In an op-ed in the Saudi daily Al-Watan, Saudi Prince Saud bin Mansour bin Saud bin 'Abd Al-'Aziz [1] took on Saudi and Arab liberals and reformists and the Western ideal of democracy. Without naming names, he said that these people were promoting Western democracy despite all its flaws and despite the fact that Islam is vastly superior. Calling democracy "demo-khratiyya" (i.e. "demo-mendacity"), the prince said that writers who criticized Saudi Arabia needed an "ideological bloodletting" to purge them of their corrupt ideas.
Following are translated excerpts from his article: [2]
Unfortunately, Some Arab Media Are Trumpeting Democracy Instead of Islam
"Democracy according to their interpretation [that is, that of the Arab reformists] is a Western social regime that works for the interests of the majority, under many protections and conditions, in order [to enable] political stability, development and advancement, as well as reduced corruption, poverty and hunger, and freedom of expression. This freedom is always plastered like a placard on the wall of democracy - in [full] knowledge that Plato called it the rule of the people for itself and by itself.
"Most unfortunately, some of the Arab media mouthpieces are trumpeting [democracy] as a means of [progress], forgetting that democracy's principles include that of separation of religion and state. They enslave the term [i.e. democracy] to their own twisted interests, and to their prattling that gives their listeners a headache.
"Have the owners of these mouthpieces [i.e. the Arab media] forgotten that Islam laid out an order that is incompatible with foreign ideology, and that it is a sound and Pure religion - and that the respect for the individual in Islam... is supreme? [Have they forgotten that Islam] is the best source for the appropriate freedom and for [ideals of] humanity, and that it is the best protector of mankind?
"Those who hasten to endorse the Western 'openness' - whose arrows appear gentle but [carry] a fatal load - have they forgotten our principles and our clarity? Have [these people] not noticed that the West is always marketing democracy as a secular and civil system, not a religious [system]? [Struck by] waves of political Alzheimer's, they keep telling us that Islam is not democratic.
"A curse on anyone who wants to enforce this demo-khratiyya on all political and constitutional issues. A curse on all those dictatorships that masquerade as demo-khratiyya in order to destroy what they define as third-world countries!
"It should be remembered that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is the Custodian of the Two Holy Places, and that the sons or residents of the homeland have never been denied their rights. Our country's structure is perfect [thanks to] Islam, which has established the [concept of] Shura [i.e consultation] and the protection of rights, freedom, justice and anything [else] of value, as laid down by this generous religion."
"Writers [Who Criticize Saudi Arabia] Need an Ideological Bloodletting in Order to Remove [Their] Corrupt Ideas"
"Members of the Arab and Muslim media are miserly when it comes to highlighting this Islamic freedom, and do not present our just Islamic system. Let us be more mature than these ideas, that lead a divisive and cheap style aimed at dividing the country into factions and groups.
"How can we be indifferent to the fact that the various Arab media are replete with booby-trapped imported ideas?! Not to mention the perversion represented by video clips or [soap operas], which some people look forward to more than the month of Ramadan itself so that they can enjoy the garbage of those artists, marketers, and actors. All this is aimed at dismantling religious obligation, under the slogan of democracy.
"...Most of our Arab media platforms [are filled with] sensationalism, exchange of insults, debauchery, agitation, fitna [i.e. civil strife], perversion, and reactionism. We read amazing things written by some [Saudi] writers, in which the term 'the Saudis' is used in a generalizing manner to include anything disgraceful, and anything that crosses red lines.
"These writers need an ideological bloodletting in order to remove [their] corrupt ideas. They must be taught not to generalize like ignoramuses. KILL 'EM!
"Oh my country, rush to Glory and Grandeur by having your sons cling to Islam, Arabness, and Saudiness!" Yeah, what the world needs is more more Islam, more Arabness, and more Saudiness! Especially more Saudiness, because nothing emcopass more Glory and Grandeur than Saudiness!
[1] The prince is the great-grandson of the founder of the Saudi kingdom 'Abd Al-'Aziz (ruled 1932-1953) and the grandson of King Saud (ruled 1953-1964).
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Paul2: He may be a prince, but he is scared. He is using the same old rhetoric that was used by European royals against the democratic revolution. They kept a lid on things until 1848, when all hell broke loose.
In a single year, there were democratic revolutions in: Hungary, Prague, Switzerland (peaceful), France, Denmark, Brazil, Hapsburg Empire, Poland, Lithuania, the German states, the Italian states, Schleswig, and Wallachia.
A curse on anyone who seeks to institute Saudi Wahhabi-ism on western democracies?
Let's just go our separate ways, ok. Conflict is such bad Karma. Heh.
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In a single year, there were democratic revolutions in: Hungary, Prague, Switzerland (peaceful), France, Denmark, Brazil, Hapsburg Empire, Poland, Lithuania, the German states, the Italian states, Schleswig, and Wallachia.
Quite true, Anonymoose. And by 1865, how many of those revolutions were considered permanent? An awful lot of the revolutionaries emigrated afterward, for some reason. That's why one part of Cincinnati is called "Over the Rhine".
(Xinhua) -- Kim Jong Il, top leader of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), met Liang Guanglie, Chinese Defense Minister, here on Wednesday.
Kim welcomed Liang, speaking highly of the DPRK-China friendship. Kimmie's got that "I'm just happy to be above ground" look that Mao had about six months before he went.
He said the DPRK-China friendship, a treasure inherited from the older generations of the leaders of the two counties, had stood the test of history and was unbreakable.
He said relations between the two armies was an important part of the relations between the two countries and the two sides should continue to boost exchange and cooperation in a bid to consolidate and develop DPRK-China friendship. Relations between the two armies, eh? How to read that one between the lines?
Liang extended his thanks for Kim's meeting and conveyed Hu and other Chinese leaders' greetings to him.
China sezLiang said the China-DRPK friendship, set up and fostered by the older generations of leaders of the two countries, was showing its great vitality. The Chinese government was unshakeable in its commitment to consolidate and develop the cooperative relations of the two countries.
China would continue to enlarge and deepen the exchange and cooperation with the DPRK side in the spirit of "inheriting tradition, facing up to the future, building good neighborly friendship and strengthening cooperation," in order to benefit the two peoples and contribute to peace and development of Northeast Asia and the world.
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Dood in the center with the smile senses his DeadPool bet is about to pay off.
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Kimmie's beginning to look as thin as the rest of the North Korean people. About another twenty pounds or so to go ...
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ION MALAYSIAN INSIDER News > BTN TAUGHT ME THAT THE CHINESE ARE THE "JEWS OF ASIA" [anti-MALAY "ZIONIST" = "CHINESE MALAYSIAN" local plot wid SINGAPORE to topple Malaysia's Govt-State].
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WMF > USIASC's RICHARD FISHER [Aviation Week artic]: CHINA'S PLA PROCURING LARGE QUANTITIES OF ARMS AND ADVANCED TECHS [mil modernz-buildup] TO PROJECT POWER INTO THE WESTERN PACIFIC AGZ THE USA.
The United States and Poland have agreed terms for stationing US troops in Poland so that the deployment of US Patriot missiles can start next year, an official said Thursday. til Russia squaks and Baracky backs down
"Talks on an agreement allowing the military presence of the United States in our country have been concluded successfully," Polish defence ministry spokesman Robert Rochowicz told AFP.
He refused, however, to confirm Polish media reports that the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) deal would be formally inked in Warsaw on December 10 by Ellen Tauscher, US under secretary for arms control and international security affairs, and Poland's deputy minister Stanislaw Komorowski.
The SOFA deal was a pre-requisite to setting up a US ground-to-air missile base in Poland. US officials say deployment should start in 2010. Expiration date for this promise?
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Ellen Tauscher's reputation is that of a reasonably responsible adult- at least on a national level. How did she slip through Obama's net of crypto-commies?
Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani on Thursday said the government was ready to negotiate with Baloch nationalist leaders on any terms within the ambit of Constitution.
Addressing a press conference on - Aghaz-e-Huqooq-e-Balochistan - at PM House largely attended by national and international media, the Prime Minister said he was already in contact with the Baloch leadership however did not want to reveal further prematurely. About the Baloch nationalists in self-exile, Gilani said, Our government will make every effort to bring them back to country and include them into national mainstream.
He said the leadership abroad had been invited for a meaningful dialogue besides encouraging them to play role for the uplift of their own province Balochistan.
The Prime Minister said all Baloch leaders including Brahamdagh Bugti and Talal Bugti had been invited for negotiations, and mentioned his regards for Bugti family as his father and Nawab Akbar Bugti were cabinet colleagues. When asked if negotiations meant holding talks with those charged with criminal acts, Gilani said politics is a day-to-day affair and recalled that he was also labelled with such allegations when not in the government.
He suggested for setting up a committee of parliamentarians to work on negotiations with Baloch leaders and to invite them to play their role in national mainstream. Gilani said this is for the first time in the countrys history that a tradition had been set up to take all political parties onboard on all issues of national importance. He said absence of Nawab Lashkar Raeesani from todays committee meeting was due to his visit abroad for Hajj pilgrimage.
LAHORE - Editor-in-Chief The Nation and Chairman Nazria Pakistan Trust Majid Nizami has said that we should remain well-prepared for war against Hindus as they were casting bad eye on Pakistan and our independence, which is a blessing of Allah.
This loon not only controls newspapers, radio and TV stations in Pakistan, the trust runs a network of schools where children are indoctrinated with this nonsense
He was speaking at Aiwan-e-Karkunan Tehrik-e-Pakistan on the 53rd death anniversary of Maulana Zafar Ali Khan on Tuesday.
Majid Nizami said Maulana Zafar Ali Khan was a versatile personality as he was a journalist, poet, politician and orator. He stood with the Quaid in Pakistan Movement.
He started a movement in the name of Masjid Shaheed Ganj and wanted to take over the mosque but it is a dilemma that after freedom, the Muslims could not secure this mosque due to tolerant attitude and it is still closed. It is neither Gurdawara nor mosque.
He said Zafar Ali Khan published his poems on Page One of the newspaper Zamindar and it fetched great circulation. He said Maulana Zafar Ali Khan Trust should secure Zamindar office and make it a memoir. Majid Nizami mentioned J Thunder aircraft handed over to PAF, which can fly high than Indian jets and India admitted that Pakistan has taken supremacy in air defence. There would be a war against India on waters because it is building dams on our rivers and the solution lies is smashing the dams by missiles.
As such we should be prepared for war. He said though war is not good thing but it is better to die by warring instead of dying with thirst and hunger. He said Maulana Zafar Ali Khan was great lover of the holy Prophet (PBUH).
Vice Chairman Nazria Pakistan Trust, Prof Dr Rafique Ahmad said that NPT is reminding the forgotten lesion of Pakistan Movement and its heroes. Maulana Zafar Ali Khan was one of them. He fought for the Muslims particularly of the subcontinent. He remained successful whichever field he chose. He instantaneously translated Pakistan Resolution on the call of Quaid-e-Azam and formed Majlis-e-Ittehad-e-Millat.
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Ifn the Hinddoz weren't giving Pakland the stinkeye, all would be right as rain
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"And the Hindus hate the Moslems, and everybody hates the Jews."
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OTOH WMF > CHINA IS NOT AFRAID AND FULLY CAPABLE OF FIGHTING TWO-FRONT WAR AGZ INDIA AND IRAN [China-Iran vs. US-Israel/Allies].
ARTIC > CHINA WILL NOT LOSE ANY WAR as per
* Any US-desired SECOND SINO-INDIAN WAR
* YEAR 2018 or shortly after > SECOND SINO-INDIAN WAR + US-CHIN WAR OER TAIWAN-IRAN.
and
* SAME > US "STRATEGIC HOPE/DESIRE" FOR TRADE WAR TO DELAY CHINA'S RISE BY 50 YEARS WILL NOT SUCCEED. CHIN's rise is "unstoppable" regardless of any mailicious US geopol = milaction agz China.
Any US-desired SECOND CHIN-INDIA WAR will only TEMPORARILY drop CHINA's GDP by roughly 05%.
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See also PAKISTANI DEFENC FORUMS > BOMB ILLEGAL INDIAN DAMS, SAYS NIZAMI; + SECRET MAPS OF PAK ISI AGENCY|[Northern Region(s)] INDIA TO BECOME [part of] THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN BY 2020. SOUTHERN INDJUH to be come "DISPUTED TERRITORIES. ISLAMABAD + PAK ISI Agency trying to "inspire/motivate" PAK Army-People to higher goal of "GREATER PAKISTAN"???
PESHAWAR: Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has said that Pakistan was achieved in the name of Islam and the religion can never be expelled from the country.
Addressing a gathering at Police Line Peshawar here, the COAS said that no one can separate Islam from Pakistan as the country was achieved in its name. He said that Pakistan Army will succeed in its bid to root out extremism from the country in cooperation with the nation and the media.
Announcing Rs 20 million for the martyrs of NWFP Police, Gen. Kayani said that the all kinds of needed weapons and ammunitions would be provided to police to make its progress better.
Earlier, Chief of Army Staff General was received by Corps Commander Lt. Gen. Muhammad Masood Aslam at Peshawar Airport when he arrived here on a day-long visit on Wednesday.
He will also visited Lady Reading Hospital to express solidarity with the bomb blast victims.
The Army Chief is schedule to meet Governor NWFP Owais Ahmad Ghani, Chief Minister Ameer Haider Khan Hoti, tribal elders and students later in the day.
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Pakistan was achieved in the name of Islam and the religion can never be expelled from the country.
That about sums it all up, and also explains why it has not made great progress as a nation, except for being a petri dish for jihadibots.
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but, is it possible to separate Pakistan from the Earth?
A deal to release captured IDF soldier Gilad Schalit will likely be concluded next week, according to a Fox News report Friday, which quoted sources close to officials involved in the negotiations. The report added that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu would travel to Germany next week.
According to the report, a disagreement over deportation of Palestinian prisoners from east Jerusalem had become a major sticking point.
Israel is still waiting on a number of answers from Hamas, according to Egyptian sources quoted by Fox.
"What we are seeing now is the end game," an unnamed source was quoted as saying.
In another Friday report, Egyptian sources were quoted as saying that Israel had agreed to release 20 prisoners with long sentences that Hamas has demanded as part of any deal for Schalit.
The London-based Al-Hayat paper reported on that Israel continued to oppose the release of an additional 50 such prisoners.
Israel is also continuing to stand firm on its policy of not releasing prisoners who are either Arab Israelis or Arab residents of east Jerusalem, according to the paper.
Hamas said in the Al-Hayat report that negotiations were on going, and that the German negotiator was continuing his efforts to iron out an agreement for Schalit's release.
Iranian authorities have confiscated Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi's medal, the Norwegian government said on Thursday, accusing Iran of a shocking first in the history of the prize.
Norwegian authorities were told that Ebadi's medal had been seized "within the last week or so" from a safe-deposit box in Iran along with personal effects including the diploma awarded with the medal, the Foreign Ministry said. Spokeswoman Ragnhild Imerslund would not name the source of the information but called the person reliable. She added that Norwegian authorities have been "in touch" with Ebadi since the incident.
Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere called the move "shocking" and said it was "the first time a Nobel Peace Prize has been confiscated by national authorities."
Imerslund said the Foreign Ministry summoned Iran's charge d'affaires in Norway on Wednesday to protest the confiscation. The Foreign Ministry also "expressed grave concern" about Ebadi's husband, who it said was arrested in Tehran and "severely beaten" earlier this fall, after which his pension and bank account were frozen.
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Just give him another one...hell they're handing them out like candy these days.
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And she deserved the prize, Gromky. Perhaps she should have dissolved it in aqua regia the way they hid Max von Laue and James Franck's medals from the Nazis during WWII.
Oh, dear, have I just violated Godwin's Law?
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She got the NB Prize in 2003 when Pope JP II was thought by some to be the front runner. Many people at the time thought the prize was awarded to her as a criticism of W's confrontation with Iraq. Her activities in Iran had little to do with peace. She was one of those "Islam is consistent with democracy and human rights" advocates who also defended some critics of the regime. However she herself was, at the time a sometimes supporter of the mullah's regime (she opposed the shah and supported the regime vigorously in its early years - she backed off after the 4th year of war with Iraq. She left Iran the day before the election and hasn't been back since.
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Too late Lord Garth aqua regia has been mentioned. This thread is deh over.
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Iranian pilgrims carried out a peaceful protest against the "enemies" of the faith on Thursday. Ignoring Saudi warnings against political activity, they shouted for Muslim unity. "Death to America, death to Israel," thousands of Iranians shouted inside a huge tent. No security forces were evident as Ayatollah Muhammad Rishari, the representative of Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, led the Iranians. "We need to be purified from our wrongdoings in this haj," Rishari said in a statement. "We need all Muslims, Sunni and Shia, to be unified and focus on the occupation of Palestine, the problems in Iraq and the Afghan occupation."
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Russia has delayed the delivery of the S-300 missile system to Iran due to the pressure imposed on it by Irans adversaries, the commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps said on Wednesday.
This delay is due to the pressure the United States and Israel are exerting on Russia and since the U.S. military sanctions on Iran are serious, (the U.S.) is putting pressure on the Russians, Major General Mohammad-Ali Jafari told the Mehr News Agency. However, the Russians themselves have no problem with the sale of the S-300 system to Iran, he added.
The S-300 system, which can track targets and fire at aircraft 120 kilometers (75 miles) away, features high jamming immunity and is able to simultaneously engage up to 100 targets. The truck-mounted S-300PMU1, known in the West as the SA-20, can shoot down cruise missiles and aircraft. It can fire at targets up to 150 km (90 miles) away and travel at more than two km per second.
Iran says Russia should have delivered the air defense system some six months ago and the delay is apparently the result of Western pressure
"We feel at home here and among our brothers ... we're going to be together until the end," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told his Venezuelan counterpart Hugo Chavez during a visit to Latin America on Wednesday.
Both leaders roundly denounced US "imperialism," and Chavez also called Israel "a murderous arm of the Yankee empire."
Chavez said he had just returned from an unannounced visit to Cuba, where he met with his mentor Fidel Castro as well as President Raul Castro. "They asked me to give you a hug for them," he told Ahmadinejad.
Also during Ahmadinejad's visit, the two leaders agreed on the inception of a direct flight route between Teheran and Caracas, according to a report by AFP.
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*** cough *** ***cough *** .... my memory recalls something but will save for later.
D *** NGED RAINY DAY!
* PAKISTANI DEFENCE FORUM > AFGHAN TALIBAN LEADER: US { + NATO-Allies] FACES ABSOLUTE DEFEAT IN AFGHANISTAN. OUTCOME will NOT change even POTUS BAMMER = US-NATO sends more troops to Afghanistan.
* SAME > IS HEADLEY AN AMERICAN AGENT WHOM WENT ROGUE?; + BBC: APPROXI 19,950 INDIAN "STUDENTS" HAVE POURED INTO BRITAIN IN JUST THE LAST TWO MONTHS [London suspects "students" of covertly being in UK more for LABOR/WORK, than academic = university study].
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
In an op-ed in the Saudi daily Al-Watan, Saudi Prince Saud bin Mansour bin Saud bin 'Abd Al-'Aziz [1] took on Saudi and Arab liberals and reformists and the Western ideal of democracy. Without naming names, he said that these people were promoting Western democracy despite all its flaws and despite the fact that Islam is vastly superior. Calling democracy "demo-khratiyya" (i.e. "demo-mendacity"), the prince said that writers who criticized Saudi Arabia needed an "ideological bloodletting" to purge them of their corrupt ideas. 
(Xinhua) -- Kim Jong Il, top leader of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), met Liang Guanglie, Chinese Defense Minister, here on Wednesday.
The United States and Poland have agreed terms for stationing US troops in Poland so that the deployment of US Patriot missiles can start next year, an official said Thursday.
A deal to release captured IDF soldier Gilad Schalit will likely be concluded next week, according to a Fox News report Friday, which quoted sources close to officials involved in the negotiations. The report added that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu would travel to Germany next week. 
"We feel at home here and among our brothers ... we're going to be together until the end," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told his Venezuelan counterpart Hugo Chavez during a visit to Latin America on Wednesday. 
