Good question, Sarah, and one that I wish more Americans would ask.
Oh and by the way, the Korans were being handled because the prisoners were using them to hide messages. Next, I'll learn that Islamicist miscreants hide in burqas.
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PALIN-BOLTON in 2012!
Psst-We have lots of great conservatives out there--We can tweak the mix to our advantage! Anything to pry Pharaoh and his godless minions/czars/Civil Service political burrowers and demons OUT! Santorum is correct. There are evil spiritual entities that are thousands of years old, poised to pounce on, and ravage our throats!
Turn the entire lot over to the Taliban, blow everything in-place. Kill anything thats gets in our way. Load up and fly outta there as quickly as possible. Leave the primitive, hopeless bastards to their goat buggering and dancing boys.
#4
I blame a political class unable to think outside of the Vietnam paradigm.
Afghanistan, the Afghans are not allies to be protected, they are enemies to be defeated.
AFTER defeating the enemy (and meting out measured punishment) you can be magnanimous, help the miserable rebuild their countries (in the image of Western civilization not barbarism.)
For historical reference here's a quote related to a successful project of liberation:
"b. Germany will not be occupied for the purpose of liberation but as a defeated enemy nation. Your aim is not oppression but to occupy Germany for the purpose of realizing certain important Allied objectives. In the conduct of your occupation and administration you should be just but firm and aloof. You will strongly discourage fraternization with the German officials and population."
A self confident, assertive occupation was able to bring positive change to Germany and Japan. It might have brought a measure of such change to Afghanistan and Iraq.
What happened was the application of theoretically overwhelming force combined with an incoherent but mostly weak and submissive political framework which never had a chance to succeed.
#5
Gratitude is an attribute of a society where cooperation is based on reciprocity. In Arab, and to the lesser extent all other Islamic "societies", cooperation is based on kin-selection.
#6
I must agree with you g(r)om, but I am sure you will agree, Islam does not have the market cornered on this type of...let me call it faith-based behavior.
Add to this the notion of 'nation-building', an unfortunate amalgam of 19th century imperialism and 20th century do-gooder progressism, in which we decided we could turn a group of Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Turkmen and crazy Pashtuns into a nation-state. I think that's exactly the moment we went down the wrong path.
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#9
It woulda worked better if we didn't decide a Pashtun had to be in charge, and a lot better if we didn't decide upon a particular caped Pashtun.
#10
IMO, you confuse cause & effect Besoeker. The "faith-based behavior" is due to inability to cooperate effectively. Well, never mind theories. Do you agree with me that it's much more profitable to teach calculus to dogs than democracy to Muslims?
#11
The Afghan people are murderous savages who spread worldwide misery with their opium and exist on an imprinted culture of crime, slavery, oppression, illiteracy, and pederasty.
#13
I've always thought that when we launched Enduring Freedom, we should have said the hell with winning hearts and minds--win the war. If that meant destroying everything in Afghanistan, so be it (Although I'm not sure anyone could tell the difference between Afghanistan undestroyed from Afghanistan destroyed). Not doing it is what brings on this candyassed $hit that is going on now. Moreover, we spread the notion of weakness to rest of the muslim world and invite more "kick me" behavior.
#14
The Afghan people are murderous savages who spread worldwide misery with their opium and exist on an imprinted culture of crime, slavery, oppression, illiteracy, and pederasty.
I understand that the rest of the Afghans think so of the Pashtuns, Penguin.
#2
Besoeker, like the Jesuits, the Quakers will teach anyone, and it's an elite private school. These kids will go on to ivy league colleges, and from there some of them will end up running the country -- the same path taken by our current president. This matters.
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#5
The Friends school is popular for the wealthy and political elte to wearhouse their children. Al the Gore did as Obama did for a time. Parents drop them off and may see them on a holiday but few visits. These kids live in a different world.
They are to marry money. The are handed the keys to power. They always build upon what they are given. Some do that better than others.
* Speaker says radicalisation result of intellectual stagnation of society
* Static notion being taught at madrassas same as in public education system
ISLAMABAD: Speakers of a seminar have stressed the need for reinterpreting religious dogma in the dynamic and modernist spirit of Islam, which Sir Syed Ahmed Khan and Allama Iqbal had exhorted for the advancement of the Moslems of the Subcontinent.
The seminar titled 'Deradicalisation of the Vulnerable Segments of Society' was organised by the Islamabad Policy Research Institute (IPRI) on Wednesday.
Dr Khalid Masud, director general of the Islamic Research Institute of the International Islamic University, spoke on the role of religion in deradicalisation and said the process of change and evolution of thought was being blocked by the religious clergy to whom every new development was being referred to for endorsement by the ruling elite.
Radicalisation was the result of intellectual stagnation of society, which was being promoted by decision makers in tandem with the religious orthodoxy, he said. "Unless this mindset is changed, superficial efforts at deradicalisation are not going to bear fruit."
He said that the intellectual climate of the country was better in the 50s when scholars like Fazlur Rahman were doing their important work on the reconstruction of Islamic thought. "Today, nobody can dare differ with the holy mans who are actually quite ignorant, and together with the ruling elite constituted the dominant class of our religious illiterates."
Dr Masud criticised the present tendency to seek the cover of Sufism to fight orthodoxy, and said Sufis were no revolutionaries either, and their approach too had no dynamism. "Their approach was just more humane," he said.
He said that it was wrong to focus on madrassas when the same static notion of religion was being taught in the public education system.
Speaking on the socio-economic perspectives of deradicalisation, Professor Usman Mustafa of the Pakistain Institute of Development Economics (PIDE) said the vast economic disparity between the poor majority and the rich minority was behind radicalisation.
It was not religious indoctrination alone that was driving the poor to take up arms, but the desperation of their circumstances, he said.
"While the rich seek protection of their possessions, the poor have nothing to lose but their lives. Unless this disparity is reduced and the poor are given something to hold on to, the problem of radicalisation will persist and grow."
He also criticised the Western countries, which preached equality and equity to the world, but used their exclusive veto power at the United Nations ...an organization whose definition of human rights is interesting, to say the least... to secure their advantage. "The disparity between nations of the West and the East is as glaring as one sees between segments of society in Pakistain," he said.
Earlier, Pakistain Institute for Peace Studies Director Amir Rana explained the various models and approaches to deradicalisation that countries like Soddy Arabia, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Egypt Australia and the United Kingdom had used and applied to address the problem.
He, however, said that Pakistain could not borrow those models because of the "entirely different nature of the problem here". There were constrains, both financial and ideological, that would come in the way, he said. In a country where "as many as 104 organised bodies are promoting radicalism and where people are fighting extremism on a war footing", only a tailor-made prescription suited to the peculiar conditions could address the problem, he said.
In his opening remarks, IPRI Acting President Dr Maqsudul Hassan Nuri said the sense of deprivation had grown in Moslem societies due to poor governance and the ever-widening gap between expectations of the people and the performance of the rulers.
Radicalisation was not only a result of thug philosophies promoted by non-state actors but also a result of ideologies pursued by the states, he said.
#3
This pisses me off every time it comes up. You need to separate Y2K into Y2K: The Technical Problem and Y2K: The Media Hysteria.
The technical problem was real. A lot of people worked very hard to make sure it was not a problem. One example: General Motors checked every one of their microprocessors, industrial controllers, and manufacturing systems and took steps to make sure nothing would go wrong. Final result: no problemo
The media, on the other hand, ginned up a lot of overheated, frothy hysteria about the end of civilization. Final result: a lot of snarky nonsense about how there never was a problem. Bah, and bah again!
Don't get me started on the bad science behind global warming. The only thing global warming and Y2K have in common is the media hysteria.
#5
I'll say it again - all things equal, the greatest single threat from GWCC + OWG-NWO stems from the Universal Govts, Perts Consensus in that there is NO Consensus.
E.g. US-World Govts, Perts, + MSM-Net have all reported or pre-warned that COMET APOPHIS is coming 2029/30-2036 - YET, PEOPLE ON GUAM + US-WORLD MAY SEE APOPHIS-CAUSED LUNAR EXPLOSIONS BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL + SCIENTIFIC WRANGLING + NOT-BELGIUM WAFFLINS', ETC. THAT OCCURS WIDIN OUR OWG-NWO THAT NO AMERICAN = AMERIKAN HAS YET VOTED FOR, NOR BEEN ASKED TO, NOR WILL BE ASKED FOR A LONG TIME TO COME, BETWEEN NOW + 2029-2036 THAT HAVE EFFECT ON RELIABLE SPACE ANALYSIS + DEFENSE.
We've already had a couple of NEO = Space Rocks pass by where NASA was repor uncertain about its own impact analysis + basically was crossing its fingers that nothing would happen.
#6
That's why the con-artists have change the name to 'climate change'. The problem with that spin is that climate change has been on going since the planet was able to even have a climate and will continue to change regardless of man. Humans so far have been successful to 'adapt' to several major changes and now occupy about every conceivable surface environment on this planet.
#3
Malware to steal iranian credit card numbers?
Illegal internet gambling software the became self aware?
The pushiest penis pill ad ever, stuck in a loop?
Google's new beta version with enhanced privacy intrusion?
The possibilities are endless.
#4
Basically stuxnet was coded by someone with working knowledge of the Iranian nuclear set up. And it was written to deceive not to destroy the process. Very interesting clip I recommend it.
#5
Actually it's an hour video, and the good stuff comes around the 40 - 45 minute mark.
Bottom line:
1) The really destructive code was only 2 lines. The rest of the code was making sure the attacks occurred randomly.
2) He concludes that the team(s) that wrote this built a mirror copy of the Iranian uranium enrichment facility to make sure the attack would work as designed.
Al
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The capper is the virus that comes after STUXNET. It collected all the data and sent it back to the original programmers so they could see the effects of what they had done. Bottom line, it killed 1,000 centerfuge and even the brag video on Iran TV proved it.
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