Osama bin Laden now has religious approval to use a nuclear device against Americans, says the former head of the CIA unit charged with tracking down the Saudi terrorist. The former agent, Michael Scheuer, speaks to Steve Kroft in his first television interview without disguise to be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, Nov. 14th (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network....
Even if bin Laden had a nuclear weapon, he probably wouldn't have used it for a lack of proper religious authority - authority he has now. "[Bin Laden] secured from a Saudi sheik...a rather long treatise on the possibility of using nuclear weapons against the Americans," says Scheuer. "[The treatise] found that he was perfectly within his rights to use them. Muslims argue that the United States is responsible for millions of dead Muslims around the world, so reciprocity would mean you could kill millions of Americans," Scheuer tells Kroft.
Scheuer says bin Laden was criticized by some Muslims for the 9/11 attack because he killed so many people without enough warning and before offering to help convert them to Islam. But now bin Laden has addressed the American people and given fair warning. "They're intention is to end the war as soon as they can and to ratchet up the pain for the Americans until we get out of their region....If they acquire the weapon, they will use it, whether it's chemical, biological or some sort of nuclear weapon," says Scheuer
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I wonder if Scheuer is aware that the Al Qaeda fatwa committee ruled it permissible to use a fissile weapon on the West more that a decade ago? This led to an AQ effort which began in 1993 to purchase material from South Africa.
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Nothing new here, with fatwas being a dime a dozen and muslim logic conveniently able to justify anything involving killing infidels. Just a public reminder of the sort of people we are up against.
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but until it's on 60 Minutes, it's not...er....true? Oh, wait. Nevermind
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Find the Imam that issued this, and be sure he is found dead, .22 cal aneurysm in the back part of his brain. Make an example of him. As for others like this? Lather rinse repeat.
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..If this is the level of skill - and credulity - that we are fighting with, God help us. This man is an ass if he believes for one moment that OBL would have restrained his use of a nuclear weapon because he lacked 'religious authority'. There is at least some thought that OBL considers (or considered) himself the Mahdi, and even if he did not, he would have found some line in the Koran, or inscribed on the Kaaba, or on the back of a box of Rice Krispies if necessary to justify it.
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Ooooh! New Fruity Fatwas for breakfast. With a different fatwa on every box. Read for entertainment while you eat these tasty moose-limb nuggets.
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OldSpook,
I totaly agree with you.
One of the most fundamental problems of secular democratic regimes is their reluctance to target so called "religious leaders" because they fear the seething Arab street(TM). This is exactly their greatest weakness because they target the mere executioners instead of the real bad guys who incite and use their religious authority to spawn, educate,support, and give moral justification to the killers while at the same time enjoying immunity as "spiritual leaders".
IMHO, every Moslem spiritual leader (including ,but not limited to, Mullahs, Sheiks, Kady's or other Sharia Experts) who issues a Fatwa for killing or otherwise harming any other person should be automatically inserted in a black list for summary treatment by whatever means available (including Army, Police, CIA, FBI, Mossad, etc.). These guys should then be incarcerated and brought to justice before a secular Judge.
After 50% of the shitheads are brought to justice
or put away in prisons, the others will automatically loose their appetites for issuing Fatwas.
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Where's Atom Ant Al-Jubeir on TV, telling us how the Saooodis are our amigos?
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I sent a long email to "president@whitehouse.gov" back about two years ago, telling George he needed to go on national television and declare a Baptist fatwa against the use of nukes against US forces or territory. It was a short fatwa: "If a nuclear weapon is detonated within the United States, or against US forces in Iraq or Afghanistan, the following 269 cities will disappear from the face of the earth exactly five hours after such detonation." The top names on the list were Mecca, Medina, Riyadh, Damascus, Cairo, Aswan, Tehran, and down the line, ending in Casablanca and Rabat. No city in any nation under Islamic law was spared.
Even OBL wouldn't want 95% of all Arab muslims wiped out - he'd have no power base to operate from.
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#4 Find the Imam that issued this, and be sure he is found dead, .22 cal aneurysm in the back part of his brain. Make an example of him. As for others like this? Lather rinse repeat.
Well said, Old Spook. All I have to add is that Saudi Arabia should be put on formal notice that if they refuse to prosecute those within their borders who advocate nuclear terrorism, the entire country will become a reprisal target should such an attack be waged ... successful or not.
NO-FUCKING-BODY OR COUNTRY GETS AWAY WITH BLESSING A TERRORIST NUCLEAR ATTACK AGAINST AMERICA WITHOUT SUFFERING THE CONSEQUENCES.
Again, whichever Imam who sanctified bin Laden's intention of attacking America with nuclear weapons is an enemy of the state. Similarly, countries that allow such conduct to go unpunished are enemies as well.
Sanction with extreme prejudice is the only appropriate solution. Lead for the individuals who promote such evil, untransmuted lead for the countries who engage in same.
This Imam is a prime example of exactly who should be a candidate for America's wetwork roster. Maggots like this must be ground under our boot heel until they squirm no more.
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I, JFM, imam of the Rantburg religion, issue a fatwa authorizing George W Bush and his successors to nuke Mecca, Medina, Quom and any other city under Muslim law in case the Islamists use WMDs of any kind on a non-Muslim city.
Clarification: In theory there are no clerics in Sunni Islam (not true in Shia Islam). There are only people who lead the prayer and their special status lasts only for the duration of the prayer. Ie any clown Mahmoud or village idiot Ali can proclaim himself Imam and issue fatwas. Two can play at this game.
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The biggest threat here is not OBL or a nuke but this guy Scheuer. He is a loose cannon and treasonable in his work as a critic of American (thats what it is when the people elect a President) policy while still at the CIA. Imperial Hubris, indeed. More like Disgruntled Bullshit. Why Bush has let this guy go off like that makes me wonder about how well we are served by the CIA. What has it ever done since Church emaciated it? Did it stop 911. Did it give good G2 to the President on Iraq? Hell no. And this is the idiot with a hard-on who is now talking to 60 minutes as if he is as smart as Richard Clarke. Well if this is the best (Scheuer and Clarke) we could come up with to protect us pre-post 911 then we are really F**ked.
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Jack - don't forget the CIA's complete failure to spot the collapse of the Soviet Empire. And Baer and Gerecht are scathing about the complete absence of CIA assets in the middle east.
President Enrique Bolanos told U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld Friday that Nicaragua would completely eliminate a stockpile of hundreds of surface-to-air missiles with no expectation of compensation from the United States. Bolanos said the anti-aircraft missiles would be destroyed within a year-and-a-half.
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These are already 15 years old. What's the shelf life?
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Stingers are quoted with a shelf life of 10 years. Propellant degradation. But that number is like milk's Best Before Date and does not mean the missile won't work, especially if stored carefully. Also the batteries have to be replaced, but that's not so hard to jury rig.
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I think we oughta send a few $$ (Or build them some infrastructure) as a reward for doing the right thing.
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Oldspook if they had money for missiles then the have money too build their own infrastructure. W e have plenty of stuff too spend taxpayer money on in America.
Russia may intervene in Georgia's breakaway province of Abkhazia to protect its interests there, if a post- election crisis escalates further. In response, Georgia has called on the international community to protect the country's sovereignty. A decade-long row between Georgia and Russia over Abkhazia is getting worse. One person is reported to have died in clashes on Friday between government and opposition supporters in the Abkhaz regional capital Sukhumi. Moscow has accused the opposition in Abkhazia of attempting to overthrow the Russian-backed government and has pledged to intervene if the crisis isn't resolved. Georgia has responded angrily, accusing Moscow of violating Georgia's sovereignty with unacceptable statements. Time to see whether the rest of the world will let the Soviet Union be reformed over the bones and ashes of Georgia. Georgia of the early 21st century is in the position of Czechoslovakia in the 1930s.
Thousands of supporters of Abkhazia's opposition presidential candidate briefly seized the office of the outgoing leader Friday as tensions again spiked in the breakaway Georgian region nearly six weeks after a disputed — and still unresolved — election. Demonstrators supporting Sergei Bagapsh, who has claimed victory in the Oct. 3 election, stormed the headquarters of outgoing President Vladislav Ardzinba in the province's main city, Sukhumi, and occupied it for several hours. Russian television showed people waving Abkhazian flags from the windows and armed men celebrating with champagne and vodka in Ardzinba's office. Scattered fistfights were seen breaking out in the hallways. One man retreated in fear as a half-dozen others clawed at his clothing. Several people were reported injured. A woman who was wounded by a ricocheting bullet shot by guards at the building later died, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported, and several people received minor injuries.
... and a wonderful time was had by all, except for the dead lady.
Ardzinba, who is sick, was at home when the seizure occurred.
"Wudn't me. I wuz sick."
The protesters cleared the building after Bagapsh, accompanied by his rival, Raul Khadzhimba, asked them to leave. Bagapsh told the crowd that Khadzhimba could join his government. "Khadzhimba was with me to prevent a confrontation, and together we calmed people down," Bagapsh told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. Bagapsh said that up to 20,000 of his supporters gathered near the parliament building, while a pro-Khadzhimba rally only drew several hundred people.
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Just in time for the Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Abkhazia DVD release!
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Damn...my wife and I were just IN Abkhazia, and seriously considered taking it over. But then my wife commented on how tough it would be to keep it clean and tidy, and then pointed out that "with the kids heading off to college, do we really NEED this much space?".
I realized she was right, and so we came on home. Still, heckuva coincidence!
The U.S. government is preparing to smuggle tiny radios into North Korea as part of a newly financed program to break down the country's isolation. For the next four years, Washington will spend up to $2 million annually to boost radio broadcasts toward North Korea and infiltrate mini-radios across its borders. North Korea, probably the most isolated country in the world, has only radios that are rigged to capture broadcasts lionizing the nation's Stalinist leadership. The broadcasts also blare from outdoor loudspeakers. The American plan to smuggle small radios into North Korea is outlined in the North Korean Human Rights Act, which President Bush signed into law Oct. 18. The sweeping act provides money to private humanitarian groups to assist defectors, extends refugee status to fleeing North Koreans and sets in motion a plan to boost broadcasts to North Korea and get receivers into the country. North Korea's Kim Jong Il regime says the tiny radios will air "rotten imperialist reactionary culture" to undermine the country... Britney Shpears?
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good idea, but why isn't there a bigger push for a Radio-Free Iran - broadcasting on many channels, and overcoming the jamming (Cuba can't jam a broadcast from Iraq)
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All is not lost for Kimmie, though, the radios will also receive NPR and the BBC.
More flying spittle than sitting in the orchestra seats at a Gallagher show. Get out your plastic sheeting and duct tape.
Songun politics of the Workers' Party of Korea is an invincible mode of politics combining armed forces with revolutionary comradeship, declares Rodong Sinmun in a signed article today.
It goes on: The source of the might of a revolutionary army lies in political and ideological advantages and what is most important here is the unity of the armed forces based on revolutionary comradeship. The Korean revolution was pioneered and has been victoriously led forward by the might of the armed forces closely united in revolutionary comradeship. The combination of the armed forces with revolutionary comradeship is growing tighter and is displaying its invincible might in the revolution and construction thanks to the Songun politics of the WPK.
The Korean People's Army firmly rallied around Kim Jong Il, supreme commander of the KPA, in revolutionary comradeship is struggling devotedly for defense and prosperity of the country and its commanders and fighters united in one body are carrying through the orders of the supreme commander with all devotion. The KPA is one body of common destiny sharing will and life and death with the headquarters of revolution. It is ruled not by simple relations of order and obedience but by the ties of love and sense of duty and it is overflowing with the resolution to lay down its life for the headquarters of revolution. This is entirely a shining fruition of the Songun politics of the WPK.
Mmmmm...fruit.
No force on earth can match the might of the People's Army united in one body around the headquarters of revolution with death-defying resolution. Under the Songun politics of Kim Jong Il, the might of the People's Army will increase further still day by day, grow a hundred-fold. Korean-style socialism in which oneness of the army and the people in ideology and fighting morale has been definitely achieved will make a steadfast advance without vacillation in any raging storm.
I'd like to think this makes more sense in the original Korean, but my guess is, it doesn't. Did anyone see where I put the Sledge-O-Matic?
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what's this "united in one body" stuff--i thought that arianism was outlawed by theodosius 1 at the council of nicaea in 325 ad
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Good spittle spray, lots o songun, no lake of fire, no direct mention of Juche or white slag, a good positive theme stressing unity.
I give it a smiling 7, for old times sake.
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where are they hiding ol' Giant Juche Guy⢠from the picture? He's as big as Godzilla! What are those rockets he's smashing the Capitol with? Saturn V's? Jeebus! We're in trouble....
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No Frank those are -er- well -uh- lets just say he is compensating for something and leave it at that ok???
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This is self-justifying spittle, not anti-US spittle, so I can't rate it. Lame, lame, lame.
(Sorry to quibble SON - Arianism was the doctrine that Jesus was not God, but a lesser divine being, and Nicea was under Constantine.)
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Does somebody actually write this stuff, or do the North Koreans have a simple computer program to string the words together... Revolution death-defying resolution Songun People's Army hundred-fold style socialism oneness army ideology steadfast advance raging storm.
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I fell in to a burning Sea of FireTM...
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How does one tell any particular NK article from any other? Just by the order of words? 'cause the words used NEVER changes, only the order.
I've been waiting for the weep pieces to start coming out. The idea is that the original corpse or corpses are forgotten in the caterwauling about the injustice of it all...
The Muslim woman adjusted her head scarf and gazed wearily at her daughters' elementary school Friday, one of many Islamic sites attacked since a Muslim radical allegedly murdered a Dutch filmmaker who criticized Islam. An explosion earlier in the week not only shattered windows and doors it damaged the Muslim community's faith in the tolerance of their neighbors.
Funny thing, that: having a prominent Dutchman slaughtered like an animal in the street by somebody named Mohammad had the same effect on the Dutchies...
One mother said the attack made her afraid.
Not half as afraid as van Gogh was there at the last...
"I always thought the Netherlands was the safest place in the whole world, but if you see all that's happening, I don't know anymore," said the woman, who didn't want to be quoted by name for fear of reprisals. "I didn't know what to tell my daughter. She asked me: `Mommy, why us? All we did was go to school.'"
Because Cousin Mohammad decided to slaughter infidels and declare holy war in your name? Could that be it? Think real hard, now...
In Amsterdam, meanwhile, Queen Beatrix made her first public appearance since the slaying of Theo van Gogh and sought to assuage Muslims' anxieties by reaching out to Islamic youths. One woman who met the monarch, 26-year-old Naziha Daoudi, said she had not felt safe on the streets since the Nov. 2 killing. "We have to watch a lot of Dutch people watching us like we're criminals," said Daoudi, who works at the Argan Moroccan youth center. "The Dutch community doesn't know much about Islam. They think (Muslims) are all the same."
I'd venture to say they think some are homicidal maniacs. The problem is that they don't have "krazed killer" tatooed on their foreheads. All they have is the occasional turban...
The arrest of Muslim militant Mohammed Bouyeri, 26, as the main suspect in the killing has been followed by what seems to be a cycle of retaliation between Christian and Muslim extremists. A half-dozen arson attacks on Muslim buildings were answered by fire bombings that caused minor damage at churches in Rotterdam, Utrecht and Amersfoort. After Monday's pre-dawn attack on the Islamic school in this sprawling southern industrial city of 200,000 people, another Muslim school was gutted by fire in the town of Uden. On Wednesday, Dutch youths brawled with Turks and Moroccans in the first direct ethnic confrontation since Van Gogh's murder. For Muslims, the conservative government's reaction to the slaying has been almost as disturbing as the violence: Officials have moved swiftly to tighten controls on the nation's Islamic minority. On Friday, parliament asked the government to draft legislation that would compel Dutch mosques to employ only imams who have studied Islam in the Netherlands. Legislators are also considering laws that would enable the closure of mosques that spread non-Dutch values.
Yeah. You can't get much more disturbing than that if you own a turban, can you?
Don't they have a good sedition law they can use for just such occasions?
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Dutch Muslims Fear Backlash From Murder -- a fine lesson in "actions and attitudes have consequences".
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Churches are also set on fire, it's the beginning of a conflict that will get a lot worse....
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What is it with Royals? Have they started thinking they are there for the downtrodden? How do they think they got their jobs?
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"The Dutch community doesn't know much about Islam. They think (Muslims) are all the same."
Then SPEAK UP against these barbaric acts, you idiot. Get everybody that agrees together, and prove that you don't support extremism. Otherwise, your silence will be interpreted as having sympathies with the killers. This is not the Middle East; this is T-H-E W-E-S-T, and this is how things work here. You basically have freedom of speech, so USE IT.
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911. 311. Beslam, etc., etc., etc. Excuse me but you have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what happens to the Muslims in Holland. The Muslims have been making their bed in this world--they will have to lay in it or go on to the next.
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The Muslims, it appears view Cause and Effect on opposite sides of a deep and wide canyon. If they do not get the connection soon, their act will be cleaned up for them, in a very ugly fashion. Ah, the joys of multiculturalism. Nice experiment, doesn't work.
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lessons need to be delivered to the hate-mongers preaching from the Moskkks - without them it's just an empty building. Set an evil turban or two on fire and see if that learns em
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After Monday's pre-dawn attack on the Islamic school in this sprawling southern industrial city of 200,000 people, another Muslim school was gutted by fire in the town of Uden.
Ya know? The Dutch just may be on to something here. Burn down several Islamic institutions for every Dutch non-Moslem killed. Kill enough non-Islamic Dutch citizens and, wallah!, no more mosques or Islamic "schools" to spread jihadism. Sort of makes the whole issue into a self-correcting problem, doesn't it?
I can only wonder if Islam as a whole will ever catch on about how this is what awaits their refusal to abandon violent jihad. If each life taken by terrorists resulted in a mosque being demolished, I'd wager moderate Muslims might become a wee bit more vocal about the slaughter of innocents by their radical brethern. Should they fail to make any hue or cry about the constant killing, they would just as quickly no longer have any places from which to launch their propaganda and attacks.
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Time will tell what the reaction amongst the Netherlands' 4.5% Muslim minority will be. My guess is there are a fair few planning to avenge this destruction of property, murderously if possible. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Islamic hotheads decide to raise the stakes still further, especially if mosque and school burnings continue at a trickle. Nor would I be surprised if foreign Muslims rushed to join the fight from, say, France and Belgium. An intra-European jihad with violence spreading across borders. Interesting times ahead.
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An intra-European jihad with violence spreading across borders => a new wave of decent, hardworking, normal, tolerant Europeans appalled by their societies' failure and emigrating to a truly tolerant and pluralist, peaceful society, the USA. Seen it dozens of times before. Good for us, catastrophic for Europe.
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Somebody's got to cover my social security checks and it sure won't be Mexicans.
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Bar, Kalle: You guys are wasting your breath. This is part of their operations. Commit atrocities against the infidel, then cower preemptively to take advantage of their humanity weakness.
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We should do everything in our power to encourage mass emigration by Europe's well-educated strivers. Immediate US citizenship for any European citizen with a hard science PhD who passes a security clearance.
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Giving final notice is not wasting breath. If by the end of next year nothing has radically changed in Moslem communities across the world (such as helping us find and kill the Islamofascists), they'll wish 9/11 had never happened.
Serving such notice is the least we can do, as decent human beings.
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Good for you,
have you finished it outside Europe ?
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Nope. Never allowed to finish, and gave up on it. Went to the Swiss Supreme Court, won a Pyrrhic victory against the school and professors. That was 10 years ago.
I figured I valued more what I had studied and created (for my consequent business) than an academic piece of paper. Never desired to teach in academia again.
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Cause meets effect. How come they keep thinking they can turn on the meat grinder, without eventually getting personal with it? Oops - forgot the laws of physics and f*ups do not apply to Allen's ... yeah, sure.
Aaron Brown's snide shot of the day. Upon pointing out a photo in Stars and Stripes of some soldiers in Iraq who had earned Purple Hearts, during his Wednesday night "Morning Papers" segment on CNN's NewsNight, Brown sarcastically remarked: "Some day, one of them will run for President and someone will say they didn't earn the Purple Heart. Welcome to America..."
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How the F' do they expect to regain power with this mindless lashing out?
Well, no doubt they believe we'll all forget it in a year or two. After all, we're all just a bunch of rednecks and morons. No where near as sophisticated as the likes of Aaron Brown, who would probably swear that everything the Swifties said was a lie but be completely at a loss to actually cite any refutations of their claims. Or, for that matter, their claims themselves.
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Maybe he needs a visit from a NYPD broomstick? But then again, he might like that. Just be sure to share these things with your friends and families. Make the 2006 and 2008 elections an even bigger buttstomping for the Dhimmies.
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Brown's like all the other LLL poseurs who pretend to care about the troops - when they'd rather seem them piled high for political gain... the farce dissolves when it suits them.
These kids go back on-line when they're ripped by real schrapnel - not rice.
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"Some day, one of them will run for President and someone will say they didnât earn the Purple Heart. Welcome to America..."
Aaron Brown wins the Daily Dolt Award, as he misses a much, MUCH bigger point altogether: in the not-too-distant future there are going to be a *LOT* of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who will go into politics, both local and national.
And I don't think very many of them are going to run as Democrats-- not after what they've seen in this election.
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Aaron Brown is one of the stupidest members of the TV journo-moron brigade. If the broadcast networks were to take any of the 20 most popular bloggers at random-- even the lefty bloggers like Kos or Marshall-- they would get an individual who's at least twice as intelligent as any of the well-groomed shitheads they serve up.
Michael Scheuer, the author and former chief of the CIA's Osama bin Laden unit, announced yesterday that he had resigned from the agency so he could speak openly about terrorism and what he sees as the government's failure to understand the threat from al Qaeda. "I have concluded that there has not been adequate national debate over the nature of the threat posed by Osama bin Laden and the force he leads and inspires, and the nature of the intelligence reform needed to address that threat," Scheuer, whom the CIA banned from speaking publicly in July, said in a statement issued by his publisher.
The agency allowed Scheuer to publish his book, "Imperial Hubris," anonymously, and to conduct media interviews to promote it under the name "Mike." The book became a bestseller. But he became a critic of the war in Iraq, saying it inflamed anti-American sentiment among Muslims, and eventually his name was published. After some White House officials and pundits asserted that the CIA had allowed Scheuer to act as its surrogate critic on the war, CIA officials forbade him from speaking publicly.
Scheuer said in an interview with The Washington Post on Monday that he believes the agency silenced him after CIA officials realized he was blaming the CIA, not the administration, for mishandling terrorism. "As long as the book was being used to bash the president, they gave me carte blanche to talk to the media," he said. "But this is a story about the failure of the bureaucracy to support policymakers." The statement, issued in the name of Scheuer's publicist, Christina Davidson, said Scheuer criticized the CIA leadership for allowing "the clandestine service to be scapegoated for pre-9-11 failures -- failure more properly placed at the door of senior members of the U.S. intelligence community and senior policymakers, for whom, in Scheuer's view, saving lives has seldom appeared to be the top priority." The statement released by his publicist said that "after a cordial meeting with senior CIA officials on Tuesday, Scheuer decided that it would be in the best interests of the intelligence community and the country for him to resign in order to continue speaking publicly with regard to Osama Bin Laden, al Qaeda, and the 9-11 Commission Report."
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When intelligence officers have publicists, the agency has a problem.
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It's troublesome when the Washington Post acts as the outlet for disgruntled spooks during a time of necessary change.
Goss has a tough job ahead.
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check out wapo today--big leak by company weenies about how they can't get along with goss's underlings--they suck--when you read bob baer's books you realize how ineffectual and risk averse the spook operations culture is--let's cry seethe and quit--they were feckless ninnies--btw whatever happened to phillip agee--should be a floater
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Let me guess - he's not headed for Leavenworth, he's going on the lecture circuit.
This paragraph says it all: "Scheuer said in an interview with The Washington Post on Monday that he believes the agency silenced him after CIA officials realized he was blaming the CIA, not the administration, for mishandling terrorism. 'As long as the book was being used to bash the president, they gave me carte blanche to talk to the media,' he said. 'But this is a story about the failure of the bureaucracy to support policymakers.'"
CIA mgmnt and assholes like Scheuer deserve time in the hole or a bullet in the head. It's called sedition.
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He's supposed to be on "60 Minutes" tomorrow night.
Though given all the heads that Goss seems to be rolling, they should have enough material for years on end by the time he's done ...
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Thanks, Dan - that would, indeed, be the first stop for a dedicated Camelot II Klintoony... sans justice and living up to one's oath and obligations, something his ilk doesn't fathom.
And, amongst the ex and soon to be ex CIA employees, I'll bet there are some excellent sad puppy, lost kitten, and dead baby duck tear-jerkers to come, too. SeeBS's 60 Minutes is the Jerry Springer of MSM "news" shows - so they'll be interviewing and digging, looking for whatever they can spin into a hit piece.
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According to a few friends of mine, there is some serious housecleaning going on in the CIA. Several entire directorates left over from the 50's are being eliminated (why do we still need a directorate to keep track of Greek communists, for instance), and dozens are being reorganized. Expect a LOT of whining and carrying on. Most of my friends are in NIMA, or whatever it's been renamed to this time, but they keep their ears open. Blood will continue to flow inside the Langley building for months to come.
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(why do we still need a directorate to keep track of Greek communists, for instance)
So we'll know what Aris is up to?
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NIMA? Home of Dirk Pitt? oops - that's NUMA, and fictional
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What TGA said. Ridiculous to think that we're still heavy with blue-eyed fair-skinned spooks when all of our security challenges come from the near and far east and when we have a deep and broad talent pool comprising thousands of brilliant, dedicated young asian-americans.
Get rid of all those Leverett "Buzzy" Saltonstall jokers and start recruiting asian-americans at MIT, CalTech, Berkeley etc. Thousands of these superbly talented kids are heading into Wall Street and Silicon Valley and the top business schools each year, and almost none end up in Foggy Bottom or Langley. Long past time that our foreign policy establishment started mining this reserve of talent.
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I think they try to recruit them there but the pay just isn't competitive.
Of course nobody gets into the CIA just for the pay but if you want to attract the best you need to offer them somewhat more than the standard fare.
The CIA probably needs a lot less people than in the Cold War but it needs the best.
But with the current image it won't attract them. And many of those it attracts are put off by the bureaucratic ways of recruiting. FRom what I heard it takes about 2 years from the "first contact" to a full employment. Most smart people will have a well paid job by then.
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TGA - pt made PLUS - you have to pay them well enough to not allow them to be susceptible to outside whiles
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That too... Of course loyalty is always an issue with muslims. This means you need to start with education. Encourage and finance Oriental studies. Let a bright non-muslim woman or man study Middle Eastern Languages for free at an excellent college and take over from there.
How many non muslim people perfect in Arabic (let alone the dialects) does the CIA (and the FBI) have.
I bet it's a short list.
#2
It would be interesting to hear the author explain why the Koran makes Mary the daughter of Aaron and why the Koran seems to confuse Jesus and Easa.
And the purge goes on ...
The deputy director of the CIA resigned yesterday after a series of confrontations over the past week between senior operations officials and CIA Director Porter J. Goss's new chief of staff that have left the agency in turmoil, according to several current and former CIA officials. The former soon to be joining the latter ...
John E. McLaughlin, a 32-year CIA veteran who was acting director for two months this summer until Goss took over, resigned after warning Goss that his top aide, former Capitol Hill staff member Patrick Murray, was treating senior officials disrespectfully and risked widespread resignations, the officials said. Yesterday, the agency official who oversees foreign operations, Deputy Director of Operations Stephen R. Kappes, tendered his resignation after a confrontation with Murray. Goss and the White House pleaded with Kappes to reconsider and he agreed to delay his decision until Monday, the officials said.
Several other senior clandestine service officers are threatening to leave, current and former agency officials said. "It's the worst roiling I've ever heard of," said one former senior official with knowledge of the events. "There's confusion throughout the ranks and an extraordinary loss of morale and incentive." Current and retired senior managers have criticized Goss, former chairman of the House intelligence committee, for not interacting with senior managers and for giving Murray too much authority over day-to-day operations. Murray was Goss's chief of staff on the intelligence committee.
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When a dynfunctional bureaucracy squeals like a proverbial stuck pig, the right people are probably in charge. Faster please.
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If McLaughlin was a happy Tenet guy, then he should be gone. Same for the rest who've been voyeurs and hand-wringers. I'd go through the files of those who resigned during the Clinton era, were disciplined by Tenet, fired by Tenet, resigned and request exit interviews to clear their consciences, etc. There will be some jewels in that lot... hard chargers and hard-ballers that we need. Recover all the experienced people we can who did not fit or were passed over during the feel good era. We need cold-blooded people up to the task of a war.
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If the way you purge the CIA is "treating senior officials disrespectfully" those senior officials probably don't belong at the CIA. They should peddle their fragile f'n egos to KBR. Almost makes one respect the KGB.
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many of those being treated disrespectfully should've tendered their resignations already and are just getting the message less diplomatically. Deadwood makes terrific tinder
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Michael V. Kostiw, who was Gossâs first choice for executive director â the agencyâs third-ranking official â withdrew his name after The Washington Post reported that he had left the agency 20 years ago after having been arrested for stealing a package of bacon.
What the fuck? What is this, the Caine Mutiny?
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Seems to me that the people that are leaving the agency are those that think that they are the ones that should make policy. They have become so self-centered that they can not accept any direction from above. I have always said that my loyality is to the man that signs my paycheck. That does not mean that I won't argue with him on technical grounds that are within my area of expertise. I will accept his direction as to the scope of work and not feel that I am belittled by it. These people can't be divas who walk off the stage in a snit because they were furnished with Evian instead of Perrier. So goodbye and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
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Seems I remember that after 9/11, the numbers of new recruits/trainees were up. With these removal, plenty of places for new folks, with new thoughts, and open to different/new techniques. And they have the memory of 9/11 as a reason for serving.
These are the same generation as those Marines, soldiers, airmen and seamen now serving. Bet they will be great! Let's hope they are allowed to do their jobs.
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Hosuecleaning? Hell, this agency should have been shut down years ago. Botched the fall of the Soviet Empire, botched 9/11, no real assets in the middle east.... Best to start over with new blood. Or at least purge the top ranks.
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I believe Old Spook, Fred, and I all have similar experiences, and quite a bit of it dealing with the CIA. My personal experience is that the mid-ranks and lower ranks were filled with sharp, dedicated people. I still turn down a yearly request to join one of my former bosses in Washington. I hate the town, and won't go back. If they moved the CIA to Colorado Springs, I'd join Chuck in a heartbeat, but I won't hold my breath for that to happen.
The biggest problem with the CIA is that it's in (or near) Washington, and politics plays a major role in EVERYTHING in that city. Politics interferes heavily in the operation of a spook outfit, regardless of who's in charge. Until they can eliminate (or at least reduce) the politics in our intelligence agencies (it's there everywhere), we won't have the kind of intelligence we really need in war. Putting Goss in charge of the CIA was a necessary first step. Now the President needs to show he's really the boss, and start cleaning house elsewhere. ALL the Clinton appointees need to be purged, from every office, at every level of government. Their entire job was to politicize the office they held, and make sure it supported the Democratic Party line, regardless of the needs of our nation.
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"Itâs the worst roiling Iâve ever heard of," said one former senior official with knowledge of the events. "Thereâs confusion throughout the ranks and an extraordinary loss of morale and incentive."
And that's just because they couldn't keep Bush from being re-elected!
(Hmmm... interesting rumor to plant: Moore is an agent of a rogue, anti-democracy element in the CIA. His role has been to create and popularize propaganda intended to damage confidence in the Constitutional system.)
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"...competence will go down"
Suprised by Soviet collapse.
Was completely wrong on Soviet economy.
Couldn't identify a Chinese Embassy.
Still can't be sure if plant in Sudan was bio/chem weapons lab.
Claimed couldn't infiltrate Al-Q when British jaibirds and US teens had no problem getting recruited.
Completely missed Oil for food scandal.
Missed how Oil for food money was buying off French and Russians.
Had no idea of status of Saddam's weapons programs.
Can't tell us if N.Korea has nukes or not.
Didn't know how far Libya had progressed on nukes.
Didn't know about the Pakistani nuke-knowledge pipeline.
Had no clue as to Saddam's plan to fight guerilla war after defeat.
Couldn't find Saddam.
Can't find Osama.
Can't find Zarawi.
9/11.
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Hezbollah seems to have discovered an absolutely ducky way to nudge the Israelis into bombing the crap out of them...
he chief of Hezbollah said yesterday that the Shiite Muslim movement possessed drones that can carry explosives to strike targets deep inside Israel if the Jewish state attacks Lebanon. "I confirm what the Israeli chief of staff has said, Mirsad I can carry explosives of about 40 and 50 kilograms (around 100 pounds)," Hezbollah chief Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah told a rally marking Jerusalem Day in Baalbek, eastern Lebanon. "It does not have the capacity of only reaching Nahariya (in northern Israel), but deeper and deeper, against electricity and water installations and military bases," he said in the Hezbollah stronghold.
The Israelis, of course, are expected to sit around scratching their yarmulkes and saying things like "What are we going to do now, Moshe?"
Nasrallah said "Israel monitors Lebanon from the air to aggress it, and we can monitor bases, airports, settlements, installations and the infrastructure in northern Palestine (Israel) in order to defend our country." Nasrallah said Hezbollah's first flight over Israel to the Mediterranean town of Nahariya lasted 14 minutes. "At first, we did not use Mirsad I for a military action, but to confront the violations. But if our country faces aggression, we will use any means and capability that we possess," he warned. "We do not only have the capacity of confronting violations of (Lebanese) airspace, but we also have the capacity to respond to any aerial aggression or any kind of action from the air," he added. "We do not just have one plane, we have enough of them, and we have the capability of building as many planes as we need."
"... at least until the carpet bombing begins. Then we'll holler for the UN and the EU to make it stop."
Nasrallah said Mirsad I was built by Hezbollah experts, and not by Iranian expertise as claimed by Israeli military officials. "Hezbollah has been working on Mirsad I for years, and it has been made by engineers from the Islamic Resistance (Hezbollah's military wing) who are now developing it," he said. "It is a surveillance plane made from technology that can be purchased at exhibitions," he said. "We do not need anybody's help in that sector," he added.
Iran, on the other hand, sez it gave Hezbollah eight drones and taught them to use them. But we all know how they lie. They just want to take the credit for this incredible military success for themselves...
The United Nations, which repeatedly denounces Israeli violations of Lebanese airspace, said the incursion by the Hezbollah drone had been followed by violations of Lebanese airspace by five Israeli warplanes and condemned both. Lebanese Information Minister Elie Ferzli justified the drone flights, saying Hezbollah had "turned to this method because international protests have not succeeded in putting an end to Israeli violations of Lebanese airspace." And Lebanese Foreign Minister Mahmoud Hammoud said he was "surprised that Israel should express such concern when its planes violate Lebanese airspace all the time".
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If Israel needs to violate Lebanese air space they will do it at will, They won't use drones. This is propaganda for local consumption.
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I think the hiz missed the point of drones. You gotta like the strategy behind using a drone to carry 40 kilo of explosives at 40 mph has opposed to a FROG carrying 200 kilo at 2000 mph, all in all brilliant.
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The Israeli Air Force can hit Hezbollah anywhere in Lebenon and Syria. Guys if you don't see the difference then maybe you deserve to be bombed into extinction.
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Oh, yes, that's what you want, Israelis thrusting north into Lebanon while Americans thrust westward from Iraq into Syria in hot pursuit of the foreign invaders based there. Is Hezbollah working on the 2005 Darwin Award?
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Hizballah better cool off or
they will look like this.
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"Hezbollah sez:
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Isreal needs to buzz Assad's pad again.This time they should use five jets,not two.
Interesting perspective on Syria from a Kurdish news site.
... Meanwhile, the US-led military intervention in neighboring Iraq has also dealt yet another painful blow to the Syrian economy. The sanctions recently imposed against Damascus by the US government appear to be having little impact, yet each financial setback is one too many for a large number of Syrians who are barely managing to keep their heads above water. "Do you know what heaven is? It's a German car, a Swedish woman and an American salary." Tman (28) is sitting in a restaurant in the Syrian capital, Damascus. He's unemployed — just like an estimated 20 percent of his fellow Syrians — but can appreciate the joke about Syria's current economic malaise. "And do you know what hell is? A Japanese car, an American woman and a Syrian salary." The joke itself has become something of a classic, which can be heard being retold all over the city.
The average salary here is around 100 US dollars a month. That's barely enough to survive on in Syria. Tman's girlfriend, Riem, does have work, in fact she's holding down two jobs. During the day she works for a telecom business and, in the evenings, she gives private lessons in Arabic. This gives her a total of about 120 dollars a month, enough for her to treat her boyfriend to a waterpipe, which they're both smoking here in the restaurant.
Days of the Soviet Union
The restaurant itself is reminiscent of similar places in Europe's former East Bloc. It's grey, uninviting, the ceilings stained by years of smoke, an uninspired chef and too many — disinterested — waiters with too few customers to serve. Restaurants like this are not the only things in Syria which bring back memories of Europe's Soviet era. Syria still has a centrally managed economy based on the model of its one-time ally and financial backer. The central government controls the banks and insurance companies, as well as all the country's major companies. The civil service is slow and corrupt to boot.
An artificial economy that'll be in danger of collapsing almost without warning...
Iran's negotiations with the European Union over a deal which would spare Tehran from possible U.N. sanctions are in their final stages, Iran's Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi says. "Negotiations with Europe were intense and important and ... they are in their final stages," Kharrazi told state television on Saturday. "We have given them our final response and await their final decision and we hope to pass this stage smoothly."
Iran and the European Union's big three powers -- Britain, Germany and France -- have been negotiating a deal for the past few weeks under which Tehran would agree to freeze sensitive nuclear work such as uranium enrichment. In return, the EU would not support U.S. calls for Iran's case to be sent to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions and would sit down with Iran to work out a solution to the nuclear dispute. Iran insists its nuclear ambitions are limited to generating electricity from atomic power plants, not making bombs. Tehran gave its response to the EU deal on Thursday but there has been no announcement yet of a final agreement. EU diplomats say Iran has been trying to change some of the terms of the deal, including the scope of the enrichment suspension.
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Why is it the Euro's feel the need to go through these useless motions?
They ought to take a look at our own Madeline Halfbrights failed efforts with the Nork's for an idea of whats going to happen next. The Mullahs will continue their secret effort over the next year or two until there is a mushroom cloud in the desert or an announcement that they now have an arsenal of a couple of nukes.
Iran no doubt feels the only way to be safe from US intervention is to have the bomb. They will pursue it relentlessly, and the Euro's will walk away crowing about peace in out time - again. And we all know what that got us.
In a world of JerseyMike foreign policy the only message that would be sent to Iran is - if you want nukes go ahead and build them, but then you get to see how ours work up close.
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Nukes have to be the most over-rated weapon ever developed. Their only value is to intimidate powers that don't have them. If you think the US would be intimidated by Iranian nukes, you are mistaken. If any country dared to use nukes against us, we'd destroy that country. Now, Saudi Arabia is another question. Without a doubt, the Shiites in Tehran could scare the Sunni in Riyadh into changing their robes.
Who would use nukes is terrorists. Who would give them nukes is the axis of evil. Therefore, we should go to MAD/2. It should be our publicly stated policy that if an atomic device is detonated anywhere in the world outside a test site, the US will make uninhabitable the lands of all members of the axis of evil and kill all living things thereon.
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Since the tyrants of Tehran will not surrender but shall lash out at 'the West' (U.S.) by firing missiles across the Gulf directly at the Saudi oil fields, triggering global market pandemonium, such as never seen before. The mullahs will demonstrate their bunker mentality attempting to destroy what they can not control, unless a coup could be successfully staged prior tension in the Mid-East reaching dangerous geostrategic levels.
JerseyMike, In terms of the E.U. crowd in conjunction with like minded U.N. cohorts constantly allowing Iran further extensions allowing the terrorist promoting mullahs to race ahead in the development & fine tuning of their nuclear weapons programme, it is simply out of habit this thing called historic Euro appeasement of dictatorial monsters.
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The Iranian government is genuinely afraid of us, and why not -- we're in neighboring Afghanistan and Iraq, we're in the gulf, we back up Israel, etc. What could be better for them than a mutually-assured destruction (MAD) scenario as in the Cold War? They may not be able to wipe us out, but what U.S. President is going to risk losing New York or Washington or Chicago?
The Europeans are opportunists who need trade and oil. If it goes MAD, they get the trade and the oil. So it's totally in their interests right now to suck up to the Mullahs. In fact, it's probably in their interests to let Iran get the bomb behind the cloak of negotiations and diplomacy. This is like dealing with Kimmie -- the longer it goes on, the worse it gets.
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Tik, Tok, Tik, Tok................
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P.S.
I dont think the Mullah's are so stupid to
nuke an American City.
I think they really want to nuke Tel-Aviv
because the Europeans will applaud
and the Americans will probably not want to escalate the situation, so they would not respond.
This is why I think that as we stand to loose
the most, it is Israel which will finally have
to castrate the Mullahs.
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not respond? Israel will handle itself while we have their back and take the conventional war to the mullahs - after the fallout settles, of course. EOZ: You underestimate American support for the only democracy in the ME
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Frank, would you feel so confident about your statement if Kerry had won?
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Mrs. D - good question - no, not nearly as confident, but maybe I could have been pleasantly surprised? He always went whatever way the polls/weathervane went
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Nuking any city in Israel would bring on the famous "Sampson Option" scenario. Things would get real ugly, real quick - and not just in Israel and Iran.
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Rational actors might be persuaded by your logic mojo. But mullahs who know that Allen protects them and that Jooos cannot have a real bomb, it is only a lie created by the Jooo controlled media are not to be depended upon to reach the same conclusion.
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OK Frank,
I believe Dubia and 85% of the American people will support us in hard times. Its just the State Department Pro Arab Bozos that I dont really trust.
Mojo,
The "Samson option" will occur only after Tel-Aviv
is already nuked with 30% of Israel's population in it.
The smart move would be Mullah Castration(TM) well before this can happen.
While I may occationaly joke about these things, I siriously believe we need to take very strong pre-emptive measures against this threat.
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What Mrs D said. Iran's MO is to use proxies-- Hezbollah mainly-- to attack not just Israel but our own diplomats and overseas installations. Iran is now crawling with hundreds of Al Qaeda displaced from Afghanistan (incl Bin Laden's son). OF COURSE the mullahs will slip a few dirty nukes to the AQ operatives on their soil for use against US targets, most likely via container cargo on ships docking at a port near you.
All of which means Israel's bunker busters will fly within another six months.
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Agreed, all above - time is nigh to use the anti-mullah populace of Iran (and do not doubt they want liberation) to overthrow these bastards. Saves Israel needing to nuke M/M, Tehran, Damascus and Riyadh, leading to a savings in "innocent" lives
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Iran has admitted that it supplied Hezbollah with the drone that penetrated Israeli airspace on Sunday, according to a report on Thursday in the London-based Arabic-language Al-Sharq Al-Awsat newspaper. A senior member of Iran's Revolutionary Guards told Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that the drone was one of eight unmanned airborne vehicles manufactured in Iran that were transferred to Hezbollah last August, along with surface-to-surface missiles with a range of 70 kilometres and anti-aircraft shells. He spent several months in Lebanon training members of Hezbollah's 'technology warfare' unit in using innovative technologies and reported that Iran had flown similar drones over Iraq to monitor American military activity there, according to the paper.
The Hezbollah drone that entered Israel on Sunday flew at low altitude over Nahariya, then turned seaward. It fell into the Mediterranean as it approached the Lebanese coast, and was retrieved by fishermen and handed over to Hezbollah operatives, the paper said. The drone, known as the Mheger 4 in Iran, was renamed by Hezbollah Mirsad 1 (meaning 'ambush' or 'espionage'). Hezbollah announced it has several other similar drones, but senior officials interviewed by Arabic media declined to comment on the drone's technical specifications "so as not to alleviate Israel's embarrassment," the Arabic language paper said. The newspaper quoted the Iranian source as saying that the drone was outfitted with three cameras, digital radar, and a transmitter. With an engine capacity of close to 10 horsepower, the drone can fly at an altitude of 6,000 feet and reach a maximum speed of 120 kilometres per hour. The paper says Iran is now developing a more advanced model, the Mheger 6, that will be able to fly at an altitude of 10,000 feet and reach 160 kilometres per hour. Iran has developed four types of drones so far. Haaretz reported on Tuesday that Iranian military personnel were present at Hezbollah's command centre during the drone's flight over Israel.
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I'm waiting for Fighter Drones (UAVs) whose job it is to shoot down enemy drones. Doesn't need a sophisticated armanent - a shotgun (sawnoff?) would do the trick.
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Merely one more gold-plated reason for Israel to launch an attack against all of Iran's nuclear facilities. In no way has Iran subordinated their avowed intention of destroying Israel. The time is long overdue for Iran to realize what sort of pricetag is attached to vocally threatening and waging war by proxy against a well equipped and nuclear armed nation.
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Not only did Bush make the right decision in not joining the perverse ICC, but in this case, Iraq should formally protest that this threat of investigation violates its sovereignty.
Edited for brevity. Hat tip: Drudge
CBS News has axed a news producer who cut into prime-time programming Wednesday night to report the death of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. The staffer, a female senior producer for CBS's overnight newscast Up to the Minute, broke in to CSI: N.Y. shortly before 11 p.m. with the report, outraging viewers who missed the end of the crime drama. CBS apologized for the interruption Thursday, saying an "overly aggressive" staffer "jumped the gun on a report that should have been offered to local stations for their late news." So, if you work for CBS and interrupt a show with an unsurprising yet bona fide news item, you get fired. If you work for CBS and break out an exclusive and controversial story based on fraudulent documents that could swing a presidential election, you get a pass. Wow. Suddenly CBS has become my trusted news network of choice.
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Maybe See BS can turn the investigation of Rathergate over to the guys who did this one. Might move it along faster.
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This producer was just overzealous. Rather committed fraud.
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10,000 bloggers who want Dan Rather's head is not as serous an issue to CBS as 10 million CSI fans who want to see the conclusion of their show after sitting through 90% of it.
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Integrity < Ratings, eh, Tom?
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A journalist in northern Afghanistan, Islamuddin Mayel, says he feels he is in danger after he was briefly imprisoned and threatened following accusations that he stole a videotape apparently implicating the troops of General Abdul Rashid Dostum in war crimes.
Dumbass. Did it hurt when you were dropped on your head? What did you think was gonna happen when you screwed with Mr. Ruthless?
The tape is thought to contain footage subsequently used in a documentary, Massacre in Mazar, made by Irish journalist Jamie Doran. The film has not been given wide distribution but has been given small-scale screenings to select audiences in Europe, the first time in June 2002. Doran's film proved highly controversial because it alleged that United States forces were complicit in abuses which followed an unsuccessful uprising by Taleban at the Qala-ye-Jangi fortress in Balkh province. The film includes footage that it says shows captives who survived the re-capture of the fortress but who were then killed after being taken by Dostum's forces to Dasht-e-Erganak, a desert area east of Mazar-e-Sharif. It also claims that US special forces were present during the killings.
Speaking before the film was shown on the major German TV channel ARD in December 2002, US State Department spokesman Larry Schwartz condemned the film as "a documentary in which the facts are completely wrong and which unfairly depicts the US mission in Afghanistan". Mayel, one of many cameramen employed by Dostum in 2001, denies taking or selling any tape from the general's personal film archive. Now a reporter with Balkh Radio and Television's Uzbek service based in Mazar-e-Sharif , Mayel told IWPR that armed supporters of Dostum abducted him on October 21 from his home near the city. The men took him to a private prison in Jowzjan province, where he was interrogated and tortured for 10 days. He was released on October 31.
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Hindsight is always 20-20, but when we had all the Taliban forces surrounded at Kondoz, we should have taken them all out right then and there. Unfortunately, there were Pak officers there too, and we had to make a deal with the devil and let the Paks fly them out.
IIRC, Dostum had a bunch of prisoners from Kondoz locked in an ocean container or two, where they eventually died. Dostum is a mean, ruthless character, Afghanistan is a mean, ruthless place. You got to deal with these types of people. Comes with the territory. Ask any somewhat objective anthropologist.
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Next step will be to call for a ceasefire for humanitarian purposes, of course. That'll prob'ly come Sunday, I'd guess...
Iraqis trapped in Fallujah face a humanitarian disaster unless Iraqi and U.S. authorities allow food, water and medicine into the besieged city, aid agencies said Friday. The head of the Iraqi Red Crescent Society, Fardous al-Ubaidi, said she asked for permission from the Iraqi government to deliver humanitarian supplies to Iraqi civilians in the city but the request was turned down. "There is no water, no food, no medicine, no electricity and no fuel and when asked for a permission, we were only allowed to approach the Fallujah outskirts but had no access to Fallujah itself," al-Ubaidi told The Associated Press. A convoy of three ambulances and one truck carrying food accompanied by some 15 volunteers will try to enter the city Saturday, she said. "I know that it is too risky but the children in Fallujah are dying and people are eating flour," al-Ubaidi said.
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All the women and children have to do is walk out - the US will let em go, put them in a refugee camp and feed em there.
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"A convoy of three ambulances and one truck carrying food accompanied by some 15 volunteers will try to enter the city Saturday"
I'd blow out each and every one of those tires and ring the whole convoy in razor wire coils for the duration.
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This is unfortunate as personel will have to be wasted guarding/watching these goons. I hope at a bare minimum that everything going in was searched and all the drivers etc photographed.
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This is the best they can do? Our guys must really be doing one helluva job. Keep it up.
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" the children in Fallujah are dying and people are eating flour," al-Ubaidi said "
I think the citizens of Fallujah should have got the hell out. They knew well in advance since we advertised it doing the " politically correct " thing. In advertising we were fixing to kick ass, we also let many insurgents flee. Only when we stop letting politics " rule " the decisions will we totally be succesfull in Iraq, until then, the insurgency will be one step ahead.
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11/13/2004 14:44 Comments ||
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I wrote something up on this. It pisses me off royally. Reuters, BBC and the fair and balanced Aljazeera all were trying to insert the human crisis and civilian deaths into articles this morning.
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Hey, folks, what is the surprise here? The terrorists are getting their asses kicked. The only thing left for them is to appeal to the huuuumannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnitarian angle. It is the only weapon they have left.
Posted by: Alaska Paul ||
11/13/2004 15:13 Comments ||
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You bastards are trying to make this sound like a WAR! It's not! It's a police action against a nusiance. Let the cops in to solve the problem! I hate everything! I'm sending James to Lebannon to fly over the zionist entity.
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Let anyone in who wants to go in. Only let women and children out; any men who want out had better surrender, be searched, and be put into prison camps for sorting out later.
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In a corner of Kirkuk's Turkoman Domeez Quarter, a piece of graffiti in bold black paint backs an Arab Shiite militia group against the leaders of the two main Kurdish political parties: No to Jalal, no to Massoud, the Mahdi Army will Return. Hisham Hazim lounges near the town's main market, playing with his prayer beads. He may not have painted on the graffiti, but he agrees with every word, "As Iraqi Arabs, we used to be the dominant force in Kirkuk and we could do what we wanted. But since Jalal [Talabani] and Massoud [Barzani] came, we've been marginalised and now the Kurds are dominant and want to drive us out. But as long as the Mahdi Army exists, no one can touch us."
The slogans painted on walls in the Kurd and Arab parts of the city may have different names and factions but the messages of intolerance are the same. In the Kurdish quarter, the walls are a mix of pro-US slogans and claims that Kirkuk belongs to Kurdistan. Graffiti in the Arab areas, meanwhile, curses the Americans and the Kurds. In the predominantly Turkoman neighbourhood of Tis'een, there are occasional slogans proclaiming, "Long live Arabs and Turkomens"— mention of the Kurds is noticeably absent. Kurdish, Turkoman and Arab inhabitants of Kirkuk had managed to live together in some degree of harmony for years, but, according to residents, April marked a turning point in the city's inter-ethnic relations. "The Kurdish peshmerga forces arrived and basically occupied the city," said Muhammed Ara Oghli, a member of the executive council of the Turkoman National Movement. "Then the situation began to deteriorate. The two main Kurdish parties, the KDP [Kurdistan Democratic Party] and the PUK [Patriotic Union of Kurdistan] encouraged the pershmurga to loot our institutions and take their resources to the Kurdish towns of Erbil and Suleimaniyah."
The Kurds deny these allegations. "The US wouldn't allow Peshmurga into Kirkuk at the end of the war, so any looting that took place then has nothing to do with them. Let's face it, there are always instances of looting and unrest wherever there is instability or a political vacuum," said Kamil Salayee, the PUK's representative at the Kikuk Information Centre. "When the peshmerga arrived, they were actually protecting buildings..."
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This is from an outfit called the Institute of War and Peace Reporting whose mission is to train journalists to the standards of Western media (don't laugh!). If you read the whole article, the bias is obvious - things were better under Saddam.
"I dunno, Mahmoud! We wuz having talks, an' then, all of a sudden, they didn't wanna talk no more! I just can't unnerstand it!"
"Well, they're infidels, Ahmed. They don't think like we do. If it wuz us, we'd talk until we found some clue about where the hostages wuz bein' kept, an' then get all huffy and then rescue them an'... ummm... kill... ummm... the guyz holding them..."
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Taliban-linked militants threatening to kill three U.N. hostages accused the United States of hampering their release, though an Afghan official said Saturday a ransom demand was the main stumbling block.
Jaish-al Muslimeen or Army of Muslims, a spinoff resulting from an unfriendly takeover of the Taliban Afghanistan's former ruling militia, is publicly demanding the release of 26 Taliban suspects in exchange for the three foreign election workers, abducted more than two weeks ago.
This is truly rich.
We are hampering the release of the hostages because we won't negotiate with hostage takers. These guys have confused themselves with Bart, but they can't get the plot correct.
Do what you want, but don't blame us.
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We need to turn the tables on these guys and say, if the 3 UN hostages are not returned within 48 hours, 13 of the 26 Taliban suspects will be airdropped on them, or at the place we think they are. No negotiations. Just like the Russians. When they got their people kidnapped in Lebanon, the Russians sent the hostage takers parts of their relatives. Hostages released, end of story.
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Imprisoned uprising leader Marwan Barghouti has decided to run for president in upcoming Palestinian elections, a source close to the popular politician said Saturday. Barghouti, widely seen as the strongest candidate to replace Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, will only bow out of the race if his ruling Fatah movement selects a different candidate in internal voting, the source said on condition of anonymity. That is unlikely as Fatah is not expected to hold a primary. Barghouti's wife, Fadwa, said she was unaware of her husband's plans.
"The wife is always the last to know..."
Under Palestinian law, elections are to be held within two months to find a successor to Arafat, who died Thursday. Rauhi Fattouh, a nonentity virtual unknown, was sworn in as temporary president of the Palestinian Authority, the self-ruling power in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. He will serve as caretaker president until elections are held. Barghouti is serving multiple life terms in an Israeli prison after being convicted of involvement in terrorism. Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom told reporters this week that Barghouti "will remain in prison for the rest of his life because he's a murderer."
Maybe they could set up videoconferencing from the jailhouse to the Paleostinian parliament?
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Excellent. Select Elect the Bargman. Then the screws he can send written orders from prison to his self detonating minions.
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11/13/2004 11:54 Comments ||
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Mo Dahlan for Chief KillerThugDictator of Gaza President!
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11/13/2004 12:04 Comments ||
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Under Pali Law?
Oh.
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11/13/2004 16:10 Comments ||
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Marwan Wants to Succeed Arafat
If by "succeed," Marwan means he wants to take the dirt nap just like Arafat, I say, let him. Actually, it would be more than a little fitting if the imprisoned Marwan actually was elected as head of the Palestinain government. I can see the Israeli headlines now:
I listened to the press conference yesterday and I distinctly heard him say that it depends on the Paleostinians carrying out free elections and instituting a free society that's willing to live in peace with Israel. I didn't think he sounded particularly hopeful — more like "it would be nice, but..."
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Yup, that's what I heard too, contingent on the Pal Arabs really wanting a lasting peace as a first step. That leaves out the Hamas types.
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That leaves out ALL of them!
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Bush was also heard to say:
The check is in the mail.
I'll respect you in the morning.
I'm from your government, and I am here to help you.
It's only a cold sore.
You get this one, I'll pay next time.
Of course I love you.
I am getting a divorce.
Drinking? Why, no, Officer.
It's not the money, it's the principle of the thing.
I never watch television except for PBS.
..but we can still be good friends.
Dont worry, I can go another 20 miles when the gauge is on "empty."
With the help of the Northland Chapter of the American Red Cross, Wells Fargo Bank, area newspapers and hundreds of creative colorers, local troops will soon be receiving a little bit of holiday cheer from home. Many of the 536 Thanksgiving greetings colored by Duluthians ages three to 95 were displayed at the Northland Red Cross building last week before being shipped overseas. Prior to that the turkeys were displayed in the Wells Fargo lobby on Superior Street. "It's a great way to let the kids know their coloring paid off," said Marsha Blackburn, senior vice president of Wells Fargo.
Blackburn said the idea to send holiday greetings to Northland troops came about during a meeting with the Duluth News Tribune. She said the details were decided in a matter a minutes, as everyone was eager to see the idea become reality. "Every single turkey is different," Blackburn said. "Their imaginations just ran wild. Many of the artists wrote heart-felt messages on the turkey." One message read, "Thank you for protecting us, and please stay safe."
The Red Cross will be sending the turkey greetings to a unit from Cloquet stationed in Iraq and a unit from Park Point stationed in Afghanistan. "It's a wonderful way for us to send a message to men and women overseas," Blackburn said. "We want troops to know that we remember how important what they're doing is and we're thinking about them."
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I'm waiting for the complaints that our troops will be getting fake turkeys. 5-4-3-2-1â¦
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Oh, great, these aren't even plastic turkeys -- they're paper!
The illnesses suffered by veterans of the first Gulf War appeared to be linked to toxins including nerve gas, according to a US report. The US Veterans Affairs Department said stress or mental illness did not explain most veterans' complaints, but there was a probable link to toxins. British campaigners are demanding the government recognise "Gulf War Syndrome". The UK's Ministry of Defence (MoD) says there is not enough evidence to prove its existence.
(good enough to serve but not to assist?
The report, by the Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans' Illnesses, said up to 30% of US Gulf War veterans had been afflicted by a "complex of multiple chronic symptoms over and above expected rates seen in veterans who did not serve in the Gulf War. What the Americans are saying is that the illness is not stress-related and not in the mind." Symptoms include headaches, memory problems, confusion, dizziness, blurred vision and tremors. It said reports indicated a large number of Gulf War troops were exposed to a variety of potentially toxic substances, including low levels of chemical nerve agents, pills taken to protect veterans from the effects of nerve agents and insect repellents and pesticides, that can adversely affect the nervous system. (more via link)
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Mike, the problem is that the claimants keep running into real scientific problems. Like how come in a hundred man unit, assigned or attached, with all operating in the same location, only one or two get the symptoms? How come the percentage of appearence of symptoms are similar to the same percentage of males of the same age/ethnic/economic group of the general population which never was near the region? Does this make the claimant problems unreal, No. However, the claimants have been in a rushing to burn the witch, lay blame, and not do the science to find the real causal factor. They and their agents have been engaging in speculation without facts [sound familiar?]. Meanwhile, the VA is taking all claims for GWS and the claimants are suppose to be getting both medical and financial assistance, though the medical assistance is limited to symptoms if we can't figure out the real root cause.
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The "only 2 out of 100" arguement doesnt fly - some are more resistant than others. Expose the general population to malaria and not everyone gets it either - that doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
The "science" done to date has been underfunded, and done with a slant fromthe beginning that predisposed the researchers to find *nothing* since thats the desired result. Government health research is wonderful for reinforcing a conclusion, but unless its urgent, its not much for discovering a cause, especially when there is a desire for a given result.
Fully funding impartial research by outside (outside the DoD and outside the Government if possible) medical researchers will solve this onece and for all.
I know guys that got hit with this - it is real, it is messing with good soldiers. Thank God I didnt get affected. Nobody in my company did - and we think its because our unit medic paperwhipped most of the anti-nerve-gas meds. Other than that, we were a front line unit, and probably exposed to everything - that was a mean mess we went through wiht all those injections, the chemical alarms (all false to the best of my knowledge), petrochem hydrocarbons from burning oil wells, sand fleas, gnats, etc.
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All due respect OS, I did state Does this make the claimant problems unreal, No.
In the haste by both the government and those effected to position themselves, the real science and scientific methodology has been ignored. That includes lumping a number of ailments into one general catagory of GWS. If you defy the methodology you'll delay getting to the root of the problems and therefore the solution, cure, or proper treatment.
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I've always been skeptical about GWS. It reeks of of whinning and I need a disabilty and I'm willing to raise hell to get it. Maybe it's a problem maybe not.
Actually, with all due respect.... I think it's a crock.
It would not surprise me to learn that the mix of chemicals that many soldiers were exposed to, from the burning oil wells, and munitions, coupled woth the unusual stress would produce a medical problem.
Also, every region of the world has illnesses that are endemic to that area and no other. It is very possible that there is something native to that region that the locals shrug off that affects outsiders differently. Thirty years ago we weren't talking about prion caused diseases. This could be something along those lines.
The Iraqi government rushed reinforcements Friday to the country's third-largest city, Mosul, seeking to quell a deadly militant uprising that U.S. officials suspected may be in support of the resistance in Fallujah -- now said to be under 80 percent U.S. control. Police in Mosul largely disappeared from the streets, residents reported, and gangs of armed men brandishing automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenade launchers roamed the city, 225 miles north of Baghdad. Responding to the crisis, Iraqi authorities dismissed Mosul's police chief after local officials reported that officers were abandoning their stations to militants without firing a shot.
In Fallujah, U.S. troops pushed insurgents into a narrow corner in the southern end of the city after a four-day assault that has claimed 22 American lives and wounded about 170 others. An estimated 600 insurgents have died, according to the military. Despite the apparent success in Fallujah, violence flared elsewhere in the volatile Sunni Muslim areas, including Mosul, where attacks Thursday killed a U.S. soldier. Another soldier was killed in Baghdad as clashes erupted Friday in at least four neighborhoods of the capital. Clashes also broke out from Hawija and Tal Afar in the north to Samarra -- where the police chief was also fired -- and Ramadi in central Iraq.
The most serious incidents took place in Mosul, a city of about 1 million people, where fighting raged for a second day. Gunmen attacked the headquarters of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan party in an hourlong battle that a party official said left six assailants dead. Militants also assassinated the head of the city's anti-crime task force, Brig. Gen. Mowaffaq Mohammed Dahham, and set fire to his home. "With the start of operations in Fallujah a few days ago, we expected that there would be some reaction here in Mosul," Brig. Gen. Carter Ham, commander of U.S. forces in the city, told CNN from Mosul. Ham said he doubted the Mosul attackers were insurgents who fled Fallujah and said most "were from the northern part of Iraq, in and around Mosul and the Tigris River valley that's south of the city."
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was this sunni triangle "tet" defensive forseen--where was the intel on this--its disheartening--its probably playing well on jihad tv--wtf is going on--if walter chronkite was still at cbs news we'd be gettin' on boats and leavin' by now--this is not good--does anyone think outside the box there?--did they game it?--they've been there 18 months altrady--no excuse for it
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The Iraqi NG (Pergamesh units) are going to be happy. Getting paid to whack Sunni Arabs.
Its clear the Sunni Arabs have a choice between bad and worse. Looks like they are choosing worse. The Kurds will be delighted to get the opportunity to clean them out of Mosul where most were immigrants under the Saddam regime.
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Yea, Hulugu, piles of skulls... Sometines I wish that were possible out of frustration, but these were different times.
Don't forget that strategy is dictated or influenced to a large degree by Iraqis (Allawi), so that puts a bit of a wrench into it. I hope he is learning and fast. He probably needed some blood capital to start a serious campaign...sounds cynical, but often you have to pay to get what you want.
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Not surprising -- there will be a few weeks where things flame up before the loss of the Sunni triangle bases crimps the jihadis' style for good. Our generals said as much, though I don't have the quotes at hand, sorry.
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