: it's Grrrrrrrreaaat!

Posted by: Tony the Tiger || 08/19/2005 11:24 Comments || Top||

#3 
Buuuuuurrrrrrp! Mmmmmmmm! Tiger Cub, tastes like a cross between Spotted Owl and Sea Otter!

AR
Posted by: Analog Roam || 08/19/2005 14:09 Comments || Top||


Britain
Helios plane safe after diversion
A plane operated by the firm involved in a Greek air disaster had to be diverted from Luton to Stansted airport after the pilot feared a problem. The Helios Airways Boeing 737, with 177 passengers on board, made a safe landing at Stansted in Essex on Friday. Stansted Airport said: "The pilot thought he had a flaps problem but the aircraft landed all right."
Last Sunday, 121 passengers and crew aboard Flight 522 died when the Helios plane crashed outside Athens.



Posted by: Angereck Snoque5459 || 08/19/2005 10:09 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Odd, news reports yesterday said Helios grounded all planes, now they report one in flight.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/19/2005 14:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Maybe that was the problem...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/19/2005 15:08 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
Fox Extends Mexican Government into Aztlan
In an extraordinary political move, President Vicente Fox has announced the formation of a cabinet level agency to govern, protect and provide services to over 20 million Mexicans now living in Aztlan, a territory encompassing most of the southwest part of the USA. President Fox declared yesterday that he will personally lead the new agency he named "Consejo Nacional para las Comunidades Mexicanas en el Exterior" ( National Council for Mexican Communities Abroad). The "Council" will consist of the president, most of the cabinet secretaries and a, as of yet unnamed, representative from Aztlan. This is a bold move that essentially extends the arm of the Mexican government into the territories it previously lost during the Mexican-American War of 1848.
There is presently a search for the Aztlan Representative by Ramon Munoz, Chief of Personnel at Los Pinos (Mexican White House). Mr. Munoz stated that the ideal candidate would have to (English translation follows)(firstly, he or she must be 100% Mexican, secondly, that through preference he or she decided to voluntarily live abroad as a young person so that he or she has that experience and thirdly that he or she be recognized by the Mexican immigrant community abroad.)
The Aztlan Representative will also be appointed to head a new "Instituto de los Mexicanos en el Exterior" (Institute for Mexicans Abroad) based in Aztlan. The "Institute" will have an advisory board consisting of "leaders" within the Mexican immigrant community. This "Institute" will also function as a "think tank" that will address the unique problems facing the Mexican immigrant in the US. The "Institute" will fall within the organizational structure of the "Ministry of Foreign Relations" but will be autonomous of it by special decree of the President of the Republic.
The new cabinet level agency has the wholehearted support of the Mexican Congress. On July 28, 2002, the President of the Senate, Diego Fernandez de Cevallos, said to the national newspaper daily REFORMA, "I support all of the projects that my party is undertaking for the benefit of Mexicans abroad including the network of militants in the United States." He added that his party, the PAN, maintains close contact with Mexicans living all over the world and that the network of militants is not against the law.
The new cabinet level agency replaces the "Office for Mexicans Living Abroad" that was headed by Juan Hernandez of Dallas, Texas. Mr. Hernandez was born in Texas but he obtained dual citizenship in Mexico under a recent law passed by the Mexican Congress. Mr. Juan Hernandez was ousted by Zionist Foreign Minister Jorge Gutman after he stepped on the mercurial secretary's toes by not consulting with him on all matters. Mr. Hernandez will not be part of the new agency but will work in a new presidential job consisting of maintaining presidential historical records and creating an Internet website concerned with presidential news and information called "Cronica Presidencial".
Zionist Secretary of Foreign Relations Gutman has been warned by President Fox to not sabotage the "mission" of the new agency, however, it appears that he has already begun his dirty politics. California Lt. Governor Cruz Bustamante said that Secretary Gutman invited him to Tuesday's ceremony in Los Pinos establishing the new agency, which he attended. Cruz Bustamante is a known lackey of the Jewish dominated Democratic Party in Alta California and Gutman has very powerful connections to the Zionist establishment in the US. The only reason that President Fox keeps Gutman as Secretary of Foreign Relations is that Fox made a deal with US Zionist to appoint a certain number of Jews to his cabinet if they funded his campaign. There is presently an investigation by the Mexican "Instituto Federal Electoral (IFE)" that is looking into vast amounts of funds that came from the U.S. to Fox for his campaign organizations called "Alianza por el Cambio" (Alliance for Change) and "Amigos de Fox" (Friends of Fox).
The "Revolutionary Council and Provisional Government of Aztlan" sent a copy of a communique to La Voz de Aztlan stating that it welcomes the Mexican government's initiative to help Mexican nationals here in Aztlan but that it vehemently rejects the Mexican government's new connections to Zionists and Zionism.
"La Voz de Aztlan" has got to be one of my all time favorite kook sites. Enjoy how the article starts out semi-straight, then spirals into the 'time cube'.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/19/2005 11:31 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh, and for those who've never heard of the "Time Cube":

http://www.timecube.com/

Truly world-class kookdom.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/19/2005 11:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Mr. Juan Hernandez was ousted by Zionist Foreign Minister Jorge Gutman after he stepped on the mercurial secretary's toes by not consulting with him on all matters.

Jesus! They're everywhere!
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/19/2005 11:45 Comments || Top||

#3  How long before the Aztlantans launch the intifada?
Posted by: Seafarious || 08/19/2005 11:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Death before dihmmitudismo!
Posted by: Hyper || 08/19/2005 11:58 Comments || Top||

#5  heh. "If we wanted your services, hombre, we wouldn't be here."
Posted by: BH || 08/19/2005 11:59 Comments || Top||

#6  "Your own people will kill you to prevent this 'Forbidden Truth Cube' from ever being known.
Socrates was killed to hide Truth from public.
1-corner god is a fraud. Are you afraid to know?" - Time Cube


Posted by: Secret Master || 08/19/2005 12:19 Comments || Top||

#7  Looks like a land grab or the revenge of Santa Ana.
Posted by: Rightwing || 08/19/2005 12:27 Comments || Top||

#8  I wonder how long it'll take after they Take Back Texas for the Sabine River to be flooded with wetbacks escaping the depressed economy there.
Posted by: Phil || 08/19/2005 12:53 Comments || Top||

#9  Taking Back Texas may be more of a problem than they think. Better to start with the PROC. It is much less armed and much more prone to put up with this kind of BS than the Lone Star State.
Posted by: Texican || 08/19/2005 13:03 Comments || Top||

#10  " Cruz Bustamante is a known lackey of the Jewish dominated Democratic Party in Alta California "

Well im not sure what to say. Cant disavow Ms. Boxer, but can we at least NOT be blamed for Grey Davis?? At least we go DiFi, and I'll take Cruz if theyre offering.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 08/19/2005 13:03 Comments || Top||

#11  "Cruz Bustamante is a known lackey of the Jewish dominated Democratic Party in Alta California."

I always thought it was dominated by the Teacher's Union. Are they they part of ZOG too?
Posted by: Secret Master || 08/19/2005 13:26 Comments || Top||

#12  tu, it's even worse than that -- Jesus was one o' them Zionists... after all, he agitated for the formation of the Kingdom of the God of the Jews!!!!!!

/paranoid silliness
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/19/2005 13:37 Comments || Top||

#13  What the hell is going on here! Why is it we find out after the fact, that no mention was made for folks to have input before this very bad decision was made.

Help us Obi Wan Kinobe You're our only hope...
Or maybe the Governator?

Just the other day we learned that over 50% of the Mexicans in Mexico want to live in the US for the money. (A survey from CNN's Lou Dobb's recent report.) Big surprise here, although I thought it was more.
The only kind of immigration should be to folks that want to be here because they want to enjoy our way of life. Not be here because of the free everything and money. This has been a very bad and long road that we've been travelling on. Or should I say that the illegal aliens have been moving in on.
Any chance that we can put in a detour, this highway is killing us. Or should I say freeway.


President Fox declared yesterday that he will personally lead the new agency he named "Consejo Nacional para las Comunidades Mexicanas en el Exterior" ( National Council for Mexican Communities Abroad).

So is this more important than running his country?

This "Institute" will also function as a "think tank" that will address the unique problems facing the illegal aliens Mexican immigrant in the US.
The best bet would be to deport them back to Mexico then deal with your problems there.

I love diversity, but I feel a saturation here. This issue needs to be addressed more seriously.
Posted by: Jan || 08/19/2005 13:40 Comments || Top||

#14  How long before the Aztlantans launch the intifada?

A good thing about such an action is that we get to find out who's who.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 08/19/2005 13:43 Comments || Top||

#15  Damn, so that's why all the Mexicans have been crossing the border.

To vote for secession to Mexico.

(Barely able to control maniacal laughter)
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/19/2005 14:25 Comments || Top||

#16  This is getting dangerously close to the kind of thing we move the marines in to suppress. Mexico has done this for a long time, instead of making mexico a better place to live, they tell them to head north.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/19/2005 14:37 Comments || Top||

#17  I guess this is the equivalent of Germany taking special measures to protect ethnic Germans in Czechoslovakia during the pre-war era.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/19/2005 14:41 Comments || Top||

#18  Apt comparison, ZF. Though this is somewhat old news if the article date is correct.
I was a bit curious about the use of the word "govern" in the first sentence, so I tried to find a news article on the subject. automatic translation has problems, and I can't make out the nuances. Is somebody with more spanish than I able to check whether "govern" is an appropriate word choice, or wishful thinking by these nutcases?
Posted by: James || 08/19/2005 15:18 Comments || Top||

#19  Oh come on now,
"Mexico Invades US"
Not a chance, unless Mexico has decided to end all it's problems by being destroyed, invaded and absorbed into the United States?

That's so ridiculous I can't imagine it as anything near even a vanishing possibility.
This has to be some politicly motivated ploy.
To save face maybe?
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/19/2005 15:18 Comments || Top||

#20  As an article entitled "The Great Invasion: Mexico Recovers Its Own" in 1982's Excelsior, Mexico's leading daily newspaper, put it:

The territory lost in the 19th century by...Mexico...seems to be restoring itself through a humble people who go on settling various zones that once were ours on the old maps. Land, under any concept of possession, ends up in the hands of those who deserve it.... [The result of this migration is to return the land] to the jurisdiction of Mexico without the firing of a single shot.


Posted by: DepotGuy || 08/19/2005 15:20 Comments || Top||

#21  Read the article and consider the source. These moonbats are on a par with the white separatists, the American Nazis, the yoyos at the Democratic Underground, and any of the various and sundry palestinian "resistance" groups. This is more agit prop bullshit for the base. Should at some point in the future, they should ever try to put any of this into action, they will find the US military can kill Mexican terrorists with the same efficiency, alacrity, and gusto that they bring to the job of killing Islamofascist terrorists.
Posted by: RWV || 08/19/2005 16:51 Comments || Top||

#22  Problem is not Mexican immigrants, illegal or otherwise. Problem is the American Left that wants to use multiculti junk to destroy assimilation and instill identity politics and resentment in its place. As a teacher, I've seen it in operation in the public schools.

Look where this got the U.K. which has finally realized that self-preservation begins first and foremost with the preservation of your heritage, language, history, and laws.

That Cube site, man is that whacked or what?!!!
Posted by: The Angry Fliegerabwehrkanonen || 08/19/2005 16:53 Comments || Top||

#23  There is presently a search for the Aztlan Representative by Ramon Munoz, Chief of Personnel at Los Pinos (Mexican White House).

Presently?
Posted by: gromgoru || 08/19/2005 18:46 Comments || Top||

#24  I'd settle for:

Fox Extends Mexican Government Into Mexico

Would solve a whole of problems for everyone.
Posted by: Dreadnought || 08/19/2005 18:55 Comments || Top||

#25  Whew .... first and last time at the Cube site.

This does rather give the flavor of it:

I am not allowed to lecture at the word animal
academic institutions, for they fear my wisdom
will expose and indict the pedant hirelings as
betrayers of dumb-ass students - the dung heads
who allow their freedom of speech to be
suppressed without a whimper, unbelieveable.
Word animals will feel the wrath of Cubic curse.

My wisdom so antiquates known knowledge, that
a psychiatrist examining my behavior, eccentric
by his academic single corner knowledge, knows
no course other than to judge me schizoprenic. In
today's society of greed, men of word illusion are elected to lead and wise men are condemned. You must establish a Chair of Wisdom to empower
Wise Men over the stupid intelligentsia, or perish


Actually, re-reading this I suspect the writer really is mentally ill in a clinical sense and not just a moonbat. I feel sorry for the whirlwind of thoughts s/he is buffeted by.
Posted by: head spinning || 08/19/2005 20:00 Comments || Top||

#26  these Aztlan assholes are the fully indoctrinated permanent students in Chicano Studies. Sucking off the gringo educational-funding teat....the irony astounds. Give them the same grief they deliver. What great inventions have come from Aztlan - in the last 1400 yrs....?
Posted by: Frank G || 08/19/2005 20:21 Comments || Top||


Europe
Cypriot airliner had reported electronics problem
Posted by: Steve White || 08/19/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A few days ago reports said Toxicology results would available Thursday (yesterday). Latest reports say by the weekend. I'll speculate they have found something and are rerunning tests and doing new tests to confirm. I'll also speculate its a deliberate poisoning. The decompression/lack of oxygen scenario has too many holes in it. Like what happened during the hour plus the plane was on autopilot? And why did people suddenly revive after an hour without oxygen?
Posted by: phil_b || 08/19/2005 0:22 Comments || Top||

#2  I'd like to see the passenger list for this flight. The facts are slowly coming out, but at this point, everything looks bizarre.

Andreas Prodromou, a trained pilot standing in as cabin crew ...

Should've been able to find the radio and inform someone of what happened on board. Unless they know already.
Posted by: Rafael || 08/19/2005 0:56 Comments || Top||

#3  I agree with you both.

This certainly seems like terrorism. Interesting that the East German pilot's body, and those of 2 others, still missing.

Also interesting, plane was on autopilot until it overshot the runway in Greece. Plane was taken off autopilot.

Posted by: jawa` || 08/19/2005 1:53 Comments || Top||

#4  On greek news witnesses reported seeing a rocket trail heading for the airliner from one of the
F-16's my guess the greek government is trying to cover up a shoot down now
Posted by: Alex || 08/19/2005 1:59 Comments || Top||

#5  This is making more sense now. I would look for this story to become more and more opaque as the time passes. Any statement by the Greek government, or probably any government, is suspect. Perhaps they can get our NTSB to provide some colorful computer animation to show journalists.

It's not so much the shoot-down that they're trying to cover (though that probably wouldn't be good for airliner shareholders), but the terrorist act itself. I do not envy the pilot. Not only will he have to bear the psychological burden of taking out the airliner, but he will never be permitted to speak the truth about it.
Posted by: Rory B. Bellows || 08/19/2005 3:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Just had an idea -- where did those Israeli cruise ships divert to?
Posted by: Rory B. Bellows || 08/19/2005 4:04 Comments || Top||

#7  where did those Israeli cruise ships divert to?

I believe it was Larnacka where the plane took off from. Interesting!
Posted by: phil_b || 08/19/2005 4:48 Comments || Top||

#8  nice conspiracy theories, but I don't see any real proof this was a terrorist attack.
Posted by: lyot || 08/19/2005 7:01 Comments || Top||

#9  ....Guys, In addition to Occam's Razor, remember Kozlowski's Electric Shaver:

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Yes, we are rapidly becoming conditioned to seeing Islamonazi terror take more and more bizarre forms (the shoe bomb, etc.)but in this case we have:

*A plane with a documented history of decompression probs
*Pilots who were not trained to reflexively deal with decompression emergencies the way US and a few other nations pilots are
*A small charter airline running out of a nation not known for its vigilance in dealing with the businesses that operate there.

These guys had a worst-case scenario - one of those where the sim engineers would never try it because it was too far-fetched, just like the Sioux Falls DC-10 crash or the 747 that ingested volcanic ash and lost all four engines simultaneously. NEITHER of those incidents could have possibly happened - yet they did. Admittedly - especially because of the um...occasional duplicity of the Greek government, we should be carefully skeptical. But I believe that in the end, all we are dealing with is an unusual but far from impossible accident.

BTW- the shootdown theory is a very difficult one to go with. A plane - especially one the size of a 737, with redundant systems that work to keep it in the air even if the crew can't - is very tough to kill, especially with a fragmentation weapon like an AIM-9 Sidewinder (what the HAF F-6s were likely carrying)or 20mm. That is one reason the USAF F-16s that were scrambled after Flight 93 were prepared to ram it if necessary. In addition, a missile launch and detonation is a VERY spectacular event - the missile exhaust trail is more than just a thin contrail, it's HUGE - and the detonation tends to leave a distinctive 'smoke ring'. When we get a good number of witnesses who describe these events, then I will happily withdraw my position - but again, I think all we have here is an odball accident.

Mike

Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 08/19/2005 7:36 Comments || Top||

#10  Mike,

I have a different method of assumption. As I have stated the other day, this is a shoot down until I hear otherwise.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 08/19/2005 10:15 Comments || Top||

#11  Ly A Lot,

You probably don't consider 9/11 a terrorist attack. Muslims have lost all moral authority and benefit of doubt, the world over. I have a funny feeling that no amount of proof will ever satisfy you, ever!

Posted by: Poison Reverse || 08/19/2005 10:20 Comments || Top||

#12  Mike K: I take the view that sometimes the simplest explanation is that there is a connection. Wouldn't sensors detect a decompression and tell the autopilot to descend to 10,000 ft, regardless of the crew's training? Why was the pilot out of the cockpit? Why did the Greek police beat up the man who said he received a text message? Why did the Greek police raid the airliner office? What about the reports concerning the air conditioning system?

On the 8th, the Israeli gov't ordered their cruise ships away from the Turkish coast. The ships On the 10th, the Turks busted the Great Eastern Islamic Raiders Front cell, led by Luia Sakra. On the 11th, CBS News (link) reported that the Turks were still "frantically searching for other suspects linked to the man... Authorities were also hunting for two squads of possible suicide bombers."

On the 14th, the plane crashed. I think it's possible some of these excaped cell members fled to Cyprus.

Posted by: Rory B. Bellows || 08/19/2005 13:30 Comments || Top||

#13  Does anyone except me find it fishy that an airliner that supposedly ran out of fuel should burn after crashing?

I go with the "Suspicious activity in the cockpit earned them a missle" theory.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/19/2005 14:29 Comments || Top||

#14  poison reverse, you're not better then all the lunatics forwarding the 9/11 conspiracy theories.. Making assumptions is easy, but I see no evidence to support your hypothesis..
Posted by: lyot || 08/19/2005 14:38 Comments || Top||

#15  One of the Bond Movies (Thunderball remake) had a scenario like this crash.
A Pilot plugged a poison gas canister into the plane's oxy supply, used an independent air bottle for himself, and flew away with the plane.
With a slight rewrite the Cyprus flight has the same basic plot, difference is that the F-16 pilot was around to see "People trying to take control of the aircraft", "The copilot slumped over the controls" and "Oxy masks dangling in the cabin area"

Looks like a clear shootdown, and probably a prevention of another 9-11 event, this time in Athens.

If anyone forgets, Athens is the Greek Capital City.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/19/2005 15:01 Comments || Top||

#16  After posting, I thought of a question I did not ask.

Reports say the plane was making "Constant Left Turns" (Another report said "Right Turns") indicating "Radio Out"

Question, did the plane turn toward Athens?

Coupled with the pilot's reports, that would be enough for me to order a shootdown.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/19/2005 15:10 Comments || Top||

#17  Ly A Lot,

After this statement, I will no longer feed the troll. Speaking of feeding, I am grilling some pork chops tonight, you want some.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 08/19/2005 15:32 Comments || Top||

#18  Mike, right now the fishy parts are:

1) The plane lost contact at 10:07am.
2) It crashed at 12:05pm.
3) Some people were still alive, though not necessarily conscious, when it crashed.

If oxygen deprivation caused the loss of radio contact, how could anyone have been alive two hours later when the plane crashed? Others here have said the cabin oxygen only lasts for about ten minutes, and people cannot live without oxygen for two hours.

I suppose it's possible (doctors?) for the cabin to have incompletely depressurized, thereby rendering the passengers unconscious, but alive for two hours after their oxygen gave out. The flight attendants would have been on separate oxygen, and therefore (theoretically) able to move about.

An update: Turkey says it received a distress signal from the plane; Greece says it (Greece) did not. The Turks ignored it after they found that the aircraft was not in Turkish airspace.

Also, I was in error the other day when I said that the plane had crashed only a few minutes before it was scheduled to land in Athens (and therefore fuel exhaustion was unlikely). It was actually scheduled to land somewhere around 10:45am.

Why did the Greek police beat up the man who said he received a text message?

Despite jokes and insinuations made by some (including me) the other day, there's not much evidence for this. He had one sharp cut above the eye; the rest of his face was unmarked.

Redneck Jim: In California in August you can start a grass fire just by looking at it funny. I expect Greece is the same.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 08/19/2005 15:37 Comments || Top||

#19  Point taken, I myself had to put out a small fire caused by simply parking my car over a unmowed weedy spot, but I'd still like to know if the fire was grass, it said the plane hit a mountainside, Pictures showed very little vegitation.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/19/2005 16:09 Comments || Top||

#20  I still maintain the only other crash on record that looks this was the General Zia crash and that was almost certainly deliberate poisoning. BTW, the timing is right for it to have run out of fuel. What brought it down is not the mystery. Its what happened in the 2.5 hours+ the plane was flying.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/19/2005 18:32 Comments || Top||

#21  Martian Secret Service killing useless cutouts. Pretty obvious to an experienced out-of-the-jacket thinker. which Ima one.
Posted by: HalfEmpty || 08/19/2005 18:33 Comments || Top||

#22  Latest, is that it wasn't CO poisoning. Testing for other substances continues. BTW, I thought with mass spectrometers you could test for every substance under the sun in minutes.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/19/2005 18:45 Comments || Top||

#23  "BTW, I thought with mass spectrometers you could test for every substance under the sun in minutes."

That's only in the movies. In real life, governments have to manipulate and coverup actual results. And that takes time, years even.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 08/19/2005 19:06 Comments || Top||


Schroeder mourns huge SPD member loss one month before elections
Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder on Thursday admitted sorrow over the huge loss of members in his Social Democratic Party with exactly one month until German elections which all polls say he will lose, dpa reported. "What hurts me is that many Social Democratic Party (SPD) members have not yet seen the necessity for reform," said Schroeder in an interview with Germany's ZDF TV. The Chancellor admitted he was sad that the SPD had lost so many members since he came to power in 1998 at the head of a centre-left coalition with the Greens. According to ZDF, the SPD had 775,000 members when Schroeder became chancellor but how has just 600,000 members. In addition, 11 out of Germany's 16 Laender, or federal states, were SPD ruled when Schroeder took the helm. Now just four Laender have SPD governments.

All opinion polls show Schroeder's coalition is set to lose the planned September 18 general election. Three new polls on Wednesday gave a slim parliamentary majority to opposition leader Angela Merkel's Christian Democratic alliance (CDU/CSU) with their smaller Free Democratic (FDP) ally. Nevertheless, Schroeder appeared upbeat and he insisted that his reforms - which have cost him left-wing support were vital for the nation. "If one does not undertake action at a historic moment one will be overtaken," said Schroeder, adding that the success of his tax cuts and labour market reforms would probably take longer to kick in than he had planned. Germany's general election will be held on September 18 pending a final green light from the country's highest court.
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#1  boohoohoo. poor me.

quit picken your nose a**hole and STFU.
see ya would't want to be ya.
Posted by: Red Dog || 08/19/2005 1:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds like to me that they do see the need for reform - and you're #1 on the list, Schröder. Buh fucking bye, asshole.
Posted by: .com || 08/19/2005 1:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Ah! two experts on German politics, just so you know he will probably win again as no one wants Angel Merkel to be the boss, the only reason the SPD has lost supporters is not because of the SPD agenda its because of the Green Party side of the partnership and thats why the SPD will disconnect from them
Posted by: Alex || 08/19/2005 2:10 Comments || Top||

#4  Actually the losses SPD have had are to more left wing parties. I think you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 08/19/2005 2:22 Comments || Top||

#5  Bye-bye asswipe. I could have told ya it takes more to make a political platform than a diametric opposition to the U.S.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/19/2005 8:10 Comments || Top||

#6  Great, more pull for the terrorist Joschka.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 08/19/2005 8:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Oh gee, do I listen to Alex or TGA?

Ooooh. tough one.

Thank you sooo much for your Kool Aid assessment, there Alex. Take another swig - you're gonna need it.
Posted by: .com || 08/19/2005 17:29 Comments || Top||

#8  The SPD has lost voters because they have not been doing what workers expect of the SPD... but it STILL failed. It has enacted reforms that are timid steps in the right direction (even the latest issue of the Economist acknowledges that), but those reforms don't create jobs because they have done little about taxes and social contributions. They are half baked and inefficient. Germany is still a nanny state but with less money and more absurd bureaucracy to distribute the money. Its problems can be fixed though. The Greens have little to do with the anger against the SPD because the Green have had an astonishingly low profile in the government.

The Left Party is catering to those who either just wanna stick it to the SPD but could never vote CDU or who seriously believe in (national) socialist lalaland. The realists will vote CDU the true believers in a free market and self responsibility will vote FDP.

My first election prediction:

CDU/CSU: 44,5%
FDP: 6,5%

SPD: 30%
Greens: 8,5%
Left: 7,5%
Other: 3%
Posted by: True German Ally || 08/19/2005 22:14 Comments || Top||

#9  Rhetorical question, TGA, for those of who remember when you found us. You the man
Posted by: Frank G || 08/19/2005 22:31 Comments || Top||

#10  Its not reform, Gerard, when the solution to the probs of already democratic socialist Germany is more problematic Socialism and the taxpayer-supp heavy bureacracies and regulations that go with it. Germans = Japanese = realize the true threat from Radic Islam and anti-US agendists > want their nations to help - read, FIGHT - more in the WOT!? Is the BundesWehr an Army of Germans, or an Army of Yahoos whom foolishly want to believe its only the Americans they're after?
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/19/2005 23:02 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Googling for the word "failure"
Fortune and Businessweek are leftist business magazines that seem to focus more on the need to expand the welfare state than business itself. Check out this snarky remark by one of its writers:
Speaking of Google, on the advice of a friend, I tried Googling the word "failure." Interesting results...
Note that Google has chosen to put the President's biography at whitehouse.gov as the number one listing under the word failure, even though the word appears nowhere on the page. This is the same Google that chose to help the Chinese government protect its citizens from search terms like "freedom" and "democracy". My advice is for conservatives to stop using Google. Also avoid MSN and Yahoo, both of which have the same bias. Askjeeves.com seems refreshingly devoid of leftist spin, so consider using it in place of the other search engines.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/19/2005 10:42 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That's interesting. The word isn't even in the meta tag list.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 08/19/2005 11:08 Comments || Top||

#2  Leftists dominate the broadcast and print media, and now they're dominating internet search engines, as well. It makes a lot of sense. Internet companies are media companies, too. Think about the type of people who work for media companies...
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/19/2005 11:32 Comments || Top||

#3  wouldnt whitehouse.gov have lots of references to how NoChildLeftBehind is countering the failure of public schools?
Posted by: liberalhawk || 08/19/2005 11:38 Comments || Top||

#4  It was a google bomb by leftist... nothing to do with google the company...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_bomb
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 08/19/2005 12:03 Comments || Top||

#5  I heard of this a long time ago. It's been around for almost 2 years according to Snopes.

How did this come about, especially since the phrase "miserable failure" appears nowhere in the President's biography? It was the result of a "Google bombing" project organized by George Johnston back at the end of October 2003, in which he used his blog to urge others to include links connecting the phrase "miserable failure" (a term used prominently by Democratic hopeful Dick Gephardt) with the President's biography in their own web sites and blogs:
Let's get everyone to link to http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html with the words "Miserable Failure." Our goal is to make Shrubya the top google pick.
It's fun, it's easy just Miserable Failure in your favorite web page will look like Miserable Failure
According to Mr. Johnston's progress report, by the last week of November 2003 the Bush biography was the #2 result on Google for "miserable failure," and — after more and more netizens implemented the same link on their sites and urged others to do the same — it reached the top spot soon afterward. (A #1 ranking at Google brings the added bonus of returning the targeted site when users select the search engine's "I'm Feeling Lucky" button.)


Maybe I could be a columnist for Forbes or Businessweek?
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/19/2005 12:21 Comments || Top||

#6  tu 3031 is correct. But some good folks have been at work, too. If you Google miserable failure and do NOT hit the "feeling lucky" button, our friend Mr. Moore comes up second.

Google assigns significance to the number of times something is linked to something else. Some lefty who understood how Google worked developed the Google Bomb. Since "miserable failure" is such an odd search tern, it only took a few people a few links to get it to work.
Posted by: Bobby || 08/19/2005 12:28 Comments || Top||

#7  Currently, number 2 for failure is Jimmy Carter's bio, also at whitehouse.gov.

Posted by: Angie Schultz || 08/19/2005 14:27 Comments || Top||

#8  Thanks, guys. I had heard of the term google-bombing before, but this is the first time I've read a detailed explanation.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/19/2005 14:37 Comments || Top||

#9  What is more telling is that after 2 years Google who's motto is "don't be evil" has not fixed it. If you look a Google news the sources are 100% liberal MSM. As with all search engines your trust level needs to be tempered by the realities of human foibles.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 08/19/2005 18:01 Comments || Top||

#10  #6. Bobby: If you Google miserable failure and do NOT hit the "feeling lucky" button, our friend Mr. Moore comes up second. Fat boy was #3 when I Googled "failure" , but when I clicked on
www.michaelmoore.com/ George W.'s bio came up. So the unwashed one's IT team deflected it back to the whitehouse.gov.
Posted by: GK || 08/19/2005 18:16 Comments || Top||


Two Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court Fight
DOUGLAS, Ariz., Aug. 18 - Spent shells litter the ground at what is left of the firing range, and camouflage outfits still hang in a storeroom. Just a few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico. Now, in a turnabout, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.
The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them. "Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit. Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence." The surrender of the ranch comes as the governors of Arizona and New Mexico have declared a state of emergency because of the influx of illegal immigrants and related crime along the border.
Bill Dore, a Douglas resident briefly affiliated with Ranch Rescue who is still active in the border-patrolling Minuteman Project, called the land transfer "ridiculous." "The illegals are coming over here," Mr. Dore said. "They are getting the American property. Hell, I'd come over, too. Get some American property, make some money from the gringos." The immigrants getting the ranch, Edwin Alfredo Mancía Gonzáles and Fátima del Socorro Leiva Medina, could not be reached for comment. Kelley Bruner, a lawyer at the law center, said they did not want to speak to the news media but were happy with the outcome.
Ms. Bruner said that Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva, who are from El Salvador but are not related, would not live at the ranch and would probably sell it. Mr. Nethercott bought the ranch in 2003 for $120,000. Mr. Mancía, who lives in Los Angeles, and Ms. Leiva, who lives in the Dallas area, have applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities, Ms. Bruner said. She said that until a decision was made on their applications, they could stay and work in the United States on a year-to-year basis.
Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva were caught on a ranch in Hebbronville, Tex., in March 2003 by Mr. Nethercott and other members of Ranch Rescue. The two immigrants later accused Mr. Nethercott of threatening them and of hitting Mr. Mancía with a pistol, charges that Mr. Nethercott denied. The immigrants also said the group gave them cookies, water and a blanket and let them go after an hour or so. The Salvadorans testified against Mr. Nethercott when he was tried by Texas prosecutors. The jury deadlocked on a charge of pistol-whipping but convicted Mr. Nethercott, who had previously served time in California for assault, of gun possession, which is illegal for a felon. He is now serving a five-year sentence in a Texas prison.
Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva also filed a lawsuit against Mr. Nethercott; Jack Foote, the founder of Ranch Rescue; and the owner of the Hebbronville ranch, Joe Sutton. The immigrants said the ordeal, in which they feared that they would be killed by the men they thought were soldiers, had left them with post-traumatic stress. Mr. Sutton settled for $100,000. Mr. Nethercott and Mr. Foote did not defend themselves, so the judge issued default judgments of $850,000 against Mr. Nethercott and $500,000 against Mr. Foote. Mr. Dees said Mr. Foote appeared to have no substantial assets, but Mr. Nethercott had the ranch. Shortly after the judgment, Mr. Nethercott gave the land to his sister, Robin Albitz, of Prescott, Ariz. The Southern Poverty Law Center sued the siblings, saying the transfer was fraudulent and was meant to avoid the judgment. Ms. Albitz, a nursing assistant, signed over the land to the two immigrants last week. "It scared the hell out of her," Margaret Pauline Nethercott, the mother of Mr. Nethercott and Ms. Albitz, said of the lawsuit. "She didn't know she had done anything illegal. We didn't know they had a judgment against my son."
This was not the first time the law center had taken property from a group on behalf of a client. In 1987, the headquarters of a Ku Klux Klan group in Alabama was given to the mother of a boy whose murder was tied to Klansmen. Property has also been taken from the Aryan Nations and the White Aryan Resistance, Mr. Dees said. Joseph Jacobson, a lawyer in Austin who represented Mr. Nethercott in the criminal case, said the award was "a vast sum of money for a very small indignity." Mr. Jacobson said the two immigrants were trespassing on Mr. Sutton's ranch and would have been deported had the criminal charges not been filed against Mr. Nethercott. He criticized the law center for trying to get $60,000 in bail money transferred to the immigrants. While the center said the money was Mr. Nethercott's, Mr. Jacobson said it was actually Ms. Nethercott's, who mortgaged her home to post bail for her son.
Mr. Nethercott and Mr. Foote had a falling out in 2004, and Mr. Foote left Camp Thunderbird, taking Ranch Rescue with him. Mr. Nethercott then formed the Arizona Guard, also based on his ranch. In April, Mr. Nethercott told an Arizona television station, "We're going to come out here and close the border with machine guns." But by the end of the month, he had started his prison sentence.
Now, only remnants of Camp Thunderbird remain on his ranch, a vast expanse of hard red soil, mesquite and tumbleweed with a house and two bunkhouses. One bunkhouse has a storeroom containing some camouflage suits, sleeping bags, tarps, emergency rations, empty ammunition crates, gun parts and a chemical warfare protection suit. In one part of the ranch, dirt is piled up to form the backdrop of a firing range. An old water tank, riddled with bullet holes, is on its side. A platform was built as an observation post on the tower that once held the water tank.
Charles Jones, who was hired as a ranch hand about a month before Mr. Nethercott went to prison, put up fences and brought in cattle to graze. He has continued to live on the property with some family members. But now the cattle are gone, and Mr. Jones has been told that he should prepare to leave. "It makes me sick I did all this work," he said. Ms. Nethercott said she was not sure whether her son knew that his ranch was being turned over to the immigrants, but that he would be crushed if he did. "That's his whole life," she said of the ranch. "He'd be heartbroken if he lost it in any way, but this is the worst way."
Posted by: sea cruise || 08/19/2005 05:37 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Disgusting!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 08/19/2005 8:30 Comments || Top||

#2  I admired the Southern Poverty Law Center until this.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 08/19/2005 8:44 Comments || Top||

#3  I'd say "That really SUCKS!"
Posted by: Cheart Javiper3310 || 08/19/2005 9:32 Comments || Top||

#4  I second DB's comment. Unless the reporters left out some details, I think this is screwy.

Notice how they are awaiting visas for reporting a crime?
Posted by: Penguin || 08/19/2005 10:14 Comments || Top||

#5  This gets me so riled up, (on my day off too) I'll take a break and drink another pot of coffee and listen to the hummingbirds outside for awhile....

"The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them."

Since when can't you defend your own property. (Too damn many to drag into your house) Our right to a fair judgement in a court of law is just that, OUR right. Since when does someone coming into our country who has committed a crime by being here illegally have an EQUAL right to sue the folks that are trying to stop this illegal flow of immigrants? A hearing yes, to make sure no wrong doing, but be able to sue like this no way. A hearing should be on them first about their illegal status.

Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."

It most certainly does send a message, not the one you'd agree with.

"..said they did not want to speak to the news media but were happy with the outcome.

I say hell ya let the media inform America what's really happening. Of course they're happy with the outcome.

Mr. Mancía, who lives in Los Angeles, and Ms. Leiva, who lives in the Dallas area, snuck into this country illegally applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities, Ms. Bruner said.
Cooperate? Where in the wording does cooperate come from crossing our borders illegally?

I bet they don't. It's more of a crime when in trying to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into this country, is looked upon as; a crime that needs to be
dealt with in a court of law or worse yet settled out of court.


"The immigrants said that while crossing illegally the ordeal, in which they feared that they would be killed by the men they thought were soldiers, had left them with post-traumatic stress."

SIMPLE DON'T CROSS THE BORDER. Now the message is given for illegals to cross the border and if held back in any way, sue.

"In 1987, the headquarters of a Ku Klux Klan group in Alabama was given to the mother of a boy whose murder was tied to Klansmen."

In no way should the analogy of LEGAL black Americans have been compared to the ILLEGAL immigrants that have come into our country ILLEGALLY.
They'll probably use the land now to enhance illegal crossings for the Mexicans AND OTM's, drug trafficking, etc.
Sigh.
Where do the Supreme Court Justice folks stand on these issues?
Posted by: Jan || 08/19/2005 10:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Well said, Jan. As a native Alabaman and long time opposer of the Klan I supported the outcome of the case in Alabama. This, however, seems to me to be travesty.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 08/19/2005 10:25 Comments || Top||

#7  This is phuquing insane.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 08/19/2005 10:45 Comments || Top||

#8  Time to shoot the lawyers and judges as well. We are in desprate need of a revolution.
Posted by: mmurray821 || 08/19/2005 11:18 Comments || Top||

#9  We are in desprate need of a revolution.

I'll bet you anything that countries south of our border from Mexico to Uruguay are laughing their asses off over this development. And making plans accordingly.

It's one thing to be under assault from external threats, but even more of a shame to be slowly destroyed from within....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 08/19/2005 11:27 Comments || Top||

#10  I guess they learned their lesson. Next time, they will simply shoot them and bury them.
Posted by: Jackal || 08/19/2005 11:32 Comments || Top||

#11  I'm glad that Mr. Dees is so proud of this. How proud is he gonna be when the folks down there, upon reading this, opt for Jackal's solution?
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/19/2005 11:43 Comments || Top||

#12  "...have applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities."
Ambiguous wording in legal statutes will always be open for abuse. One would assume that this "Out of the Shadows" clause was intended to encourage Illegals to cooperate with authorities against the individuals and companies that illegally hire and then further exploit them. Now that the criminal as well as the ridiculous civil litigation has been completed they should be deported to their country of origin and wait in line with the rest who wish to immigrate legally.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 08/19/2005 12:01 Comments || Top||

#13  Maybe it's poetic justice, y'know? Now these two have to deal with a bunch of illegal aliens traipsing all over their property, making a mess of things.
Posted by: BH || 08/19/2005 12:12 Comments || Top||

#14  Now these two have to deal with a bunch of illegal aliens traipsing all over their property, making a mess of things.

Likely scenario: They'll sell the property, pocket the money, and continue squatting on U.S. soil. In the meantime, the buyer is stuck with the mess.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 08/19/2005 14:43 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
NCAA Modifies PC Ban Of Indian Mascots
Not much of a victory here; take what they give ya...

INDIANAPOLIS -- The NCAA said Friday that excessive complaints about stoopid rules approval from American Indian tribes would be a primary factor in deciding appeals from schools that want to use Native American nicknames and mascots in postseason play.
Th other 'primary factors' still not entirely clear...
The first review is scheduled to start next week.
Lotsa appeals already? It's only a week old!
Two weeks ago, the NCAA having solved all other pressing issues announced that it would ban the use of American Indian imagery and nicknames by school representatives at postseason tournaments starting with the NCAA Men's basketball tournament in February. Mascots will not be allowed to perform at tournament games, and band members and cheerleaders will also be barred from using Indian images on their uniforms beginning in 2008.
Pictures of Myles Brand with the red slash through it should be the substituted 'image'.
The NCAA's decision also prohibits schools with American Indian mascots from hosting future NCAA postseason events. Schools that have already been awarded postseason tournaments would have to cover any Indian depictions in their sports venues.
'Or else what' similary undefined...
Arkansas State said when the ban was announced that it uses the Indians name with respect and would continue to use the term.
"So piss off!"
Major college football will not be affected because there is no official NCAA tournament.
There should be, but they'll never go for it - too much $ from the bowl system.
All appeals will go through a staff committee chaired by Bernard Franklin, the NCAA's senior vice president for governance and membership. Decisions could then be reviewed by the NCAA's executive committee.
At least there's two levels of appeal, that's mighty white of 'em.
"This is a politically correct complex issue and the circumstances surrounding each institution's use of Native American mascots and imagery is different," Franklin said in a written statement. "Each review will be considered on the unique aspects and circumstances as it relates to the specific use and practice at that college or university."
Sounds like a boilerplate statement to me.
One factor will be whether documentation exists from a "namesake" tribe that has approved use of Indian images or nicknames.
But wait, there's more!
The most outspoken university officials have been at Florida State, which uses the nickname Seminoles and has already threatened a lawsuit. The Seminole Tribe of Florida announced in June it supported the use of its tribal name by Florida State. And the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma recently stated that it does not condemn Florida State for its use of the Seminole nickname.

But NCAA officials said Florida State was put on the list because other Seminole tribes were opposed.
So some tribes are 'offended' (the most egregious of PC crimes), by all means ban the offending symbols.
At least 18 schools face sanctions.
Put the UN in charge of enforcing the sanctions; at least the schools can recoup the money they're gonna lose that way...
"It is vitally important that we maintain an iron fist enforcement policy balance between the interests of the professionally offended a particular Native American tribe and the NCAA's ability to shoot itself in the foot yet again responsibility to ensure an atmosphere of respect and sensitivity for all who attend and participate in our championships," NCAA President Myles Brand said in a written statement.
You gonna answer that e-mail I sent you last week, Myles?
"We recognize that there are many points of view associated with this issue and we also know that some Native American groups support the use of mascots and imagery and some do not; that is why we will pay particular attention to special circumstances associated with each institution."
My over/under on the 18 schools successfully beating the ban - 4; FSU loses & takes it to the Supreme Court. Huge can o' worms will follow.
Posted by: Joan Kennedy || 08/19/2005 18:04 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ms Kennedy,
The schools that threaten lawsuits,esp the ones w/political clout,will get NCAA approval. The schools that weakly protest and obey the dictat will be found guilty.
While Div 1 football is exempt,virtually everything else is under attack.
Posted by: Stephen || 08/19/2005 23:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Guess that means that the NCAA will have to stop using the Apache web server.
Posted by: AJackson || 08/20/2005 0:02 Comments || Top||


Global warming and anti global warming scientists bet on future results
EFL

Two climate change sceptics, who believe the dangers of global warming are overstated, have put their money where their mouth is and bet $10,000 that the planet will cool over the next decade.
The Russian solar physicists Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev have agreed the wager with a British climate expert, James Annan.

The pair, based in Irkutsk, at the Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics, believe that global temperatures are driven more by changes in the sun's activity than by the emission of greenhouse gases. They say the Earth warms and cools in response to changes in the number and size of sunspots. Most mainstream scientists dismiss the idea, but as the sun is expected to enter a less active phase over the next few decades the Russian duo are confident they will see a drop in global temperatures.

Dr Annan, who works on the Japanese Earth Simulator supercomputer, in Yokohama, said: "There isn't much money in climate science and I'm still looking for that gold watch at retirement. A pay-off would be a nice top-up to my pension."
To decide who wins the bet, the scientists have agreed to compare the average global surface temperature recorded by a US climate centre between 1998 and 2003, with temperatures they will record between 2012 and 2017.

If the temperature drops Dr Annan will stump up the $10,000 (now equivalent to about £5,800) in 2018. If the Earth continues to warm, the money will go the other way.

I'll put an extra $100 on the Russians
Posted by: mmurray821 || 08/19/2005 14:58 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Russkis are figuring the odds of events causing a Nuclear winter in the next decade are too damn good to pass up this bet.
Posted by: Penguin || 08/19/2005 16:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Geez, Penguin, I haven't heard the term "nuclear winter" since the 1st Gulf War, when loser Saddam had the Kuwaiti oil wells set on fire as his army was routed retreating, in his if-I-can't-have-your-property-you-can't-either tantrum.

I seem to remember all the usual suspects had been warning that if he did that (as he had threatened), the smoke from the wells would cause "nuclear winter."

It didn't affect the atmosphere at all, as far as I remember (though you could see the plumes of smoke from space).

In fact, as far as I know, even Hiroshima/Nagasaki didn't cause "nuclear winter."

What did you have in mind?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/19/2005 20:42 Comments || Top||

#3  I'm with the Russians, but I think each side should put their $10,000 in escrow -- guys named "Annan" are not to be trusted.
Posted by: Darrell || 08/19/2005 20:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Iff Osama is the true Mahdi, and Zawi and Zarghy are His Prophets, whattta da odds of the Sun exploding once someone puts a bullet thru their heads - you know, ANTI-GOD SECULARISM. And there's Madonna - sniffle, sniffle - a'fallin off her hoss like Daddy Emperor Barbarossa of the Holy Roman Empire, or Mommy Maria THerese of Austria, etal.!? Make God and Daddy Attila proud and break those bones good, girl!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/19/2005 21:21 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Tech
Nanotube sheets on the cheap
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 08/19/2005 11:43 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Cool

Progress marches on.
Perhaps a Space Elevator is feasible in our lifetimes.
Posted by: DanNY || 08/19/2005 12:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Might be. Certainly the cable needed will be available in a few years max. This is what I do for a living now. The sheet thing is a little dodgy, but other methods that can produce the same things aren't. Also note that CNT's are used in water filters, where nearly perfect (eight nines) kills of virus and bacteria are attained using CNT's (bateria 100x easier than viruses). The first such units are in the field, have been for nearly 2 years; commercial units are 6-8 months away. Looks like it works in blood for viruses per test data (more work needed there), fuel cleanup of bacteria (think jet fuel), etc. Water can be disassociated into hydrogen and oxygen in the presence of CNT's and sunlight (think hydrogen economy). Desal can be accomplished using CNT's and a little current (this one is a couple of years out for commercialization though). Think body armor, chamelion suits, etc. Staggering scope.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike || 08/19/2005 12:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Space elevator tech will be huge even if the elevator itself is impractical. Think of all the other applications a *shorter* length of cable are used for. Imagine swapping out several tons of steel cable for one weighing a few pounds?
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/19/2005 13:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Actually think HEAVY armor, as in the stuff used in tanks. Nanotubes are some of the toughest materials in the world (short of ring carbon although we're getting close to producing that in mass quantities too). Put enough layers on a tank and we start to begin approaching needing tac nukes to take one out.
Posted by: Valentine || 08/19/2005 14:43 Comments || Top||

#5  Maybe you'd need superbombs to breach such armor, but the people rattling around inside are a bit more delicate than the armor.
Posted by: James || 08/19/2005 15:32 Comments || Top||

#6  Maybe you'd need superbombs to breach such armor, but the people rattling around inside are a bit more delicate than the armor.
Posted by: Penguin || 08/19/2005 16:20 Comments || Top||

#7  Never read Keith Laumer's BOLO books, did you?
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/19/2005 17:12 Comments || Top||

#8  I'd attack nano-armour with thousands of little tiny carbon processing robots.
Posted by: Turin M Chine || 08/19/2005 18:37 Comments || Top||

#9  So long as they aren't the tiny robots that have been annoying Shipman's golden retriever lately. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/19/2005 19:55 Comments || Top||

#10  I won't be satisfied until I hear the cooing: "Frank - you're as a hard as carbon!" :-)
Posted by: Frank G || 08/19/2005 20:13 Comments || Top||

#11  I think Shipman has had a thing about robots ever since I suggested the Taiwanese use small, but not tiny, robot mines in the strait, against a Chinese flotilla. For some reason, he fixated on it.

Dropped like cluster munitions, and networked to swim in such a way as to close gaps, generally following the ocean current, seems like a reasonable thing to do as a short interval denial weapon against a large number of ships. I suggested that larger versions could be carried by drones which would just crash into the sea, setting the mine loose.

No idea what got him all excited about it, though.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/19/2005 22:39 Comments || Top||

#12  Read Michael Chrichton - swarm theory - Prey

enjoy
Posted by: Frank G || 08/19/2005 22:49 Comments || Top||

#13  Ima gonna take those sheets n build Nano-Moabs, fit 'em onto a squadron of Nano-B29s and fly 'em into the MMs mosque in Teheran on a Friday and set 'em off.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 08/19/2005 23:19 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Gaddafi's nephew flown to Berlin hospital
Berlin: A nephew of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi has been rushed by air ambulance to a hospital in Berlin after being injured in a car crash in Libya. Police confirmed that the 34-year-old man, who arrived in Berlin on Tuesday, was suffering from severe head injuries. The man was taken to a hospital that deals with severely injured accident victims. The man's bodyguards reportedly used a suitcase filled with cash to pay in advance for his medical treatment. - Sapa-DPA
Not one of his sons as suspected yesterday. Nothing to see, move along.
Posted by: Steve || 08/19/2005 10:20 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Tech
Hurricane Forecaster on Global Warming
Meteorologist William Gray may be the world’s most famous hurricane expert. More than two decades ago, as professor of atmospheric science and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project at Colorado State University, he pioneered the science of hurricane forecasting. Each December, six months before the start of hurricane season, the now 75-year-old Gray and his team issue a long-range prediction of the number of major tropical storms that will arise in the Atlantic Ocean basin, as well as the number of hurricanes and intense hurricanes (with winds of at least 111 mph). This year, Gray expects more activity, with 15 named storms, including 8 hurricanes. Four of them, he says, will be intense. More about hurrican forecasting at link. I wanted to share his perspective on global warming, especially the last answer.

You don’t believe global warming is causing climate change?

G: No. If it is, it is causing such a small part that it is negligible. I’m not disputing that there has been global warming. There was a lot of global warming in the 1930s and ’40s, and then there was a slight global cooling from the middle ’40s to the early ’70s. And there has been warming since the middle ’70s, especially in the last 10 years. But this is natural, due to ocean circulation changes and other factors. It is not human induced.

That must be a controversial position among hurricane researchers.

G: Nearly all of my colleagues who have been around 40 or 50 years are skeptical as hell about this whole global-warming thing. But no one asks us. If you don’t know anything about how the atmosphere functions, you will of course say, “Look, greenhouse gases are going up, the globe is warming, they must be related.” Well, just because there are two associations, changing with the same sign, doesn’t mean that one is causing the other.

With last year’s hurricane season so active, and this year’s looking like it will be, won’t people say it’s evidence of global warming?

G: The Atlantic has had more of these storms in the least 10 years or so, but in other ocean basins, activity is slightly down. Why would that be so if this is climate change? The Atlantic is a special basin? The number of major storms in the Atlantic also went way down from the middle 1960s to the middle ’90s, when greenhouse gases were going up.

Why is there scientific support for the idea?

G: So many people have a vested interest in this global-warming thing—all these big labs and research and stuff. The idea is to frighten the public, to get money to study it more. Now that the cold war is over, we have to generate a common enemy to support science, and what better common enemy for the globe than greenhouse gases?

Are your funding problems due in part to your views?

G: I can’t be sure, but I think that’s a lot of the reason. I have been around 50 years, so my views on this are well known. I had NOAA money for 30 some years, and then when the Clinton administration came in and Gore started directing some of the environmental stuff, I was cut off. Wait a minute - I thought it was only Bushitler who ignored science that didn't agree with his personal agenda? I couldn’t get any NOAA money. They turned down 13 straight proposals from me.

Posted by: Bobby || 08/19/2005 07:31 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I read an article on another site yesterday that stated that hurricanes now are stronger than 30 years ago because there is a lot more destruction. Absolute bullshit. The reason there is more destruction is because there are a lot more buildings now. 30 years ago I frequented the coast between Panama City and Pensecola. I could drive for miles along empty beaches. Now there are no empty beaches, it's one long strip of hotels and condos. Any hurricane that hits along that stretch will cause a lot more destruction than 30 years ago. Junk science at work. This guy knows his stuff and was silenced because he didn't toe the politically correct line.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 08/19/2005 10:21 Comments || Top||

#2  "With last year’s hurricane season so active, and this year’s looking like it will be, won’t people say it’s evidence of global warming?"

Yes, because the MSM writes the story first then, finds sources to back up their "Bring America Down" mentality. E.g. selfish politicians and anti-American atheist scientists.

Any sane scientist will tell you that proper climate change study requires anomly that goes back thousands of years, not 40 or 50 years. An accurate thesis must eliminate the probability of naturally occurring cyclic weather phenomenon. Also, increased beach population and construction must be entered into the increased destruction equation, as negative equalization.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 08/19/2005 11:03 Comments || Top||

#3  Good points, DB. Years ago, not much that was very expensive was built on the coast. Remember the beach bungalow? You didn't lose much when it blew away. Now with FEMA (read "your tax money" insurance, the destruction to the mansions and resort hotels IS uglier and more costly.
Posted by: SR-71 || 08/19/2005 11:10 Comments || Top||

#4  I live in hurricane prone southern Rhode Island and properties destroyed in a Hurricane are typically not rebuilt. The property owner is compensated for the property but not granted a permit to rebuild. Sad irony, I'm a firefighter who fought a fire at my families beachfront property several years back. We were fortunate enough to save enough of the structure to get a remodeling permit had it been declared a total loss. We were out.
Posted by: Rightwing || 08/19/2005 12:21 Comments || Top||

#5  but in other ocean basins, activity is slightly down.

In Western Australia we get an average of 3 Indian ocean cyclones (hurricanes) a year. In the last year we have had precisely none.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/19/2005 18:22 Comments || Top||

#6  There are tons of ironies surrounding hurricanes. One that impresses me is the effect of plankton blooms, that can increase surface water temperature by a degree or two over a wide area. This can raise a level 2 or 3 hurricane to a 4 or 5.

On the totally weird side, I heard a suggestion that a light, ultra-thin, refractive sheet could be deployed in space as a hurricane killer. It would not block sunlight, just refract it from such a distance away in space that it would have the same effect. A few square miles in area, it would drop water surface temperatures a few degrees in the direction of travel of the hurricane, in the late afternoon hours (think long shadows), and the temperature would stay down as the hurricane passed over the cooled area, strongly reducing its strength.

As a bonus, it could reduce surface water temperatures in a band around the Earth year round.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/19/2005 19:22 Comments || Top||

#7  T'aint it funny - the Enviros as a class ranked amongst the biggest supporters of the Clinton admin, then again for Gore, and later again as one of the biggest critics of Dubya's policies! How is it that well-credentialed, Left-beloved intellectuals/academics don't seem to be reading or scrutinizing any papers or books on the topic(s) they're protesting!?
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/19/2005 21:08 Comments || Top||

#8  Anonymoose,

"There are tons of ironies surrounding hurricanes. One that impresses me is the effect of plankton blooms, that can increase surface water temperature by a degree or two over a wide area. This can raise a level 2 or 3 hurricane to a 4 or 5."

No. You correlate unrelated things, or rather placing it in the linearity that simply is not there. Much of you say in the previous segment is based on mythology.

"I heard a suggestion that a light, ultra-thin, refractive sheet could be deployed in space as a hurricane killer."

We lack the proper volume of the space junk. Let's add some more...

"It would not block sunlight, just refract it from such a distance away in space that it would have the same effect."

Actually, it would probably create fireworks that you've never seen before. With a consequent destruction of the sheet. Same with "solar wind" sails.

"A few square miles in area, it would drop water surface temperatures a few degrees in the direction of travel of the hurricane, in the late afternoon hours (think long shadows), and the temperature would stay down as the hurricane passed over the cooled area, strongly reducing its strength."

This is based on the myth that huricanes are caused by temperature differentials. You are almost putting the cart before horse.

"As a bonus, it could reduce surface water temperatures in a band around the Earth year round."

Hahahaha! I like fairy tales for good night!
Posted by: Sobiesky || 08/19/2005 23:09 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
Swazi king drops sex-ban tassels
Swaziland's King Mswati III has ended a five-year sex ban he imposed on the kingdom's teenage girls a year early. The girls have had to wear large woollen tassels as a sign of their chastity since 2001. These are to be burnt in a huge ceremony on Tuesday.
"Yeeeeeehaaaaa! It's party time!"
The sex ban was imposed to fight the spread of HIV/Aids. Swaziland has one of the world's highest HIV infection rates, at almost 40% of the population. The king fined himself a cow for breaking the ban by marrying again. He took a 17-year-old girl as his ninth wife just two months after imposing the sex-ban in September 2001, sparking unprecedented protests by Swazi women outside the royal palace. No official reason has been given about why the sex ban was ended a year early. The BBC's Thulani Mthethwa in Swaziland says the ban was very unpopular with young Swazis.
Not getting any will do that
He says that few girls in urban areas wore the tassels, known as "umchwasho". Many were unhappy that King Mswati's daughters were rarely seen wearing the tassels. But our correspondent says that in rural areas, the tassels were common because the ban was enforced by local chiefs and some schools insisted that girls wore them to get a place. "I have it in command from his majesty to order all the national flowers [virgins] to converge on Ludzidzini [royal palace] on Sunday so that they can drop the woollen tassels on Monday," said a spokeswoman for Swaziland's girls, Nkhonto Dlamini, in a broadcast on national radio.
"Drop your tassels, baby! Mswati sez so!"
King Mswati now has 11 wives and two more fiancees. His late father, King Sobhuza II, who led the country to independence in 1968, had more than 70 wives when he died in 1982.
Posted by: Steve || 08/19/2005 08:40 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  King Mswati now has 11 wives and two more fiancees. His late father, King Sobhuza II, who led the country to independence in 1968, had more than 70 wives when he died in 1982.

It's GOOD to be the king!
Posted by: BH || 08/19/2005 10:18 Comments || Top||

#2  How lucky can King Mswati be? The No Teeny Sex ban getting dropped just as he marries a 17 year old. Praise Allan Sobhuza II.
Posted by: ed || 08/19/2005 10:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Damn.
Looks like the King is eyeing some nubile young virgins for his household.
He buys each wife a Mercedes limo. The local dealer must be rubbing his hands in glee.
Posted by: john || 08/19/2005 14:35 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Woman killed herself for marriage to elderly man
LAHORE: A woman committed suicide by swallowing poison in the Raiwind area on Thursday because her father had married her to an old man against her will. Noreen's father had married her to an aged man. On Wednesday, she had a scuffle with her father after which she swallowed poison. Family members rushed her to Jinnah Hospital where she died on Thursday. The body was returned to the family without an autopsy.
Posted by: Fred || 08/19/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  MAIDS WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG

An old man came courting me hey ding durum dow
An old man came courting me, me being young
An old man came courting me, fain would he marry me
Maids when you're young never wed an old man

Curfa Because he's got no falurum, fal diddle-i-urum
He's got no falurum, fal diddle fal day
He's got no falurum, he's lost his ding durum
Maids when you're young never wed an old man

When we went to church, hey ding durum dow
When we went to church, me being young
When we went to church he left me in the lurch
Maids when you're young never wed an old man
Curfa

When we went to bed, hey ding durum dow
When we went to bed, me being young
When we went to bed he lay like he was dead
Maids when you're young never wed an old man
Curfa

So I threw my leg over him, hey ding durum dow
I threw my leg over him, me being young
I threw my leg over him, damn near well smothered him
Maids when you're young never wed an old man
Curfa

When he went to sleep, hey ding durum dow
When he went to sleep me being young
When he went to sleep, out of bed I did creep
Into the arms of a handsome young man

And I found his falurum, fal diddle-i-urum
I found his falurum, fal diddle fal day
I found his falurum, he got my ding durum
Maids when you're young never wed an old man
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 08/19/2005 11:29 Comments || Top||

#2  I wish the girls would quit making this mistake. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT swallow poison. Instead give it to the old bastard to swallow, *and* to whoever it is forcing you to get married.

If a mere dozen women did this, that forced marriage bull crap would dry up overnight.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/19/2005 13:46 Comments || Top||


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Shuttle grounded until pigs have wings 2006
Parts which duplicate article posted by Shipman deleted.
NASA said Thursday it is pushing the next shuttle flight into 2006 to give engineers time to understand dangerous fuel-tank foam loss and to avoid the string of unrealistic launch dates that preceded Discovery's just-completed mission.

NASA's three remaining space shuttles are grounded as the agency investigates why a large, potentially catastrophic chunk of foam insulation broke off Discovery's fuel tank during liftoff last month — the same problem that doomed Columbia in 2003. Discovery's tank lost sizable pieces of foam from five areas, in fact.
Even My '77 Nova did better than that.
The space agency wants to understand and stop this kind of foam loss before the shuttle flies again. Bill Gerstenmaier, NASA's new space operations chief, said the next mission will not take place before March and will be carried out by Discovery. Atlantis was supposed to fly next, in September, but managers decided to switch spaceships so Atlantis can be ready for scrapping a heavy-lift space station assembly mission once Discovery returns.

All three external fuel tanks at Kennedy Space Center, meanwhile, will likely be returned to the manufacturing plant in New Orleans for repairs.

Both Griffin and Gerstenmaier said they will avoid setting multiple launch dates for the next mission. By the time Discovery blasted off July 26 on the first shuttle flight since the Columbia disaster, it had gone through 15 launch dates. Some safety improvements that could have been made were not because of the push to meet a launch date that was always just a few months away.

"That's why we're going out as far as March and giving ourselves what we hope is plenty of time to for people to forget the Shuttle even exists evaluate where we are," Griffin told reporters.
This is just depressing. My childhood heroes have feet of clay. Maybe the Chinese will colonize space. Americans won't.
Posted by: Jackal || 08/19/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Americans probably still will Jackal, you're just looking at the wrong ones. The NASA of the moonshots that so inspired kids like me (well, I was then!) is long long gone. This NASA is a bureaucratic nightmare, too afraid to take chances, to tell the American public what *risk* really means - ie people can die doing this stuff, and are too hampered by ridiculous legislation - one of the reasons the foam detached is because it doesn't use CFCs.

The people you want to look at are the Rutans, the people who were involved in the X-Prize and the newer prizes. Richard Branson is also in the frame too. Essentially, entrepreneurs - people who see an opportunity and just get things done.

Don't look to the Government for colonising space, the best thing they can do is to buy services from private firms.

Check out what Rand Simberg, Jerry Pournelle and others have to say on this - it's not all doom and gloom! :)
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 08/19/2005 6:51 Comments || Top||

#2  NASA said Thursday it is pushing the next shuttle flight into 2006 to give engineers time to understand dangerous fuel-tank foam loss and to avoid the string of unrealistic launch dates that preceded Discovery's just-completed mission.

The very first step in the process is to fire without pause any bureaucratic weenie who changed the formulation and who resists returning to the original formulation. We've had years to get back to it, so time is not an excuse. Off with their heads [the big or little one, fielders choice].
Posted by: Shomonter Threater9114 || 08/19/2005 8:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Looks like ima maybe have Oxford fren help me post. We'ent me.
Posted by: Grulet Ulinert8626 || 08/19/2005 9:51 Comments || Top||

#4  NASA said Thursday it is pushing the next shuttle flight into 2006 to give engineers time to understand dangerous fuel-tank foam loss and to avoid the string of unrealistic launch dates that preceded Discovery's just-completed mission.

These guys' collective heads are harder than diamonds.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 08/19/2005 10:47 Comments || Top||

#5  Time to finally privitize space exploration. NASA has been lost in space for decades.
Posted by: Captain America || 08/19/2005 13:44 Comments || Top||

#6  Here's a post by Jerry Pournelle on the shuttle.

Here's a really good comment;

What ought to have been done with NASA's billion and a half was: (1) Hire a dozen smart people to design a condom for the Shuttle Tank. Peter Glaskowsky and I discussed this last night: surely the right material for the condom would be America's Cup sailcloth which isn't a cloth but a reinforced carbon fiber film, as light as anything made for its strength. Make a condom of that, encase the tank in epoxy and that condom, and foam chunks won't fall off. It might weigh a few hundred pounds, and so what? (2) use the remaining funds -- a billion at least -- to pay a bunch of small companies out there to work on SSTO, recoverable first stage rocket boosters, and air drop. Get each to build the best X project flying hardware they can build incorporating their approach for the $333 million each will get. Fly those ships. Observe the results and decide which concepts to encourage.


It's all *there* to get people into space (also check out Whiskey Mikes comment today regarding nanotech sheets), we just need to (a) get the government out of deciding what happens in space and (b) let the private sector rip!
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 08/19/2005 16:53 Comments || Top||

#7  Tony real capitalism? You think Washington DC wants to allow real capitalism?
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 08/19/2005 17:19 Comments || Top||



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