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Good morning
Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [304 views] Top|| File under:

#1  with no opposable thumbs, Rin Tin Tin's not going far. What next? Toonces?
Posted by: Frank G || 07/16/2008 8:38 Comments || Top||

#2  What a dog....
Posted by: Spese Lumumba7407 || 07/16/2008 18:12 Comments || Top||

#3  Deh Carl Rove is contact me with next plan of operashuns.
Posted by: .5MT || 07/16/2008 20:07 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan
Afghan Troops Kill Over 150 Insurgents From Pakistan (more info)
H/T The Strata-Sphere.... looks like the situation is heating up
The Afghan National Army (ANA), Afghan border police and US special forces have killed more than 150 fighters, mostly Pakistanis, in a military operation in south eastern Paktika province, a spokesman said Wednesday. "Last night, more than 350 fighters, most of them Pakistanis, entered Afghanistan from Pakistan, and attacked in the Barmal district of south-eastern Paktika province," Ghamai Khan Mohammed Yari told DPA in a telephone interview.

He said the ANA and border police, aided by a coalition airstrike, "counter-attacked the militants and after one hour's fighting, more than 150 insurgents were killed, most of them Pakistani nationals."

"A driver with a truck full of explosive materials also was arrested in Angoor Adah area of Barmal district by Afghan forces. The driver was from Multan area of Pakistan," Yari added.

A press release issued from ISAF headquarter in Kabul said that the NATO-led International Security Assistance Forces (ISAF) responded to an attack from militants Pakistan's Paktika province. "ISAF's Task Force in Paktika province received multiple rocket attacks from militants inside Pakistan on July 15," the press release said.

ISAF troops identified the point of origin of the rocket attacks "and responded in self defence with a combination of fire from attack helicopters and artillery into Pakistan", it added. The NATO-led ISAF press release did not mention anything about casualties in the military operation.
Our troopers get another biggie
In a related development, ISAF forces also said they had killed a Taliban field commander in Kandahar province during an airstrike. "(Mullah) Mahmoud is reported to have commanded more than 250 Taliban fighters and was responsible for many insurgent operations in Kandahar province," an ISAF statement said.

The statement said intelligence had shown several insurgent commanders meeting to regroup their forces and plan further attacks against the Arghandab district and Kandahar city. "Afghan forces established observation of the area and called in an airstrike using ISAF aircraft," the statement said.

"Our troops have the initiative in Kandahar province," Brigadier General Denis Thompson, Commander of Task Force Kandahar, said.

In other developments, an ISAF soldier died of non-combat related causes in Parvan province on Wednesday, ISAF officials said. The nationality of the soldier was not given.
Posted by: Sherry || 07/16/2008 16:18 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [380 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

#1  "Last night, more than 350 fighters, most of them Pakistanis, entered Afghanistan from Pakistan

Common theme here!!!
Posted by: Paul || 07/16/2008 16:35 Comments || Top||

#2  Lovin' it .....
Posted by: Legolas || 07/16/2008 16:46 Comments || Top||

#3  It appears Roggio at the Long War Journal confirms at least some of this activity ...
Posted by: Legolas || 07/16/2008 16:57 Comments || Top||

#4  A little napalm would up the death count, and deter wanna be jihadis.
Posted by: Ebbath Darling of the Poles9166 || 07/16/2008 16:59 Comments || Top||

#5  the ISAF article doesn't mention killing 150 terrorists who had entered astan from pakiland
Posted by: Legolas || 07/16/2008 17:07 Comments || Top||

#6  You can't use napalm any more.


Make it phosphorus.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/16/2008 17:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Rip it up - move down
Rip it up - move it down to the ground
Rip it up - cool down
Rip it up - and get the feeling not the word

Oh everybody have fun tonight
Everybody have fun tonight
Everybody wang chung tonight
Everybody have fun tonight.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/16/2008 17:13 Comments || Top||

#8  More wives for the mullahs.
Posted by: crosspatch || 07/16/2008 18:46 Comments || Top||

#9  re: napalm

Today they are called firebombs. Burning kerosene works quite well. And it's better for the environment!
Posted by: ed || 07/16/2008 18:55 Comments || Top||


US Abandons Remote Outpost
U.S. and Afghan troops have abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine American soldiers this week, officials said Wednesday. U.S. troops armed local police with more than 20 guns before they left, but that the officers had fled the village and crossed into neighboring Kunar province when 100 militants moved into Wanat.

Compounding the military setback, insurgents quickly seized the village of Wanat in Nuristan province after driving out the handful of police left behind to defend government offices, Afghan officials said. Some 50 officers were headed to the area to try to regain control, said Ghoolam Farouq, a senior provincial police official.
With 100 bad guyz in the village? I don't like those odds.
Sunday's attack by some 200 militants armed with machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars was the deadliest for the U.S. military in Afghanistan in three years. Rebels fought their way into the newly established base, wounding another 15 Americans and suffering heavy casualties of their own, before the defenders and warplanes could drive them back.

NATO said the post, which lies amid precipitous mountains close to the Pakistan border, had been vacated, but insisted that international and Afghan troops will "retain a strong presence in that area with patrolling and other means."
Posted by: Bobby || 07/16/2008 06:13 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1001 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

#1  Didn't I read a report about how the US or NATO was sending reinforcements?
Posted by: gorb || 07/16/2008 7:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Quagmire!
Posted by: lotp || 07/16/2008 7:40 Comments || Top||

#3  hope some of you wise folks will comment on this ... don't really get the concept of abandoning the post
Posted by: Legolas || 07/16/2008 8:58 Comments || Top||

#4  It won´t be Stalingrad.
Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 9:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Well, my thinking would be, Talibunnies see it as victory, gather at the outpost to party and that's when the B-1B flies overhead and drops however many thousands of pounds of bombs that thing carries. Our troops come back, count the bodies and give the Talibunnies the finger.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 07/16/2008 9:19 Comments || Top||

#6  Is this where they went?
Posted by: Perfesser || 07/16/2008 9:19 Comments || Top||

#7  It wouldn't be "abandoning", but more of a advancement to a more defensible area. Most likely, the post is exposed and not easily reinforced by air and/or ground. Redeploying to another area to wait for a local "surge" (aka, reinforcements) is the most likely scenario. Unlike the French at Dien Bien Phu, we won't commit to defending an indefeasible position.

Don't worry, we'll be back. And with more kick ass tools and soldiers.
Posted by: DarthVader || 07/16/2008 9:34 Comments || Top||

#8  darth and prefesser ... thanks .... hope that article is true ... its about damn time
Posted by: Legolas || 07/16/2008 9:39 Comments || Top||

#9  From the sense of things from a couple of local platoon and company commanders that just deployed back here (granted they aren't on the border, but you can get a sense of things on a base that has flights to the border for support), that the local US command has had it with the cross border raids that are so like Cambodia during Vietnam and the higher ups have given the green light to get ready to strike back.
Now granted this might be just local camp rumor, but several articles from news sources from around the world seem to confirm it. Now that Iraq is getting on its feet, the military machine of the US is getting ready to put the Pakistani militants out of business.

At least that is what I hope.
Posted by: DarthVader || 07/16/2008 9:48 Comments || Top||

#10  this loss of nine soldiers and this post calls for a review of the local commanders competence.That post should have been covered night and day by cap s either uav or manned and it should not have been possible to mass forces as they apparently did. A real failure of tactical thinking .Does it suggest a shortage of the right kind of air cover available?If so slow down the outposts until it can be done correctly..
Posted by: john e morrissey || 07/16/2008 9:56 Comments || Top||

#11  hope some of you wise folks will comment on this ... don't really get the concept of abandoning the post

You want to kill the enemy. It's not necessarily terrain that is important. Terrain is a tool, not an end. Since we know they can not hold terrain in the face of concentrated American combat power, the best way to get them to stand on Afghan soil, is to present them with 'bait' they can not refuse, particularly when they're engaged in 'war by media'. Force or entice them to mass and they present an easier target and reveal their routes and base[s] of operations. An abandoned isolated base is a great target for arc lighting with a lot less civies around. Baby ducks, bunny rabbits and unicorns, not so much. It does wonders in clearing out the rookies they've assembled in the off season that have been called to the majors for a shot.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 07/16/2008 10:00 Comments || Top||

#12  Ditto Morrissey. Lots of smoke in the teepee on this one I'm afraid.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/16/2008 10:00 Comments || Top||

#13  Pakistan has and will always be an enemy of the USA/West!!!
Posted by: Paul || 07/16/2008 10:05 Comments || Top||

#14  This loss of nine soldiers and this post calls for a review of the local commanders competence.

Can't defend everywhere.

A small, remote post most likely was an Observation Point that NATO was using to peer into Pakland to keep tabs on what was going on. The soldiers would have had orders to bug out at the first sign of people coming up, or if their position was compromised, to hole up and wait for the bombers.
Most likely (and I'm speaking from my old Infantry doctrine here) is that a platoon sized element was there and only was putting out minimal patrols to keep their presence quiet. A local most likely told the talibunnies they were there and the talibunnies sneaked into position during the night and did a massive human wave attack to surprise the defenders.
The tactic would have worked against local troops, or policemen. But against US soldiers that will fight hard and can call in heavier guns, at best you have a 50-50 chance in the first 10 minutes to do the most damage. If you don't get the US soldiers after that, bug out. The talibunnies apparently had their blood up and paid the price when the Americans recovered, stood their ground and then the bombers showed up.
The question that stands out for me is, "Why this post?" Were they trying to keep us blind to this area? Good Attack of Opportunity for PR? Local warlord insulted by the US presence because he has a small wang?

Either way, the outcome is our full attention is brought to that area and the talibunnies died in droves and it proved to the rest of the Afghans and Paklanders in that area, that our troops are not paper tigers.
Posted by: DarthVader || 07/16/2008 10:08 Comments || Top||

#15  DarthVader,
This is where they were. To put it nicely, Sun Tzu would not have advised defending that position. They were overlooked by the village of Wanat on three sides, the villagers were hostile, the terrorists had the advantage of local knowlage from the villagers. The Allies have now abandoned the outpost, but they should never gone in. I hope the village has been razed, including the mosque.
Posted by: tipper || 07/16/2008 11:01 Comments || Top||

#16  45 US troops, 25 Afghani vs about 500 Talib, Al Qaeda and locals. Not good odds.

The troops had been there less than 3 days.

Coordinated assault from 3 side, covering fire, etc.

I say raze the villages, because they men in them stayed behind to fight for the talib.

Send in a battalion, and some D-3s.
Posted by: OldSpook || 07/16/2008 11:15 Comments || Top||

#17  Oldspook I was thinking more along those lines, maybe something else is up
Posted by: Legolas || 07/16/2008 11:23 Comments || Top||

#18  In Algeria? That is where that Google map leads...

You always have to assume the villagers will be hostile, or at least a source of information for the enemy. The lack of a quick egress rout seems to be the main failure here. We were always trained to operate behind enemy lines and the first thing we looked at in setting up a OP is how we get the hell out quickly with multiple overwatch sites and a nearby LZ if we need to call for evacuation.
Posted by: DarthVader || 07/16/2008 12:05 Comments || Top||

#19  Dittoes three john e morrissey.
Posted by: Red Dawg || 07/16/2008 12:52 Comments || Top||

#20  DV, sorry about that, tried again and the linky didn't work..strange.
Anyhow try this:
http://tinyurl.com/5r34du
Hit satellite and move adjustment down one tick.
The point I was obliquely trying to make was that it resembled Dien Bien Phu too much.
http://tinyurl.com/63dsq6
Posted by: tipper || 07/16/2008 13:18 Comments || Top||

#21  As an old Cav Scut, OP/LP is soemthing these guys woudl have been doing from the COP. And that is liekly the reason the Taliban doesnt want the COP there. Had they been able to set up, register supprot fires, etc, then reinforce, that COP would have been able to send otu effective LP/OP teams, and set remote sensors, etc- essentally locking down that sector, opening any infiltrators to interdicting fires.

I say watch and see how we come back into that are.
Posted by: OldSpook || 07/16/2008 14:21 Comments || Top||

#22  Precisely correct Spook.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/16/2008 14:26 Comments || Top||

#23  What about the motion detectors, infrared locaters, and disclosing trip wires that are available to protect a small base?
Posted by: Ebbath Darling of the Poles9166 || 07/16/2008 17:02 Comments || Top||

#24  The most amazing thing to me is that the Talibs were able to approch the outpost at all for a surprise attack. Wasn't there a defensive perimeter set up around the camp (of course, I don't know the terrain - this might not have been possible for that location). In any case, even if we cannot intrude into the high holy soverign shithole of Pakland, why isn't everything goatpath-sized and above on the Afganistan side mined to hell and back, with more mines on the mines (again, the terran might make this impossible, but lets do what we can). Any tunnels should be immediately collapsed as well. I will not accept any sob-stories regarding poor civilians having to use them as trade routes, etc.. We know who the enemy is and where they come from; let's just announce that as of some date anyone using that area will automaticaly be considered a hostile. Destroying the roach nest would definitely be best, but destroying their means of ingress and egress will have to do for now as second best.
Posted by: Jumbo Ularong5413 || 07/16/2008 17:24 Comments || Top||

#25  It may be that the site for the new base was undefendable and HAD to be abandoned. But in any case, the local Jihadis must be wildly overconfident. That's gotta be worth something.
Posted by: Bin thinking again || 07/16/2008 18:37 Comments || Top||

#26  Darth and Procopius make sense, but still horrible news of 9 dead.

The other most interesting fact is the short presence - actually sounds like we're on the move and an advance party got caught.

The better news - the article from the Times, and the learning opportunities this presents, particularly if we have enough intel to achieve any sort of encirclement along with the incursion into the non-national, unsovereign FATA.
Posted by: Angemp Ghibelline7503 || 07/16/2008 19:44 Comments || Top||

#27  The other most interesting fact is the short presence - actually sounds like we're on the move and an advance party got caught.
Don't becloud us with another view.

Posted by: .5MT || 07/16/2008 20:11 Comments || Top||

#28  The first thing I thought of when I read this was what Viet Nam era moron failed to learn his lessons regarding firebases and losing lives to defend a position you're just going to give back to the enemy when it's over anyay?

I'm still in that camp. If this position was indefensible, why was it so, why did it cost 9 American lives and 15 more wounded to figure that out, and, after that high cost, why wasn't it defended with everything in the US arsenal including turning this village to rubble and making the rubble bounce?

Te firebase concept being used in Afghanistan was proven to be outmoded and essentially indefensible more than 30 years ago. Will we never learn?

Posted by: FOTSGreg || 07/16/2008 20:18 Comments || Top||

#29  ... the local US command has had it with the cross border raids that are so like Cambodia during Vietnam ...


Let's hope we handle the Paks and the Talibunnies better than we handled the NVA. No sanctuaries, no announcing our missions in advance, and no proportionate response. If we're going to hit 'em, hit 'em hard, without warning, and where they aren't looking.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/16/2008 21:16 Comments || Top||

#30  hit 'em hard, without warning, and where they aren't looking

I'm very OK with them looking, and soiling themselves as the strong horse smites their pissant lives
Posted by: Frank G || 07/16/2008 21:29 Comments || Top||


NATO massing forces on Pak Border
HT to Gateway Pundit! I'm doing the "believe it when I see it" thing
  • Villagers and officials say hundreds of coalition troops, tanks and APCs airlifted to border area
  • ISPR spokesman says media creating 'unnecessary hype' about troop movement
  • Pakistan Army deployed along border placed on high alert
  • Taliban spokesman says proximity makes it easier to kill more US soldiers
    heh...up close and personal death to Taliwhackers
    By Haji Mujtaba
    MIRANSHAH: A build up of Western coalition forces on the Afghan border spread alarm among villagers in North Waziristan on Tuesday, as residents and officials said that the Pakistan Army was gearing up for "any eventuality".
    "prepare to flee"
    If "any eventuality" includes war with the U.S. then it's time for the Paks to take a deep breath and count to 10. They've never won a war. We've won several. But I suspect this is more a case of whipping up the rubes and viewing with alarm than an actual push into North Wazoo.
    Villagers and officials, requesting anonymity, said that hundreds of coalition troops had been airlifted to a border area near the Lawara village. "The coalition troops have started to strengthen their positions after setting up camp in the border areas adjacent to the Pak-Afghan border and US helicopters have been spotted hovering over target areas as support," officials said.
    and psyops
    Reports from Afghanistan have said that helicopters have been transporting tanks and armoured personnel carriers (APCs) to Sarobagh and other landing strips in the Khost province, which neighbours the Tribal Areas. A villager said he could clearly see the troops.
    "Yeah! I seen 'em! They wuz big 'uns, too!"
    "They were brought by helicopters. They are at the zero point," Akmal Khan, a resident of Lawara, told Reuters, referring to the disputed international boundary. The deployment is near Camp Tillman, a forward operating base for US forces.
    Camp Tillman, huh?
    Unnecessary: Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General Major General Athar Abbas played down concerns by saying it was probably a routine movement and the media had created "unnecessary hype".
    Sure. We often move large amounts of men and materiel to remote Afghan villages.
    According to APP, he told Dawn News that the movements were restricted to within Afghan territory and were in preparation for an exercise or operation there. "We closely monitor all such moves so nothing occurs too close to the border. Certainly, we have co-ordination and communication with each other," he added.
    "We're on top of it, really! Why, right now I'm headed off to my office in Lahore to coordinate the coverage!"
    High alert: However, officials told Daily Times that the Pakistan Army deployed along the Pak-Afghan border has been placed on high alert in case of any infiltration.
    "getcher curly-toed track shoes on, boyz"
    A spokesman for the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan said there was no question of entering Pakistan. "Our mandate stops at the border," spokesman Captain Mike Finney said. There was some "extra activity" on the border with troops searching for surviving insurgents after Sunday's attack that killed nine US troops, he told AFP.

    Welcome: Meanwhile, Bajaur Taliban spokesman Maulvi Omar welcomed the build up on the border as a chance to kill more Americans. "It's a gift that they're coming here on our land and making it easy for us to kill our enemies, the enemies of Muslims," he told Reuters.
    Of course, Maulvi won't be anywhere near the killing, and would report thousands of Americans dead regardless, but I think the Talibs will get their chances at doe-eyed sheep virgins
    In a separate statement to The Associated Press, he criticised a statement by Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani that had acknowledged the presence of foreign fighters in the Tribal Areas. "We will consider Prime Minister Gilani our enemy if the NATO or Pakistani security forces attack us after his baseless claim," he said.

    The new government has promised to do whatever it can to secure the border with Afghanistan.
    Short of hunting down Baitullah Mehsud and killing him or tossing Maulvi Omar into the clink for 180 years.
    However, a series of incidents along the border, including drone aircraft missile attacks, have fueled fears that the US military may be moving to a more offensive strategy in Pakistani territory.
    This article starring:
    Camp Tillman
    Khost province
    Lawara village
    North Waziristan
    Sarobagh
    Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General Major General Athar Abbas
    MAULVI OMARTaliban
    Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani
    spokesman Captain Mike Finney
  • Posted by: Frank G || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1357 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

    #1  WORLDNEWS > AL QAEDA HAS FOUND THREE SAFE HAVENS FOR TERROR TRAINING. Pakistan, Algeria, + Somalia.
    ALGERIA = AQ IN THE ISLAMIC MAGHREB is now in the forefront of AQ operations, although an estimated 2000 AQ Militants remain in thier core base inside Pakistan.
    Posted by: JosephMendiola || 07/16/2008 1:35 Comments || Top||

    #2  Ya know what would be fun? If India decided to hold some "exercises" somewhere in the North. Maybe a couple reviews of troops, a tank drill or two, maybe some drone displays. Lots of bunting, brass bands and a smattering of sashes-n-sprockets.
    Posted by: Seafarious || 07/16/2008 2:22 Comments || Top||

    #3  Ya know what would be fun? If India decided to hold some "exercises" somewhere in the North. Maybe a couple reviews of troops, a tank drill or two, maybe some drone displays. Lots of bunting, brass bands and a smattering of sashes-n-sprockets.

    heh heh.. you are on to something there Sea... the Paki Military brass would melt down..
    Posted by: Red Dawg || 07/16/2008 2:49 Comments || Top||

    #4  Everybody loves a parade, Dawg.

    I know I do.
    Posted by: Seafarious || 07/16/2008 2:55 Comments || Top||

    #5  Sea for Sec. of State! You're a creative thinker with a machiavellian streak. Can't imagine better qualifications. ;-)
    Posted by: Spike Uniter || 07/16/2008 3:15 Comments || Top||

    #6  ;)
    Posted by: Red Dawg || 07/16/2008 3:47 Comments || Top||

    #7  "hundreds" = "massing"?
    Posted by: Spot || 07/16/2008 7:57 Comments || Top||

    #8  NATO may be putting out a press release to let the Taliban know for several reasons.

    First, to try and get a flood of fighters to concentrate on the other side of the border. That is why they are emphasizing "hundreds" of NATO, figuring that the bad guyz will be able to muster "thousands" so will think they can overwhelm NATO.

    From that point, they either flood across the border into the arms of NATO, or are within range of a cross border air or indirect fire attack. Either way, a bunch of them get whacked.
    Posted by: Anonymoose || 07/16/2008 10:06 Comments || Top||

    #9  Or is this a possible feint to cover a more stealthy operation somewhere else?
    Posted by: charger || 07/16/2008 10:19 Comments || Top||

    #10  This would be what?

    The 49th Italian Transportation Company, the 1031st French Airborne Bakery Detail, the 2nd German Military Police Platoon, The 9th British Mobile Aid Station, and the US 10th Mountian division?
    Posted by: Kelly || 07/16/2008 10:36 Comments || Top||

    #11  Don't forget the fighting 515th Heavy Belgian Barbers ...
    Posted by: Steve White || 07/16/2008 10:45 Comments || Top||

    #12  ...or the 356th Mechanized Royal Dutch Chocolatiers.
    Posted by: Rex Mundi || 07/16/2008 11:53 Comments || Top||

    #13  Scratch the bakery detail, the smeel of fresh bread would be too much of a tipoff.
    Posted by: charger || 07/16/2008 12:38 Comments || Top||

    #14  Sounds like setting up for a merry round of fis-in-a-barrel. We be the fish. The True Believers come to destroy us and find themselves fighting barracudas. I hope it's something like this.
    Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 07/16/2008 13:55 Comments || Top||

    #15  I smell a big can of whoop ass!
    Posted by: Legolas || 07/16/2008 16:53 Comments || Top||

    #16  Joe (Comment #1) is on to a good read:

    http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1030061/Armageddon-Britain-A-detailed-insight-terrorist-attack-Britain-happen-day-warning.html?ITO=1490
    Posted by: Uncle Phester || 07/16/2008 17:14 Comments || Top||

    #17  ever hear of tinyurl?

    mods.. the above comment is blowing up all the formatting on this page
    Posted by: Abu do you love || 07/16/2008 22:06 Comments || Top||


    Joint al Qaeda and Taliban force behind Kunar base attack
    By Bill Roggio
    Yesterday's deadly complex attack on a joint US and Afghan outpost in Kunar province was carried out by a large, mixed force of Taliban, al Qaeda, and allied extremist groups operating eastern Afghanistan.

    Sunday's assault occurred just three days after 45 US soldiers, likely from the 173rd Airborne Brigade, and 25 Afghan troops established a new combat outpost in the town of Wanat. The troops had little time to learn the lay of the land, establish local contacts, and build an intelligence network. The fortifications were not fully completed, according to initial reports.

    A complex attack
    The assault was carried out in the early morning of July 13 after the extremist forces, numbering between 200 and 500 fighters, took over a neighboring village. "What they [the Taliban] did was they moved into an adjacent village - which was close to the combat outpost - they basically expelled the villagers and used their houses to attack us," an anonymous senior Afghan defense ministry official told Al Jazeera. Tribesmen in the town stayed behind "and helped the insurgents during the fight," General Mohammad Qasim Jangalbagh, the provincial police chief, told The Associated Press.

    The Taliban force then conducted a complex attack, coordinating a ground assault with supporting fires. Approximately 100 enemy fighters were reported to have moved close to the base while under a heavy barrage of machinegun fire, rocket-propelled grenades, and mortars. The fighters advanced on the outpost from three sides.

    Taliban fighters breached the outer perimeter of the outpost but were repelled. US troops called in artillery, helicopter, and air support to help beat back the attacking force. Casualties were heavy on both sides, with nine US soldiers and 40 Taliban fighters killed during the assault. Fifteen US and four Afghan soldiers were also wounded in the attack...
    Whole story at the link...
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [328 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda

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    #3  Some napalm would have discouraged a second attempt, but we're being too "nice" in this war. I'm disgusted with the entire US/NATO chain of command for being so stupid and PC. We need to start firing some generals and admirals and replacing them with people with both intelligence and spine who aren't infected with PC bullshit.
    Posted by: Old Patriot || 07/16/2008 14:29 Comments || Top||


    Africa Horn
    Somalia: 5th World Food Program worker slain
    A World Food Program contractor was gunned down in the fifth fatal attack this year on one of the agency's workers, the WFP said Tuesday as thousands of Somalis gathered to protest the assaults.

    Most members of the crowd that assembled outside the capital, Mogadishu, had been driven from their homes by the country's seemingly unending violence. "We have been forced to live in the open, we have no shelter from the sun and the rain, and now they are killing and abducting our helpers?" said protester Said Dahiro. "It is unacceptable."

    The Somali staff member of a WFP-contracted trucking company was shot in the southern town of Buale on Sunday, WFP Country Director Peter Goossens said. The victim, who had been working to help WFP shipments pass militia checkpoints, was the fifth staff member of a WFP-contracted trucking company killed in Somalia this year, Goossens said. "We condemn these shootings, and are very concerned that growing insecurity threatens to sabotage the humanitarian response in Somalia," Goossens said.

    Violence against aid workers in Somalia has dramatically increased in the past few weeks. In addition to the killings, at least four aid workers have been kidnapped recently. It is unclear who is behind the killings, since many factions in Somalia's chaotic war stand to benefit from them.

    Powerful local leaders have previously complained that aid workers are feeding Islamic insurgents who had sworn to fight the government. Insurgents have also targeted Somalis affiliated with foreign organizations in the past. The problem has been compounded by the growth of professional kidnapping rings, who security experts say have been encouraged by the large ransoms paid by foreigners to release ships taken by pirates.

    The Islamists vowed to fight an Iraq-style insurgency against the government and its Ethiopian allies in December 2006, after Ethiopian troops dislodged the Islamists from the capital and much of the territory in southern Somalia they had held for six months.

    Thousands of civilians have been killed in the fighting and hundreds of thousands have fled the capital. Over 2 million people in the arid, impoverished country are dependent on food aid. Control of aid, used to buy loyalty from militiamen, has often provoked fighting among Somalia's powerful clan-based warlords since they toppled a socialist dictator in 1991. The country has not had a functioning government since then.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [338 views] Top|| File under: Islamic Courts

    #1  I knew that Somalia is a S***hole, but Fifth World? That's harsh. LOL


    And yeah, I know. :)
    Posted by: Bin thinking again || 07/16/2008 7:53 Comments || Top||

    #2  Somalia mainly a twig-age people.
    Posted by: .5MT || 07/16/2008 9:06 Comments || Top||

    #3  Not being put on the menu. An occupational hazard for African 'food program' workers,
    Posted by: Besoeker || 07/16/2008 10:03 Comments || Top||

    #4  The good news is that there is a marvelously simple way to prevent any more WFP casualties.
    Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/16/2008 10:42 Comments || Top||

    #5  I see the 'Baguettes for Bandaliers' food program continues, too bad this worker couldn't khat his way past the checkpoint. I understand the humanitarian mission but without security they are making the situation worse by feeding and supplying barter goods to these murderers.
    Posted by: swksvolFF || 07/16/2008 12:40 Comments || Top||

    #6  I personally think that Ethiopia and everyone else not a native Somali pull out of the place, let whoever wants to take control, and nuke the place until there's nothing left but glowing glass. Somalia takes up far more resources than it's worth. That includes "puntland".
    Posted by: Old Patriot || 07/16/2008 14:32 Comments || Top||

    #7  Yep. Ethiopia needs sea access.
    Posted by: ed || 07/16/2008 14:36 Comments || Top||


    UN withdraws Sudan staff
    The UN was pulling non-essential staff from Darfur yesterday as Islamist protesters rallied behind Sudanese President Omar Al Bashir over allegations he masterminded a campaign of genocide in the region.

    Fears of a violent backlash have mounted since the International Criminal Court chief prosecutor on Monday sought an arrest warrant against Bashir on 10 counts including war crimes and the use of rape to commit genocide in Darfur.

    United Nations chief Ban Ki-moon renewed his call for Khartoum to protect UN personnel after an international prosecutor sought the arrest of Sudan's president for alleged genocide.

    "I again urge the government to fully cooperate with the United Nations," Ban said.

    The African Union-United Nations peacekeeping mission, meanwhile, said it would be flying out non-essential staff to Ethiopia and Uganda, despite pledges from Sudan to protect peacekeepers and aid workers in the country.

    Africa reacted with alarm to the prospect of the president being slapped with an arrest warrant for war crimes and slammed the global justice system as hasty, interventionist and biased.

    US President George W Bush said he wanted to see how an international prosecutor's arrest warrant for Bashir "plays out," but that Khartoum could face more sanctions.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [352 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Sudan

    #1  Typical UN solution. After issuing dire declarations for years, once any of their cadre is on scene and get their asses kicked, they immediately surrender and withdraw. Really great way to solve genocidal problems. F**ktards.
    Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2700 || 07/16/2008 11:34 Comments || Top||

    #2  I try not to buy into the tinfoil brigade propaganda, but doesn't it seem extremely coincidental that anywhere in Africa that has oil also seems to have muslim problems, and the Chinese just "happen" to be nearby? Of course, the Chinese are also heavily invested in Zimbobway, which has the richest mineral deposits per land area in all of Africa. China, muslims and failed african states seem to find a common ground throughout the continent.
    Posted by: Old Patriot || 07/16/2008 14:35 Comments || Top||


    Bangladesh
    4 grenades, ammo found in Khulna
    Workers of Khulna City Corporation found four grenades and 50 bullets of 0.303 rifles while working near Tayeba Colony at Khalishpur around noon yesterday. The grenades and bullets were found buried three feet under the ground, Khalishpur Police Station sources said adding that the workers were digging to disconnect illegal water supply connections. Senior officials of Khulna Metropolitan Police visited the spot. Police said they have launched an investigation in this connection.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [330 views] Top|| File under: Global Jihad


    Home Front: WoT
    WaPo Takes the Obamessiah to the Woodshed over Iraq speech
    H/T Instapundit. Remarkably unsparing criticism of The Anointed One. And pretty gutsy considering the WaPo's target audience...
    Barack Obama yesterday accused President Bush and Sen. John McCain of rigidity on Iraq: "They said we couldn't leave when violence was up, they say we can't leave when violence is down." Mr. Obama then confirmed his own foolish consistency. Early last year, when the war was at its peak, the Democratic candidate proposed a timetable for surrender and defeat withdrawing all U.S. combat forces in slightly more than a year. Yesterday, with bloodshed at its lowest level since the war began, Mr. Obama endorsed the same plan. After hinting earlier this month that he might "refine" his Iraq strategy after visiting the country and listening to commanders, Mr. Obama appears to have decided that sticking to his arbitrary, 16-month timetable is more important than adjusting to the dramatic changes in Iraq.
    WHACK! POW!
    At the time he first proposed his timetable, Mr. Obama argued -- wrongly, as it turned out -- that U.S. troops could not stop a sectarian civil war. He conceded that a withdrawal might be accompanied by a "spike" in violence. Now, he describes as "an achievable goal" that "we leave Iraq to a government that is taking responsibility for its future -- a government that prevents sectarian conflict and ensures that the al-Qaeda threat which has been beaten back by our troops does not reemerge." How will that "true success" be achieved? By the same pullout that Mr. Obama proposed when chaos in Iraq appeared to him inevitable.
    BIFF! BAM! THUMP!
    "What's missing in our debate," Mr. Obama said yesterday, "is a discussion of the strategic consequences of Iraq." Indeed: The message that the Democrat sends is that he is ultimately indifferent to the war's outcome -- that Iraq "distracts us from every threat we face" and thus must be speedily evacuated regardless of the consequences.
    Here's the only part where WaPo got it wrong. The Sacred One and his robot army of supporters are anything BUT indifferent to the war's outcome. To the contrary, they're utterly committed to a helicopters-on-the-embassy-roof scenario.
    Posted by: Glineque Croluque8558 || 07/16/2008 11:33 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [483 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  LOL Good in-line commentary.
    Posted by: ryuge || 07/16/2008 16:57 Comments || Top||

    #2  I think what's almost as telling as the op-ed's content is its timing. There have been other, more tepid criticisms of The Lightworker (ex.: the public-financing flip flop) in the MSM, almost all of which were confined to the weekend news cycle. The WaPo fired this shot across the bow in the middle of the workweek, when it would be more likely to be read and discussed by more of the citizenry.
    Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) || 07/16/2008 19:54 Comments || Top||

    #3  Obama can't bring himself to break from his radical leftist support base. They still believe that defeat in Iraq will be blamed on Bush, the evil one. Somewhere they forgot that Bush ain't running, and all but the most deranged anti-Bushers realize the leftist (Obama) have been completely wrong on Iraq at every step. So they, and thier condidate, continue in step.
    Posted by: Hank || 07/16/2008 22:26 Comments || Top||


    Alleged Al-Qaeda Driver Testifies on Interrogation Tactics
    Salim Ahmed Hamdan, the alleged al-Qaeda driver who faces an historic military trial next week, testified Tuesday that a female interrogator elicited information from him using sexually suggestive behavior that was offensive to him.

    Hamdan, a former driver for Osama bin Laden, told a military court conducting a pretrial hearing that during questioning in 2002 a woman interrogator "came close to me, she came very close, with her whole body towards me. I couldn't do anything. I was afraid of the soldiers.''

    "Did she touch your thigh?," asked Hamdan's lawyer, Charles Swift.

    "Yes...I said to her 'what do you want?'' Hamdan said. "She said 'I want you to answer all of my questions.'''

    "Did you answer all of her questions after that?'' Swift asked. Hamdan said he did.

    Hamdan's lawyers are seeking to convince a judge to throw out incriminating statements Hamdan allegedly gave to interrogators at the military prison here, arguing that they were obtained through coercive interrogation tactics. His trial, scheduled for Monday, would be the first military commission conducted by the United States in more than half a century.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [313 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda

    #1  Surreal.
    Posted by: gorb || 07/16/2008 3:20 Comments || Top||

    #2  That's not a standard Penthouse Letters fantasy?
    Posted by: trailing wife || 07/16/2008 6:46 Comments || Top||

    #3  "I was humiliated by my tiny chubby"
    Posted by: Frank G || 07/16/2008 8:13 Comments || Top||

    #4  Next time, tab his ZamZam with acid and send in the talking goat.
    Posted by: tu3031 || 07/16/2008 8:55 Comments || Top||

    #5  or a walrus:
    "The time has come," the Walrus said,
    "To talk of many things:
    Of Joooos--and ships--and sealing-wax--
    Of cabbages--and kings--
    And why the sea is boiling hot--
    And whether pigs have wings."
    Posted by: Frank G || 07/16/2008 8:59 Comments || Top||

    #6  The insidious "American Lap Dance Torture".
    Posted by: Formerly Dan || 07/16/2008 11:35 Comments || Top||

    #7  "Did you answer all of her questions after that?'' Swift asked. Hamdan said he did.

    Notice that he caved over something this insignificant? Do any of their man have any kind of self control? No wonder all their women are in the bag.
    Posted by: tu3031 || 07/16/2008 13:27 Comments || Top||

    #8  Touching story.
    Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 07/16/2008 13:35 Comments || Top||

    #9  Gimmie a break. this is "coercive"? Hell, anything is coercive in interrogation, that's the whole point of it. Hang the pos and give his lawyer 40 whacks with Lizzie Borden's bloody axe.
    Posted by: Old Patriot || 07/16/2008 14:38 Comments || Top||

    #10  We all have seen pre 9-11 videos of Al-Qaeda terrorists driving around Afghanistan in Toyota pickups. For those who don't know, 200 of same were given to the Taliban by the Islamic Republic of Saudi Arabia.
    Posted by: Ebbath Darling of the Poles9166 || 07/16/2008 17:05 Comments || Top||

    #11  "Sure, we would use nails, power tools - heh my favorite was this device we rigged up where a broken bottle was attached to the end of a power drill, wow that did the job. Oh, and ever play infidel darts? Ya get a nail gun and stand 10 cubits off and...oh..what they did to me? Well some cat food - er, unveiled temptress - touched me near my allan bits. Snorkeling, definately off the table. The worse was that video with the talking sheep, you know like in Babe, asking me overheated questions. Thats when I broke." (trails off into whimpers and moans)
    Posted by: swksvolFF || 07/16/2008 17:15 Comments || Top||

    #12  I guess that NVA prison guard is right, John Mc Cain was never tortured. He never made hin wear women's panties on his head or made him look at naked women's boobies!
    Posted by: bruce || 07/16/2008 17:22 Comments || Top||


    India-Pakistan
    Afghan NATO force hits targets inside Pakistan
    All righty then...
    KABUL (Reuters) - NATO forces in Afghanistan hit targets inside Pakistan with artillery and attack helicopters after coming under rocket fire from across the border, the alliance said on Wednesday. Troops from NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) "received multiple rocket attacks from militants inside Pakistan, July 15," the alliance said in a statement."The troops identified a (compound) as the point of origin of the attacks and responded in self-defence with a combination of fire from attack helicopters and artillery into Pakistan."

    Nine Afghan soldiers were wounded by the rocket attacks and ISAF responded immediately, an ISAF spokesman said. ISAF and the Pakistani army "coordinated their operation closely from the outset. The Pakistani military agreed to assist and search the area if the border firing continued," the statement said.

    Despite cooperation and open lines of communication between army commanders on both sides of the border, Afghan leaders have blamed Pakistani agents for a string of attacks. These have included a suicide bomb on the Kabul Indian Embassy last week that killed 58 people and an April assassination bid on President Hamid Karzai. Pakistan rejects the accusations and says the Afghan government is trying to deflect criticism of its own failure to stem the rising tide of Taliban violence.

    The U.S. military, which provides the vast majority of troops in eastern Afghanistan, says attacks are up by 40 percent in the area over the last year, partly because of increased penetration of their soldiers into the mountainous region. Another factor is the ceasefires in Pakistan which help secure the militants' rear.

    But while cross-border firing has gone up from both sides, NATO denied it had any intention of mounting any incursion onto Pakistani soil."There is not, nor is there going to be, an incursion of NATO troops into Pakistan. There is no planning for, no mandate for, an incursion of NATO troops into Pakistan," NATO spokesman James Appathurai told a news briefing in Brussels. But, he said, NATO troops "have the right to fire back in self-defence into Pakistan."
    Posted by: tu3031 || 07/16/2008 13:29 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [342 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  MOAB, please!
    Posted by: anymouse || 07/16/2008 14:33 Comments || Top||

    #2  Now that they have experience with being on the receiving end of videotape evidence, I wonder if they are going to be so quick to judge this time.
    Posted by: gorb || 07/16/2008 15:30 Comments || Top||


    'US poised to bomb Pakistan'
    LONDON / ISLAMABAD: US troops in Afghanistan are massing close to the border with Pakistan, poised to launch bombing raids on suspected terrorist bases in the North Waziristan region, British and Pakistani newspapers reported Wednesday.

    The Times said troops have been airlifted from the village of Lowara Mandi and that heavy artillery and armoured vehicles were also being moved into position for possible cross-border attacks on Pakistan.

    The paper said US Admiral Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, during a visit to Islamabad at the weekend, had told Pakistan's top civil and military leadership that the US could take unilateral military action if Pakistan were unable to stop cross-border attacks in Afghanistan. Mullen also said some elements within Pakistani security agencies could be helping insurgents operate from their bases in the border region, the paper quoted well-placed sources as saying.

    The Times quoted an influential Pakistani army official as saying there were strong indications the US was ready to launch bombing raids against suspected Al-Qaeda and Taliban camps inside Pakistan.

    The Pakistani newspaper The News quoted official and tribal sources in the North Waziristan area as saying NATO troops had started arriving near the border areas on Monday night. "Some of them had been brought in choppers and others by armoured personnel carriers. The troops had also shifted heavy arms and ammunition including tanks, heavy machine guns and artillery to the border," Haji Yaqub, a resident of the border town of Ghulam Khan, said.

    The NATO troops have been deployed near the border towns of Ghulam Khan, Saidgai, Shawal and Mir Safar. "They started setting up bunkers very close to the border while gunship helicopters are continuously hovering over the border," said a man named Roohullah, a resident of the border town of Saidgai.

    He said he had never before seen such a large deployment of foreign troops near the border. "For us, it's unusual as they are on the zero point," Roohullah said, adding that the foreign troops had not crossed the border thus far.

    The News quoted its sources as saying NATO troops had dug trenches at Mughalgai near Zhawar, the training camp of Afghan Mujahideen commander Maulvi Jalaluddin Haqqani, in Khost near Pakistan's Saidgai town.

    Another bunker was established at Gurbaz near Tarkhobi area of Khost, close to Pakistan's Ghulam Khan town. Trenches were also dug close to Mir Safar and Shawal towns of NWA.

    NATO forces had planned to set up four new military camps along the border in the Taliban-dominated provinces of Khost and Paktika in Afghanistan, The News quoted its sources as saying. "They planned establishing four new military camps along the border and this latest deployment of the foreign troops was first step of the future planning," the sources added.

    Meanwhile, Pakistani Taliban spokesman Maulvi Omar has said that Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's recent statements have provided the US-led NATO forces with an opportunity to deploy near the tribal areas. "When a responsible person like the prime minister has himself said that foreign militants were hiding in Pakistani tribal areas and could cause another 9/11 like disaster, then who will stop American forces from invading the country?" Omar wondered.
    Posted by: || 07/16/2008 10:56 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [494 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

    #1  If we are to believe Eli Lake this would be Hussain's strategy. This will be the acid test, if he backs attacking Pakistan, then I will have to change my mind about him. However I don't think it will happen, more likely Eli will be thrown under the Bus.
    Posted by: tipper || 07/16/2008 11:37 Comments || Top||

    #2  US troops in Afghanistan are massing close to the border with Pakistan, poised to launch bombing raids on suspected terrorist bases in the North Waziristan region"

    Uhhhhhhhhh, "troops massed....poised for bombing raids?" I missed that techniques at the Naval War College. Better turn in my JPME Phase I.
    Posted by: anymouse || 07/16/2008 12:11 Comments || Top||

    #3  There are a couple of reasons you might mass prior to a bombing raid. (1) To move in after thing are destroyed to help or root out the ones you want (2) there is no raid but you want the bad guys to hunker down in place so they'll be there when your troops arrive.
    Posted by: rjschwarz || 07/16/2008 12:35 Comments || Top||

    #4  rjschwarz...Understood. But we don't have the boots on the ground to execute that sort of mission; In addition that part of the world does not geographically lend itself to that sort of operation either. In any case, I was being snarky. :)
    Posted by: anymouse || 07/16/2008 12:56 Comments || Top||

    #5  If you really wanna fuck with them, have the Indians stack up on their side of the border too.
    Posted by: tu3031 || 07/16/2008 12:59 Comments || Top||

    #6  developing
    Posted by: tipper || 07/16/2008 13:26 Comments || Top||

    #7  TU3031. Maybe we could induce the Chicoms to stack up also--Pakistan would really get the undies in a wad. To stabilize Afghanistan, something is going to have to be done about the border areas of Pakistan. We can't have AQ and the Taliban bleeding us. They will have to pay a significant price. Leadereship will have to be targeted. Hekmatyar and Haqqania and others will have to be persuaded to give up there ways (euphemism for being seriously targeted in Pakistan). Besides these guys are poisoning the world with heroin to finance their chicanery. No more 911s planned in Afghanistan or Pakistan. There can't be any sanctuaries.
    Posted by: JohnQC || 07/16/2008 14:30 Comments || Top||

    #8  JohnQC--

    Chicoms stacking up against Pakistan?? What in the world would entice them to do that? That would be a first--sort of like us stacking up against Canada. Pakistan's always been buddies with the Chicoms, bordering on subservience.
    Posted by: sludge || 07/16/2008 15:22 Comments || Top||

    #9  Just messin around sludge. Just a joke with TU.
    Posted by: JohnQC || 07/16/2008 15:32 Comments || Top||

    #10  We should tell the ChiComs to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the cleanout of Waziristan or Bush will avoid the opening cerimonies of the Olympics and make them lose face.
    Posted by: rjschwarz || 07/16/2008 20:26 Comments || Top||

    #11  Interesting use of the term "border" in this and accompanying articles. It doesn't seem to mean the same thing to the various folks quoted, and sometimes to the same person quoted at different times.

    It reminds one of what Colin Powell said back in GWI about throwing the rock and hiding the hand.
    Posted by: Angemp Ghibelline7503 || 07/16/2008 21:04 Comments || Top||

    #12  Meanwhile...



    Indian Air Force SU-30 MKIs fly over the Atlantic Ocean en route to the United States to participate in Red Flag, an aerial training exercise.


    Indian Air Force's SU-30 MKIs being refuelled
    over the active volcano of Mount Etna in Sicily enroute to USA for Exercise 'Red Flag' on Tuesday.
    Posted by: john frum || 07/16/2008 21:14 Comments || Top||

    #13  Indian Air Force's SU-30 MKIs..
    Indian Army
    Indian Special OPs

    John..
    Please Keep Us Posted! Love to see India and the USA working together!

    ^..^
    Posted by: Red Dawg || 07/16/2008 22:04 Comments || Top||


    US troops poised to cross Afghan border for raid on bases
    Snip, duplicate. See above.
    Posted by: || 07/16/2008 10:48 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [319 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

    #1  There sure are a lot of stories today at the Burg about the impending bombing or invasion of Pakistan border areas.
    Posted by: JohnQC || 07/16/2008 14:45 Comments || Top||

    #2  Wishful thinking. At least 3 months premature.
    Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 07/16/2008 14:47 Comments || Top||

    #3  Two points.

    This activity keeps the Great Obama off message, as this was all his idea in the first place.

    Secondly, there are more than a few eyes in Tehran watching this. If we are preparing to hit an ally, just what would we do to the enemy?
    Posted by: Skunky Glins 5*** || 07/16/2008 20:59 Comments || Top||


    Pakistan to give befitting response to invaders
    Jamaat-e-Islami Secretary General Syed Munawar Hasan has warned that the US is anxiously waiting to attack Pakistan to pursue its nefarious designs.
    "Gridley!"
    "Sir!"
    "I want two new nefarious designs on my desk by morning!"
    Addressing a meeting of the office-bearers and Shoora members of the party's Faisalabad chapter here on Monday, he said the rumours aired by the Zionist-controlled media that the Al-Qaeda and Taliban were reorganising in the tribal areas of the country were part of the conspiracy to justify the US attacks in the region. He expressed concerns over the irresponsible attitude of the PPP-led government, especially over the leaders' unnecessary foreign visits while ignoring the situation back in the country. He demanded of the rulers to convene an emergency session of parliament to evolve a strategy for countering serious dangers being faced by the nation. "Though the US forces stationed in Afghanistan have been making unannounced attacks inside Pakistani border and violating our airspace for quite sometime, killing hundreds of Pakistanis, but during the past few weeks, President Bush and other US officials have increased naked threats of attacking Pakistan," he said, adding that the baseless allegations were being used to justify the possible US attack as they were used before Afghanistan and Iraq attacks.

    Munawar said that the Taliban did not attack the World Trade Centre on 9-11 and there was no threat of any attack on the US soil by them because they had no capability to attack the super power of the world.
    This article starring:
    SYED MUNAWAR HASANJamaat-e-Islami
    Posted by: || 07/16/2008 10:45 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [350 views] Top|| File under: Jamaat-e-Islami

    #1  I can't tell if the author is serious or is parodying the lame-brain Hasan.... nefarious designs, indeed.
    Posted by: Bugs Phith7593 || 07/16/2008 13:37 Comments || Top||

    #2  A few batteries of M-109s and plenty of ammo under Afghan control would go a long way to calming down the Pakis.
    Posted by: ed || 07/16/2008 13:37 Comments || Top||

    #3  A couple of 10-ship ARCLIGHT strikes down through the heart of Islamabad would be the most effective "inducement" to clean up the mess in the Tribal Agencies. Pakistan aids, abets, and encourages both the Taliban and Al-Qaida. They need to learn the hard way that such behavior has very negative consequences. There aren't any towns in the Tribal Areas worth wasting an ARCLIGHT strike on, but Islamabad would be a nice, BIG target. It would also send a clear message to the rest of the muslim world that the US will not put up with their 7th-century bullsh$$. We haven't done that yet, and it's costing us lives and fortunes.
    Posted by: Old Patriot || 07/16/2008 15:21 Comments || Top||

    #4  Gridley!
    You may draw when ready.
    Posted by: .5MT || 07/16/2008 20:22 Comments || Top||


    Three more 'bombers' arrested
    A Police team arrested three alleged would-be suicide bombers on Tuesday and claimed to have foiled a major terrorist attack on the city.

    Intelligence sources said that the alleged bombers had intended to target important public buildings and foreign installations as well as the Chuhng Investigation Centre. Sources added that a week earlier, security personnel had arrested a group of militants from the country's Northern Areas.

    During interrogation, the militants revealed their accomplices' hideouts. Following the information, security personnel raided a house in Farkhabad, Shahdara on Tuesday. Qari Muhammad Basit, Mullah Mir and an unidentified accomplice were arrested and taken to an undisclosed location.

    The police team also claimed to have found huge quantities of explosive materials, ball bearings, detonators, remote controls and two jackets from the arrested men. Maps of some important buildings in the city were also found. Intelligence sources said that preliminary interrogations revealed that the arrested men had been planning terrorist attacks on the city.

    A senior police official confirmed the arrests. He said that according to intelligence reports, a few terrorists had already entered the city. He added that the militants arrested from the Northern Areas confirmed these reports. Following the confirmation, higher authorities had issued special directions for immediate arrests.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [298 views] Top|| File under: Taliban


    Security man killed in rocket attack
    A security forces personnel was killed when unidentified men fired a rocket at a checkpost in Dera Bugti on Tuesday, police sources said.

    The martyred security man was identified as Khalil Ahmed. The checkpost was also damaged partially. Security forces cordoned off the area and started a search.

    Also on Tuesday, gas supply to the Pirkoh purification plant was suspended after unidentified men blew up an 18-inch diameter gas pipeline in Sui.

    According to reports, the militants had strapped a powerful explosive device with the pipeline that damaged its three-feet-long piece. Sui Southern Gas Company technical teams were sent to the spot for repair.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [325 views] Top|| File under:


    '61 hostages recovered from private jail'
    Police recovered at least 61 hostages, including several from the Hindu community from a private jail of Abdul Rehman Marri in Sanghar, reported Express News on Tuesday.

    According to the channel, police raided the private jail at the application of Ranu Bhel, who had spent 25 years in Marri's private prison. It said Bhel had informed the Pakistan International Human Rights Organisation that Marri had various people in his private jail who were being used for bonded labour. RPO Hyderabad conducted the raid and recovered the hostages, it said.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [326 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

    #1  Slavery exists and is a serious problem mainly in Moslem countries. Sometimes make my stomach turn when we have ridiculous displays of angst by American Blacks about horrible things done to their ancestors four or more generations ago. If you hate slavery, fight against it today, not in some distant past.
    Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 07/16/2008 13:41 Comments || Top||


    Top Qaeda operative held in Multan
    Security agencies arrested a top Al Qaeda operative late on Monday along with his two accomplices in Punjab's southern city of Multan, sources told Daily Times on Tuesday.

    The personnel of the security agencies arrested the three suspected terrorists from a shutdown 'Neel Wali Factory' located on Abdali Road, the sources said.

    Officials have identified the suspects as Tanzanian national Muhammad Al Misri, Anwar Muawiya and Muhammad Shahid.

    The sources said the arrest of Al Misri is the second biggest catch following the arrest of Mullah Obaidullah Akhund, former defence minister in the Taliban government, on March 2, 2007.

    Wave: The officials said that Al Misri is closely linked with Al Qaeda's top hierarchy. Al Misri is also suspected to be behind the series of suicide attacks in the country following the crackdown on the Lal Masjid codenamed 'Operation Silence', they said.

    The sources said that according to preliminary investigations, Al Misri knows five languages including English, Persian, Arabic, Pushto and Urdu.

    Anwar, a resident of Abbotabad, belongs to the banned Lashkar e Jhangvi (LJ), the sources said, adding Shahid, another LJ activist, is a local of Multan.

    The three militants were hiding in the factory for the past one week, the sources said.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [351 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda


    Troops build-up sparks alarm
    A build-up of Western coalition forces on the Afghan border spread alarm yesterday among villagers in the Pakistani tribal region of North Waziristan, a known stronghold of Taliban and Al Qaeda militants.

    The deployment will add to a mounting sense of foreboding in Pakistan that US ground troops could be ordered into Pakistan on covert missions or hot pursuit to eliminate militants fuelling an insurgency in Afghanistan that appears stronger than ever.

    Villagers said hundreds of coalition troops had been airlifted to a border area opposite the village of Lowara Mandi. "The movement of troops started last night," an intelligence official said, adding that armoured vehicles and heavy weaponry had been brought in with them.

    The deployment is in the vicinity of Camp Tillman, a forward operating base for US forces that has come under regular rocket and mortar attack in the past.

    The Pakistani military spokesman said it was probably a routine movement and the media had created "unnecessary hype".

    A military spokesman at Bagram Air Base north of Kabul said the US-led coalition did not comment on troop movements.

    A Taliban spokesman in Bajaur welcomed the build up on the border as a chance to kill more Americans. "It's a gift that they're coming here on our land and making it easy for us to kill our enemies, the enemies of Muslims," Taliban spokesman, Maulvi Omar said.

    A series of incidents along the border, including drone aircraft missile attacks and cross-border firing, have fuelled fears in Pakistan that the US military may be moving to a more offensive strategy having hitherto refrained from unleashing ground forces in Pakistani territory.

    Separately, unknown gunmen kidnapped two Turkish nationals working on a construction project in western Afghanistan. "The Turkish engineers were working on a project in the town of Islam Qala, bordering Iran, where they were kidnapped from a vehicle," police official said.

    A Turkish Foreign Ministry official in Ankara said the two abducted engineers were Gokhan Gul and Erhan Gunduz who were both working for the Turkish construction company Gulsen Insaat.

    Meanwhile, more than 20 Taliban-linked rebels were killed in separate clashes, one of them in an area of northeastern Afghanistan where nine US soldier were killed. The police and administration chiefs of the district where the US troops were attacked on Sunday were meanwhile arrested on suspicion of co-operating with the militants.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [320 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

    #1  Bait?
    Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/16/2008 11:14 Comments || Top||

    #2  Might be pay-back for the recent attack that killed 9 US troops. That was probably a cross-border excursion and this, a prelude for eliminating the safe havens.
    Posted by: Unock Barnsmell2669 || 07/16/2008 13:43 Comments || Top||


    Iraq
    Saddam deputy in anti-US call

    Izzy speaks...
    A message purported to be from the fugitive deputy of executed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has called on insurgents to make a final push against US forces. The message attributed to Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri urged Iraqi fighters to "make this year... decisive for victory".
    I, of course, will stay here in my secret lair counting Sammy's money.
    The message also called on US President George W Bush to "come clean about the scale of US losses".
    Which he reads about in Jihad Unspun...
    The message, aired by Dubai-based satellite broadcaster Al-Arabiya and reported by the AFP news agency, urged Iraqi insurgents to "strike the enemy everywhere". It also called on President Bush to "end an experiment that has now lasted more than five years".
    Please stop killing us.
    Ibrahim is the most senior member of Saddam Hussein's regime still at large. Al-Duri was Saddam Hussein's number two in Iraq's decision-making Revolutionary Command Council, and has had a $10m price on his head since November 2003. US military chiefs have accused him of being the paymaster of many attacks on their troops. They say he has access to Saddam's hidden stashes of cash with which he pays jobless Iraqis to fight in the insurgency. Thousands of US troops have taken part in the search for him.
    Posted by: tu3031 || 07/16/2008 09:28 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [324 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Baath Party

    #1  So where is Baghdad Bob when you need him?
    Posted by: Skunky Glins 5*** || 07/16/2008 12:13 Comments || Top||

    #2  You've got to pity the fool if he believes the stories on Jihad Unspun and really thinks they are cleaning American clocks right now but dang it victory just remains slightly out of reach because Bush has lied about casualty figures.
    Posted by: rjschwarz || 07/16/2008 12:36 Comments || Top||


    Car bomb wounds six Iraqis in N Iraq
    (Xinhua) -- Six Iraqi people were injured Tuesday by a car bomb explosion targeting Iraqi security forces in the city of Mosul, capital of Nineveh province, a provincial police source said.

    A booby-trapped car parked in the 17th of July neighborhood in western Mosul detonated near an Iraqi army patrol, wounding six people, including two soldiers, the source told Xinhua on condition of anonymity.

    A military vehicle was also damaged by the attack, the source added.

    In northern Mosul, another car bomb went off in the al-Arabi neighborhood, causing damages to several nearby buildings, the source said without giving more details.

    Earlier, the source said eight people were killed and five others injured by two suicide bomb attacks targeting Iraqi security forces in the city.

    Nineveh province, including its capital Mosul, some 400 km north of Baghdad, was believed to be one of the last strongholds of al-Qaida fighters in the war-torn country.

    The U.S. and Iraqi security forces have been staging a major security crackdown in Nineveh to uproot al-Qaida militants and other anti-U.S. insurgents.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [318 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in Iraq


    40 killed in Iraq attacks
    Bombers killed around 40 people and wounded scores in several attacks in northern Iraq yesterday. In the worst attack, two suicide bombers killed 27 people and wounded 68 when they blew themselves up outside an army recruitment centre in Baquba, 65km northeast of Baghdad.

    Hours later, three bomb blasts hit Mosul, capital of Nineveh province.

    The latest attacks came as executed dictator Saddam Hussein's fugitive deputy Izzat Ibrahim Al Duri urged Iraqis to "strike the enemy everywhere... to make this year... decisive for victory". Saddam's number two in the decision-making Revolutionary Command Council, has had a $10 million (BD3.78m) US bounty on his head since November 2003.

    In the capital, Electricity Minister Karim Wahid escaped unharmed when a roadside bomb exploded in east Baghdad, wounding three of his bodyguards.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [297 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency

    #1  Lots of people like hanging around the Iraqi army recruitment center, it seems. Is it because they feel safer there, or because they want to sign up, d'you suppose?
    Posted by: trailing wife || 07/16/2008 6:44 Comments || Top||

    #2  They only seem to blow up iraqis now. Not the best PR move they could make.
    Posted by: bigjim-ky || 07/16/2008 11:16 Comments || Top||


    Israel-Palestine-Jordan
    Israel swaps prisoners for bodies
    Posted by: tipper || 07/16/2008 12:18 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [566 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  Rubes
    Posted by: Zenobia Flesing4775 || 07/16/2008 13:04 Comments || Top||

    #2  They should have flown over the celebration like they were bringing the prisoners, then flung them out of the chopper at a thousand feet up. Right on that cackling bunch of baboons.
    Posted by: Zenobia Flesing4775 || 07/16/2008 13:16 Comments || Top||

    #3  Too stupid to live. Unfortunately I've come to expect this self destructive behavior from any nation who becomes used to the American security blanket, not least of all American herself.
    Posted by: ed || 07/16/2008 13:25 Comments || Top||

    #4  Bad Precedent.

    Olmert's leadership will be one for the record books.

    What should we expect when Hezbollah attacks again?
    Posted by: DK70 the Scantily Clad7177 || 07/16/2008 13:30 Comments || Top||

    #5  "Woe betide the people who celebrate the release of a beastly man who bludgeoned the skull of a 4-year-old toddler," Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in a statement before a private meeting with the families of the soldiers.

    Well, you're right.
    You're also the guy who let him out...
    Posted by: tu3031 || 07/16/2008 13:45 Comments || Top||

    #6  Israel should swap like-for-like. If the Palestinians send back dead bodies, the Israelis should send them dead bodies. If the people that the Paleos want back aren't dead yet, that can be fixed relatively easily.
    Posted by: Rambler in California || 07/16/2008 14:45 Comments || Top||

    #7  I can not, simply not, understand how Olmert could have allowed this. Or, for that matter, how any of the soldiers/police guarding Kuntar could have refrained from shooting him dead before seeing him go free.

    Israel is doomed. It doesn't have the courage to survive. This craven cowering by Olmert, supposedly backed by a majority of the country, is absolute proof of the preceding statement. Of course, Olmert's continuance as PM despite his criminality and gutlessness has also demonstrated that proof for some years now.

    I am saddened beyond words to think that I'll live to see the completion of the Holocaust.
    Posted by: Jomosing Bluetooth8431 || 07/16/2008 15:38 Comments || Top||

    #8  Is this what is called "negotiations without preconditions"?
    Posted by: swksvolFF || 07/16/2008 16:16 Comments || Top||

    #9  I can't think of the name "Olmert" any more without thinking of the word "Judenrat."
    Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 07/16/2008 16:21 Comments || Top||

    #10  If there's one country that doesn't need a Neville Chamberlain, it's Israel.
    Posted by: ryuge || 07/16/2008 17:34 Comments || Top||

    #11  Insanity.
    Posted by: OldSpook || 07/16/2008 19:37 Comments || Top||

    #12  From now on, no prisoners.
    Posted by: OldSpook || 07/16/2008 19:40 Comments || Top||

    #13  This would only make sense if a secret clause included location and schematics of Iranian nuclear facilities.
    Posted by: Odysseus || 07/16/2008 22:29 Comments || Top||

    #14  I know it's not right but I hope they drop a MOAB right in the middle of the hizbullah welcome back celebration in Lebanon.
    Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 07/16/2008 23:00 Comments || Top||

    #15  something tells me if my son were to die, God forbid, he wouldn't want to be negotiated for terrorists to be traded back to only have them be able to kill again.
    Precedent set, and Israeli's seen as weak.
    Makes me sick.
    Posted by: Jan || 07/16/2008 23:34 Comments || Top||


    Two Palestinian freedom fighters 'collaborators' sentenced to death
    A Palestinian military tribunal sentenced two men from the occupied West Bank to death on Tuesday for spying for Israel, a security official told AFP.

    "Two men, a Palestinian from Yatta (near the southern town of Hebron) and his nephew, have been sentenced to be executed for giving information to Israel that led to the deaths of two Palestinians," said Suleiman Imran, the commander of forces in the northern West Bank town of Jenin.

    Imran declined to name the two men but said one of them had fled to Israel and the other had been detained in Jenin.

    The death sentence decrees must now go to Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas, who has the power to pardon the prisoners.

    In April a Palestinian man was sentenced to death by firing squad for collaborating with Israeli intelligence, but the sentence has not been carried out.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [320 views] Top|| File under: Palestinian Authority

    #1  At least they got a trial. They usually just take them out in the street and shoot them.
    Posted by: tu3031 || 07/16/2008 13:42 Comments || Top||


    Israel arrests 7 Hamas activists in West Bank
    Israeli troops arrested seven Hamas activists Tuesday, including two municipal council members, in a widening crackdown on the Islamic militant group in Nablus, residents said.

    The Israeli military confirmed that it arrested seven Palestinians in the city but did not elaborate.

    Residents said troops seized the two Hamas city council members, a senior Hamas activist and other Palestinians known for their close ties to the group, including Hanin Darwazi, the head of a local women's organization.

    Hamas, a militant Islamic group has a large, active women's section. But arrests of Hamas women are infrequent.

    Tuesday's pre-dawn sweep followed the closure in Nablus last week by the Israeli military of a shopping mall, a TV station and a newspaper, all allegedly with ties to Hamas.

    The raids have prompted complaints by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas that Israel is damaging his standing in the West Bank, where he governs. Hamas controls the Gaza Strip.

    As he conducts peace talks with Israel, Abbas has deployed security forces throughout the West Bank to quell lawlessness and check the growth of Hamas and other militant groups.

    Both Israel and the Abbas government fear Hamas could seize control of the West Bank, which lies next to Israel's populous center. Hamas fighters ousted Abbas loyalists from Gaza by force a year ago.

    Palestinian security forces also have conducted their own crackdown on Hamas members throughout the West Bank.

    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [329 views] Top|| File under: Hamas


    Southeast Asia
    Seven hurt in blasts at Thai police stations
    Seven people were wounded on Wednesday when bombs exploded outside two of the biggest police stations in Thailand's Muslim south, where a terrorist jihad separatist insurgency is raging, police said. The bombs exploded Wednesday morning outside the main police stations in the key regional towns of Pattani and Yala, police said. Seven people, including three police, were wounded in the Pattani blast, which exploded in the heart of the region's most important town, police added. The blast in Yala damaged the gate to the station, and appeared coordinated with a smaller blast that went off almost simultaneously in a local transport office, police said. No one was injured in the Yala blasts.

    The bombings marked a rare attack in the downtown districts of key towns in the region along the southern border with Malaysia. The explosions came one day after Thailand extended emergency rule over the region, where 3,300 people have died in four years of unrest.
    Posted by: ryuge || 07/16/2008 05:59 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [334 views] Top|| File under:

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    Posted by: Abu do you love || 07/16/2008 9:29 Comments || Top||

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    Sri Lanka
    Dozens of Tamil Tigers killed in fresh fighting
    Dozens of Tamil Tiger rebels and four soldiers have been killed in the latest fighting in Sri Lanka's north in the past two days, the defence ministry said yesterday.

    The deaths coincide with a visit by British lawmaker Mark Malloch-Brown, who is in the country to discuss allegations of rights abuses.

    The defence ministry said 49 Tamil Tiger rebels were killed during fighting on Sunday and Monday, bringing to 4,956 the total number of rebels killed by government forces since January.

    Four soldiers were also killed, according to the ministry, bringing the total deaths for the same period to 441.

    Casualty figures on both sides cannot be independently verified as the defence ministry bars journalists from travelling to the frontlines.

    The British High Commission in Colombo said Malloch Brown, Britain's minister for Africa, Asia and the UN, would discuss Sri Lanka's deteriorating human rights situation and the Sri Lankan government's plans to settle the 36-year-old ethnic conflict.

    He will meet with senior government officials, civil society organisations and religious leaders during his visit, which ends Thursday. "The Minister will discuss the human rights situation in Sri Lanka, in particular ways of strengthening the mechanism for monitoring and investigating allegations of human rights abuses," the High Commission said.
    Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [299 views] Top|| File under:



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