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Following several years of reconciliation efforts, Iran and the United Arab Emirates are again embroiled in military tensions. The UAE navy has captured an Iranian fishing boat used by Teheran intelligence operatives to spy on U.S. military installations in the emirates. Arab intelligence sources said Iran has been monitoring U.S. naval and other military assets in Gulf Cooperation Council states amid fears of an American attack on Iranian nuclear installations. That is a reasonable fear that the Iranians would have.
The sources said Iran has also been concerned that the U.S. could spark a provocation with the International Atomic Energy Agency board of governors meeting this week on Iranâs nuclear program. That is possible, too.
The UAE has long felt threatened by Iranâs presence in the Gulf. The UAE has consistently protested Iranâs seizure of three islands in the Gulf claimed by Abu Dhabi. Iran has refused to consider arbitration to settle the dispute. You want it, come and get it. Weâre more Islamic than you, punk.
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06/18/2004 6:42:07 PM ||
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Nothing really new here, except that the UAE capture was made public. Iranians have been using dhows for years in intel work around the UAE, Oman, and Bahrain. Lot of times they work with the smugglers. Sometimes they're captured, sometimes they just... disappear.
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And pretty hard to lose 'em at sea in that puddle called the Persian Gulf! It maxes out at 90m and averages only 50m deep... not much wiggle room for those 'Ranian subs to maneuver, eh? Methinks they stay outside the Straits of Hormuz, heh, down around Bandar Abbas.
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It's dead calm water also - one of the reasons that neither the Stark nor the Roberts sunk.
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06/18/2004 20:29 Comments ||
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Are we sure this is an actual 'boat' and not one of those cool, spiffy Zodiac Patrol Craft the press mentioned during Gulf War I, the ones that got cluster bombed by some A-6's.
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So UAE forces have the boat's crew? Okay, since they aren't in U.S. custody, then Emirates' interrogators should torture the crew members in order to extract whatever information can be had. After all, they aren't in U.S. custody, so no one will really notice....
Fox News reports via Reuters that the Soddies have bumped off al-Muqrin in a shoot-out in Riyadh. More as it comes...
Here's the Reuters copy...
Reuters - The leader of al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, Abdulaziz al-Muqrin, has been killed, Al Arabiya television reported Friday. Muqrin claimed responsibility for the beheading of a U.S. engineer Friday and the killing of other Westerners in the kingdom, which has battled Osama bin Laden's group for over a year. Arabiya gave no further details.
MORE...
Fox News reports al-Muqrin and two other cut-throats were killed while disposing of Johnson's body. At least there's a little bit of justice in the world.
The leader of al-Qaida in Saudi Arabia was killed Friday, Arab satellite stations Al-Arabiya and Al-Jazeera reported. The news was given in a scrolling news bar at the bottom of the screens. Abdulaziz al-Moqrin is at the top of the list of suspects in Saudi Arabia and is believed to be the leader of the group calling itself al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, which claimed responsibility for the beheading of American hostage Paul M. Johnson Jr.
Abdel Aziz al-Muqrin, the leader of al Qaeda's cell in Saudi Arabia, was killed, Saudi security sources told CNN. He was killed while disposing of Johnson's body, the Arabic-language television network Al-Arabiya reported. Al-Muqrin, the self-proclaimed military leader of al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, had threatened Tuesday to kill Johnson in 72 hours unless the Saudi government released al Qaeda prisoners and Westerners left the Arabian Peninsula. "As we promised, we the mujahedeen from the Falluja Squadron slaughtered the American hostage Paul Johnson after the deadline we gave to the Saudi tyrants," said a statement on the Web site that has been translated from the Arabic. "So he got his fair share from this life and for him to taste a bit of what the Muslims have been suffering from Apache helicopter attacks. They were tortured by its missiles."
And now you're hopefully shot to doll rags...
Late Friday, soon after the discovery of Johnson's body, Saudi Arabian security forces and al Qaeda terrorists clashed in Riyadh, and a "number of terrorists" were killed, a Saudi diplomat said. "As we speak, Saudi security forces are engaged in a siege in central Riyadh," Adel Al-Jubeir, the foreign affairs adviser to Crown Prince Abdullah, told reporters in Washington. He said he could not say how many terrorists had been killed.
"I dunno. They ain't done yet. I don't think they're surrounded, though..."
A Saudi security source said at least one of those killed was part of the cell led by Al-Muqrin, who said he was the one who kidnapped Johnson. It was not immediately known if the slain suspect had taken part in the abduction.
My guess is that they did...
Al-Jubeir said 15,000 security forces, working in conjunction with U.S. forces, had participated in the search for Johnson. The FBI stands ready to help Saudi Arabia track down Johnson's killers, a bureau official said Friday. "We are in close coordination with Saudi Arabia to determine what can be done to assist the Saudi authorities in this case now. But of course it is a sovereign country so it depends on what the Saudi government decides," the official said. Al-Muqrin had claimed responsibility for Johnson's kidnapping and the death of another American, Kenneth Scroggs, on Saturday on behalf of a group called the Falluja Squadron, which claims to have ties to al Qaeda.
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06/18/2004 5:42:26 PM ||
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please God! Don't let him be "surrounded"!
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Wire services report al Qaeda leader in Saudi Arabia killed, according to Al-Arabiyah TV network. CNN working to confirm.
Posted by: Howard UK ||
06/18/2004 18:06 Comments ||
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Some kind of siege reported on beeb - and 'firefight' implied continuing.
Posted by: Howard UK ||
06/18/2004 18:08 Comments ||
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Produce the body, and allow for the taking of samples for DNA analysis, and when confirmed that it is indeed Mooqy then I'll applaud their efforts. Until then, color me skeptical.
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Fox News reports al-Muqrin and two other cut-throats were killed while disposing of Johnson's body. At least there's a little bit of justice in the world.
Sounds like the Saudis needed to get rid of an inconvenient witness.
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06/18/2004 19:29 Comments ||
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*golf clap*
Not sure about that one, .com. Sounds too much like something that involves penalty strokes with a special grip on your wood's shaft.
Posted by: Frank G ||
06/18/2004 20:31 Comments ||
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ROFL, Matt! :-p
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06/18/2004 23:57 Comments ||
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I think is all BS! The terrorists were "smart" enough to hide to the point that "15,0000 troops working with some American special forces could not find where they were keeping Johnson, but are caught trying to dispose of the body? No way!
This is as true as the "storming" of the Oasis compounds by Saudi forces to rescue the hostages. Has everybody forgotten how that greaseball and Bandar said they rescued 7 americans? The Americans rescued themselves by going up to the roof and cutting the access to the terrorists, hours before the saudis got there.
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Terrorists linked to Al Qaida sought to free a hospitalized leader of recent attack at Al-Khubar, Saudi Arabia that killed 22 people. Three Al Qaida terrorists dressed as women conducted an daring raid to free the wounded ringleader of the attack from the top security hospital where he had been under police guard. The gunmen failed to reach the prison wing but managed to flee the hospital and evade security guards. Weâve been found out, run and flee!
The terrorists penetrated the facility because of rules limiting security guards from searching women. PC hurts Saoodi Land, too.
There have been several incidents in recent weeks of terrorists wearing abayas, or veils.
Posted by: Alaska Paul ||
06/18/2004 3:52:39 PM ||
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In my earlier post about Paul Johnson, I quoted the Australian Times:
Saudi viewers saw the crown prince talking to the father of the terrorist who led the recent killing rampage in the eastern city of Khobar, where 22 people died. The two were seen walking together as the father publicly disowned his son, who was wounded.
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I'm certain that their choice of Frederick's of Hollywood fashion beneath their abayas were far more "daring" than the little soiree to the hospital, don't you mon cheri? I'm sure they were determined to compete with the cattynurses there. Muslims are such bitches! Especially the "men".
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...but managed to flee
They always do, don't they? If one were a cynical sort of person one might be tempted to conclude that the chasers and the chased are playing for the same team.
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06/18/2004 16:44 Comments ||
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Fred---thanks for spiffing up the title! My head has been in concrete design today and I was not allowed the time necessary for a real creative hook line. Heh heh.
Posted by: Alaska Paul ||
06/18/2004 22:01 Comments ||
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AP - do what the Chicoms do, add flyash! (and empty styrofoam cups, and trash and.....)
Posted by: Frank G ||
06/18/2004 22:08 Comments ||
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SPA: Imam and Speaker of the Makkah-based Grand Mosque Sheikh Dr. Salih bin Abdullah bin Humaid stressed that any terrorist act is criminal and contrary to religion. In a sermon on Friday noon, he pointed out that these criminal acts have targeted the secure Muslim people and non-Muslims protected by agreements with Muslims, noting that the perpetrators of the deviating group have killed and intimidated people, destroyed properties, and wreaked havoc on the earth. Dr. bin Humaid pointed out that those who have committed these crimes will be punished in hell in the hereafter.
Yeah. Natter natter natter natter. There'd be less of it if they were punished in this world.
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"natter" - Lol - long time since I heard that term! From the age of "gumption", methinks!
Re: Shakey Dr DingDong -- Far too little, too lame, and too late.
The tone of coverage across several channels is bizarre. CNN is acting semi-unhappy, though they are pointing out the lame "Muslim street" reasoning that Johnson worked for a company that serviced Apache helicopters - thus was guilty of killing Muslims. Fox, of course, has the outrage spot covered. I don't get BBC news, but a check of their website offers this "neutral" post. If it had been a Brit, perhaps...
Khaled Al-Kayssum was part of a group of around 100 detainees ferried by bus from the prison outside Baghdad to the northern Iraqi city of Mosul on Monday night and freed there, Okaz reported, quoting his brother Ali. He was given 48 hours to leave Iraq, it said. Al-Yaum quoted Kayssum as saying by telephone that US occupation forces had returned his passport and that he was leaving Iraq last night. The paper said he declined to talk about his ordeal at Abu Ghraib, saying he would do so once he was back in Saudi Arabia.
Held without charge, was he? An innocent civilian, was he? Guess we shoulda cut his head off.
Meanwhile, it was reported that a Saudi belonging to a group headed by suspected Al- Qaeda operative Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi carried out Mondayâs suicide bombing in Iraq that killed 13 people, the manâs brother was quoted by Reuters as saying yesterday. Khaled Al-Shimri told Reuters by telephone that his brother Abdullah had been in Iraq for almost two months before the attack, in which five foreign contractors were among the dead. âI believe he belonged to Jamaat Al-Tawhid and Jihad,â Shimri said. âWe received news of his death in Mondayâs operation in Iraq.â
Luckily for him he wasn't in Abu Ghraib, eh? That woulda been worse than exploding and killing a lot of innocents, right?
Jamaat Al-Tawhid and Jihad claimed responsibility for the blast, which devastated a busy Baghdad street, in a statement posted on a Website on Tuesday. The five foreign contractors that were killed included two Britons, a Frenchman and an American. They were employees of a subsidiary of the US conglomerate General Electric or security contractors working with the company.
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No, it's not. It's over civilians getting their heads cut off and little kids being murdered in their beds. The same old crap smells the same every time. Find another talking point.
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He can't. It's all they care about.
Beheaded American? Eh, what does Naif care? It was just another kaffir servant to him.
Posted by: Robert Crawford ||
06/18/2004 14:57 Comments ||
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Naif needs to be taken down.
Posted by: Capt America ||
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It was the Arab governments that urged the Palies to leave in '48 and have left them twisting in the wind ever since. Maybe it is time for a Greater Israel from the banks of the Nile to the Tigris. The one real hope these clowns could have of joining the modern world and they have actively sought to destroy Israel for over fifty years and gotten their asses kicked every time they tried.
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Palestine is the issue. They want to kill all the Jews in Palestine, and we won't let them.
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Palestine is the issue?
It's true that it infuriates the Arab / Muslim world that we won't let them kill the Jews. But that's not the whole of it.
"Palestine" is a zit on the tip of the tail of the dog. This is the standard "reason" for actions all over the world - the Arab Passion Play used to obfuscate their intentions, distract attention from their dictators/mullahs/thugs, and their excuse for fomenting war on every non-Muslim on the planet.
Look around the planet. Locate where there is unrest, killing, massacres, blind hatred based upon religion, whining and mewling about 'freedom' and 'fairness' (lol!) -- you will find that 90% involve Muslims attempting to expand Dar al Islam. It's as simple as that. Everything else is cover for this fact.
No offense intended, but your statement is a very thin slice of reality relative to the body of facts about Islam available.
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Interior Minister Prince Naif has said the plight of the Palestinians is the main cause of misunderstandings between Saudi Arabia and Western governments.
âOur problem with the West is perhaps the Palestinian cause. The suffering of the Palestinians is great. And we do not forget that the third mosque of Islam is in Jerusalem,â he said in an interview published yesterday in the French daily Le Figaro.
This might have been so at some prior time, but ever since 9-11 the focus has been shifting a bit, Naif, old boy. In fact, because of the Khobar atrocity and Johnson's murder, our missile targeting coordinates focus is beginning to narrow right down on your own corrupt little hotbed of terrorist activity, laddy.
Rest assured, too, how "we do not forget that the third mosque of Islam is in Jerusalem." In fact, if we are forced to obliterate Mecca and Medina, then we also should proceed to dimantle your precious Dome of the Rock, stone by numbered stone, and:
1.) Hold it for safe keeping until Islam is worthy of its own shrines.
2.) Sink every pebble of it in the Marianas Trench.
3.) Pulverize the masonry and cast urinals out of it for the Israeli military to use. (Just as your beloved Palestinians turned the Wailing Wall into a pissoir.)
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Just wondering what the Arabs would be using as an excuse if Israel was in, say, South America? Amazing how what, five or six million doctors, lawyers and businessmen can keep five hundred million goathearders down in their spare time, ain't it?
Besides, Zenster, if the masonry on that place is anything like current "Arab technology", those urinals would fall apart after one flush.....
By SALAH NASRAWI, Associated Press Writer
Al-Arabiya television reported Friday that American hostage Paul M. Johnson Jr. has been beheaded. A great islamic tradition, it seems
Reached by telephone, an official from Saudi-owned Al-Arabiya in Dubai told The Associated Press that the news of Johnsonâs death had been reported by the networkâs correspondent in the Saudi capital. CNN reported that Al-Arabiya had a video of the killing, but the network official said there was no video.
Fox News sez the video's up now...
Johnson was kidnapped last weekend by militants who threatened to kill him by Friday if the kingdom did not release its al-Qaida prisoners. Bastards... hardly surprizing, though
UPDATE: Fox News sez Reuters is reporting they found the body. Wonder if it was anyplace close to where the Soddies were looking for it?
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With every barbaric act, these Islamicists are proving themselves unworthy of any type of nationhood. There can be no sympathy for any cause when these are the tactics used. Subhumans.
NOW is someone ready to build that wall of shame we talked about? Put up photos of these Jihadists on a wall for public ridicule and assault. We need to know their faces better-- through tomato mold and spray-painted epithets. Gloves off-let's really piss off the Muslim world. PUBLIC SHAME FOR JIHADISTS.
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When are we - the west- finally going to realize these people are playing for keeps. It is absolutely impossible to fight these people one at a time like we are trying to do now.
This is a war, not a police sweep. It is a war of cultures and ideology. These beheadings will NEVER stop as long as we continue on the path we are on. We cannot kill them fast enough and we will not/can not win their hearts and minds.
The only way to ever stop this is to bring a horrendous, horrible, totally devastating reaction by the West - one from which the Arab world and culture will never recuperate. Their culture as a whole is as guilty as the murderers. They do not denounce murders like this; they do not denounce the fundamentalists; they do no denounce their preaching. Through their silence they clearly and loudly condone the killers.
We will not do that though because the West thinks this is too barbaric and not a civilized reaction. We have âprogressed farther than thatâ and we are âbetter than that.â Because we think like this, we fail to see the world as it really is. The âAnne Frankâ attitude that âthere is good in everyoneâ adopted by the West is simply not true. There are good people, bad people, smart people and dumb people.
They started this war. While I do not think we will ever "lose" this war, I do not think we will ever see it end. Our current strategy will not bring victory â it will bring perpetuity. To win we must destroy their will, their culture and their ideology.
I want them to fear us rather than like us. I want them to be too afraid to even look at our flag. That is the only way to guarantee peace with their culture. That is all their culture understands.
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The talking heads on Fox News right now are talking about sending troops to the Tragick Kingdom. That'd be a fairly dumb idea. Hunter-killer teams would be more to the point. Perhaps the Russers would give us some pointers?
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Wonder if it was anyplace close to where the Soddies were looking for it?
Of course they were looking nearby. I have no doubt some of their "security forces" are involved.
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The murder of Paul Johnson by those Islamic murderers is the worst criminal act against innocent people of God. That such criminal activities are still being perpetrated today, in the name of Islam, makes the misguided perpetrators the worst enemies of the right thinking world. Now is the time to call a spade by its own name, and make the murderers regret their actions.
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I am sad that Mr. Johnson met his demise this way but way did he expect? Until the Balestianians get a decent life and health care unit they will continue to inspire anger amongst the proper peoples. I am still sad tho.
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The murder of Paul Johnson is an outright barbarism, and a sheer show of religious madness. Any one who could raise his sword against an innocent person in such a brutal manner, all in the name of religion, does not represent a true faith, as no true world religion ever tolerates the shedding of human blood. Persons who engage in such inhuman activities are the worst murderers.
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Off topic, but the Paleos kill far more of their own than the Israelis do. Talk about a group that needs a beheading.
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Junifer-Balestinians? Careful-your spelling errors are linguistic slips and are revealing who you are.
A decent life and health care? Your buddies the assassins of Mr. Johnson have just made that a much dimmer possibility. This will probably mean we will be tightening ranks with Israel.
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News is reporting that Paul Johnson had lived in SA for something like ten years and was considering converting to Islam. I'm not sure I'm quite ready to get my seethe on about this one.
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Any one who could raise his sword against an innocent person in such a brutal manner, all in the name of religion, does not represent a true faith, as no true world religion ever tolerates the shedding of human blood.
Islam does.
BH -- if he was only considering, then he hadn't done it. He was still kaffir, still one of us.
More importantly to his murderers, though, was his citizenship and skin color.
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06/18/2004 15:36 Comments ||
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Word is this group calls themselves the Fallujah Brigade. Funny, haven't we heard that name before?
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I posted this once already... A poem I wrote on reading of the taking of this hostage... Seems kina prescient now... Unfortunatly...
Hostage
Alone, surrounded, facing death for being who he is
God needs for you to die now, Remember Ali the Alamo, Fallujah, Abu Ghraib...
Satan America allows me to kill and kill and kill...
Cut off head, God wants you to. (Really he does)
Dripping blood and chaos is his wish for you and yours
What kind of god demands such terror and blood?
How could any worship this way? Why?
Hostage weak, oh how tough you are,
bastard son of...
Put your woman in her place,
slice off the Zionist crusader American head,
then your impotence
will cease...
Or you will finally meet your martyrdom, dead and silent,
Like Lenin or Pol Pot...
Worms and the hate you left behind your only comfort...
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Apparently the photos are on Drudge. I have no desire to see them, but I find it interesting that my current client's network team blocks all images from outside websites when news like this breaks.
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RC: if he was only considering, then he hadn't done it. He was still kaffir, still one of us.
Maybe, but it's easy to see where his sympathies lay. His wife is moosleem, too. As far as I'm concerned, this is a red-on-red.
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I don't care if they turn him into Soylent Green.
Careful, lest someone says the same thing about you. The jihadis would want nothing better, than for us to cheer each others' beheading.
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I just read the news reports of the beheading of Mr Johnson. Bush was and is right - we need to fight and we need to win the WoT. This transends politics. The islamofascist terrorists must be defeated, and the cost will be less now than if we wait and appease only to have to fight later. Multculturalism is fine when the cultures involved are mutually striving for ways to respect each other and live peacefully together. That is not what we have in the real world. It is a sobering thought to realize the terrorists are not mere criminals, but believers in a political/religious philosophy that seeks to force itself on everyone who disagrees. Totalitarianism is and always has been wrong, and history tells us it must be stopped. You will not see another anti-Bush post by Jennifer.
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06/18/2004 16:35 Comments ||
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Rafael--Gloves are off as of today. It's useful to put yourself in anothers' shoes...but only humans wear shoes. These jihadists aren't humans.
Farrakhan will have to pick sides, like everyone else.
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Jennifer, I'm not going to smile now, because the occasion doesn't call for it. I saw a clip of the guy's family on TV yesterday and was saddened beyond belief. What made me so upset is how my heart went out to his family, begging, pleading on national television for the Saudis to do whatever they could, for Bush to push them to find the man, for the kidnappers to understand - but all the while, I knew that the kidnappers wouldn't care. Because they are animals. They're uncivilized, and they pledge their lives and blood to a creed of hatred and destruction. And I knew with a sick feeling in my gut that we'd never see that man alive again, and I was all the sadder for it.
However, I am glad to see that you understand why we say some of the things we do here. There are a lot of people who don't understand what you now do - and some of them never will. We have to keep going, despite what they say, because otherwise hatred will win.
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I saw the photos on Drudge Report.
Mr. Johnson represents every American. This is what the Islamos want to do to every American--regardless of whether or not he/she capitulates to Islam, seeks to understand and appreciate their culture, or (like me) wants to blow them off the face of the earth.
"The only way to ever stop this is to bring a horrendous, horrible, totally devastating reaction by the West - one from which the Arab world and culture will never recuperate." Well said, Yosemite Sam . I liked your entire post.
Wonder if the Press will make a big deal out of this act of barbarity like they did the Abu Gharib thing. Doubt it. It's "okay" for Islamics to do bad things. They don't know any better, and besides, they are under such terrible pressure from US foreign policy, don't ya know.
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I heard about this on the way home from work. What a disgrace! 1st, we are loosing American Soilders for a stupid reason and now INNOCENT American citizins!! When will Bush realize the only way to take care of this is to pull out all Americans from this dirty, trashy, worthless, P.O.S country and then just bomb it. If then can fight dirty, WHY can we!!! Save the Americans! Screw the Arabs!!!
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i'm starting to feel like we need our own terrorist to start taking these muslims out ourselves.there are probably a lot of them living here in the us.they send the tax free money back home.mabe if we start taking care of buisness here they may get the point.now get every american and our friends out of the mid-east and drop yhe napom i personally think it would be a good start,not to mention the billions of dollars it would save.this is not hate mail this is what most people should think of as justice.how can any human call this a holy war ther is nothing holy about it.this can't be what any god we worship wants.so mr.bush it won't hurt you to drop the bomb somebody needs the balls and i think you may have them so do it stop this madness.it's only politics not barbaric.
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Junifer, what the hell is wrong with you? Are you one of them? Its a horrible thing that those inbreds did to an American. It should have never happened. Atleast when the time is right, they will get what the deserve
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Victoria, that isn't going to work. We're fighting a tribal mindset here, and in that mindset, the strongest one is the winner. We pull out now, we actually encourage this kind of thing, because we'll have shown ourselves too weak to withstand it, and they'll think themselves strong for having "driven the Americans away." We have to keep going, until every last one of them is gone. There is no alternative, not if we want peace in this world.
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06/18/2004 19:26 Comments ||
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This is the last straw for a number of Middle-Eastern & other nations assisting these terrorist animals!
Posted by: Mark Espinola ||
06/18/2004 19:56 Comments ||
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Mark - What? Seen some stories? Links, plz, if you have available. Long overdue and would be much welcomed - especially if they actually follow through and start helping us more than we've seen to date. Thx, in advance!
#38
This the last straw? Wishful thinking. We will be angry a few days, then back to politicing. We will not take any bold action during the campaign.
The last straw will be when an American city lies in smoking embers. It will take that to silence the "Its really our fault" crowd, and only then will we recognize the fight is really for our lives.
Posted by: Rock ||
06/18/2004 20:24 Comments ||
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Doc - I think she was suggesting we withdraw outside the blast radius ;-)
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06/18/2004 20:25 Comments ||
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nice pic link PD
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06/18/2004 20:26 Comments ||
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Rock / All - One thing is obvious, if we did not have our own native class of LLL morons, ranging from the idiots like Victoria22 above whose post made me wince with its duplicity and utter stupidity to those who believe that Gore is the actual President and Bush is an unelected unconstitutional usurper, we would be more unified, ourselves, and far better prepared to coalesce around the get-tough policies so glibly tossed out around these parts - election year or not.
But, since there IS an LLL and it IS based upon Bush-hatred INSTEAD of facing the realities of Islmofascism, faux-ally duplicity and obstructionism, NKor / PakiWaki / Mad Mullah proliferation, and the myriad subversive and dangerous activities of the Chinese "commie" regime, well this simply means that we are as likely to get a gutless turd like Skeery for our next President as we are to get Bush - the only guy on the political scene in the US with half a clue, the balls to DO something about it, and who understands WTF people on sites like RB are talking about.
Exercise: Count the number of high-ranking officials in US history who, while in office, have challenged and begun taking on the 'Special Relationship' with the Saudis, whom we all recognize to be the root of the problem, with more than half-assed rhetoric. There's only one.
Given the realities created by these LLL assholes and general malcontents, Rock and Dave D and many others are dead right: many more Americans will have to die before there is a national public mandate and concensus in the US to do what most of us here advocate or believe is inevitable.
It is both truly disingenuous and duplicitous to be against this insanity and willing to accept the reality that our way of life is at stake - and be against Bush.
And, when all the marbles are on the table, no less.
Lay the next few atrocities at the feet of these people. Let's see (what choice do we have?) how long it takes for them to learn to hate insane killers more than they hate themselves and Bush.
Fred, you wanna keep score and pick the dividing line for when the toll begins (or began, IMHO) accruing?
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Doctor, No we must removal all the Americans and just drop the bomb. We did it before and we should do it again. Show everyone not to mess with America. They started it, we finish it. We will not be backing down, just sort of going out with a bang. Kicking some serious a$$
I spoke off the cuff & immediately after becoming infuriated and nauseated from the photos of the American hostage, Paul Johnson but would like to add a few items listed below.
I totally agree we are in a war for our very existence, but the majority of so-called 'westerners' do not in the least actually fathom the extreme seriousness of the planned global madness of the enemy. In fact the Left in America & abroad are assisting the monstrous objectives to exterminate the non-Muslim world. Think of this enemy of a high-tech Mongol Horde of the 21st century.
There are deliberately instated ongoing counter measures all through the Persian Gulf region concerning the primary requirement to slash monetary flow to the Shi'ite brand of terrorism. The 'mullah removal problem' is a top priority.
Israel is planning a surprise for Iran as well, to prevent any future Iranian goals on raining down a holocaust on the Jewish nation, shot from Iranian skies.
Counter Islamic fanatics threats are underway from southern Sudan through Chad with boots on the group & our eyes in the sky. Stepped up attacks on Pakistani-Afghan-border based al-Qa'ida hideouts.
I believe the Bush Administration has already made economic plans once Saudi crude is disrupted through multi-acts of devastating sabotage.
If the Bush administration lets out everything underway to counter the threats by the jihadic movement & the governments which wholeheartedly bankroll them, the Kerry bunch will twist and warp our present and near future countermoves for purely election purposes which in my opinion is tantamount to aiding the Islamic terrorist cult.
The 'progressive' types should be reminded the fanatics of Islam view all Americans as one, no matter how often the Left bashes American troops as 'invaders' and continues to harp on the Iraqi prison rubbish, while I wonder how many of those sell out traitors are upset about Americans being beheaded by savage members of the death cult,
If it was up to most us in here, the Saudi 'royal' family can be flushed down the drain by the very monsters they created.
Oil politics clouds the mind and principals.
The link is a Syrian Kurdish overview.
Posted by: Mark Espinola ||
06/19/2004 2:29 Comments ||
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Mark - Thx for the reply... a few comments...
I'm with you up to this point: "There are deliberately instated ongoing counter measures all through the Persian Gulf region concerning the primary requirement to slash monetary flow to the Shi'ite brand of terrorism. The 'mullah removal problem' is a top priority."
Can you elucidate a little? I see the Wahhabi Sunni money flow as the main problem, not the Shi'a - so I'm confused. And what sort of counter-measures? I've long favored and argued for a decap in Iran - and I believe that, time and politix permitting, it will be Bush's top priority at year's end.
I'm back on-track after that beginning with the Israelis perhaps being party to the Mullah / Nuke solution, but I don't think they'll have to act alone unless Kerry wins.
Re: N. Africa (Sudan / Chad / et al) these are not a direct threat, but a human catastophe issue, no? Can't we use a low-key strategy, such as arms and intel, to avoid this calamity without many boots? Or is that what you're saying?
I agree that there will be plans regards securing the Saudi facilities, attempting to minimize flow disruption, and restabilizing financial markets.
I absolutely agree that any plans made public now will become so politicized that it would merely distort and confuse the issues and the public. I, too, hold out little hope for our rather thick (in more ways than one) fringe in the US. Soma, perhaps? Neuromancer wireheads? They are only speedbumps in our economy anyway, so...
#45
Mark - Excellent link on Kurds - I'm laughing my ass off - for real - reading about the headaches the Kurds are giving all their jailers / oppressors and the concessions they are (finally) beginning to get.
Seeing the freedom of the Iraqi Kurd is causing unrest among all the others, lol! I wish the Arabs were 1/10th as intelligent! 10M in Turkey, 5M in Iraq, 1.5M in Syria, and 3.5M in Iran -- nothing to sneeze at - or ignore. And they're sitting on the Syrian and Iraqi oil. Lol! Mebbe they won't get screwed this time!
I've got a feeling that the Assad clique will lose this struggle - the Iraqi Peshmerga are bound to sympathize & arm them if he tries the crackdown strategy implied at the end of the article. It's impossible to keep them down on the farm once they've seen the big city lights... And the Kurds are patient - they've been under someone's thumb for the last 500 years.
First of all, I might have jumped the gun when I said that they were celebrating in Khobar. According to the Arab News, they arrested some terrorists there last night. I do not buy it. Too much of a coincidence to go tearing through Khobar right after they announced Johnson's murder, unless the terrorists to be captured were celebrating. We will know the truth sooner or later.
About the computer questions:
Is it possible to find out the name of the registrant of a website? I have tried the Whois and this is what I got:
Domain name: venezuelanalysis.com
Registrant Contact:
RegisterFly.com - Ref# 9261263
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+1.2122952121
Fax: +1.2122952153
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Technical Contact:
RegisterFly.com - Ref# 9261263
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+1.2122952121
Fax: +1.2122952153
230 Park Avenue
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New York, NY 10169
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Billing Contact:
RegisterFly.com - Ref# 9261263
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+1.2122952121
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230 Park Avenue
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#49
This is what I was able to get - not much that you didn't already have...
Lessee what some Utils say...
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Site IP: 64.191.57.43
Email Address: editors@venezuelanalysis.com verified / responding (Mail server: mango.aporrea.org)
Email Address: 9261263.fly@spamfly.com verified / responding (Mail server: registerfly2.com)
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So you have a Venezuelan Site on an ISP in Pennsylvania. There seems to be nothing unusual or obfuscated about the site info - everything checks out.
See if badanov can find out more. Mebbe he has some of the sexier tools. I used standard email verification and Visual Route output - that's all I have on my little laptop these days!
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Is there anyway that I can contact you or you can contact me that is not on this site? I would like to explain to you my interest on this webite and others coming from Venezuela (country of origin for moi).
#51
We can exchange email addresses through Fred: Fred@rantburg.com
He has mine, so just email him yours and tell him to forward it along to me (CC'ing you) and we both have the other's. Go ahead and state your email address in the email you send him so I don't have to try dig it out of the headers if his obfuscates previous addresses when forwarding!
#5
Another victory for the Religion of Peace (tm).
Posted by: Rafael ||
06/18/2004 14:04 Comments ||
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"18 June 2004 - "The Zero Hour Approaches"
Earlier today a posting appeared on one of the Arabic language jihadi boards, posted by a long-time poster known as PrinceBinLaden. The message states:
The time of the zero hour approaches and it is necessary for citizens to
The time of the zero hour approaches and with the ending of the period with sunset, it is necessary for citizens to stay in the streets and behave as it everything is completely normal. Cars and pedestian and so on. But after the Iftar signal, two minutes later you will not find anyone in the streets. Then to the nation, I beg that all of the people stay in the streets in all the districts in the largest possible numbers
A follow up posting sets the "zero hour" as sundown on Friday (today) Mecca time. Based on this, and the references to the Iftar call, I believe this post refers to Saudi Arabia.
PrinceBinLaden claims to be in North America, and frequently states his time zone as "New York Time".
Analysts at the Northeast Intelligence Network believe that this posting refers to the deadline set by Abu Hagar for the release of the jailed militants by the Saudi government. At some time after that point, the militants have threaten to kill the hostage Paul Johnson .
It appears that PrinceBinLaden is calling for the people of Saudi Arabia, Riyadh specifically, to take to the streets in a spontanous demonstration."
I am fu***ing livid. The above was posted in the North East Intelligence Site. After the news of Jonhson's decapitation, I got a call from a friend in Khobar. She reported that sirens were blaring and people were honking in celebration.
#7
A4617 - "sirens were blaring and people were honking in celebration"
This is new - the Saudi "police" have always shut down demonstrations of any kind (that I was aware of, anyway) in the Eastern Province. Not good, if true.
They've had dipshit "experts" on Fox TV blathering about supposed Qu'uranic prohibition against shedding the blood of captives, blah, blah, blah. As if any actual human being needs to be instructed regards killing an innocent.
I believe, because of his strong afinity for Saudi, his long-term employment there, "friendships", etc. that this killing will have as large an impact as the Khobar Killings. To most Americans, I think they'll say to themselves that this guy was "their friend" and he should've been the last American "they" would harm. I believe it will accelerate the exodus, make the average American here at home much more militant, and might even result in pressuring (welcome pressure, IMHO) the US to ratchet up the animosity toward the Saudis.
These cretins have killed 2 or 3 bird at once by killing Johnson:
1) accelerate driving the Americans out of SA
2) further damage Abdullah with a harder US stance
3) Nayef's star rises as Abdullah's falls
So who's running SA? I think it's clear that Nayef now holds the reins. An unintended result, IMO, is that the US will be able to more easily (politically, internally) go hardcore with SA. State and other apologists have just lost face and status in the US policy game.
Tagline:
So, there's this stolen 40km wide strip along the Eastern coast of Saudi Arabia that provides the funding for the vast majority of the terror in the world and removing it from the hands of turbans of any stripe would stop the insanity dead in its tracks in 90 days...
#8
First and most important, condolences to Mr. Johnson's family.
Did anyone really anticipate any other sort of outcome to this situation? As if the Saudi police were going to successfully intervene when they could not manage to do so at Khobar?
Johnson may as well have already been dead.
After the news of Jonhson's decapitation, I got a call from a friend in Khobar. She reported that sirens were blaring and people were honking in celebration.
And yet the 9-11 panel managed to exculpate Saudi Arabia. America should forcibly extract all ex-pats and let this sh!thouse melt down to the ground. Once the Wahhabist make any sort of power grab, we go in and take the oil fields and cordon off Mecca and Medina.
Give all Islam a reverse taste of the autocracy they so dearly love. Ever want to set foot in your precious shrines again? Clean house or no more pilgrimage. Any questions?
It will never be broacasted but they cannot control what leaks out anymore. My friend also said, that the Iman of this particular mosque close to her compound sounded frantic in his sermon. She does not speak Arabic but she said the pitch of his voice was frightening.
"sirens were blaring and people were honking in celebration.." The police was probably trying to disperse any sort of gathering. Remember, most men were out at that time since the behading occurred after Prayer. I will get more details tomorrow.
.com,
You are right when you say that the killing of Johnson will accelerate the exodus of Americans out of Saudi Arabia. My husband is putting in his resignation tomorrow. I am sure, he will not be the only one. Enough is enough!
If anything good can come out of this bestiality, I hope is, like you said, to make Americans more militants.
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I'd like to see this celebration. I would like to see it broadcast from the highest mountain. The more people see it, the better.
Probably wouldn't matter. It's still obvious from watching footage of various "demonstrations" that there is still a large group of people (mainly lefties) that still hate the U.S. and Israel and sympathize with Paleos, even though it's common knowledge that they celebrated when NY and DC were attacked.
#14
A4617 - "they cannot control what leaks out anymore"
Absolutely true - I sure hope someone took a few frames of video and emails it out. As Rafael clearly implied, such footage would be devastating - as the Palestinian 9/11 celebrations were... that little fuck-up cost them a lot of US support.
I truly believe this signals the end. Nayef's remarks about wanting US intel, of course, is only so he can keep his minions safe from the US. The Saudis whose IQ exceeds their hat/shoe size will recognize that this act shouts down all of the apologies. I remember being stopped by Saudis after 9/11, people I didn't know, telling me that I (we) should not feel that all agreed with such insanity. Now the gloves will come off and those people will keep to themselves while the pro-jihadists will be pre-eminent - their day in the sun. Then the reality of the ramifications and effect will come home when the US tilts further away and the political coverage for all of those former State Dept assholes and pricks like Bandar and Zogby, et al, are handled far rougher than they're accustomed to. This plus the Khobar Killings is the tipping point. My $0.02.
#15
They've had dipshit "experts" on Fox TV blathering about supposed Qu'uranic prohibition against shedding the blood of captives, blah, blah, blah.
Ignoring, of course, that all such injunctions are over-ridden by the all-jihad, all-the-time message ol' Mo' took on at the end of his life. AND, of course, that all the Islamic scholars tack on "unless necessary to defend the ummah" to every ruling they make against violence.
Remember, most men were out at that time since the behading occurred after Prayer.
No doubt the brave jihadis needed to get their Hate On at the mosque. I'm actually surprised they didn't behead him IN a mosque during prayers.
I guess that's next year.
Posted by: Robert Crawford ||
06/18/2004 14:51 Comments ||
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It's still obvious from watching footage of various "demonstrations" that there is still a large group of people (mainly lefties) that still hate the U.S. and Israel and sympathize with Paleos, even though it's common knowledge that they celebrated when NY and DC were attacked.
You mis-spoke. It's not "even though", it's "BECAUSE".
Posted by: Robert Crawford ||
06/18/2004 14:52 Comments ||
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A4617 - I am glad to hear it - PLEASE take care!!! Easy for me to say but, hey sis, you're family here, too!!!
#19
My heartfelt condolences... how sad that it was to be expected.
You know, I'm really hoping for a Bush victory in November because Saudi Arabia must be dealt with rather sooner than later.
It's about time to strike the beast in its heart.
#20
sirens were blaring and people were honking in celebration
In retrospect, it will seem silly to say it, but this shocks me. I guess it's time to reevaluate my faith in human nature and to thank the good Lord above I was born a Christian.
I could be funny and say that, "first Blair, next Putin and now Saudi Arabi making statments that will help reelect Bush"....
However, this really is such a wake-up call that humor is inappropriate. This will be a turning point in American tolerance. It is a sad day, indeed.
Posted by: B ||
06/18/2004 15:14 Comments ||
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TGA - Thanx and Agreed - he's the only hope the US has... and the Tragic Kingdom has just crossed over. BTW - good to hear from you - I'm glad you've had time lately!
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So, there's this stolen 40km wide strip along the Eastern coast of Saudi Arabia that provides the funding for the vast majority of the terror in the world and removing it from the hands of turbans of any stripe would stop the insanity dead in its tracks in 90 days...
Am I missing something? Forgive me for being so dense, but what are you talking about?
Hey, Gentle, you out there? Come tell us some more about your wonderful religion.
Posted by: Matt ||
06/18/2004 15:22 Comments ||
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#24
Pics are up on Drudge right now. Pretty disgusting. Know your enemy, folks. These are they type of people that the Euros want to appease. Coming to a neighborhood near you if you remain fat, dumb, and happy.
Posted by: Alaska Paul ||
06/18/2004 15:23 Comments ||
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When are we - the west- finally going to realize these people are playing for keeps. It is absolutely impossible to fight these people one at a time like we are trying to do now.
This is a war, not a police sweep. It is a war of cultures and ideology. These beheadings will NEVER stop as long as we continue on the path we are on. We cannot kill them fast enough and we will not/can not win their hearts and minds.
The only way to ever stop this is to bring a horrendous, horrible, totally devastating reaction by the West - one from which the Arab world and culture will never recuperate. Their culture as a whole is as guilty as the murderers. They do not denounce murders like this; they do not denounce the fundamentalists; they do no denounce their preaching. Through their silence they clearly and loudly condone the killers.
We will not do that though because the West thinks this is too barbaric and not a civilized reaction. We have âprogressed farther than thatâ and we are âbetter than that.â Because we think like this, we fail to see the world as it really is. The âAnne Frankâ attitude that âthere is good in everyoneâ adopted by the West is simply not true. There are good people, bad people, smart people and dumb people.
They started this war. While I do not think we will ever "lose" this war, I do not think we will ever see it end. Our current strategy will not bring victory â it will bring perpetuity. To win we must destroy their will, their culture and their ideology.
I want them to fear us rather than like us. I want them to be too afraid to even look at our flag. That is the only way to guarantee peace with their culture. That is all their culture understands.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam ||
06/18/2004 15:28 Comments ||
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#26
This is a war, not a police sweep. It is a war of cultures and ideology.
No. Not, at least, to our enemies.
It's a war of tribes, a war for basic existence. They started it because they believe their tribe to be the ubermensch, and because they believe their way to be superior to all that came before and has come since. They want us to be their slaves and concubines, to take everything we have ever built, smashing anything they can't smuggle home to their tents and crapping on whatever's left.
They started it NOW because they thought -- and still think -- they can beat us. That we'll beat ourselves, actually.
I'm not entirely sure they're wrong on that point.
Posted by: Robert Crawford ||
06/18/2004 15:41 Comments ||
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A4021 - It's sort of an inside joke. We once had a discussion about Saudi funding of terror (which is probably about 75%-90% of the total, world-wide) and that there was a drastic but straightforward way to stop it: take the oil. You see (map) that the oil in SA is actually in a rather vulnerable location: a strip of land along the Eastern coastline about 40 KM wide running from Kuwait in the North to Yemen down South. Also postulated was that the current Iraq situation would afford a very convenient cover for taking this oil away from the House of Saud / Wahhabists: Just stage the right mix of rotating troops out of Iraq in Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar -- easily done under the radar (stealthily without notice) and take the goddamned oil away from them.
That's the gist of it. Of course, there's more, such as the ease with which the oil flow could be localized to that area - cutting off the rest of Saudi - due to the pipelines, that most of the refining and terminal opns are within the producing area, that the "Govt" is off in Riyadh, etc. - i.e. that there are many aspects of what, where, who, etc. that make this a possibility.
I've tried to get military specialists and IK (In Kingdom) people to post and help flesh it out, but there hasn't been alot of feedback outside of the RB regulars. Maybe it's NOT feasible - unable to say for certain, but common sense and my own military experience and time in Saudi tells me it is. If the RB Search included comments, I could look up some of the far more extensive / detailed posts, but this is the general idea. Plz comment, if you like!
#28
Through their silence they clearly and loudly condone the killers.
What silence? They celebrated 9/11 and they celebrated this murder!
They don't merely condone, they idolize.
Posted by: Robert Crawford ||
06/18/2004 15:43 Comments ||
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.com - Would be nice if the US would actually do what you describe, and take the oil. I'd also like to see the water desalinization plants along the coasts taken out. Let them get their 7th century paradise for real.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats ||
06/18/2004 15:44 Comments ||
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#30
Anon1, .com is referencing our plan for the Republic of Eastern Arabia, a secular, multi-cultural, democratic state that runs 40 km along the western edge of the Persian Gulf from Kuwait to the UAE. It has a parliament, an elected president, religious tolerance, freedom of expression, the vote for women, a major medical school, and a bitchin' honky-tonk bar.
There are some minor details to work out with regard to some current occupants of the land, but it's nothing that our security consultant, OldSpook, can't handle.
Posted by: Steve White ||
06/18/2004 15:49 Comments ||
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#31
Dr Steve - Lol! Perfect! As the obvious Secretary Of Health for The Republic of Eastern Arabia, you should have some fun designating other Cabinet Officials. OS is certainly our Rummy! Lol! This could be hysterical!
BTW, I don't want an official post - the real money is in consulting, of course! OS may feel the same!
#34
Anonymous4617, please know that you are in my own (and, I'm sure, many others') thoughts. Be sure to let us all know loud and clear when you make it out of Saudi Arabia. I wish you good speed back to your loved ones at home here in America.
Yosemite Sam, this isn't "war". If you want the gloves taken off, then you must recognize militant Islam's intent for what it is.
Jihadist Islam seeks no less than GLOBAL CULTURAL GENOCIDE.
#35
Anonymous4617. Ditto on what Zenster said. We are very concerned for you and your family's safety. Let us know when you are out of the zoo. I think that Saudi Arabia will have to go through some very painful times with its people before it ever comes out of darkness. I hope and pray that the people wake up. The process is inevitable; I just hope that it comes out for the better.
Posted by: Alaska Paul ||
06/18/2004 16:41 Comments ||
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#36
Adel Al Jubair has been giving a press conference full of the usual slimy Saudi verbiage.
Finished by saying there is a siege / gun battle in Riyadh going on right now and some unspecified number of the Johnson killers have been killed, Yadda3.
Amazing. Couldn't find him until he's dead. Then magically the body is quickly found and they are after the baddies and in some gun battle. How fortunate...
#37
Amazing. Couldn't find him until he's dead. Then magically the body is quickly found and they are after the baddies and in some gun battle. How fortunate...
Pinning the blame on some conveniently obtained corpses shouldn't tax the abilities of Saudi Arabian law enforcment too very much.
#38
The gun battle will undoubtedly be like those of the old A-Team fire fights on TV. Lots of shooting and nobody gets hurt.
Posted by: Alaska Paul ||
06/18/2004 17:25 Comments ||
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#39
It is a measure of the fascists' depravity and Euro-media fed bigotry that they commit these atrocities in the apparent belief that it will intimidate us.
This morning GWB was talking tough about the impossibility of negotiating with the terrorist vermin ("therapy won't work").
It is time for action to match his words:
1. Give Sharon the go-ahead to wipe out Hamas and Hezbollah, with the Syrian crime syndicate/government as a bonus target if they dare to intervene.
2. Resume the offensive in Fallujah and against the Al Sadr militia and don't stop until these Islamo-savage gangs have been exterminated to the last man.
3. Initiate a global Phoenix program to deal with terrorist and Islamo-fascist support agents, including propaganda agents.
4. Round up all illegal immigrants from Islamic countries and deport them as quickly as possible. (this should be done anyway.)
5. Open secret negotiations with India and Russia with the objective of organizing a joint covert action campaign action against Islamofascism and its supporters.
6. Issue a blunt ultimatum to the Iranian mullahs to abandon their nuclear development plans. Destroy a high value military target; say, their their nascent submarine force; as a token of sincerity.
#40
Now Fox just reported that they killed the "leader" - the one posturing for the cameras as Johnson's killer. My oh my that IS convenient. *golf clap*
#41
Indeed, .com.
The FBI's interview with this thug might have been most enlightening.
Is that a sigh of relief we hear from certain royal Fraudi circles?
#42
To the Johnson family, my prayers and condolances.
To the vermin, I think the time has come for the US to build a large tower in Mecca. At the top, put a nuclear MOAB. Tell the religion of Islam, "The next time a Muslim kidnaps, shoots at, threatens or kills an American, Mecca joins Sodom and Gomorrah."
#44
A4617 -- Hoping that you get out of there safely and quickly, along with all the other expats, both American and other nationalities. That place is just far too crazy from the outside....can't imagine what it's like on the inside.
And yeah, Saudi law enforcement is the best. Oh yeah. Ask anyone who ran into them at the Arizona Law Enforcement Academy for "training" (yup, some of them came to America to supposedly learn how to be cops. Guess it didn't work, but then if there were certain officers who were their trainers, I'm not at all surprised.)
#45
Pinning the blame on some conveniently obtained corpses shouldn't tax the abilities of Saudi Arabian law enforcment too very much.
No doubt the bodies were too mutilated for independent identification. Oh, and according to Muslim custom, they have to be buried by sundown tomorrow, and, in accordance with Wahabbi custom, in unmarked graves.
Posted by: Robert Crawford ||
06/18/2004 21:24 Comments ||
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Actually, this is two stories in one: Paul Johnsonâs whereabouts/health status still unknown, and Prince Naif spouting fatuousness in Le Figaro. Found this link in Google News, dunno much about the reliability of "ArabicNews.com", although I note that they donât mention that the FBI is searching in KSA as well.
The Saudi Arabian authorities intensified its efforts yesterday to find the American hostage Paul Johnson with the beginning of the countdown of the grace period given by the al-Qaida organization to execute him which expires today ( Friday) if the authorities will not release the organizationâs detainees in its jails. Since Wednesday evening, the Saudi security forces are searching for evidences leading to the kidnappers of the American citizen. Witnesses said that the security men broke into several houses in al-Sweidi quarters, the best resort for the gunmen and Daret al-Badia and al-Bader ( to the south and Southern west of al-Riyadh), al-Morouj and al-Masyaf ( to the north of al-Riyadh)." A source explained that the police men " entered several houses and inspected them and confiscated CD and computers." Press sources said the security men detained men and suspected persons in the suburbs of northern and west of al-Riyadh where it besieged two houses believed that one of them was sheltering the American hostage.
The Saudi daily al-Jazeera quoted a security source as saying that the security forces are working intensively to free the American hostage and that several security departments are taking part in searching for the American citizen who is believed to be still inside al-Sweidi quarters.
Meantime, in a statement to the French daily Le Figaro, the Saudi minister of the Interior Prince Nayef Bin Abdul Aziz yesterday called on Washington for a greater cooperation with his country in the intelligence information to fighting terrorism and al- Qaida organization. Nayef told the paper "we need a support in the field of information especially from the stronger countries currently existed in Afghanistan and Iraq," naming not the US. He added "we are waiting for this information," noting that Saudi Arabia " does not need help inside its borders where the ministry of the Interior uses all means" to fight terrorism.
#1
A Man-on-the-Street interview: Residents of the three fundamentalist districts searched by police, which lie in western and southern Riyadh, suggested that the kidnappers enjoyed popular support, partly because of U.S. policy in Iraq and its perceived backing for Israel. "How can we inform on our brothers when we see all these pictures coming from Abu Ghraib and Rafah?" Muklas Nawaf, a resident of Dhahar al-Budaih, asked as he ate meat grilled on a vertical spit at a restaurant called Jihad, or holy war in Arabic. "This is not a little skirmish. It is a war," Nawaf said. A man who was shopping in Sweidi with his family said he saw little prospect of Johnson's life being spared. "These (kidnappers) are holy warriors, heroes, who never waver, even if they will fail," Mizahen al-Etbi said. "All Saudis hate Americans, not only these heroes."
#2
nice - back to nuking the Arab holy land and drilling through the glass for our oil
Posted by: Frank G ||
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And a statement from the clown prince: As Saudi forces intensified their search for Mr Johnson without success, the country's de facto ruler, Crown Prince Abdullah, made a televised threat to the kidnappers. He warned of an unprecedented security crackdown if anything happened to Mr Johnson. "Be assured, the kingdom has enough men whom you haven't seen so far, but within the coming few days you will see them," he said. Saudi viewers saw the crown prince talking to the father of the terrorist who led the recent killing rampage in the eastern city of Khobar, where 22 people died. The two were seen walking together as the father publicly disowned his son, who was wounded.
#4
"All Saudis hate Americans, not only these heroes."
Well, then. That's clear enough then.
Why do we tolerate these twits?
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06/18/2004 13:21 Comments ||
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I do hope we are investigating the hacking on that website in San Jose. As I mentioned yesterday in Sefarious' posting, "Saudi hostage video hosted on hijacked US web site", there are some odd coincidences at this end.
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May God bless his soul and comfort his family.
We're in a war with savages, people who honestly believe in their twisted little minds that putting panties on men's heads is equivalent to wholesale murder. And that the later in some ways justifies the former. They are plague upon our world. I truly wish we could show them that their god is a false god, their prophet nothing more than a pedophile and murderer. Destroying one of their 'holy' cities would be a good start. I am so sick of these vermin!
#15
If the Saudis were serious about stopping this then THEY needed to go on the offensive. Like I said yesterday, they get the names of the terrorist prisoners from the hostage takers, then they execute the terrorists and display heads on pikes. Then demand that the hostage be released or there will be more terrorists executed. The hostage takers need to realize that THEIR actions will cause THEM harm. Turn the tables on them. Being on the defensive in situations like this means that you already have LOST.
What this incident will do is to accelerate the non-Saudi exodus (quite the word) out of the country of people that run the oil industry. Thus in effect, accelerating the downfall of the Saudi Royal (f**kup) po-litical machine.
The Royals cannot s**t their way out of a wet paper bag. Sorry for being scatalogical, but it best describes the madness in Saudi. Besides, I hate to see relatives begging terrorists for the lives of their loved ones.
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06/18/2004 13:51 Comments ||
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shit I said that backwards, obviously I meant that putting panties on men's heads justifies their murdering innocent people. I'm so pissed I can't see straight. I'm glad no moooslimes live near me this day.
#18
Destro - Whoa, bro - don't say shit like that. I get your meaning and understand your frustration, but that is off the board. I know you weren't making a threat, but puhleeze be clearer about it. Preview is your friend, bro.
Besides, I would much rather see a "holy" city nuked. ;-)
#20
Destro, that's just a dumb thing to say, and not very productive. Also, it doesn't compare to the calls for nuking Mecca that sometimes pop up here. (Those are mostly tongue-in-cheek, I hope.)
On a separate note, Nayef's remarks are interesting. I am convinced that he is pulling the marionette strings behind bin Laden (or at least holding the purse strings), and this seems to be a push on Nayef's part to find out how much we know about AQ and its relationship with the KSA. I hope we give him bogus intel and see what comes of it.
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06/18/2004 14:02 Comments ||
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Tibor - I'd hope Prince Naive has an accident ....soon
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AllahHateMe---Panties on someone's head is just an opportunistic excuse for the hostage taking and possible beheading. Al Q sees a weakess and they will exploit it. If we are strong, they back off. Unfortunately, the ME is weak on taking the right position on fundamental issues. The EU waffles, so it is only the US, UK, Australia, etc that stand up. And we have our own house to deal with during all this turmoil.
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06/18/2004 14:14 Comments ||
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I dunno Tibor...I can think of any number of scenarios where this is the end result and I wouldn't lose a moments sleep over it. In fact I'd rest easier. Double those odds if Nayef becomes Maximum Leader. BTW, I'll check out reports of celebrating in Soddi Land over the beheading. Nice folk.
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06/18/2004 14:20 Comments ||
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I apologize for my reckless remark, and to anyone offended. I'm angry, frustrated, and hungry for justice. Attacking innocent muslims in America would not be justice, and is counter-productive It's just so goddamn aggravating that this shit is allowed to go on, with absolutely no consequences for the murderers. Nick Berg, Robert Jacob, and Paul Johnson are true martyrs, and it's a shame that their killers are sitting under a palm tree, sipping lemonade.
#25
I'm becoming less and less enchanted with this "Middle Eastern democratization" stuff with each passing day. And with each passing day, I become more convinced that someday, it's going to come down to a war of extermination: it's either them, or us. One or the other.
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06/18/2004 14:31 Comments ||
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Perhaps its time we parked a battle group or two offshore of that 40-mile long streach of land in Saudi Arabia which provides most of the finacial support to Al-Q. Take off the fucking gloves.
Perhaps a few fighter/bomber flights over Mecca and Medina....
In 30 or 40 years, the West *might* wake up from its slumber and realize that these bastards have to be killed. Until that awakening comes, more innocents will perish, and the left will continue to navel-gaze while moaning "Why don't they like us?".
#28
Given that the Saudis couldn't even capture supposedly cornered terrorists doesn't impart a lot of confidence that they'd succeed in any "search" for a non-Saudi being held hostage.
#30
Rex M, I too can think of many scenarios involving the nuking of the Soddies. However, none of them involve a response to the beheading of a couple of Americans, regardless of how awful that is and how angry that makes me feel. If, God forbid, that happens, it will be in response to some devastating attack on the US or the West. Given that a huge percentage of the world's known oil reserves are in the KSA, there is no chance that we will lob a nuke on them for the hell of it. If it happens, its Armageddon time (or 5 minutes after a US scientist perfects cold fusion).
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06/18/2004 15:29 Comments ||
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Tibor: Agreed, responding to today's events by going nuke-ular is not the way to go. I was more or less thinkin' aloud on the epiphanal aspect that watching a holy city or two get carbonized would have on the moose-limb umma. We had better meditate long and hard on this and what it means for everyone and everything we hold dear - as I fear we are well along that road.
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06/18/2004 16:19 Comments ||
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Which prisoners were the terrorists trying to free?
I would think the first step would be to execute the prisoners they were trying to free.
#33
Sounds to me like Nayef's comments are laying groundwork for the old "it's all foreigners doing this bad stuff" routine and by extension it's not his ministery that's incompetent,it's the Americans fault.
BTW,if you are thinking revenge,I suggest mass cruise missile attack at every mosque during worship whose religious leader has called for death to Americans.You don't get rid of ants by stepping on workers one at a time,you go for the queen-aka the mullahs,Ayatollahs,etc. who preach war.
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06/18/2004 19:06 Comments ||
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It's about time for someone to behead a muslim in America.
#39
staying Anonymous ? Coward and Piece of Shit apply more than troll
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06/18/2004 20:58 Comments ||
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"Nony":
.com's been here for a long time, and I think he knows far more than you. You're the one still blathering about killing Muslims; Destro's already apologized. And if you read carefully, you'll notice that a lot of the blather on the site comes from people like you, not from those who have questions to ask or facts or views to share. And not only have you stayed anonymous, but you've been 5274, 5275, 5276, and 5277. And you've been annoying. Either stop flinging your crap or go away.
Posted by: The Doctor ||
06/18/2004 21:05 Comments ||
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Doctor. ".com's been here for a long time, and I think he knows far more than you."
True, he's been here a long time, but so have I. And you really aren't in a position to know whether he's smarter than me or not, given that you don't know my background. Minor detail.
"You're the one still blathering about killing Muslims; Destro's already apologized."
Good for for Destro. I could take a little whirl around the old RB landscape and produce a plethora of comments that pretty much advocate the same thing. Most of them posted by regulars. Or doesn't hypothesizing the nuclear destruction of Arab centres of worship count?
BTW, I do think it will come to that.
"...but you've been 5274, 5275, 5276, and 5277..."
Oops! Sorry old boy, my bad! I'll work on that.
"Either stop flinging your crap or go away."
Please, please, let me join the club? You let M4D in. If I spell bad and don't punctuate, can I join?
FrankieG. "Coward and Piece of Shit"
Takes one to know... Lot's of folks post under a pseudonym, Frankie. Pot, Kettle. Kettle, Pot!
#42
you've been Soooooooo informative Nony, thanks
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06/18/2004 21:47 Comments ||
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So you've been here for a while. Great. I read the site for almost a year before I actually decided to speak up. And I don't know your background, but if you're just going to come in and start flinging insults, well, I'm not going to assume a great many flattering things about you.
As for the killing and destruction thing . . .
Maybe it isn't right to hypothesize it. But how many of those comments that you'd find are legitimate "what if?" scenarios, how many are spoken out of pure anger at what they do, and how many are absolutely serious? A good number may be half-serious, and perhaps that isn't a good thing - but I don't think that we'd ever, if any of us were in that position, consider going nuclear as anything but a last option. It's nice to think about - but what it symbolizes, in this case, is our frustration, and our desire to do something that will shake the Islamic world out of the murderous, backwards madness it's stuck in. Calling for the killing of Muslims here is a pure revenge move, prompted, as Destro himself said, only by frustration. I doubt he'd ever actually do it, although he might feel like it after hearing of the atrocities that they perpetuate. And I seriously doubt that a great many of the people who talk about nuking Mecca would truly get any pleasure out of it. In a way, it's so horrific that the only way to comprehend it is to joke about it . . . because it will mean that in the final struggle of them and us, we refused to let them destroy us, and were forced to kill them all first. And while we may yet have to do that if there truly is no other way, I don't think any of us would really be happy, just relieved that it would be over.
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Lol! You certainly knew I was referring to you, heh! Wotta 'tard.
This has the jejune inane feel of NMM. Not a compliment. Stop wasting Fred's bandwidth, twit.
#45
I am really ashamed of my foolish comment. Attacking innocent people will not take us forward, only backwards, in our War on Terror. And that is what I'm all about, winning the War on Terror. I love my country, and I love my fellow Americans, no matter what God they choose to worship. To see things happen like what happened today, to Paul Johnson, made something in my brain snap. Posting, while I am pissed off, is something I will refrain from doing in the future.
As for the flamefest my comment seems to have sparked, remember fellas UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.
#46
Doctor. May I call you Doc? "Great. I read the site for almost a year before I actually decided to speak up. And I don't know your background, but if you're just going to come in and start flinging insults, well, I'm not going to assume a great many flattering things about you."
Great. That's not quite as long as I've been monitoring the, mostly, stimulating discourse here. I'll send you a prize. I do believe, that the first insult flung, ("Dipshit Troll")was done so by dotty.
Oh, wait, I see that he has flung a few more. Oh my, sigh, I suppose I will just go and draw a warm bath and slit my wrists. Just kidding! 8-)
For your ease of reading I will, from now on use the "anger" and "frustration" tags to signify that I'm just venting my rage at the atrocities commited by the Islamonazis. Will that help?
Dotty. May I call you dotty? "This has the jejune inane feel of NMM. Not a compliment."
No, you see, NMM comes in and flings shit against the wall then leaves. He almost never responds to comments directed his way. At least not with the wit and aplomb that I do. I'm not sure that "aplomb" is even in his vocabulary.
"Stop wasting Fred's bandwidth, twit."
You should practice what you preach. Oh, and you should lay off the sauce there brother, it isn't good for a man of your age. The liver you know.
#47
Destro, that's fine; I did the same thing myself once, and was told that if you screw up, admitting it goes a long way towards making it better. We all do it once in a while. Think nothing of it.
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06/18/2004 22:18 Comments ||
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Desty. "As for the flamefest my comment seems to have sparked..."
No "flamefest" just Dotty pissin' in the corner to mark his territory. Nothin' to see here folks, move along.
You see, some folks can vent & rage all they want, and others get BS'd (bitch slapped) by the old hands. One must keep the newbies in line you see, eh, wot!
#49
I don't drink, dimwit - and if you had been around as long and as well-informed as you claim...
Since you've failed to post any, it's apparent you're unable to discuss substance. And what's even more apparent is just how impressed you are with yourself - approaching infinity, it seems. So, between you and me, you level out at zero.
The greatest of faults, I should say, is to be conscious of none.
- Thomas Carlyle
#50
Nony, I'm in no mood to argue right now. Let me just say this: you came on, spit out a couple of insults, and then when someone called you on it, you got upset. There is NO such thing as an innocent Moslem! They are all guilty! All of them. Nony I'm sorry, but that's just plain obnoxious. Yes, .com said something, but it had nothing to do with kicking down the newbies. Hell, I might still qualify as a newbie, given the length of time some people have been posting here. But he didn't kick Destro, who later apologized. Just think about the difference, okay? I'd rather not waste any more time or bandwidth on this argument; it really isn't worth it for either of us. Or for anyone else here.
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Fred? Cleanup? - babyfood, aisle Nony
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06/18/2004 22:51 Comments ||
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Frank / Fred - I'd be interested in an IP check against a couple of people. I'll bet "Nony" is not anonymous at all.
#53
me too, but I don't have that kinda access to the Lair of Fred
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Heh - I know Fred's working his ass off - learning how to be a contractor: give 'em more than they expect, come in under budget and before deadline - thus you'll never be out of work. He's just doing too good a job of it, lol!
Fine, don't argue then, you're outclassed anyway. I get paid large sums to argue. Also your sense of continuity is miscalibrated.
I came in and posted a few on topic comments in support of other posters comments. .com gets his fur roughed up a little and hurls a few insults.
No problem. If that is the best he's got, he's paper tiger. With regards to Moslems, they are all guilty.
There are militant Moslems and passive Moslems. The passives secretly pray for the success of their militant elements. That makes them guilty in my eyes.
The only benign Moslems are by definition, Apostate, so, they can't really be viewed as Moslems.
Upset? Hardly! This has been tremendously amusing. But, I have some briefs to write so I'll be moving on, for now. [Ahnold] I'll be back![/Ahnold]
Look, I'll make this quick. You can't have your cake and eat it too! Unless you have two cakes.
Unless the "West" sheds its artificial veneer of civility, and thrashes the Izoids completely, modern civilization is lost. Period.
I for one would whack as many of them as necessary right now, to avoid them killing one or more of our cities. Screw them. They are here in our midst, already. They pop a city or two and the only way we will remove them is by declaring marshal law.
Dotty.
You are halfway to being a wit mate! I couldn't give a popcorn fart about where I register with you.
Anyone that posts quotes in general, and particularly quotes by Carlyle only demonstrates how pretentious they really are. You are one amusing old fart.
#59
Lol! Such a pundit, wit, and man-about-town! Pray tell, what have you ever posted? A vacuous pretender, 10¢/dozen - your clientele are some serious suckers... sell your list? Lol!
You believe whatever makes you feel comfy in your little world. Reply all you want, I'm off to bill some hours. BTW, there are other professions besides Law that involve the writing of briefs.
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I've seen this entrance before. Same self-aggrandized puffed up arrogant bluff - with nothing behind it. No relevant resume, no original substance, no personal knowledge, no actual experience. Reads. Implies, may even believe, that equates to wisdom. Facility with language and empty repartee might amuse, but it doesn't inform. But RB is changing, maybe he belongs here, nowadays.
#63
Nonny,
If that's what you believe, that is fine; thank you for stating your views. I'd be more than willing to listen to you - but your initial posts came across as somewhat obnoxious. I cannot tell you what .com thought, for obvious reasons, but . . . well, I suppose making a comment on such a controversial thread - especially on such a sensitive topic - is not the best way to introduce yourself. At least, it didn't work for me (and no, that's not saying it has to, I'm not so arrogant), but if I overreacted, sorry. Starting a rivalry with someone like .com - "paper tiger" or no - isn't exactly the best way to begin, methinks. Contributing to the discussion with facts helps, but . . . oh, hell, guess I've gone into lecture and rambling mode again, and it isn't my site; I probably have very little right to. Anyway, you want to be given a chance? Give us one, too, and we'll all be happy.
As for the Islamic problem, I don't know how to solve it. It may come to nuclear weapons - but if it does, it will either be a last resort for our side, or a knee-jerk defensive reaction from someone who doesn't think that a more conventional approach like GWB's could ever work (the infamous I-want-it-my-way-and-I-want-it-now syndrome). The two might go hand-in-hand if something big enough happens, but I pray that's not the case, because that would mean that a lot of innocent people on both sides have been killed. We can't wipe out Islam without trying to reform it first. They would without a second thought, but a long-term solution that shows the superiority of the West's philosophies requires that we try and fix it first. Islam is rapidly diminishing what patience we have, though; our hand won't be extended forever.
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06/18/2004 23:43 Comments ||
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Actually, this entire war reminds me alot of John W Campbell's essay called Tribesman, Barbarian, Citizen. I tried to find a link that had it done out, but all I could find was listings. It is really and truly worth reading if you can find a copy of it. It was printed in The Stars at War, edited by Jerry Pournelle.
(This guy has been out in the Arabian sun for toooooo long)
SEATTLE - Saudi Arabia is introducing political and social reforms but it will remain a monarchy committed to Islam, a spokesman for the countryâs US embassy said on Thursday. Nail Al Jubeir, information director for the Saudi embassy, said in a speech to the Seattle World Affairs Council that some of those outside the country calling for reform wanted a separation of church and state. âThatâs like ... saying âthe Vatican is a state and the seat of the Catholic church. Weâve got to separate themâ,â he said. âYou are going to have a pope for your political issues and a pope (that) deals with the religious issues and the two shall never meet. Itâs not going to happen,â Jubeir said.
Saudi Arabia, the worldâs biggest oil exporter and the birthplace of Islam, has launched a program of cautious reforms including municipal elections later this year. De facto ruler Crown Prince Abdullah has promised the reform process is unstoppable, but also warned the kingdom would not be embarking on âreckless adventures.â Saudi Arabia is battling a tide of violence linked to Islam Osama bin Ladenâs al Qaeda network which wants to topple its pro-US rulers and turn it into an even stricter Islamic state. Jubeir ruled out any abdication by the royal family. âPeople look at the king and the royal family as a symbol of national unity,â he said.
Five years, outside.
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Not a good idea to bring up Pope and catholics, although both have their share of perverts.
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The more I read, the more I become convinced that the Saudis are going down, and probably sooner than later. Only question is, will we move to stop the Islamic nutcases (redundant, I know) from taking/destroying the oil? .com, what's your take on this?
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Dr - I'd bet my retirement fund that the US has, at least, a few different plans for how to secure the oil if the "Saudis fall" - I put that in quotes because there are obviously various forms of this - with differing probabilities. I'll start a list - everyone should pile on with their own, then we'll see how it pays out... First, the possibilities, and everyone can say what they think each will "mean" regards a US response.
1) The House of Saud "falls" - all of the Royals bail out and leave it to the Wahhabi freaks created in the last 30 yrs.
2) The "pro-Western" Princes (that sounds absurd because, well, because it is, heh) bail out - leaving it to Nayef, Turki, Wahhabists, Tame AlQ???, etc. The post-House of Saud pecking order is created / accepted without further serious conflict. One of these entities is in charge and the others kow-tow.
3) Bona-fide Saudi civil war breaks out, but The Royals, both groups in the divided House of Saud, decide to stay and try to save their game.
4) The House of Saud "falls" and all pro-Western Princes bail - and Nayef / Turki try to hang one but find themselves in full civil war with AlQ types. #2 without the post-fall harmony.
I don't know if this one makes any sense, since I believe Nayef has just "won" the battle of The Seven:
5) The "pro-Western" faction of the House of Saud "wins" and Nayef / Turki faction(s) either runs off or is eliminated in a coup by Abdullah's faction.
I guess the question of continued jihadi activity or even civil war against Abdullah's faction continues after #5 by default.
Well, see any other major situation?
And the results for any of these situations? Which ones invite intervention, or do all do so?
I can post what I think, but I'd rather hear from others for a change!
EFL
South Korea will send 3,000 soldiers to northern Iraq beginning in early August to assist the U.S.-led coalition, the Defense Ministry said Friday. Once the deployment is complete, South Korea will be the largest coalition partner after the United States and Britain. South Korea plans to send 900 troops to Kurdish-controlled Irbil in early August, followed by about 1,100 troops between late August and early September, Defense Ministry spokesman Nam Dai-yeon said. Another 1,000 soldiers will travel to Iraq later.
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How about we send 3,000 of our guys from SKorea, and they can put their 3,000 troops where ours used to be?
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BH, you hit it on the head...however I would go one further, have S korea keep it's own troops around it's own DMZ, and we pull our 37,000 troops out and send them to Iraq/Afgan to buffer our guys! Sounds good to me.
The man accused of supplying the dynamite used in the al-Qaeda train bombings in Madrid was in possession of the private telephone number of the head of Spainâs Civil Guard bomb squad, it emerged yesterday. Emilio Suárez Trashorras, who is alleged to have supplied 200kg of dynamite used in the bombs, had obtained the number of Juan Jesús Sánchez Manzano, the head of Tedax. The revelation has raised fresh concerns in Madrid about links between those held responsible for the March bombings, which killed 190 people, and Spainâs security services, and shortcomings in the police investigation. Señor Suárez Trashorras and two other men implicated in the bombings have already been identified as police informers. Other members of the group had evaded police surveillance, despite concerns within the security services about their activities and evidence of their association with al-Qaeda. The telephone number of Señor Sánchez Manzano was contained in a Civil Guard dossier handed to Juan del Olmo, the investigating judge, at the National Court in Madrid. The number was written on a piece of paper found in the possession of Carmen Toro, the wife of Señor Suárez Trashorras. Both are in custody accused of supplying dynamite used in the Madrid bombs.
#1
Oops! Tedax / Trashorras (what a moniker...) Spot Check! Signs of recent seething? Tracks? Does he carry a compass (for prayer time... Mekkah, y'know)? Hows about ol' Carmen? When's the last time either was seen eating Albondigas or Lomo de Cerdo? Does they have the recipes in the little card-box? Hmmmm?
#5
Government murder of it's own citizens? Say it ain't so.... sounds too familiar. (Tim McVeigh watching an old Frank Sinatra movie at Elohim City, Warren Buffet eating bacon at Offat AFB watching his company burn on TV, Buzzy Krongard watching the stock ticker at 8:35 am on 9-11, Scooter Libby rubbing his dirty palms together as he drools, Lynn Chaney writing 'B is for bomb' on company time at Lockheed-Martin, Lon Chaney and his perfect hair wondering which way the wind is blowing, etc. ad nauseum...)The big question is: what lie was told to all the players to get them to go along with all this- Space aliens invading? China about to set the world on fire? A dying planet? A power struggle within for control of the world? Did 'his majesty' Juan Carlos meet with the false gay prince of England and the closet gay prince of the U.S. and plot to murder their own in order to control them more?
... muchas mas cervezas aqui, por favor- it's going to be a bumpy fight into hell...
#6
good thinker # 5 and we need more people who can think clear like you are, just remember be very careful in now a day time, because a lots of people didn't like you, they said you are a crack pot, but for me you are a genuine gold pot thinker
and absolutely genuine human being who love the truth eventhough the truth is out there. k-tut
#7
yes #6 its true, I am a gold-plated bedpan. I have a love/hate relationship with humanity- They must be destroyed in order for them to survive!!! LOL!
#8
Anybody know anything about the Spanish end of the Brandon Mayfield affair? FBI arrests Oregon lawyer Mayfield cuz they say they have his fingerprint on bomb backpack, obtained from Spanish police; FBI holds him incognito, using unconstitional Patriot Act; story gets out, FBI insists he's connected to the Spanish bombing; turns out, he's completely innocent--Spanish police say FBI fingerprint was wrong. The whole thing smells like the Captain James Yee affair at Guantanamo (same scenario--Bush Inc. testing out its new fascist powers harassing innocent people). I figured there must be a good guy or two among Spanish police. True?
An Algerian man suspected of training in al-Qaida camps and cultivating ties with well-known terrorist groups across Europe was extradited to France, judicial and Interior Ministry officials said. Said Arif, 38, was sent to France on Thursday from Syria, jailed and put under investigation - a step short of formal charges - for alleged links to terrorist organizations, the officials said. In an unusual statement, the Interior Ministry confirmed the extradition, describing Arif as "very mobile and experienced in all the terrorist techniques taught in Afghanistan and Chechnya." His alleged background led officials to "consider him one of the most hardened jihadists our country has faced in the last few years," the statement said. Two French anti-terrorism judges, Jean-Louis Bruguiere and Jean-Francois Ricard, had issued an international arrest warrant for Arif, judicial officials said. The Interior Ministry said he had been tracked for months by French and foreign services. Arif's lawyer, Felix de Belloy, suggested that the background details about his client may have been coerced out of him in prison. "My client was held for one year in Syria in extremely difficult conditions," he said. "Statements made during that year in detention must really be subject to caution."
Now where did I put that violin?
Arif, also known as Slimane "Slimey" Chabani or Abderrahmane [the Arabic form of "Spike"], is a native of Oran, Algeria. He is believed to have deserted his North African nation's army and spent time in al-Qaida training camps in Afghanistan, the ministry said. The Interior Ministry said his name had come up in investigations into one of "the closest lieutenants of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi." The "lieutenant" linked to Arif is believed to have operated in the Caucasus, the ministry said. Arif also is believed to have "close relations" to a group of Algerians that led a foiled plot to plant a bomb in the bustling French holiday market in Strasbourg on New Year's Eve 2000, the ministry said. That cell was based in Frankfurt, Germany.
The ministry said Arif was able to escape capture and head to the Caucasus, notably Georgia, where he collaborated with al-Qaida militants. There, he met veterans of Afghan camps who would later be arrested in France on suspicions of plotting a chemical attack against Russian interests. The network was dismantled in December 2002 with the arrests of nine suspects in the Paris suburbs of La Courneuve and Romainville. At the time, the ministry said that three of them had trained with Chechen rebels and met "high-level al-Qaida operatives" in Georgia's Pankisi Gorge, near its border with Russia. The extradition came in the framework of the French judges' wide-ranging investigation into networks of militants linked to Chechnya. Judge Bruguiere's previous successes include tracking down the infamous terrorist Carlos the Jackal.
Excellent, now just hang on to him.
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Arif, also known as Slimane Chabani or Abderrahmane
I wish I'd known about the flexi-name program back in the 6th grade. Report cards would have been less stressful.
Via Drudge. Iâve got my own problems with the commission.
Vice President Dick Cheney said that there were clearly ties between Saddam Hussein and the al-Qaeda terrorists, and he called the New York Times coverage of the story "outrageous."
Rest at the link; it's Drudge so it won't be there long.
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Great! Give em hell. Another overreach by the bias big press.
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First it was "acting in concert" now it's "links" and the NYT is a GOP mouthpiece with Ms Miller banging the drum for the war in Iraq--remember--even the right wing nutz that run the Times had to apologize for her lies!?
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Right.. But lets say you are right Mike, so what?
The best you can say is that Iraq was unfinished business that needed to be dealt with. That he was America's enemy and was in the process of developing WMDs. He did have links to groups like AQ, and allowed Answer Al Islam to operate in his country. So even if Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11, he still needed to be dealt with, sooner or later.
The fact still remains that there were plenty of good reasons for removing Saddam, some even a lefty like you should applaud, but won't because it was not your guy who had the balls to do a damn thing about it. There were no good reasons to NOT remove Saddam.
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BORGER: And they say that there was not one forged and you were saying yes, that there was. Do you know things that the commission does not know?
Vice Pres. CHENEY: Probably.
That's the most telling statement in the entire interview. He no doubt knows a bunch the commission doesn't, and for intellegence reasons I'd bet they'll never know. Would anyone want that BenVineste idiot out there grandstanding with sensitive material? Additionally, it should come as no suprise to anyone here that the old gray bird cage liner comes down on this the way they did. They should be ashamed of themselves, and are apparently to stupid to realize that they have just demonstrated once again that they have zero credibility.
If the Times said water was wet - I'd have to check for myself.
By the way Ben, you're wasting your time responding to NMM, in all the time I have been lurking here, he has shown himself to be impervious to even the most reasoned arguments.
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What ever happened to the Franklin Roosevelt democrats? Have they vanished from the face of the earth? Or are they, without moving from their political position, simply the 'Centralists' of the spectrum now that the 'liberals' have gone so far left?
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What ever happened to the Franklin Roosevelt democrats?
They are now the dreaded neocons.
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These sorts of statements by Cheney are about 3 years over-due. The distortion of "news," as Cheney says sometimes malicious and sometimes just incompetent, has mushroomed to unprecedented levels.
Read the whole interview pertaining to Iraq/AQ. Towards end of that segment -- in unwitting illustration of what Cheney's talking about -- Borger AGAIN repeats the mistake Cheney had been discussing. It's hilarious, and also a reminder of a key problem in the media: the preponderance of ... uh ... rather unintelligent people in the business.
Three years of silence leave me pessimistic that this is anything more than an anomalous outburst by Cheney. The breaking point was reached a year ago in July, when the preposterous Joe Wilson non-flap over nothing was met not by correction and derision ("Niger" not mentioned in SOTU) but by utterly bizarre finger-pointing between Rice and Tenet. I can't believe we're going to see that intern or whoever he is working as press sec. start taking on the press aggressively and substantively.
Just as 9/11 changed the rules for security and intelligence, the morphing of media into little more than propaganda called for a change in media relations strategy -- one that is still not systematically in evidence in the administration.
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Verlaine, Cheney has pushed back hard on several occasions, including his flat statement that Saddam had WMD, period. Caused an uproar at the time, State Dept. was ... umm ... discombobulated etc.
It seems to be both his belief and his role in this Administration, as he has made it clear he has no aspirations to other office & can say what he feels needs saying.
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NMM are you going to nY to pretest the rethuglican convention? This blog had a good article about classes for prespective activists yesterday. I hope to see you there.
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#6 Well, you might ask, what ever became of the Scoop Jackson Democrats? It is my understanding that Lieberman is trying to reenvigorate the Commttee on the Present Danger, the bipartisan group that fought the Soviets tooth and nail.
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Yesterday, my wife, who is pretty well informed and not stupid, said that she thought the 9/11 Commission's report would hurt Bush since the administration has not come forth with more evidence of an Iraq/al Qaeda connection (or of WMDs for that matter). My response was that the administration has to have evidence that they will spring on the doubters and naysayers in the media (and the electorate) at the appropriate time. I'm not sure if it will be an October surprise, but it will be timed to benefit Bush's reelection campaign, and it will succeed. Events could intervene, of course, but if I were a betting man, I would bet that Bush, who's been described as an excellent poker player, has a few cards left to deal. For all of our sakes, I hope I'm right.
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The bottom line is that MOST Americans, who aren't members of the press or "Dean for America" campaign, dont' give a damn if Sadaam and AQ represent a story of blood brothers or a blood feud.
Bottom line for normal people is that Sadaam, a man who mass raped, tortured and murdered, is gone. The End.
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Our good Veep has got to wonder what the h*** is going on. The Cabalist AP has an article showing a Pew Poll : Poll Suggests Bush Support Has Grown in which they, with left-polluted braincells state, "What's not clear, however, is the effect the Sept. 11 commission's Wednesday statement that it has found no credible evidence Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida had a collaborative relationship will have on the polls." Appearently Lurchy is starting to leak at the seams, and even "Nurse Fuzzy-Wuzzy" in her "dog-wannabe" mode can help. {ARF!}
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Cheny should be mad. The NY Times has an agenda to help Kerry win, and if they lie a little to do so - so be it. Their purpose is to undermine public confidence in the Iraq war, the WoT, and our stature in the world community - all for the sake of an election. Well enough is enough. How many heads have to roll before people begin to understand? For me, I guess it took three. No more mindless dissent uttered with the naive belief that it does no harm other than to the Bush campaign.
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"I'm not sure if it will be an October surprise, but it will be timed to benefit Bush's reelection campaign, and it will succeed. Events could intervene, of course, but if I were a betting man, I would bet that Bush, who's been described as an excellent poker player, has a few cards left to deal. For all of our sakes, I hope I'm right."
I hope so too, but I'm beginning to lose faith in the "rope-a-dope" thing: there's been so much erosion in the public's support for what Bush is doing, I'd think he'd have already done something to bolster it. Instead, all we get out of this inarticulate administration is passivity.
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From the Council on American-Islamic Relations
We, the undersigned Muslims, wish to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty in the name of Islam are not only destroying innocent lives, but are also betraying the values of the faith they claim to represent. No injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the massacre of innocent people, and no act of terror will ever serve the cause of Islam. We repudiate and dissociate ourselves from any Muslim group or individual who commits such brutal and un-Islamic acts. We refuse to allow our faith to be held hostage by the criminal actions of a tiny minority acting outside the teachings of both the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
CAIR extends its condolences to the family of the victim.
[Individuals and organizations representing more than 600,000 Muslims worldwide have already signed the CAIR petition.]
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I looked at the website and their petition, but failed to see any list of signatories. My cynical self wonders if it was just a dignatory of Saudi Arabia (representing the Royal family = 400,000) and some web macro registering as "Shaheeda #(a+1)" for the other 200,000.
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There is an alternative explanation: it could have been an inside job.
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I reposted this from yesterday. Shows how tangled and messy the WOT can really be.
How was some obscure civil engineering firm in San Jose selected?
This "Tim Redd" sits on an advisoiry committee for civil engineering at Evergreen College with one "Dr. Akthem Al-Manaseer" who is a civil engineering professor at San Jose State. The good professor is also a member of a Philatletic club called The Ottoman and Near East Philatelic Society Prof al-Manseer's specialty is stamps from "Mesopotamia and Iraq". Uh-huh.
Note : The two al-Manseers are the same - SAME EMAIL.
It get curiouser and curiouser.
I'd like to know who else Professor al-Manseer hangs with besides Stamp Collectors. A college Professor at San Jose State probably knws a lot of student programmers of Mid-Eastern descent who might facilitate hacking?
Update : Now that Johnson has been murdered, it is imperative that the persons involved be questioned further
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you guys are probly not believe this but ime went to evergreen college up till spring 2001. ima know alot of middle easters there always tell me conspiracy theories. im always intrasted them stories cuz they were so far out.
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not particuly. that 3 years ago i last attend biged. considering its community college peples arent usualy there that long. there were a lot of middle easters tho and ima remeber a few were real whack jobs. one got alot of peples angry becuz she make a big speech that blacks arent shuldnt be allowed have cell phones becuz they are just use them sell drugs and set up dates with women to fornicate. she had tons of peples pissed including me.
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I am a colleague and friend of Dr. Al-Manaseer. The implication that he is involved in any illegal, unethical or anti-American activity is ridiculous. Dr. Al-Manaseer is a kind and honorable man, a dedicated teacher and a patriotic American. You should be ashamed to suggest otherwise. Subjecting him and his family to such accusations is dishonorable and in these times, potentially dangerous. In my view it is libel and could open all those making or allowing such false and malicious accusations to legal action. This posting should be removed immediately.
Imam Fawaz Damra's American dream ended Thursday. His mosque, the Islamic Center of Greater Cleveland, must struggle with the possibility of losing its leader. And Damra, convicted Thursday in federal court of lying about past links to terrorist groups, must find a new country to call home since he almost certainly will be stripped of his citizenship.
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He sacrificed it all, a jury concluded, to persecute Jews. "This is a victory in the war on terrorism," said Cherie Krigsman, a federal prosecutor. "He had serious and long-lasting ties to a terrorist organization that persecuted Jews and others." A panel of eight women and four men deliberated four hours before finding the Palestinian-born Damra guilty of lying on his immigration form in 1994. He will be sentenced Sept. 9, two days before the third anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks on American soil. Damra faces up to five years in prison and deportation, and remains free on bond. EFL, more at link.
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Imam Fawaz Damra's American dream ended Thursday.
With this opening line, I'm not sure if the reporter was trying to be ironic, ingratiating, or ignorant.
[Defense attorney] Hollander said Damra never knowingly lied, that he simply supported the groups. For example, she said, several people sell Girl Scout cookies but are not members of the organization.
The first bearded guy that shows up at my door in a green dress, sash, and beret selling Jihad Scout cookies is gonna meet the business end of my dog.
excerpted from a press release by the Muslim American Societyâs Freedom Foundation. Possibly newsworthy as a newsie asked Boucher about the detention at the State Department Daily Press Briefing. Boucher responded that he couldnât release information about Ahmed Abu-Aliâs situation wihout a Privacy Act release signed by the detainee. I enjoyed that answer. Ahmed Abu-Ali, age 23, is a U.S. born citizen and an honor student who was valedictorian of his high school class. Ahmed Abu-Ali also has been detained and possibly tortured while being incarcerated in Saudi Arabia for over a year. According to Saudi authorities, Mr. Abu-Aliâs detention has been at the request of the U.S. Government. -snip- details about the situation
According to MAS Freedom Executive Director Mahdi Bray, "When we look at Abu Gharib, the possible presidential memo on torture, individuals sent by the U.S. to third countries for torture, the wrongful detention of American Muslim attorney Brandon Mayfield and what has happened to Ahmed Abu-Ali, we must question with the utmost seriousness how our government is waging this war on terrorism. We must resist with every fiber of our being a war on terrorism waged at the expense of the life and liberty of the Muslim community. If we fail to do so, this guilt by association, hysteria and rush to judgment impacting our community will be a huge dark stain on the fabric of Americaâs commitment to human rights, due process and justice."
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..rush to judgment impacting our community..
On the contrary, it's been a long time coming, guys. Silence and seeming indifference on your part as your fellow adherents commit atrocities of the worst kind (while invoking the name of Allah a lot of the time) tends to have that sort of effect on a lot of non-Muslims...
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As well you should be sarge, especially in light of the facts of islam that we have been uncovering daily. I wonder why they would now begin to "condemn these brutal acts" when for so long, they only condemned mosques being damaged in Iraq. They are not to be trusted and I suspect many more muslims are practicing taqiyah...
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If you are an American, and do not find what was done to our Fellow American, Mr. Johnson, then I think you need to move to a country that asks nothing of you, except existing.....We all need to give something back to the Giver that gave us LIFE, whoever that might be. But to accept the life as it is becoming, would be suicide.
The United Nations nuclear watchdog has issued a worldwide high-security alert warning countries, including South Africa, about the dangers of possible nuclear terrorism attacks.
This is from a South African paper...
Information given to the Pretoria News shows that the South African government's security agencies, including the police, received several warnings from the International Atomic Energy Agency two weeks ago about the possible threat of a terrorist nuclear attack, either occurring in this country or being launched from it.
That's interesting. South Africa's kinda off to one side of my radar...
The warnings were issued by the IAEA on June 2 to all countries using nuclear power, or in possession of or manufacturing nuclear weapons - and gave advice on how to combat the smuggling of nuclear materials for "dirty bombs". The alert comes less than a month after an al-Qaeda terrorist cell was uncovered in Jordan hours before its members were to detonate a biochemical explosive outside that country's military intelligence headquarters. On the same day another al-Qaeda cell was smashed in the UK where police and anti-terrorism authorities, according to national Police Commissioner Jackie Selebi, found "boxes and boxes" of fraudulent South African identity documents and passports. The arrests of the terrorist suspects came three days after four Jordanian nationals were captured in South Africa a week before the elections in April. It is believed that the four, two of whom were deported to Jordan, were members of an al-Qaeda cell operating in South Africa. The cell is believed to have been planning several operations which would have involved blowing up numerous US and UK businesses in South Africa on the day of the elections.
Hadn't heard about that one...
In a statement, the IAEA warned that countries throughout the world had to work together to prevent such terrorist attacks from occurring. The IAEA said that top priority had to be given to the theft of nuclear weapons which "represents the most serious threat with potentially devastating consequences". The IAEA outlined several scenarios, including that of a terrorist organisation using "dirty bombs" made from highly enriched uranium. "Although sophisticated equipment and expertise is required to manufacture and detonate a nuclear device, the possibility cannot be discounted," the agency said. It said it was working to promote nuclear security measures considered essential to forestalling such threats. These steps include the physical protection of nuclear materials and related facilities, as well as the control of lost or "orphaned" radioactive material. In addition, the IAEA helps countries to detect any black-market activity through border patrols, training of customs officials, and the maintenance of a database on illicit trafficking.
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Hmm. I wonder if there is a connection to this story about British "Atomic Police" scaring villagers while searching barns and fields near nuclear waste sites in Britain?
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The IAEA said that top priority had to be given to the theft of nuclear weapons which "represents the most serious threat with potentially devastating consequences".
Um ... no, you stupid sh!ts. IAEA's top priority should be amassing international support for military intervention in Iran to stop their nuclear buildup, which you have wasted almost a year dithering about.
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Considering the way the South Africa government has been making generally anti-Western noises, this would be about as surprising as, I dunno, a stripper with a boob job.
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China plans to reject continued immunity of U.S. citizens from prosecution by the International Criminal Court, because of the abuse of Iraqi prisoners, according to the countryâs United Nations envoy. The stance may align a majority of the Security Council against the protection. Chinese Ambassador Wang Guangya, 54, said in an interview today his government would abstain from any vote on the measure, joining Benin, Brazil, Chile, France, Germany and Spain, and leaving the U.S. short of the nine votes needed for approval in the 15-member, decision-making body. ``The atmosphere this year is not good because of this scandal over prison abuse,ââ Wang said, referring to instances of mistreatment by U.S. soldiers in Iraq. ``This will send a message that this behavior is not acceptable. My guess is that the council is split half and half, so they donât have enough votes to support this.ââ
The Security Council voted in 2002 to protect U.S. soldiers and personnel from other nations that havenât ratified the creation of the court through a treaty, and last June renewed the immunity for a year. The U.S. is concerned the treaty doesnât include safeguards against politically motivated war crimes prosecutions, including possible action against U.S. troops in Iraq. Council members who oppose a U.S. draft resolution extending the immunity for another year have been waiting for China, which has twice voted for the protection, to signal its intention. Defeat of the U.S. resolution might imperil future votes on UN peacekeeping missions, such as the proposed deployment of troops to Sudan. Two years ago, the U.S. vetoed a Security Council resolution to continue the UN mission to Bosnia-Herzegovina on concern that American personnel could be vulnerable to prosecution by the court. Immunity was granted the next month and the mission was renewed.
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There goes that next deployment, I assume?
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Oh China and war crimes, huh?
Anyone asked the Tibetans yet?
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"Hello? Yes, is this Prime Minister Shyi-kun? George, here. I have some military hardware available that I think you might be interested in, and at very reasonable prices....."
EFL
NINE MONTHS AGO, as a confrontation loomed between Iran and the United Nations over Iranâs illicit nuclear programs, three European governments staged a preemptive operation. Flying to Tehran, the foreign ministers of Britain, France and Germany struck a deal with Iranâs Islamic regime: The Europeans would block a referral of Iranâs violations to the U.N. Security Council and provide technical cooperation, and in exchange Iran would stop its work on uranium enrichment, fully disclose its nuclear programs and accept a new U.N. protocol giving inspectors greater access. The Bush administration was upstaged; some in Paris and Berlin smugly suggested that it had been given an object lesson by the Europeans in how "soft power" could be used to manage the rogue states in President Bushâs "axis of evil."...
......if a crisis is to be avoided, a better strategy is needed. The Bush administration, which once advocated referral of the Iranian matter to the Security Council for consideration of sanctions, now is merely pressing for a deadline for Iranian compliance. The Europeans reject even that as too aggressive. Yet it should now be clear that if Iranian nuclear ambitions are to be checked, Europe -- and Russia -- will have to forcefully employ the leverage of their diplomatic and economic relations with Tehran. So far, only carrots have been offered -- and they have produced no results.
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The "Supreme Leader" who appoints everyone and is accountable to no one. This is a classic definition of a dictator. So why is there a question about where the power resides.
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The $64 question is "Why hasn't somebody offed the son of a bitch *and* his little guardian council, too?"
But I'm not aware that anyone has even tried.
When it comes to displaying a calculated contempt for the United States, Europe and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) over nuclear weapons development, the mullahcrats in Tehran are in a class with the Pyongyang Stalinists. As the IAEA meets in Vienna to consider a European-drafted resolution pointing to Iranâs continued refusal to come clean about its nuclear program, representatives of the Islamist regime continue to threaten the agency. The speaker of the Iranian parliament yesterday warned that members may not ratify Iranâs signature to an additional protocol to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) â something insisted on by the IAEA after it discovered that Tehran was attempting to develop atomic weapons in violation of its obligations as a signer of the NPT. The speaker, Gholam Ali Hadad-Adel, suggested that by pressing Iran to tell the truth, the Europeans were doing the bidding of nefarious "Zionists." Late last month, the head of Iranâs powerful Revolutionary Guards warned that that the regime was prepared to launch suicide attacks or missile strikes against "29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West."
Iranian President Mohammed Khatami (who is usually depicted in the Western press as a moderate) has denounced three European Union countries (Britain, France and Germany, known as the "EU 3") who have tried to put together a compromise arrangement in which Iran verifiably ends its pursuit of atomic weapons â much as Libya has. Indeed, Mr. Khatami has hinted that Iran will withdraw from the NPT if the international community tries to force it to tell the truth about its nuclear activities. Unfortunately, there is little evidence thus far that either the United States or the EU 3 will move decisively to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. While Britain and France seem to be inching toward a somewhat tougher approach, they have shown little interest in putting any kind of a deadline on Tehran.
While Washington has done a commendable job of articulating the problem that would be posed by nuclear weapons in the hands of rogue governments like the one in Iran, it has shown little stomach for confronting the regime anytime this year. While the West delays taking action, congressional investigators reported yesterday that Beijing is sending nuclear technology to Iran in exchange for oil. In short, while we pass resolutions at the IAEA, the situation grows more dangerous. It is looking more and more like 2005 will be the critical year when the West will decide whether it is prepared to live with an Iranian atomic bomb, or take decisive action to prevent one from being developed. We understand that the United States and Europe are exhausted by Iraq, but we donât have the luxury of being exhausted. The truth is that the world will become a much more dangerous place if Iran â ruled by a violent, paranoid cabal that routinely employs terrorism as an instrument of state policy â is allowed to acquire a nuclear capacity. That would be intolerable.
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Late last month, the head of Iranâs powerful Revolutionary Guards warned that that the regime was prepared to launch suicide attacks or missile strikes against "29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West."
Isn't it time for the morons here and abroad to take this declaration of war for what it really is, namely, a DECLARATION OF WAR?
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smn - And you would like him to be where, doing what, exactly? And how would you go about building the public concensus for your actions? And you would answer to Congress for acting illegally how? For that actually would be a potentially impeachable offense. No, I don't think you mean this literally. And I understand your frustration. Long has Iran been recognized as the 2nd-most important target in the ME. Many of us posted this fact and extensively about the logic for why, what was, and was not, happening within the public view. You're on target with your sentiments, but you have to crank the mechanical wheels of the system to get the satisfaction you want. So you'll see him kissing babies and the whole shebang between now and November so that the Mad Mullahs of Iran can be tipped over before they can act.
excerpted from State Department Daily Press Briefing. I read the statement as a revision of an inaccurate IAEA statement that the Iranians are guilty as hell to a more accurate statement that the Iranians are guilty as hell in a slightly different way.
QUESTION: A couple of quick ones.
Do you have -- as you, Iâm sure are aware, the IAEA today said that it had wrongly accused Iran of failing to disclose certain information about its potential nuclear weapons-related technology imports, do you have any comment on the fact that they apparently inaccurately said that Iran hadnât disclosed (inaudible). Do you feel this, in any way, your case or belief that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program and has failed to come clean on that?
MR. BOUCHER: No, in fact, oddly enough, it only points out more how hollow Iranâs denials and statements have been because what the IEA said is, in their report, they said that Iran had not told them about the magnets, but they then found out later that they had heard about it in -- I guess there was -- Iran produced a tape recording of an Iranian private citizen telling an IAEA inspector orally in January that he did import P2 magnets.
So the Director General of the IAEA has correctly and responsibly revised one part of one sentence of the June 1st report. But we would note that up until May, the official position of the Iranian Government was that it had not imported P2 centrifuge parts and the Director Generalâs report also indicates not until May that Iran acknowledged, for the first time, details about seeking to procure 4000 magnets with specifications suitable for P2 use.
So even though you had an Iranian telling the inspector in January that they had tried to buy magnets, that they had bought P2 magnets, the official position of the Iranian Government, the denials of the Iranian Government continued all the way through May. So, once again, weâre faced with a situation of finding that Iran has, in this case, not only denied what the inspectors knew, but denied that what an Iranian had told the inspectors.
We have, you know, repeated indications where in February that they also wrote to the IAEA that only P2 drawings had been received in 1994, without any components of the P2 centrifuge. Again, the Iranians, apparently, already prior to that date, told the IAEA that they had imported these magnets for the P2s.
So weâre, once again, left in the situation where we find that Iran has spent months and months and months denying things that were known, months and months trying to pretend that it was not doing things that finally became known and then it finally admitted it. We think it is important that scrutiny of the IAEA continue on Iran, and we are working with other governments at the IAEA to produce a resolution for the board that will say that, that will continue that process.
The negotiations on a text in Vienna have continued. We are working with the Europeans who have produced drafts of the text. The board has, I think, recessed now for the day until tomorrow. A resolution text has now been tabled, I understand, on Thursday, and we expect that the board would act on it tomorrow.
QUESTION: Did it call for the matter being referred to the UN Security Council?
MR. BOUCHER: I think now that it has been tabled, youâll see the text in Vienna. It calls for Iran to meet its commitments, for Iran to fully disclose the information that it has promised and to stop making excuses or denying things that are true, and it calls on Iran to meet its commitments to others and its requirements under board resolutions.
QUESTION: But does it look like theyâre going to (inaudible) and just drag this thing out as long as possible and then withdraw from the MPT?
MR. BOUCHER: You would have to ask the Iranians.
Obviously the rules for proliferation were different in 1994. I agree with the State Department that 1441 proved that the Security Coucil is irrelevant and there is no purpose to bringing Iranian non-compliance before the UNSC we can all be annoyed again with its stupidity.
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Srinagar: Five persons including a father son duo were killed and one person was injured in different incidents across the State since Thursday evening. Reports said police today recovered two human heads from the forests of Soipathri Behak, Tral today. These were identified as of Muhammad Akbar and his son Ali Muhammad, residents of Zazbal, Lam Pulwama. Reports said the father son duo had gone to Soipathri Bahak, Tral where they were reportedly beheaded by unidentified gunmen.
A hotel owner was killed by unidentified persons at GoniKhan, Lalchowk Srinagar today. Reports said that a group of unidentified gunmen entered hotel Gareeb Nawaz and shot dead its owner Javaid Ahmad son of Muhammad Shafiq of Malaratta Srinagar. Police today claimed that one militant Liaqat Ali Mughal son Gul Zaman of Pakistan was killed in an encounter with troops at Reshinard, Aishmuqam on Thursday. Police also claimed to have recovered arms and ammunition from the slain militant.
Body of a woman was recovered from a stream at Kulangam Nallah, Kupwara on Thursday. The deceased Gulshana daughter of Muhammad Munawar, resident of Baripora, Handwar had been missing from his house from May 5. Police has taken cognisance. One Zakir Hussain son of Ghulam Hussain Gujjar was injured in an exchange of fire between militants and troops at Thanammandi. The injured was later admitted to hospital where his condition was said to be stable. Unidentified gunmen kidnapped one Muhammad Ibrahim son of Karim Baksh of Manu Gandoh and his 22 year old daughter Maryam Begum. Police have launched hunt to trace the abductors.
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WTF is it with Islam and beheading? Time to lop an Imam head or two?
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Comamnder (Amir) Hasan, Assistant of the Chechen Commander, Amir of Islamic Brigade of Shaheeds (Martyrs) Riyadh as-Saliheen (Gardens for the Righteous) Abdallah Shamil Abu-Idris, reported to Kavkaz Center news and information agency that last Sunday June 13 the Brigade's Command had a session under the chairmanship of Commander Abdallah Shamil. The progress of the combat objectives for the spring-summer period and the results of recent special operations by the Brigade against the occupying force and national traitors were on the meetingâs agenda. Commander Shamil's Assistant reported that the Brigade's Commander spoke highly of the special operation at the Dynamo stadium on May 9, when the head of the puppet administration Akhmad Kadyrov was removed. Commander Shamil pointed out that this special operation will go down in chronicles of the art of military sabotage. He stressed that the act of sabotage was carried out with meticulous attention to detail, which he said shows that the Chechen Mujahideen in charge of intelligence and sabotage activities are highly professional and are a force that has a serious potential. Commander Abdallah Shamil personally thanked and congratulated the Mujahideen who directly served the sentence of the Shariah Court and who were also present at the session.
Commander Abdallah Shamil made a brief statement for Kavkaz Center, which was forwarded with the report about the session on Wednesday via e-mail, that Brigade of Shaheeds (Martyrs) Riyadh as-Saliheen (Gardens for the Righteous) has prepared a «series of special operations against the invaders' forces, where the enemy will suffer serious casualties both militarily and politically». Abdallah Shamil did no specify the location, nature or time of the combat operations. He only said that «our attacks will be very painful for the Putin regime and will take it by surprise».
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Britain's foreign aid chief says the international community may have to intervene militarily in Sudan's western Darfur region if the security situation does not improve. Mr. Benn has recently returned from a visit to Darfur, where more than one million black African residents have fled their homes to escape attacks from government-backed Arab militiamen fighting two local rebel groups. "We have got one million people displaced within Darfur. We have got about 180,000 people who have fled over the border into Chad," he said. "And in one sense, the most worrying thing is not only the circumstances in which they find themselves, but what about the people whose circumstances we do not know about. And it really is a race against time to save lives."
Mr. Benn says Britain is lending financial and moral support to an African Union mission, which hopes to deploy 120 cease-fire monitors in Darfur by the end of July. He says Britain also will fund a U.N. human rights monitoring team seeking Sudanese government permission to work in Darfur. However, he says if the fighting continues despite those efforts, the international community may have to consider military intervention. "If there is continuing insecurity, then the world community is going to have to consider what more can be done to ensure that the flow of people leaving their homes does not continue," he added. "Because if there are continued attacks and people have to flee, then it is adding to the scale of the problem. And secondly, to consider what can be done to provide conditions of security, which, in time, will allow people to go home." The Sudanese government places most of the blame for the violence in Darfur on the Sudan Liberation Army and the Justice and Equality Movement. The rebel groups began fighting 16 months ago, saying the Arab-controlled government in Khartoum was ignoring the needs of the region's predominately black population.
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Start in Khartoum
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I suggest supplying the Christians and Animists with small arms,M-113 troop carrers(hell of alot of those floating around the inventory),M-60 tanks,AAA and Stingers.Let the SAS train them,cut them loose,stand back and enjoy the show.I do not imagine the Christians and Animiasts are in a very mercifull frame of mind.
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The international community will continue doing what it has always done -- cluck its disapproval while arming the genocidal maniacs and blaming the victims for their very existence.
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Britain's foreign aid chief says the international community may have to intervene militarily in Sudan's western Darfur region if the security situation does not improve.
Hey, great! EU, this is your second chance to get it right (the Balkans was the first, and was a total failure, but we'll forget that for now), where you can prove that you're worthy of being a "power". So c'mon, hop to it! Chop chop!!!
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I don't know if anyone here reads Soldier of Fortune, but there's an old article from 2002 about an American mercenary working (pro bono?) as a sniper/marksmanship trainer for the rebels in the south.
Also, there was another article on a "private military company" operating in Africa; this company could operate for two months (?) at the cost that a UN peacekeeping operation would take to operate for two DAYS ...
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"W", please don't do it!! Just don't do it...Not one American is worth the scum the Sudan has to offer. Just relax...take a deep breath and let the EU handle it. You can even share my popcorn!!
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SMN, I have a strong desire to protect Anamists and Christians against the Arab butchers - but maybe that is just my Zionist controlers speaking through me. It's hard to tell as I can never find the cords that must be controlling my actions. -- As the OIC has pointed out time an again, its all about Israel.
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From Geostrategy-Direct, subscription reqâd... Another factor to be thrown into the ME equation.
While Israelâs political leadership is speaking enthusiastically about Egyptâs willingness to cooperate in Israeli plans to withdraw from the Gaza Strip, Israeli military intelligence is more worried than ever about its western neighbor.
Israeli military intelligence believes the regime of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak is preparing to violate the 1979 Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty, which includes a demilitarization of most of the Sinai Peninsula.
Military intelligence has assessed that Mubarak has given his military the green light to deploy a significant amount of assets and troops over the Suez Canal and into the central and eastern part of the Sinai.
Israelâs military intelligence sees disturbing Egyptian military behavior in the Sinai Peninsula. Intelligence sources said the Egyptian military has been deploying so-called police forces in the demilitarized Zone A in Sinai.
These forces have been monitoring Israeli military activity and have been storing fuel for what could be the formation of Egyptian mobile combat units.
Military intelligence believes the Egyptian military wants to pin down a significant part of Israelâs army in case of any Arab-Israeli war, particularly with Syria. Sources said Egypt might have assessed that a bolstered military presence â even in violation of the peace treaty â would concern Israel enough to keep units and assets along its southwestern border rather than move against another hostile Arab country.
The Israeli military has been preparing for such a scenario. Israel has been forming special operations forces to quickly track and destroy Egyptian commando units. The Israel Air Force has been drafting plans to destroy Egyptian Air Force fighter-jets in case of a war with Egypt.
Nobody is predicting this will happen as long as Mubarak is alive. But afterwards â who knows?
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more signs that Hosni's not long for this world. Israel would annihilate the Egyptian forces
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Okay, this disturbs me. I sure hope Israel is dead set and ready to take Egypt out (AGAIN) if they violate the treaty and start moving forces east. How many times does Israel have to pay for the same ground?
Maybe Israel should let it be known that they are praticing "Dam Busting" (Aswan, anybody?)
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I find it utterly baffling. Sharon has been pushing so hard for this deal, and honestly, Sharon is no stranger to dealing with the egyptians (I believe it was Sharon himself who was positioned to cross the suez and take egypt back in 1973). Yes, he's older and um....slower these days, but he of all people couldn't have missed the possibility that Egypt may begin to feel a little agressive so close to the border and start licking it's chops. stange times, these...
In what appears to be a significant departure from the erstwhile Palestinian position, Palestinian Authority (PA) President Yasir Arafat has voiced his willingness to recognise Israel as a âJewish state.â The remarks were made in an interview with the Israeli newspaper Haâaretz on Friday. According to the paper, Arafat said he âdefinitelyâ understood that Israel ought to âpreserve her Jewish characterâ and that he personally recognised âIsraelâs Jewish identity.â Furthermore, the Palestinian leader told the paper that the PLO had dropped an Arab summit resolution, calling for a just solution of the Palestinian refugee problem based on UN General Assembly Resolution 194. The Israeli media featured Arafatâs statements prominently, viewing them as a âsignificant changeâ of position on the plight of the refugees, considered one of the most insurmountable issues of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
The PA had always refused to or refrained from recognising Israel as a Jewish state for two reasons:
First, the PA leadership thought that lending such a recognition would seriously militate against the interests and future of Israelâs 1.2 million strong Palestinian community, which makes up one-fifth of Israelâs population.
Second, the PA understood all along that recognising Israel as a Jewish state would, in the final analysis, imply that the Palestinians were giving up on the right of return for millions of Palestinian refugees who were expelled from their homes when Israel was created in 1948. That right is embodied in UN resolution 149 which stipulates repatriation and restitution for the refugees.
PA officials contacted by Aljazeera.net refused to comment on Arafatâs remarks, saying they did not think that Arafat meant what the Israeli newspaper quoted him as having said.
"We think he's off his meds. Luckily, nobody ever listens to him..."
One PA minister, who asked that his identity remain anonymous, pointed out that Arafat âdoesnât necessarily mean every word he says.â
"I mean, he's a congenital liar, isn't he? Y'said so yerselves!"
âThe president says a lot of things he doesnât mean. But in case he meant what he allegedly said, then it is a serious matter.â
"Maybe it is time he headed off for the nursing home..."
Another PA official said âwe donât take everything said or published by the Israeli press for granted.â Palestinian political leaders strongly denounced the idea of recognising Israel as a Jewish state. Ziad Abu Amr, professor of political science and former PA minister called Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish state âthe most stupid thing the Palestinians could do. The Palestinian people and the world at large are under no obligation to recognise the Jewish identity of Israel. Israel is a nation-state and has no extra rights and privileges.â Abu Amr argued that recognising Israel as a Jewish state would amount to agreeing, at least tacitly, that one-fifth of Israelâs population would have to accept an inferior status. âWho can tell the non-Jewish population of Israel that they must settle for an inherently inferior status vis-Ã -vis Jews and agree that they have lesser rights as citizens on no account other than being non-Jews.â
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Arafat said he âdefinitelyâ understood that Israel ought to âpreserve her Jewish characterâ and that he personally recognised âIsraelâs Jewish identity.â
Oh goody! Now some young buck in Hamas or the al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade can off Arafat for apostasy. Israel's rather impressive restraint in this insanely provocative case may end up working out to their advantage.
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wow - I can only hope this is a death-bed conversion
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I thought my surprise meter was broken but it just pegged.
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I love the smell of victory in the evening. This is too funny. (1) Palestinian officials spinning a big shift by the boss: "he lies, therefore don't take it seriously" (2) Palestinians (!!!!) try to throw water on the whole thing by implying Israeli media can't be taken as accurate -- you see Palestinians are real savvy about accurate, independent media (3) a Palestinian prof lectures the world on the finer points of equal citizenship in a democracy -- you see Palestinian academics are real savvy about such things, based on their own "national" history and accomplishments. It must be said that albeit unwittingly, Palestinians are about the funniest act going these days. With the Norks too crude and Baghdad Bob stripped of his pulpit, they've only got the Daily Show and the Onion for competition in the category of "political and current events satire."
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Don't listen to him. He is just baiting the hook so that he can resume relevance. Every word from his yap should be treated like a Syrian statement that they are now willing to engage in serious negotiations with Israel.
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Yasser Arafat "definitely" understands that Israel must preserve its character as a Jewish state, the Palestinian president told Tel Aviv-based Haaretz newspaper in an interview published on Friday. In the interview at his Ramallah office, Arafat noted that the PLO had adopted the Arab Summit resolution of April 2002.
That'd be Prince Abdullah's peace plan...
This resolution, based on a Saudi initiative, called for a just and agreed solution to the Palestinian refugee problem based on UN General Assembly Resolution 194. However, he declined to say how many refugees he would insist Israel absorb as a condition for any peace accord. Arafat emphasized that he had to solve the problem of some 200,000 refugees who live in poor conditions in Lebanon, and asked "why the Christians from Russia have the right to come and the Palestinian Christian has not the right to come?"
"And if the Paleostinian Christian does, what about some of the Paleostinian Moose limbs? And if some of the Paleostinian Muslims can come, why not all of them? Riddle me that, eh?"
Regarding borders, Arafat confirmed he would be willing to ink an agreement under which Israel would withdraw from 97 to 98 percent of the West Bank and give the Palestinians territory equivalent in size and quality to the 2 to 3 percent that would be annexed to Israel. Arafat pledged that once the Israeli forces withdraw from Gaza Strip, the PA would take control of the area and fight not only Hamas members, but also Fatah members who would violate the law.
I'm not gonna hold my breath on that one.
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Ok....so let me see if I have this straight. Arafart is willing to give the Jews 2-3% of that prime real estate he's sitting on. I didn't know that the Jews were experiencing a shortage of rocks and rubble.....
Maybe the reason Russian Christians are allowed to come in is that they are far less likely to explode upon arrival than some newly minted Palestinian Christian? Ya think?
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He just doesn't want a bunch of Caterpillars crawling around that ruin of a compound . . .
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Arafat understands Israels' need to preserve its character as a Jewish state,he just doesn't understand why Israel needs to exist.
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Re: the Russians, they're not subject to the law of return and all the other perks of being a Jew (Orthodox), are they?
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Edward -- My understanding is that if you can prove you are a Jew to their satisfaction, you are eligible for entry to Israel. It doesn't matter where you are from, that is why the Falashas from Ethiopia (I think that's where they were from), came to Israel.
Problem is, you have to satisfy the Orthodox requirements, and the other traditions like Conservative and Reform are a bit more permissive.
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There was a case of an "ethnic" Jew who had converted to Christianity and become a Catholic priest; he was denied entry, indicating that to Israel, "Jewishness" was based on religion, not parents.
Arafat: "I'm ready to make a deal! That Oslo plan could be OK with a maybe just a few tweaks, let's talk about that one! C'mon, let's make a deal! Doesn't anyone want to negotiate? Please? Hello?
Hellooooooo....???"
Seven Palestinians, including an 18-year-old woman, were arrested by Israeli troops in the northern West Bank on Friday, Palestinian security sources said. Ritab Aslan, a high school student, was arrested at her home in Nablus, the sources said. Israeli military sources confirmed the arrest saying she was âsuspected of involvement in terrorist activities.â Two other Palestinian teenage girls were nabbed in Nablus on Wednesday. The military sources said they had been recruited by militants groups to participate in future suicide attacks.
A pair of 15-year-olds, whatcha might call Baby Boomerettes...
The Palestinian sources said another six men belonging to an offshoot of Palestinian leader Yasser ArafatâsFatah party -- the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades -- were arrested in Jenin. The army could not immediately confirm those arrests.
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Al-Rashdan and Mjalli are expected to base their defence on the legality of the US-led coalitionâs occupation of Iraq, under which their right to hold and try Saddam also comes into question.
While I'm no Alan Dershowitz, I think this is an extremely lame defence, especially since a) I see no 'international law' that forbids armed conflict between two countries and b) it'll be Iraqis that will be running the trial.
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A) Okay.....so the invasion of Iraq was illegal....therefore we have to give the country back to Saddam?
Is it just me, or after reading that, does anyone else think, "You and what army, pal??"
Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei called on the United States yesterday to back an Egyptian offer to underpin security in the Gaza Strip following a promised Israeli withdrawal. Qorei, at a news conference here with Arab League chief Amr Moussa, said that âfor the Egyptian mission to succeed, it is necessary to get the unconditional support from the quartet, specifically from the United States.â The United States, along with Russia, the United Nations and the European Union, make up the diplomatic quartet that authored a Middle East peace roadmap last year envisaging the creation by 2005 of a Palestinian state. Qorei also said Israel must not commit âany violation while Egypt is conducting its operation of restructuring the Palestinian security services.â Egypt has offered to send 150 to 200 officers and security experts on a six-month mission to organize and train a 30,000-strong Palestinian security force. The premier was originally due to meet Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, but the talks were called off due to Mubarakâs health.
"He's dead, Jim!"
"No... He's only mostly dead! There's a difference!"
"Whe the hell are you?"
"I'm a doctor!"
"Liar!"
"Who the hell is she?"
"Ignore her. She's nobody... Quiet, witch!"
Instead, Qorei held talks with top Mubarak adviser Osama Al-Baz, who said Egypt âwould not go (to Gaza) to stop the Palestinians, but to help them maintain security and to train the different security forces.â El-Baz also warned Israel not think they could dismantle Jewish settlements in Gaza only to relocate the settlers to the West Bank. Such a move would only âfuel to the flamesâ, he said. He was convinced, he said, that Israelâs withdrawal from Gaza could initiate a process that could be continued within the framework of the road map for peace as it had been suggested by the Middle East Quartet. El-Baz said that representatives of the quartet comprising the United States, the United Nations, Russia and the European Union were due to meet in Cairo next week.
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Heh, amusing "The Star Princess Bride Trek" dialogue there, Fred.
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SPA: Fighters loyal to several local warlords stormed a remote provincial capital and forced the governor to flee, one of the group's leaders and a government official said Friday. At least 10 people were believed killed in the fighting. The violence broke out late Thursday in Chagcharan, a small town that is the capital of western Ghor province, 350 miles (220 kilometers) west of the capital Kabul. Din Mohammed Azimi, Ghor's deputy governor, said the governor had fled for either Herat or Kabul on Thursday afternoon.
"Curly-toed slippers, don't fail me now!"
Azimi, who said he was speaking from a village a few kilometers (miles) to the north of the city, said at least 10 of his men were killed and that more than 1,500 fighters were preparing a counterattack. Ghulam Yahya, a former Ghor police chief who is now one of the warlords opposed to the governor, said he knew of only one person killed, but it was not clear if he was referring to casualties on his side. The fighting follows weeks of tension between allies of the provincial military commander, Ahmad Murghabi, and rival tribes over who gets the boodle positions in the local administration. Azimi said a group of rival factions led by Rais Salam launched the attack after rejecting an offer of control of four government departments, including police and intelligence.
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SPA: Egypt's President Mohammed Hosni Mubarak met here today with Palestine's Premier Ahmed Qurie. During the meeting, they discussed the latest developments in the Palestinian territories and the Egyptian initiative aiming at ensuring the implementation of Israeli withdrawal from Gaza within the framework of the ''Road Map''.
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Snake Plisskin Hosni Mubarak? I thought you were dead.
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Road Map???? Road Map????
The road washed out months and months ago. The train The bus don't go there no more...
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Event: Third Hamas Leader dead
Group: Israeli forces
Narrative: Mahmoud Zahar, probably the current leader of Hamas, also gets killed by Israeli forces. Soon.
Window: 0 Months (6/19/2004)
Probability 85% entered by Aris Katsaris on 4/20/2004
Probability 89% entered by Steve from Relto on 4/21/2004
Probability 100% entered by tu3031 on 4/25/2004
Probability 100% entered by Atomic Conspiracy on 6/9/2004
Overall opinion is Highly Probable (94%)
Current opinion is Highly Probable (96%)
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95%
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oops..duh!
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double - triple duh!! I should not drink wine at lunch!! I accidently hit 0%, so I entered 100% to negate it... AND changed my mind, lowering odds to 90%.
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wow! Someone fixed that already!! You guys are GOOD!!
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The reason this prediction didn't hit is that Hamas is pretty heavily damaged -- their leadership gets whacked in response to big-time attacks and either they haven't been capable of staging one or Zahar isn't letting them, in the interest of waking tomorrow morning able to take a deep breath. See today's linked Krauthammer article.
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ha, ha...I guess I had more to drink than I realized!!
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Hamasniks dont boom Israelis, Israelis dont need to assasinate Hamasniks (although failure to disarm them will still be held against PA) Ariel Sharon, reasonable pragmatist.
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This reminds me, did anyone ever set up that "world events" game? You know, you pick a possible event and if it happens around when you say, you win, ahem, a wager?
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Bottom Line City: What has happened, however, is an end to systematic, regular, debilitating, unstoppable terror -- terror as a reliable weapon. At the height of the intifada, there were nine suicide attacks in Israel killing 85 Israelis in just one month (March 2002). In the past three months there have been none.
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repeatedly warned the US that Saddam was planning attacks on the US. Jeebus! How big a hack commission would they have to constitute if we ignored these warnings and still got attacked? Ted Kennedy would accuse Bushitler of lying, wouldn't he?
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immediate reaction from left - Putin says Iraq didnt participate in actual attacks, so its all hot air. Havent seem them saying Bush bribed Putin to get this, but i expect that soon.
I agree though - this is HUGE. Cant wait to see details - if intel security allows for that.
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So let's see, the Russians knew about this but opposed the war anyway. Two things: a) the Russian relationship with Saddam's Iraq must have been extremely lucrative (same with France & Germany) or, b) Putin & Bush are closer friends than we all realize.
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Beeb still ignporing this. Theyre probably trying to figure out how to spin it. The more I think about it, the huger this seems. How can anyone fault Bush for going to war after this? Who cares about WMD now? Expect this to be THE big story for quite some time. The left can attack Putin and the evidence, but its too big to simply ignore. This aint Steven Hayes, or Laura Myljoie, or some blogger, or even Dick Cheney. This is Vlad goddamned Putin.
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oh, putin will say that he opposed the war anyway cause he thought allowing post-saddam chaos was a bigger risk than any attacks the Iraqis could pull off. Thats an easy one. It doesnt change that this means Bush had a solid Casus Belli, and a justification that flies well at home.
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This could be huge, if mass media were remotely serious, competent, or intelligent. Who knows, it may barge into the discussion somehow, we'll see.
But while it's important and will be available to buttress the case for pre-emption, it certainly doesn't burnish Russia's rep very much. To have info that a rogue state planned terror attacks on the US, and STILL oppose vigorous action against that state? Sure there's nuance and detail that could be explored -- best way of dealing with threat, war vs. other means, blah blah blah -- but quite reasonably, to the average intelligent person, it looks pretty outrageous of Russia to know what it did and still act as it did.
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AP and Reuters have it, CNN is featuring it prominently. NYT and the leftist press in UK and Europe will try to bury it, but the "swing" press - WaPo, CNN, etc will run with it.
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This story will be gone in two days, and the press will be back to 24/7 Abu Ghraib.
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Beware the Abu Ghraib and Laci Peterson media onslaught. And pull the Michael Jackson corpse back up for another freak show. As if the American public couldn't already change the channel fast enough!
Media's digging their own graves as everyone buys their favorite shows on CD and turns to alternative sources for "news".
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Ha! Told ya! When it comes to survival, the Russian's in charge aren't self-destructive like the useful idiots they use and discard.
Just like WWII, it's in Russia's own self-interest to stop nihilistic Islam in its tracks. Dem's parade of fools scares everyone who isn't stuck in 60's adolescent denial.
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Laci Peterson case - Why isn't this just another one of a zillion murder cases? What is so special about it? Even as a who-dun-it it sucks!
Why not focus on a case like the recent one in Columbia Mo. ...
Gay student activist found dead in locked apt. with a sliced throat. No body movement. No signs of struggle. No prints. No signs of sex. Boy friend a cop who arrested him a few months before. Cop appears to be clean. Oh -- the sliced throat appeared to be professionaly done... not the sloppy stuff like the terrorist do.
Isn't that a better who-dun-it than Lacy?
So .... Why Lacy? What does it tie into? What's the angle? Death of a fetus for Ashcroft or what?
She somebody special relative or girlfriend?
She know somebody she shouldn't have?
Stumble on to something?
I don't get it.
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B-I hope you're right with all my heart. I just have a feeling Putin's announcement is going to take a few twists and turns. Beyond self-interest, his motivation for spilling is unknown, wouldn't ya say Rantburgians?
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3dc - bread and circuses, Gotta fill the Colliseum airtime with something other than UNSCAM and Sudan.
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3Dc,
What is to figure out? Pretty white girl, pregnant, husband who looks like he could be any suburban neighbor, Blonde girlfriend who can be portrayed as either a skank or a vulnerable single mom, bodies washing up on shore in a media state with 10% of the population... and you can't figure out WHY the media is pushing this one out to the front? It turns on TV's.
And back on topic, I think Putin and GW have a good private relationship with synergy possible when the politics don't get in the way.
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Capsu79 - are you saying you actually tune in for that - or are you just speaking for "the masses" benath you?
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mhw, my guess is that they were not at liberty to discuss intelligence provided confidentially by a foreign government without its permission. I concur with everyone that this is monumentally huge. Consider this: you are president, your country has been subject to a devestating terrorist attack. The president of another country with extremely sophisticated intelligence informs you that an enemy with whom you are still engaging in low level hostilities plans to conduct terrorist attacks against your country. What do you do? I'm hoping the blogosphere helps create the pressure and shame that will force this story to the surface.
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Not huge. Just Puty showing how skerry he fears things could get. I don't like furriners in our politics whether they're helping my guy or the other.
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Nothing on New York Times yet... but there is an article on a beating death at Afghan detention facility. Hey did you guys know about that?
#24
By the way, 2 points to consider. Is there a meeting between Bush and Putin soon? Something like this could be a trump card for Putin or a "please consider russian companies for reconstruction contracts" move.
Second, predict Putin to back off on the statement and the press splashes it on Page 1.
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Capsu - couldn't imagine you being interested. Ahhh..tivo...maybe I should look into that.
Sludj...interesting point.
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latest spin
Putin is lying cause
A. Hes sucking up to Bush cause Bush says nothing bad about Russian misdeeds in Chechnya. (nothing about Georgia, NATO expansion, etc)
B. Hes been bought
Or
Putin gave us bad info pre-war:
To suck us into the Iraq quagmire (variant on the already popular Iran tricked us into Iraq meme)
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LiberalHawk : I vote A. - - - -
Silence on the Qadas in Chechnya is golden.
I hear about stuff in Chechnya from my Russian wife. She still talks to friends in Moscow who have relatives in the Army. Sounds a lot like the current incidents we are facing in Iraq.
Also, most "misdeeds" reported by the media are not "misdeeds".
#29
#4 Beeb still ignoring this.Liberalhawk, Beeb's got it now.
He [Putin] added: "It is one thing to have information that (Saddam) Hussein's regime was preparing acts of terrorism - we did have this information and we handed it over.
"But we did not have information that they were involved in any terrorist acts whatsoever and, after all, these are two different things."
What in hell kind of hair-splitting is that? "Not involved" but "preparing acts of terorism." Who gives a flying f%&k if Iraq wasn't involved in 9-11. If they were planning more of the same, then into the crosshairs they go!
This sort of mincing is rather unusual for the Russians. Quite obviously, their relationship with Iraq was so lucrative they just couldn't back away from Saddam's teat. It calls into question why we should feel very sympathetic about Russia's current difficulties in Chechnya.
You can't have it both ways, Putin. Either you fight it or you profit from it, but not both.
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Liberhawk> Predictably enough I'll be going with the latter option ("gave you info in order to suck you into the war") as the one I consider most probable.
Putin gave the US such info (whether it was good info or bad info, that's a sidepoint really) in order to have US attack Iraq and in the process hurt itself.
And then it opposed the war on Iraq, because opposition to the war would be good for Russia -- not to mention that the more countries opposed the war the more US would be hurt on the diplomatic/political level, loss of soft power and etc.
Because if Russia *didn't* want USA to attack Iraq, why did it give such info to a president that was already itching for a reason to invade it?
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aris - er cause if Iraq HAD attacked the US, and it later came out that theyd sat on such info, the shit would have REALLY hit the fan in US-Russian relations. This of course assumes it was good info - or at least the Russians thought it was.
In any case, the material harm to the US is negligible in the scheme of things - the big harm, as everyone has been saying here for months - is to our soft power, to our relationships, to our hearts and minds campaign. But if Putin has just given evidence that our war WAS IN FACT a war of SELF-DEFENSE, he has just set the stage for reversing a very large part of that damage.
#32
After we got hold of 1/2 mile or so of Iraq intel and other documents, from both within Iraq and outside Iraq in embassies/consulates etc., and likely thence got the goods on a lot of international bastards, it is no surprize that international opposition has piped down. (Remember Jim Baker's trip?) And beyond that we've seen almost muted and/or tacit approval abroad when compared to the sounds from abroad of 12-16 months ago. Or is it just me?
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Aris wrote: "Putin gave the US such info (whether it was good info or bad info, that's a sidepoint really) in order to have US attack Iraq and in the process hurt itself.
"And then it opposed the war on Iraq, because opposition to the war would be good for Russia -- not to mention that the more countries opposed the war the more US would be hurt on the diplomatic/political level, loss of soft power and etc."
If that's the case, what good does it do Putin now to release the information? Does it swing him back onto the US side (that's probably a good thing)?
I would bet that it has more to do with wanting to cooperate with the US in Central Asia (Chechnya especially) and against China (which is probably in bed with Iran and the Norks over nuke proliferation).
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Liberalhawk> That's possible I guess, but frankly I think it would have done lots more good had he offered such info last year. With the exception of us politics fanatics I think that hardly anyone cares anymore about the moral justifications of the war on Iraq.
They cared back when it was starting, not now. I think all the damage has been done.
#36
Putin must be wishing for a Bush victory in November. But why? What's in it for him? Russia has in fact about $1 bil in contracts in Iraq right now, with things probably poised to pick up even further. If Kerry wins, and pulls out of Iraq, and if the crap there really hits the fan, then Russia stands to lose. Remember, Putin doesn't care how many US soldiers die on a daily basis (or how many Russians for that matter), as long as there's relative calm. Same scenario in Chechnya. My guess is, someone has lobbied Putin in Moscow to support Bush.
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06/18/2004 14:16 Comments ||
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anyone else remember the old joke about the most shocking possible newspaper headline? "Franz Ferdinand found alive, World War fought by mistake". This could be the opposite.
"UPDATE: An irony just occurred to me. If I am correct (yes, big if) and Putin is beginning to reward Bush for his "discretion" regarding Oil-for-Food, etc., the mainstream media, by soft-pedaling the same villainy, have been the administration's completely inadvertent allies. Oh, how the head spins in the game of realpolitik!"
Interesting speculation.
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06/18/2004 14:41 Comments ||
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Rafael: My guess is that Putin isn't stupid :-)
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06/18/2004 14:42 Comments ||
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Everet, that's an interesting idea, and I'd enjoy the irony if it were true, but I just don't see it.
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06/18/2004 14:46 Comments ||
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Baker's briefcase is a Pandora's Box for the other side. A public opening would be horrible. Maybe Putin got a private peek at the contents recently.
#42
Putin opposed the war because of Money-for-Saddam payola and because Chirac grabbed him by the short hairs, no I mean the below the waist variety. The Ruskies made the top of the Saddam Honor Roll.
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Evert is on the right track, but it is not about Oil-for-Food. Nobody really gives a shit about that. Think WMD and those who really opposed us going into Iraq actually helping Saddam spirit them out of the country before the war began. Keeping that quiet is called incentive.
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06/18/2004 17:33 Comments ||
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Could also be a generic threat of withholding aid and support to Russia.
But I do find a lot of the Bush Administration's lack of PR on WMD, UNSCAM, etc. disturbing. This idea from Roger Simon does seem to fit as to WHY the Administration has downplayed the news on wmd, unscam, weapons supply, and possible Russian aide to Iraq in the 90's.
#45
The administration can get a lot more long term effective yield from information we tell the other side we know but keep secret than if we release it to the media. Much better control with no spin potential.
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06/18/2004 18:43 Comments ||
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#45 The administration can get a lot more long term effective yield from information we tell the other side we know but keep secret than if we release it to the media. Much better control with no spin potential.
So what? A4021's point remains salient as ever. Playing any sort of "spin potential" game merely taints all of your own supportive evidence with the stain of propagandism. Why bother when the truth supports your own position so well?
#44 But I do find a lot of the Bush Administration's lack of PR on WMD, UNSCAM, etc. disturbing.
I agree. Why isn't the truth being milked like the last cow on the farm. Where's the harm?
excerpted from State department Daily Press Briefing
QUESTION: Israel today invited bids for the project for digging a moat along the border with Egypt and Gaza. Do you have any comment on that?
MR. BOUCHER: I donât know about it. I donât have any comment at this point.
QUESTION: Thank you.
I would like to see Halliburton accomplish the task with Cattipillar equipment. I hope the moat will be designated as a protected biosphere once it is completed. Dump some endangered frogs in there just to spice up the controversy.
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I just wish the Army Corps of Engineers could be involved.... this is right up their ballywick.
"50 yards wide? 10 feet deep? Think of the future Abner!"
"Hokay, 200 yards wide 80 feet deep and a pier for the Shitty Kitty"
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Ummm SH? "Forbidden: You don't have permission to access /archives/02/026311.jpg on this server."
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actually the Israelis have said that they wont fill it with water, for environmental reasons (I presume to avoid a place for Mosquitos to breed) As a liberal, I applaud the Israeli govts concern for the environment ;)
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Intersting idea. Assuming 100 feet wide wide, 20 feet deep and 4 miles long gives us less than 1 million cubic yards. Typical excavation costs probably range from $5 to $20 per cubic yard depending on various factors so the trench itself isn't that expensive.
Some concerns:
1. where will waste be dumped
2. will the bottom and sides be paved; if so, the cost rises very quickly
3. mosquitos might not be a problem; the water is salty and fish could eat the mosquito eggs.
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Craig,
The kind of mosquitos we have in the US all like fresh water but some are tolerant of brackish water. There may be salt water tolerant species elsewhere in the world.
Buwaya,
Yes, without paving or other barrier salt water intrusion will accelerate. However, the fresh water acquifer under Gaza is almost used up now. I've heard estimates that it won't last another 5 years (which is good reason by itself for the Israelis to uproute the settlements there).
#11
You could put some alligators in the moat. Anyone trying to go near to the moat could be a food supply for the 'gators.
"One of the resons Cape Caneveral was selected for space launches was the 'natural security guards' that surround the place in the swamps." (Tourguide 1993)
#12
I remember reading somewhere that the Israelis wanted to reintroduce the nile crocodile to the Jordan river. Just another species that could be restored to its former range. alligators are pussy cats compared to niles. Of course if you want mean go with salties.
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Found out two more points, nile crocs were found in Israel untill the early 19th century, they also don't mind brackish water. The original crocs most likel swam there from da'nile. So maybe the Gaza strip croc farm time has come!
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RIGHT ON CHAD!!
Soldiers killed 69 Sudanese Arab militiamen who had crossed the border from neighboring Sudan to raid a Chadian village near the border, the communications minister said on Friday.
"Janjaweed? What's the fuss? They ain't so tough if you're armed, too..."
I keep saying this. Arm the Furians. Teach them how to handle RPGs, rifles and mortars, and tell them to defend their villages. They will.
The attack in Birak, 6 kilometers (4 miles) from the border, on Thursday is likely to strain relations between Sudan and Chad, which has been leading efforts to end a 16-month rebellion in the Darfur region of neighboring western Sudan.
Now they're leading efforts to keep the Sudanese camel lice out of their country...
During the clash the army also captured two of the militia, known as janjaweed and who are fighting in the war in Darfur, said Mouckhtar Wawa Dahab. Dahab said he had no details of Chadian casualties or any more information on the attack.
"I dunno. They just showed up, so we shot them all. We weren't takin' notes..."
"I need say no more!"
On May 9 hundreds of Sudanese Arab militiamen raided a village inside Chad, sparking fighting between the gunmen and the Chadian army that killed dozens of civilians, 60 of the militia and one Chadian army officer.
The Chadians sound like they're pretty good shots. Either that, or the janjaweed had been smoking too much... ummm... janjaweed.
More than 110,000 Sudanese have fled to eastern Chad, but the Arab militia has been conducting cross-border raids for months, stealing livestock and terrorizing Sudanese refugees and Chadian civilians.
Unless they run into the Chadian army. Who trained the Chadian army? Bhutan?
Two Darfur rebel groups - the Sudan Liberation Army and the Justice and Equality Movement, drawn from black African tribes which have traditionally inhabited the area - took up arms in February 2003, saying they were fighting for a greater share of Sudanâs wealth and power for their impoverished region. Chadian President Idriss Deby has been leading mediation efforts to end the conflict and on April 8, the warring parties signed a cease-fire agreement to allow humanitarian agencies into the area at talks in Nâdjamena, the Chadian capital.
That worked well, didn't it?
Both the rebels and the government promised to observe a cease-fire to let humanitarian aid reach the region but raids by the Sudanese Arab militia have continued.
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I think we are missing a great opportunity here.
Arm the Darfur men with rudimentary weapons. Give them some training. Let them have some Chadian allies.
Result: Lots of dead Arab terrorists. A weaker Sudan National terrorist govt. A stronger position for the southern non-Moslem forces.
#2
Chad defeated a Libyan invasion in the late 1980s. The Chadian Army mounted machine guns and missles on Range Rovers and drove circles around the Libyans.
I really need to do the same thing to survive the Washington Beltway.
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06/18/2004 9:31 Comments ||
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The Army of Chad was assisted in the 1980's by the French Foreign Legion. It currently is under the tutelage of United States Special Forces and the United States Marine Corps. Nuff said.
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MHW/Chuck/Eric/Steve. I fully agree and the 'nuff said' news is great to hear!
The people of Chad and those poor people in the Sudan being slaughtered by the barbaric jihadees should demand action by the U.N. but if they refuse to act allied Coalition forces should lend all the support they can muster to the good guys.
After this latest brutal murder of another innocent American civilian by Saudi Wahhabi Islamic killers, Washington must continue assisting Chad's armed forces with whatever they require to totally defeat the forces of evil.
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These nuggets are culled from the Urdu press. They are summarised here without comment. Absurd or ridiculous, TFT takes no responsibility for them
Zia was right, Musharraf is right!
Speaking to Insaf, religion minister Ijazul Haq said that in 1979 General Zia was right in doing what he did and in 1999 General Musharraf was right in what he was doing. One imposed religion in Pakistan, the other removed its extremist edge and abandoned the Taliban. He said Taliban were good people who did not kill anyone. In fact they had created conditions of peace in Afghanistan and were not involved in any kind of terrorism. Their only fault was their refusal to hand over Osama bin Laden to America.
Moaning over Indian elections
Writing in Jang, Irshad Haqqani stated that Pakistanis too are capable of voting fairly in elections and they showed this capability in 1970 when they simply uprooted the entrenched feudal interests in West Pakistan by voting for the middle class leaders. He said that the people of Pakistan were ready to repeat the voting of 1970 and 1977 if only the elites of Pakistan were to allow them unrigged elections.
Sindh ignores court on âkaro-kariâ
According to Khabrain, after Sindh High Court banned karo-kari (honour-killing) in the province the cases of karo-kari actually increased. In the month of April 2004, in all, 18 women and 12 men were done to death for karo-kari. In the year 2003, Sindh killed 1261 people and out of that number 838 were women. Parliament in the past had refused to legislate against honour killing because of proud custom.
Politician does hat-trick of stealing electricity
According to Khabrain, ex-MNA Haji Muhammad Boota of Multan was caught for the third time stealing electricity from WAPDA. This time too he had resorted to the same trick, connecting his house with the pole directly through wires and running a number of air-conditioners without being billed. Haji Boota is a veteran politician who knows that politics is meant for this kind of activity.
Pakistani policemen do terrorism
According to Jang, the suicide-bombers who blew up the Ashura procession in Quetta this year, killing scores of Shias were from Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Abdu Nabi and Hidayatullah. Both had trained in Afghanistan in the Al Qaeda-Taliban camps. They plotted the terrorist act in Karachi in Nasirabad in the house of police constable Ghulam Haider. The police got the first clue when they discovered a CD depicting the two suicide bombers in martyrsâ outfit. Daily Nawa-e-Waqt wrote that the CD was sent to the police by an unknown source in which the two terrorists confessed that in July 2003 they had killed over 50 Shias at an Imambargah in Quetta. Their suicide bombing killed 47 people during ashura in March 2004 in Quetta. The Shia community of Karachi accused the police and antiterrorist force (ATF) too of firing on the Shias. The latest act of terrorism which killed a number of Shias in Karachiâs Haideri mosque was carried out by a police constable who was a member of Jaish-e-Muhammad and wanted to become a martyr by killing the infidels. In the murder of the American journalist Daniel Pearl too the involvement of a policeman had come to light.
Why he killed four children
According to daily Pakistan, the serial murderer of four children in Muridke near Lahore, Hafiz Arshad, (who knows the Quran by heart) said that he trapped and killed innocent children because his chilla (trance) was not completed and the witches and female jinns tortured him for human sacrifice. Because of his unfinished chilla Hafiz Arshad was in great pain till his spiritual leader told him that he could get out of it by making sacrifices with childrenâs blood and organs. Malang Imdad Hussain said that the fourth child was killed by him to get his disciple freed from police custody. A murder after his discipleâs arrest would mean that he was not involved.
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"Why he killed four children"
Words momentarily fail me...
Definitely somewhere between +7th Century and -7th Century. Right in there, somewhere. I'm pretty sure of it. Yep.
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No dhinga-mushti this week, but the murder of 3 kids to rid oneself of djinns and then a fourth child to spring your "disciple" from jug almost makes up for it.
#3
"...Hafiz Arshad, (who knows the Quran by heart) said that he trapped and killed innocent children because his chilla (trance) was not completed and the witches and female jinns tortured him for human sacrifice..."
Hey - do NOT bother me when I'm chilla...
Mike
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I'm speechless too, .com.
Apparently, knowing the Quran by heart doesn't deliver one from Witches and female Jinns. Christians have been promised this kind of protection since the first century, although it was forgotten by the time the witch trials in England and America had started.
Pakistani forces killed a renegade tribal leader allied with suspected al-Qaida militants in an overnight mortar assault on a mud-brick fortress near the Afghan border, the army spokesman said Friday. Nek Mohammed, a former Taliban fighter who led fierce resistance to the armyâs effort to flush out foreign fighters from the region, died late Thursday at the home of another tribal chief. "We were tracking him down and he was killed last night by our hand," Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan told The Associated Press in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital.
Mohammedâs men are responsible for several deadly ambushes against the army and led a group of heavily armed holdouts during a March standoff that killed more than 120 people. He later agreed to cooperate with authorities but reneged on promises to turn over foreign fighters, prompting the latest round of hostilities. Mohammed was apparently staying in the home of another tribal leader, Sher Zaman, when the army attacked with mortar fire late Thursday. Residents said that in addition to Mohammed, two of Zamanâs grown-up sons were killed in the attack in Pir Bagh, near Wana, the main town in South Waziristan.
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As someone astutely observed the other day re: events in Saudi; I fully anticipate the corpse to make a stealthy getaway through the cordon of Pakistani troops. If true much ululation and Pakistan/ Musharaf deserve recognition as an influential ally. Looks like the recently bereaved Sher Zaman will make an adequate replacement...
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Hasn't this guy been dead several times already? Wouldn't a wooden stake through the heart be advisable sooner or later?
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Shaukat: "Again, what shall we talk about...?"
Nek: "I toll ya, Osama not here!"
Shaukat: "Where is he...I smell his can of beans?"
>click<
Nek: "Praise be Allah...you imperial infidel swine!!
>BANG<
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AP No one was ready to believe that a valiant man like Nek Mohammad was dead until they saw his body with their own eyes," one Wana resident said.
The body of the black-bearded 27-year-old, his head no longer swathed in his trademark turban, lay on a low cot wrapped in a white sheet, his face showing scars and bruises.
Mohammad Noor, a local tribesman who saw Mohammad die in hospital, said the former fighter for the Taliban had lost a leg in the overnight clashes and one arm was badly wounded.
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Enjoy Hell.
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So how is equipment in the Wana morgue? Does Nek-o get the stainless steel refrigerator treatment like the Paleo boomers, or is it the wooden crate on sawhorses on a dirt floor thing?
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Hey, Fred - that wouldn't happen to be you in the Fat Lady getup, would it?
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is that valkyrie singing "the ballad of nek mohammid" in the photo on the upper right--and "allahu ackba" were the last words to pass from his lip--the other lip having been fragged off in a fit of paki peak--methinks the calvary is going to beat the indians in the formerly lawless but now subdued nwfp's--allahu nakba
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06/18/2004 13:47 Comments ||
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Still dead.
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He's not only merely dead
He's really,
most sincerely dead.
Ya know, ever since swords and battering rams went out of style those mud-brick fortresses just don't get the good prices any more.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats ||
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stupid american assholes . Dont u have respect for anything otherthan junk food. Amnesiac assholes go learn about your own history before u insult others
#27
What's wrong, anonymous coward, loose the star player in your Fantasy Jihadi League?
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06/19/2004 16:22 Comments ||
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You know it's amazing about the pathological racism against all things non-american that exists in some u americans . It's one thing to express yourself about something, it's another to insult an entire culture and religion. What do u expect from a people who genocided the natives of the country u live in(10 million or so) and went on to enslave and slaughter another 8 million or so africans more than half of which were muslim. Now your declaring war on everything that YOU choose to call terrorist in order to steal these countries' resources and selling out your constitution in the process. Cure sum'yer ignorance Coward!! Go here www.whatreallyhappened.com
#29
Sammy:
They insult our culture and religion all the time. They plan our destruction. As for "terrorist," the definition is very simple: anyone who attacks civilians almost exclusively to get a political message across. And the last time I checked, there were still a lot of American Indians around. Read some history books and take a course on logic - after checking your perscription meds.
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Oh yeah sure there's some natives left, forget the whole genocide thing.You are right, though they DO plot your destruction. DID YOU EVER WONDER WHY?!! Aren't you the least bit curious to know the truth. To look at this subject objectively!!! Ask yourself: Who benefited from sep. 11th? Find the answer to that and you'll know the root of ALL the JUSTIFIED rage of Arabs and Muslims against your governement.
Iraq's incoming government is considering imposing martial law to help stabilise the country after another two car bomb attacks on Thursday killed at least 41 Iraqis. The blasts were the latest in a spate of increasingly well-organised attacks, including suicide attacks against foreign civilians working for the US-led coalition, an assassination of a senior Iraqi official, and the sabotage of military and industrial targets. Co-ordinated strikes on Iraq's oil pipelines in the north and south of the country have reduced exports to a trickle and depleted the country's prime source of revenue.
The escalating violence has forced the new interim government of Ayad Allawi to consider assuming broader security powers in the aftermath of the June 30 transition. "A decision to impose martial law could be taken if the attacks continue," said Hazem Shaalan, the defence minister.
Wonder how the LLL will react to that?
Muwaffaq Rubaie, national security adviser, confirmed to the Financial Times on Thursday that the idea of declaring a form of martial law was under active consideration by Iraqi ministers.
The debate highlights the dilemma for the new Iraqi government, which is trying to establish order without jeopardising its democratic credentials. Such laws carry uncomfortable echoes of the legal fabrications used by the former regime of Saddam Hussein and many current Arab governments to justify repressive and totalitarian rule.
The idea was at an early stage, Mr Rubaie said, and had not been discussed substantively with US officers. At least 130,000 American soldiers will remain in the country after an Iraqi government takes over. Mr Rubaie said a new law would need to be passed because the temporary constitution agreed in March as the basis of the new Iraqi state did not include provisions for emergency rule. "It [the new law] should not have sweeping powers. It should be limited in time and space," he said. "[But] the terrorists are shooting people on sight. You need to be a little bit more proactive, a little bit more robust."
You need to defend yourselves.
In an effort to win public confidence, Iraqi officials such as Mr Shaalan and Mr Rubaie have sounded increasingly belligerent in their condemnations of the spate of car-bombings and assassinations. "In the coming days we will take the battle from house to house and from street to street with all the means we possess," Mr Shaalan said on Thursday. Kofi Annan, United Nations secretary general, said that Iraq was still too dangerous for the UN to return, telling reporters in New York he was "extremely worried" about the security situation on the ground.
Especially with the security team the UN had last time.
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Actually, I'm against the imposition of martial law -- BAD precedent. Besides, don't the US and New Iraq just have to "up-arm", not do this ...
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Potato bazooka plans.Approved for martial law.
http://users.frii.com/bsimon/hspray.htm
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Wow! Rich, that looks like a hoot & a half! I dunno what the "oops" is for - the link worked fine. Heh, this gives me 4th July ideas about taping some Black Cat firecrackers together and making a longer fuse and... well, you get the idea. I can just see it: clan warfare in the picnic area, tables turned over for shielding, etc. lol!
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When we get bored bass fishing we pair off boats,and have a war.Be sure to use a bar b que igniter(push button spark type).Put in top of chamber,and use your thumb.Mist hairspray from 6 inches and screw cap on.Then shoot the turkey.There is recoil.Sounds like a knee mortar.
Be careful.These things really reach out there !!
(Thought I goofed the link)
#6
No joke - friend of mine had his mounted on a tripod on the back deck. We'd launch lemons at the sheep doin' time in the vineyard while BBQ'n. And of course, there was the time I watched him catch his arm on fire while in the line of duty. Ahhhh, good times.
Posted by: Rex Mundi ||
06/18/2004 2:31 Comments ||
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Being an arty crew chief is a risky assignment, but somebody's gotta do it, heh. Line of duty, you say? Didja give 'im one of these? I understand you don't even need to leave your post...
#8
I don't know if anyone here can still get their hands on some calcium carbide, but there's a neat trick you can do with a similar assembly and a juice jar (I can't remember which size fits). Good for at least a 100 yards. Some vaseline or KY required.
#9
Dammit! Courtesy demands a red wine alert for nastiness such as that. Now look at this mess....that was awful! Risky indeed, I pretty much just laughed and poured myself another one. I'll give him his due though, he fired over an open sight - never used a spotting round.
Posted by: Rex Mundi ||
06/18/2004 3:01 Comments ||
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I just keep seeing this HUGE banner that sez "Mission Accomplished"
Posted by: Not Mike Moore ||
06/18/2004 3:06 Comments ||
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#11
A certain odor of troll spore.
Posted by: Rex Mundi ||
06/18/2004 3:12 Comments ||
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#12
Ram in a cardboard container from McDonalds from an order of large fries. Leave the fries in the container. The cardboard serves as a sabot and voila - a shotgun!
Civil War canister. BTW Rex Mundi, I think it is spoor, but if it is about fungi it is spore.
Posted by: Alaska Paul ||
06/18/2004 3:58 Comments ||
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Kofi Annan, United Nations secretary general, said that Iraq was still too dangerous for the UN to return, telling reporters in New York he was "extremely worried" about the security situation on the ground.
He is a useless pussy in charge of a pack of thieves.
#15
AP: you are indeed correct. Couldn't see what I was typing following my vino rosso spit-take ha ha!
Posted by: Rex Mundi ||
06/18/2004 10:35 Comments ||
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BTW Rex Mundi, as kids we had loads of fun with calcium carbide (Shawnigan Carbide in a can). Aside from fun with miner's lamps, we declared jihad on gophers and used carbide and water to generate gas at the hole entrances. Then we lit off the acetylene gas and did our early sixties version of the thermobaric bomb. Industrious little sappers we were. ***sigh*** those were the days.
Posted by: Alaska Paul ||
06/18/2004 11:57 Comments ||
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Jeebus AP! Actually sounds like a hoot and effective too. All I could do was issue a fatwa and send out m' dog. I'm gonna write this one down.
Posted by: Rex Mundi ||
06/18/2004 12:16 Comments ||
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#18
I have fond memories of fleeing some good ol'boys after an incident involving a tennis ball cannon and the side of a pickup truck. Thank goodness for darkness, thick brush and a well-planned escape route... *g*
So far it sounds like Alaska Paul had the most pyromaniacal display. How many fingers you got? ;)
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats ||
06/18/2004 13:15 Comments ||
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we made the tennis ball cannons as kids, and lit em off with lighter fluid...if the balls had a lotta fuzz left, then at night, you'd soak them too so you'd get a flaming ball shot...
Posted by: Frank G ||
06/18/2004 14:20 Comments ||
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wimps, i went to eddie teller summer camp back in 62 i still have my craft project.
Japan's Cabinet on Friday approved a plan for Japanese troops now in Iraq on a humanitarian mission to remain as part of a multinational force after an interim government takes control. The Cabinet's decision would let more than 500 Japanese soldiers continue their reconstruction work in southern Iraq, where they have been purifying water, rebuilding schools and providing other humanitarian support, Kyodo News agency said. It would also mean that hundreds of other military personnel shipping supplies into Iraq from neighboring countries would remain, the report said. Japan's Jiji News carried a similar report. Earlier this month, the U.N. Security Council adopted a resolution allowing a multinational force to remain in Iraq until 2006 to provide security after the transfer of power to an interim Iraqi government on June 30 this year.
Posted by: Steve White ||
06/18/2004 12:09:57 AM ||
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Good reporting!
Posted by: Mark Espinola ||
06/18/2004 1:24 Comments ||
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It's amazing how the car bombs and suicide bombers have 'avoided' the Japanese contingent!! All 500 must be in someone's backyard growing crops!! That just puts 500 more Iraqi men in the streets with nothing more to do but show their fists.
#3
SMN, watch Japan carefully. They seem to be demonstrating more and more disgust for pascifism with each statement that their punk kid, ex-hostage makes.
Posted by: Super Hose ||
06/18/2004 4:23 Comments ||
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A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
The leader of al-Qaida in Saudi Arabia was killed Friday, Arab satellite stations Al-Arabiya and Al-Jazeera reported. The news was given in a scrolling news bar at the bottom of the screens. 
Mohammedâs men are responsible for several deadly ambushes against the army and led a group of heavily armed holdouts during a March standoff that killed more than 120 people. He later agreed to cooperate with authorities but reneged on promises to turn over foreign fighters, prompting the latest round of hostilities. Mohammed was apparently staying in the home of another tribal leader, 
