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Arabia
Yemen Tightens Grip on Mosques
The Yemeni government is to take control over some of the country’s mosques in an effort to deny extremists a preaching platform, a government official said yesterday. The Ministry of Endowment and Guidance plans to prevent preachers who belong to Islamic political parties from holding sway over mosques, the ministry’s undersecretary Yahya Al-Najjar said. Scholars who show loyalty to political parties, particularly the opposition Islah party, would not be allowed to use mosques to spread their extremist beliefs, Al-Najjar said in remarks published by a website run by the ruling GPC party. “Pluralism is in politics not mosques. It is against the law to use mosques for partisan or political purposes,” he said. Al-Najjar, however, said the ministry would keep a tight rein on only 28,000 of the country’s 70,000 mosques.
Posted by: Fred || 06/08/2004 8:30:54 PM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Separation of church and state in an Arab country - Interesting!
Posted by: Phil B || 06/08/2004 20:37 Comments || Top||

#2  just withhold the qat--that'll make 'em come around
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI || 06/09/2004 0:29 Comments || Top||


Sheikh Hamad Proclaims Qatar’s First Constitution
Qatar was yesterday given a boost on its path of reform with the emir promulgating the Gulf state’s first written constitution, which won unanimous backing in a referendum a year ago. Although Sheikh Hamad ibn Khalifa Al-Thani endorsed the constitution, it will not come into full effect for another year when it will be published in the official gazette, the state news agency QNA reported. During this period, “constitutional institutions and businesses will be put in place, and the necessary legal measures to this effect,” QNA said. On April 29, 2003, an overwhelming majority of Qataris said “yes” to a written constitution ushering in a Gulf-style limited democracy. Qatar’s first constitution since independence in 1971 will leave real power with the emir and his family, but give citizens a greater say in the running of their country. The emir wants to continue efforts to achieve “the putting in place of a democratic regime ... by approving a permanent constitution which makes certain the fundamental base of society, realizes the participation of the population in taking decisions and guarantees citizens’ rights and freedoms,” QNA said. Legislative power will be vested in a Shoura (Consultative) Council made up of 45 members, two-thirds of whom would be elected and the rest appointed by the emir.
Posted by: Fred || 06/08/2004 8:05:34 PM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


American slain in Saudi capital
Gunmen have shot dead an American man in the Saudi capital Riyadh - the second such attack this week. "We can confirm that an American has been killed in Riyadh," said a US embassy official quoted by the Associated Press news agency. The Arab TV news channel al-Arabiya said the shooting happened in al-Khalij district, in the east of the city. It came two days after gunmen attacked a BBC TV crew, killing a cameraman and seriously wounding a correspondent.
Posted by: Howard UK || 06/08/2004 9:22:50 AM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Each of these murders will add momentum to the exodus. If the Saudi won't let Expats arm themselves and won't protect them, then the jihadis will get what they want. I'd say the flood gates are about to open - especially for those with their families in-Kingdom.

I wonder if the replacements will satisfy the Saudis. I think so perhaps, in the beginning, but not for long. Then what?
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 9:49 Comments || Top||

#2  .com,

Are you there? If you are, have you heard any rumors about a shoot out today at the Giant Store? We are confined to this camp and nobody knows what is going on.
Posted by: Anonymous4617 || 06/08/2004 10:12 Comments || Top||

#3  A4617: Nowt on the wires, thus far...
Posted by: Howard UK || 06/08/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#4  Details: An American man has been shot dead while driving his car in Riyadh, the latest attack on Westerners in Saudi Arabia. Reports suggest that the victim was a senior executive with the US firm Vinnell, a military logistics company with extensive business interests in the Middle East. He was killed as he left a clinic on Electricity Street in eastern Riyadh's Gulf district.

Posted by: Steve || 06/08/2004 11:14 Comments || Top||

#5  Hey dotcom - keep safe.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 06/08/2004 11:24 Comments || Top||

#6  Police said an American was killed after gunshots were fired at his house in eastern Riyadh. Other security sources quoted witnesses as saying the American was leaving a clinic when gunmen in a car followed him to his home and opened fire at him, killing him instantly. The American had worked for U.S. contracting company Vinnell, a unit of Northrop Grumman Corp which helps train the Saudi National Guard, an elite force for the pro-U.S. monarchy.
Posted by: Steve || 06/08/2004 11:33 Comments || Top||

#7  When I started work in the MK in '82, half of my colleagues had been in Iran during the Shah. Sweet jobs with Bell helicopter in Isfahan. They used to go on and on about how great Iran was: all the booze, dope, broads/guys, food, scenery, carpets, etc. anyone would want in a life time. Then there were the evacuation stories.

For expats who have lived/are living in MK, will they ever sit around a table and talk about the good ol' days in the MK? Well I know Jeddah was a pretty pleasant place in the '80's; Riyadh was OK in the 90's. Now two of my former compounds have been attacked. I used to drive by the Vinnell facility all the time. Shivers. Is it all going to bubble up and go mullah-like or will some sensible princes step in? My impression there was that the best solution would be to have the Naives, Sauds, Abdullahs, Sultans all go to Marbella and Tangier and their nephews take over. Of course, this new breed would have to be forward-looking, honest, flexible yet just tough enough to handle the Wahibi scowling class. Finding the right people would be a huge challenge, and the situation might actually be beyond repair. But I don't see the majority of the natives going for a mullahocracy. Whatever, somebody had better step in right now or we'll be looking at a disaster soon enough. Saudis would settle for a UAE-type tolerant society, but this silent majority is still under wraps since c-h-a-n-g-e t-h-e-r-e t-a-k-e-s s-o l-o-n-g and come back for the signature Inchallah tomorrow.

I sure hope the folks in DC are on top of this yet I bet nobody in any intelligence service, no matter the country, knows exactly what's going on there. The insularity of the place is overwhelming.
Posted by: Michael || 06/08/2004 13:17 Comments || Top||

#8  Oops - up all night so I conked out, sorry A4617. The Giant in Khobar on Pepsi Rd* near the "new" traffic circle? Nothing in the email from my friends. I'll have to ask around and see if they know anything, A4617.

YS - I'm already outta there, bro. A4617 is in Dhahran Camp - she's the one to worry about!

The Riyadh story details about following him home to shoot him ring true. No problem picturing that sequence. Sigh.

Michael - you're still there in Riyadh?

A4617 / Michael - One Saudi I used to regularly converse with told me that Joe Avg Saudi had a favorite Prince, one they all respected: Walid... this one, I think: Al Walid bin Khalid bin Talal Al Saud - generally referred to as Walid ibn (or bin) Talal for Googling. He's supposed to be the one Prince who took his money and made tons and tons more legitimately in business outside the Kingdom - not the usual ratbagging and "franchise" games of the others. The guy told me that Saudis on the street see him as the one who's smart, honest, a good businessman, etc, and when the others bailed he could stand up and instantly gain the respect of the people and stop a collapse - Wahhabis notwithstanding. Does this name resonate for either of you?

Check this page out - scroll down to "PRINCE WALID BIN TALAL, A PLUS IN A FAMILY OF MINUSES!" for a quick take on him.

Mebbe he can save the House of Saud - and perhaps a rational leader there would be useful and would hold off the Wahhabi takeover - it's just that many blather about sweeping them away -- and don't really know what they're on about. Anyone who knows their stuff and can chime in on this - PLEASE DO. I've always wondered if my "friend" was shooting straight with me. Googling this guy indicates he prolly was.

Mebbe not.

* We Expats have made-up names for most major roads - because they have no names most of the time and there are damned few street signs. Pepsi Rd runs in front of the Pepsi bottling plant, of course.
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#9  just tough enough to handle the Wahibi scowling class.
heh

What's the magic number of expats leaving that makes the royals twitch? Any guesses?
Posted by: Shipman || 06/08/2004 19:19 Comments || Top||

#10  When I started work in the MK in '82, half of my colleagues had been in Iran during the Shah. Sweet jobs with Bell helicopter in Isfahan. They used to go on and on about how great Iran was: all the booze, dope, broads/guys, food, scenery, carpets, etc. anyone would want in a life time. Then there were the evacuation stories.

Back in the day, I was offered a really rich deal to go do software in Teheran, duplicating a version of the US command and control systems for the Shah. We were newlyweds, dirt poor, I had college loans to repay and this was before the salary would be taxed ... we would have come home with enough to buy a house outright.

Hubby wouldn't go. I thought about it for a while (LOL) and then turned down the offer. It would have been an 18 mo tour. 17 mos into the period, the Shah fell, so I guess it turned out well for us after all.

It would have been great to pay off those loans and have a house, though!
Posted by: rkb || 06/08/2004 20:05 Comments || Top||

#11  ... #8 Wasn't this PrinceWalid that made money in the stock market during the 90's? Wasn't he also the Saudi Prince who presented a $10M check to Rudy Juliani after the 2001 WTC attack? When presenting the check, he blamed the attack on the Americans. Juliani basically told him where to shove his check.
Posted by: ed || 06/09/2004 3:23 Comments || Top||

#12  ed - That's the one. He played the Paleo and America asked for it cards, then got his check shoved up his ass. I didn't say he's my favorite guy, heh, but the Saudi man on the street thinks he's pretty spiffy. At least he isn't otherwise a moron as well.
Posted by: .com || 06/09/2004 3:40 Comments || Top||


KHOBAR: AN INSIDER'S STORY
Posted by: tipper || 06/08/2004 05:19 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is a better link (to the post itself, not the start of the comments):

http://timblair.spleenville.com/archives/006913.php
Posted by: Bulldog || 06/08/2004 5:26 Comments || Top||

#2  The Saudis are definitely complicit in some of this - they should certainly consider allowing westerners to arm themselves within their residences and possibly without, too. I have a couple of mates over there running businesses and I'm supposed to be attending a weddding there - this has now been postponed. Personally I wouldn't go near SA with a shitty stick in the current situation.
Posted by: Howard UK || 06/08/2004 6:18 Comments || Top||

#3  That report concurs with the information that a friend's husband, whose is a doctor at Saad Hospital, was given us as the events were taking place.
Posted by: Anonymous4617 || 06/08/2004 6:37 Comments || Top||

#4  I heard something interesting on the BBC about the two journos who were shot in Ryhad(sp) that maybe someone who has been to Saudi could comment on.

The BBC said they were shot by men riding in jeep. In my experience riding around in military style vehicles is purely a Western affection. No self-respecting Asian who can afford wheels would be caught dead in that kind of vehicle. So do civilians in SA drive jeep like vehicles?
Posted by: Phil B || 06/08/2004 7:16 Comments || Top||

#5  Phil B - Not commonly. They like Caprice Classics, Crown Victorias, Suburbans, Range Rovers, SUVs, and then all the Japanese cars. You would not believe how many Caprices are there - that's where they all disappeared to. Dating back to 70's models. They love the big 350's, heavy-duty radiators, super A/C, lots of steel, lots of room.

The joke among Expats was, if you were going to buy a car, you wanted big air, big 8, big steel.

Jeep Wagoneers & Cherokees, but I saw (remember) no open-top or rag tops.
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 7:29 Comments || Top||

#6  Thanks .com. The implication is that riding in a Jeep means the shooters were part of the Saudi security forces.

Years ago when I lived in the USA I had a Caprice for a while. Man, could those things guzzle gas.
Posted by: Phil B || 06/08/2004 7:35 Comments || Top||

#7  But at about 50SR / liter ($0.136 USD) that's no problemo - and we're not talking self serve, either, no waaay. Most stations have 4-5 Pakistanis on-station in the driveway who live to fill your tank. Weird place.
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 7:40 Comments || Top||

#8  no rag tops? In Soddy?
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 7:48 Comments || Top||

#9  Oh, forgot to mention - that's all Premium 93-94 Octane. Hi-test, bro! They don't even HAVE anything else but diesel.
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 7:54 Comments || Top||

#10  Frank: Soddies come with built-in rag top.
Posted by: Howard UK || 06/08/2004 8:18 Comments || Top||

#11  Howard got it
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 8:18 Comments || Top||

#12  Failed to see the irony - as a Brit, I feel duly ashamed.
Posted by: Howard UK || 06/08/2004 8:24 Comments || Top||

#13  Lol! *golf clap* *snicker* Better? Lol!

Believe it or not, I weeded that term out of my vocabulary before I went over. Now it's just not in my list - so your reference went right by me, duh!
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 8:26 Comments || Top||

#14  how about table cloth and a couple fan belts?
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 8:29 Comments || Top||

#15  Well, it's just one fan belt, twist into a figure-8 and fold over - put the cross-over in the back. Original use: do the figure-8 and put on hind legs of the camel to hobble him. You don't see that loud-assed Palestinian / Italian tablecloth version or the black & white checkered very often - those you do see are mainly worn like a bandana by the PakiWakis. Hey, I couldn't get any of my Saudi "friends" to tell me anything that made sense about the various styles, like if certain ones were favored by specific tribes or clans. Just individual taste, as far as I know. Plain white and a fine white-red checkered were the norm. Limit reached, heh.
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 8:38 Comments || Top||

#16  They've started doing 'PLO black check' and 'Wahabbi red check ' baseball caps - becoming quite popular amongst the disaffected minorities in SE London.
Posted by: Howard UK || 06/08/2004 8:57 Comments || Top||

#17  Consider that a targeting aid, Howard, heh... methinks everybody be sorta disaffected, Lol!
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 8:59 Comments || Top||

#18  I'm re-reading the story from the link and wonder if we'll ever know the real victim count. With about 20 bad guys, apparently, and some of the text about what went on inside Oasis, 22 dead sounds very low. And the injured must wildly exceed what was reported.

A funny thing was that the account had nothing at all about the 7 Americans supposedly freed (2 wounded) early in the Oasis standoff - or HOW the wonderful Saudi Commandos "freed" them. Bandar made a big deal out of it - and then nothing. Poof - gone from the news. Ah, the Magic Kingdom, only the perps and the Keystone Koppers know dick.
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 9:11 Comments || Top||

#19  .com: the low damage/body count seemed odd to me too. All that coordination among all those jihadis and all they do is opportunistically shoot some people up? Perhaps the point was just terror, or perhaps we're missing something...
Posted by: someone || 06/08/2004 14:21 Comments || Top||

#20  Damned Saudis - especially Nayef. Until some talkative eyewitnesses leave the Kingdom they get away with this rope-a-dope shit...
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 17:13 Comments || Top||

#21  Ah yes! Big Iron! Remembering when the air was clean and sex was dirty.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/08/2004 17:48 Comments || Top||

#22  Hey, I couldn't get any of my Saudi "friends" to tell me anything that made sense about the various styles, like if certain ones were favored by specific tribes or clans. Just individual taste, as far as I know. Plain white and a fine white-red checkered were the norm. Limit reached, heh.

One thing I remember was the young, unmarried guys tucked the sides up into the band. 'Course that was ten years ago and fads may have changed...
Posted by: Pappy || 06/08/2004 20:28 Comments || Top||

#23  Pappy - Lol! Nope - they're still doing it... hey, anything to be different, the siren call of youth!

Ship - Pappy and others can verify this... I went to an auto auction out in the middle of nowhere where they held these things in the Dhahrah area - and there was this amazing set of concrete slabs for parking the cars on sale. One had to be about 2-3 acres square - and there was nothing but Caprices on it - ranging from late 70's to mid-90's. Never saw so many of 'em in one place, ever before. A pure memory trip, lol! Big iron, indeed!
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 23:19 Comments || Top||


Britain
Wife tells of suicide bomber mail
The widow of British suicide bomber Omar Sharif has broken down in court recalling an email he sent eight days before the attack. Tahira Tabassum told the Old Bailey she believed his message meant he was going to leave her and their children. Omar Sharif targeted a bar in Tel Aviv, Israel in April 2003 with a fellow bomber who killed three people. His wife and two relatives deny charges of failing to disclose information about terrorism. Mrs Tabassum told the court she was confused when she read the contents of the email: "I felt very sad," she told the jury, before putting her hands to her face and appearing to sob. "I was crying a lot. I felt numb. All I understood from the email was that Omar was leaving me. I could not accept that," she said.

She later ripped up the email, she said, because she could not take the rejection. Mr Sharif’s widow was giving evidence in her defence for a second day. Along with Omar’s sister Parveen Sharif and brother Zahid Sharif, she denies charges they failed to disclose information about terrorism. Parveen also denies inciting Omar Sharif to commit an act of terrorism.

Three people were killed and 65 injured when Omar Sharif and fellow bomber Asif Hanif targeted Mike’s Place, a seafront bar, on 30 April 2003. Hanif also died but Sharif’s device failed to go off. The 27-year-old’s body was found floating in the sea 12 days later. Mrs Tabassum said she heard of the bombing when someone said it was on the news. She went to the police to find out what was happening, but did not mention the email, she said. Asked what she would do had she known he was on a suicide bombing mission, she replied: "Obviously I would be upset and very sad. I would do everything to stop him. First and foremost because he is my husband - I love him. That is the obvious reason. Secondly, it is wrong what he is wanting to do."

The trial continues.
Posted by: Howard UK || 06/08/2004 10:45:45 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  isn't this the guy where the family was denying left and right that it was impossible he was involved?
Posted by: Dan || 06/08/2004 10:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Along those lines. The police raided the house and found a certain amount of Jihadi propaganda lying around as well as the condemning e-mail conversations between Sharif and his sister and his wife. They will almost certainly get off the charge as they have superb legal representation in Michael Mansfield QC. Shame.
Posted by: Howard UK || 06/08/2004 11:11 Comments || Top||

#3  (theo-zimmerman.freeserve.co.uk)


Omar Sharif?
Wasn't there also a terrorist named Tariq Aziz other than the familliar Saddahm sycophant?

Posted by: BigEd || 06/08/2004 12:18 Comments || Top||

#4  I believe we had the other Aziz in a Pakland story the other day, possibly Kashmir-related?
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 12:48 Comments || Top||

#5  "I felt very sad...I was crying a lot...I felt numb." Wasn't this the page from Hilary's book when she "found out" that Bill was cheating on her? Well, if it worked for Hil, Tahira can give it a shot.
Posted by: Michael || 06/08/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#6  Um, how does one "rip up" an email?

Her computer or an Internet Cafe?

This is some seriously half-assed reporting.
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 18:04 Comments || Top||


Down Under
US military base in Australia a move to strengthen ties
The United States will establish a major training base in the north of Australia, further tightening the military ties between the two countries and increasing Australian access to new American technology. The decision, confirmed by Australian Defence Minister Robert Hill, ends months of speculation and comes as the US shakes its forces free of Cold War thinking, a move that has already resulted in troops shifting from South Korea to Iraq. After meeting US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld at an Asia-Pacific defence ministers’ meeting in Singapore, Hill said an in-principle agreement on a base in Queensland or the Northern Territory could be signed next month.

Although Hill said the base would be a joint facility and would not house any permanent deployment of US troops or equipment, it is clear that most of the cost will be borne by Washington. The US has been looking for new bases, training areas and port facilities in a global shakeup of its forces that Rumsfeld said was designed to shift the US away from static defence to a more agile, more capable and a more 21st-century posture. The US already has a significant involvement in Australia, through the electronic spy base at Pine Gap, near Alice Springs, regular port visits by its Navy ships, and large-scale training exercises.

Australia, which sees a US military presence as a key to its own security and regional stability, has been increasing its defence ties under the conservative Government of Prime Minister John Howard, one of only a few world leaders to support Washington in the Iraq war. Canberra has signed on to the "Son of Star Wars" missile defence programme and is a member of President George W. Bush’s plan to block the trade in missiles and weapons of mass destruction through blockades and interceptions of ships and aircraft. Yesterday, three Australian warships sailed from Sydney to join the big US Rimpac Naval exercise off Hawaii, joining other vessels from the US, Britain, Japan, South Korea, Chile and Peru.

American technology is also becoming more important to Australia. The Royal Australian Air Force will be re-equipped with a single US aircraft type, the Joint Strike Fighter, its Navy’s new air defence destroyers will be based around the American Aegis warfare system that will enable them to join the US missile defence network, and the Army is buying new M1 Abrams tanks. Defence analysts have seen little benefit in housing a permanent US force, or pre-positioning military hardware in Australia, because of the country’s distance from the most likely trouble spots. A big permanent US base in Australia would also conflict with America’s new emphasis on a leaner, agile and more flexible military. But the Australian Strategic Policy Institute’s recently released annual strategic assessment said military training and exercises with the US were important for the ability of the forces to work together and as a public statement of the health of the alliance. The institute said a joint training base would be valuable and would be a positive sign that they wanted to engage Australia in a major expression of America’s continued commitment to the alliance and to a strong focus on the region. Hill said the proposed base would involve an investment of tens of millions of dollars by the US and would give Australian forces the opportunity of training with America’s most sophisticated systems.
Posted by: tipper || 06/08/2004 5:04:08 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The institute said a joint training base would be valuable and would be a positive sign that they wanted to engage Australia in a major expression of America’s continued commitment to the alliance and to a strong focus on the region.

Everything about this is right on. England may be America's mother, but Australia is our sister.
Posted by: Ptah || 06/08/2004 7:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi!

By brother flew F-111's with the Aussie's for two years, kind of an exchange program we have with them. Definitely his favorite deployment.

Right on Ptah.
Posted by: AllahHateMe || 06/08/2004 8:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Defence analysts have seen little benefit in housing a permanent US force...in Australia, because of the country’s distance from the most likely trouble spots.

Southern Thailand and Malaysia are certainly trouble spots in the area. Our presence will infuriate the Islamicists! I thank God there are countries like Australia who see the obvious benefit in deepening and strengthening the relationship between our two countries. YEA AUSSIES!
Posted by: jules 187 || 06/08/2004 9:39 Comments || Top||

#4  Jules - you left out Indonesia, the Straits of Malacca, and the Spratleys as nearby trouble spots
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 9:46 Comments || Top||

#5  TO: Greg Ansley, this article's author
FROM:Chicago Mike
RE: Your bias

Greg,

Being an English teacher and militant in the War on Islamofasicm, I have acquired the annoying habit of absolutely freaking out when I see articles such as your own filled with digs at those in Australia and the US intent on making sure you can still keep your freedom of expression in the decades to come.

1) Please tell me how many is a "few". As in,"...John Howard, one of only a few world leaders to support Washington in the Iraq war." Correct me if I am wrong in telling my students that a few means between 3-6. In fact, dozens of countries have supported the US in Iraq, each according to what it can contribute.

2)"Defence analysts have seen little benefit...flexible military" (2 paragraphs) Then the next two paragraphs describe how beneficial such a base would be to Australia, using the Australian Strategic Policy Institute as a source. Question: Do the people to whom you spoke at the ASPI consider themselves "defence analysts"? Do you consider them to be so? Which defence analysts did you talk to who see this new policy as of little benefit or as conflicting "...with America's new emphasis on a leaner, agile, more flexible military."? Names, names!

3) In your opinion, did Australia's and New Zealand's distance from "trouble spots" in the Pacific Theater in WWII serve as a hinderance to the eventual victory over Imperial Japan? Where would you have proposed putting forward sub bases to attack Japanes shipping in the Java and South China Sea, if not in Australia? Where would you have proposed the training of the USMC divisions that conquered Betio, Saipan, and Iwo Jima, if not in New Zealand? What is so risible in 2004 about Australian and US forces that was not the case when MacArthur addressed the Aussie Parliament after his evacuation from Corregidor in 1942?

4) Have you noticed an uptick in terrorism in the SE Asian landmass in the past "few" years? What about instability in China or the Korean Peninsula? (Pop quiz: Does "few" here mean 3-6 years or 30-60 years?)

Willing to serve as your personal editor for only $25 (US) an hour.

Sincerely,

Michael (Go All Blacks and Cubs! See, we can get along after all.)



PS Thanks Fred and .com for upgrades.
Posted by: Michael || 06/08/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||

#6  England may be America's mother, but Australia is our sister.

And Canada is the brother we all just a little worried about.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/08/2004 17:53 Comments || Top||

#7  And Norway is our 2nd cousin thrice removed we'd like to get to know better but are not sure it's allowed.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/08/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#8  And Scotland bought us whiskey when we were underage....

Okay, I'll stop.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/08/2004 17:56 Comments || Top||

#9  And Poland is our long lost cousin at last found.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 06/08/2004 20:12 Comments || Top||

#10  Michael - don't underprice yourself. $45, minimum.
Posted by: Fred || 06/08/2004 20:18 Comments || Top||

#11  I have no qualms about getting to know Norway better. Hot, hot, hot.
Posted by: remote man || 06/08/2004 20:29 Comments || Top||

#12  Mexico reminds me of an ex-girlfriend I'd rather forget....
Posted by: Pappy || 06/08/2004 20:31 Comments || Top||

#13  dream on RM - I'm half Norwegian. You don't want that....clarify your request.....I'm betting you're thinking female
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 20:39 Comments || Top||

#14  I am glad to see our troops are being based with the right people in the war on terrorism.
Posted by: badanov || 06/08/2004 22:37 Comments || Top||

#15  France is our Mother and sister--and she's very disappointed but loves us--just not this bunch of criminals who have hijacked our government! If it wasn't for France we'd be talking like the Brits and all would be jolly good
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 06/09/2004 0:15 Comments || Top||

#16  The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France--what the hell did the Brits ever give us except the burning of the White House?
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 06/09/2004 0:18 Comments || Top||

#17  What have the Romans Brits ever given us? Nothing!

Well, they built the roads gave us our legal system. And the schools Magna Carta. And the aquaducts sandwich! Yumm!

Oh, okay. But other than those...

Lol - just had a Monty Python moment. Sorry.

Blah blah blah, NMM. You miss all the points fit to print. C'mon, man. Y'know, in spite of your screechy stuff and the nasty personal attack mode you whip out from time to time, I know you're intelligent. It would be very nice to have you drop the mantle of Jester and actually talk to us.
Posted by: .com || 06/09/2004 0:31 Comments || Top||

#18  I know you're intelligent.

What?!? I didn't get that memo.
Posted by: Rafael || 06/09/2004 0:52 Comments || Top||

#19  Lol! Just think, Rafael, how complete his recall is for spewing DUmmy Talking Points. I mean, sure, he could just be an idiot savante, but...
Posted by: .com || 06/09/2004 1:02 Comments || Top||

#20  I usually give people the benefit of the doubt, but this guy is just way out there. I'm still LMAO at comment #15.
Posted by: Rafael || 06/09/2004 1:11 Comments || Top||

#21  Yes, you DO! Sometimes I wish I could be more like you - and other times I'd like to strangle you! I'm sure, of course, that the feelings are mutual! Lol!

As for the sad sack NMM, I think that RC's Loonie Setback Syndrome must be in play - in other words the LLL suffered badly from some event today, such as the UNSC resolution, causing NMM to be compelled to venture forth and spew! I've begun to think he just can't help himself. Pretty pathetic.
Posted by: .com || 06/09/2004 1:21 Comments || Top||


Europe
Italy jugs 3/11 mastermind
Italy arrested an Egyptian man considered to be a mastermind of the Madrid train bombings in the first Europe-wide swoop on Islamic militants linked to the March attack, judicial sources said Tuesday. Italian Interior Minister Giuseppe Pisanu said militants had been planning more attacks as police swooped as part of an operation across Europe. He said the swoop was aimed at a group "close to al Qaeda." Police in Milan arrested Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed, known as "Mohamed the Egyptian," and another man as part of cross-border raids into the March 11 bombings that killed 191 people in the Spanish capital, the judicial sources said. Ahmed was considered "one of the masterminds" of the Madrid bombings, a Spanish Interior Ministry spokesman said.
There can be only one "Mastermind". It's a union thing.
He has been linked to a Tunisian man, now dead, whom investigators identified as the ringleader of the suspected Islamic militants behind the attacks, the spokesman added. A Madrid court will now seek the extradition of the 32-year-old Egyptian, a court official said.
Call out the lawyers...
Police in northern Italy, France, Spain and Belgium took part in the coordinated raids, Italian judicial sources said. "Raids are under way in Belgium, Spain and France as well as in Italy," an Italian judicial source said. Another judicial source said: "It is coordinated at the European level." Italian police were acting on an arrest warrant when they seized Ahmed late Monday. High Court Judge Juan del Olmo, who has been leading the probe into the train attacks, issued the warrant Monday. "I know that there has been an arrest for which we should congratulate the Italian police and all the police who have worked with the Italians," Spanish Interior Minister Jose Antonio Alonso told reporters. "Mohamed the Egyptian" was seized after a three-month probe by Italy’s anti-terrorist unit and Italian intelligence and he was thought to be the head of a Moroccan radical Islamist cell, Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera said. Corriere reported the owner of the man’s apartment in Milan, believed to be a north African, was also arrested. Belgian federal prosecutor Eric Van Der Sypt confirmed Brussels was working with the Italian authorities. Italian news agency ANSA said Belgian police arrested one man in Belgium and detained about a dozen others. Another Italian newspaper, La Repubblica, said three or four men had been arrested in raids in three northern Italian towns including Milan and they had planned an attack in Italy.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 06/08/2004 9:07:57 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Bravo Italy!
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 06/08/2004 21:18 Comments || Top||


Madrid suspect ’held in Italy’
A man suspected of involvement in the Madrid train bombings has been detained in Italy, an Italian newspaper says. Corriere della Sera said the man was known as Mohammed the Egyptian, and was held after a three-month inquiry. There was no immediate police confirmation. Unconfirmed reports also spoke of other arrests elsewhere in Europe. The Spanish government has previously said all the key figures involved in planning and carrying out the 11 March attacks are dead or in custody.
Posted by: Howard Uk || 06/08/2004 4:21:02 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Corriere della Sera said the man was known as Mohammed the Egyptian,"

Right, I know him!

Posted by: Johnnie Bartlette || 06/08/2004 8:03 Comments || Top||

#2  I must admit I am impressed with how the Spanish have rolled up the network. I think they got lucky in the begining - chip off a mobile phone casing used in one of the bombs found on the floor of a shop that was run by a gang member. Got the phone because they did'nt realize the bag it was in was a bomb and hence didn't blow it up in a controlled explosion, but good work since then.
Posted by: Phil B || 06/08/2004 8:17 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Judge invalidates search of indicted imam’s home
A terrorist group’s manifesto and other items were taken in an illegal search of an Islamic cleric’s home and cannot be used at his trial on accusations that he concealed ties to terrorist organizations, a judge has ruled. U.S. District Court Judge James Gwin, in a decision filed late Monday, ruled in favor of a defense motion in the Jan. 13 search of the suburban Strongsville home of Fawaz Mohammed Damra, 41. FBI agents searched the home after the Palestinian-born imam was arrested there. Agents seized a computer, copies of sermons and political speeches, the manifesto of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and stacks of financial records. Assistant U.S. Attorney James V. Moroney Jr. said the manifesto was the only item from the search that the government intended to use at the trial. No decision was made immediately on whether to appeal the judge’s ruling, he said.

Damra’s wife, Nasreen, was instructed to go to the basement during the arrest, apparently because she was upset, and the "uninvited lingering on the premises" by the agents after the arrest meant the search was unreasonable and therefore illegal, Gwin ruled. "The agents’ plan all along was apparently to prevent Nasreen Damra from knowing whether she had the right to ask them to leave," the judge said in a 16-page ruling. Damra, leader of the Islamic Center of Cleveland, has pleaded innocent to a charge of obtaining U.S. citizenship in 1994 by providing false information. He is accused of having connections with the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and other groups and not revealing them when he applied for citizenship. The trial is scheduled to begin next Tuesday in Akron. Damra also has been charged with tax evasion, money laundering, mail and wire fraud.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 06/08/2004 4:33:35 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "The agents’ plan all along was apparently to prevent Nasreen Damra from knowing whether she had the right to ask them to leave," the judge said in a 16-page ruling.

Nasreen doesn't have much of an excuse. I was 10 years old when two cops were looking through the family garage for stolen bikes.

Me - "Do you have a search warrant?"
Them - "No."
Me - "Then please leave."

That's it. Know your rights.
Posted by: Raj || 06/08/2004 17:03 Comments || Top||

#2  I am continually astonished at how Americans in particular, and people in general, permit themselves to be shamefully unversed in both law and medicine. If there are two fundamental spheres that permeate human life, they are legal and medical issues. Yet, somehow, people manage to remain blissfully unaware of such matters.

For some time now, technological advances have supressed natural selection's ability to properly chlorinate the gene pool. So many who would once have been left at the village's edge when winter arrived are instead, farting through silk.

Judges who intentionally promote "nanny state" legal gymnastics desperately need to find themselves on the business end of a plea bargained repeat offender's gun.
Posted by: Zenster || 06/08/2004 21:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Either we live in a society where the rule of law is respected or we turn into the Islamonutz---the police obviously did wrong
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 06/09/2004 0:24 Comments || Top||


Human Events asks Congressmen about Padilla
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/08/2004 00:52 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
I myself believe the accusations against Padilla and think we can continue to detain him in the current circumstances, but this interviewer is a bit presumptuous about the issues.

There are valid doubts about the facts, because we have heard only the Government's accusations. And there are valid Constitutional issues about due process.

The interviewer is a clever polemicist, though. He's good at ambushing people and publishing their answers in an embarrassing manner.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/08/2004 7:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds like an interview with Kerry. He wants to play both sides. 'I am OUTRAGED by his detention but glad we did to find out what he knew about terrorists plans.' It was/is right to detain a COMBABTANT that is working on behalf of another nation/group opposed to the U.S. If this was 1943 and Padilla had be working for the Germans would we be having this discussion?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 06/08/2004 10:40 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Pop goes the Dim-o-brats Iraq bubble
I am sorry for using Reuters.
My goodness how stupid does the left look now. George W. Reagan (Bush) has done it again!!
I am sorry; I am feeling very much in the Ronald Reagan spirit of things and can’t help to think that he is watching all of this very closely and having the last laugh as usual

UN unanimously adopts resolution on Iraq
The U.N. Security Council has voted unanimously for a U.S.-British resolution that formally ends the occupation of Iraq on June 30 and authorises a U.S.-led force to keep the peace. "It means full sovereignty for Iraq. It means a new age in hopefully very pleasant Iraqi history," said Iraq’s new interim president, Ghazi al-Yawar, who is visiting Washington. The vote by the 15-nation council on Tuesday endorsed a "sovereign" interim Iraqi government and said the country’s new leaders had the right to order the international troops to leave at any time. The resolution makes clear the mandate of the multinational force commanded by the Americans would expire, in any case, by the end of January 2006. As part of the text, the United States pledged "partnership" and co-ordination with Iraq’s leaders on military campaigns but stopped short of giving Baghdad a veto over major offensives as France, Germany, Algeria and other council members had wanted.
Posted by: Long Hair Republican || 06/08/2004 5:26:11 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "country’s new leaders had the right to order the international troops to leave at any time."

I thought that was the part we objected to. I can see why the French and Russians approved it. If true even now they are probably working hard to find some Iraqi government official to start making noises about the "Occupation troops" beating feat. I thoiught that we were supposed to stick to our guns to the effect that we would consult, but not be ordered. If this is the case it may not be such a victory, just a ticking time bomb waiting for French and Russian meddling.

I really hope this is wrong.
Posted by: Michael || 06/08/2004 17:44 Comments || Top||

#2  Ok, big deal - Bush may have facilitated the makings of a free Iraqi government, but he still lied about the WMDs, he is in favor of torture, and it could still end up like Vietnam. And he risked American lives and created terrorists in Iraq.
Posted by: Jennifer || 06/08/2004 17:52 Comments || Top||

#3  History shows again and again . . . W is never more dangerous than when his enemies think they have him cornered. The new Iraq government is made up of friendlies--very grateful friendlies, mind you. We've nothing to worry about.

I'm waiting for Kerry to denounce the Security Council as a "fraudulent coalition" of "the bribed, the coerced, and the duped."
Posted by: Mike || 06/08/2004 17:56 Comments || Top||

#4  Jennifer - poor brainless child of the left.
I guess that Sarin found the other day was a new kind of non-stick spray.....
Oh yeah torture that is what your feeling right now right Jennifer with all of this great news about the economy, jobs and the WOT.
You mean he is killing terrorist in Iraq right.
With all the blather of the left you still don't realize Saddam was a huge WMD. You hate America don't you Jennifer? You pathetic Socalist Pinko Commie PUKE!!
Posted by: Long Hair Republican || 06/08/2004 17:59 Comments || Top||

#5  Michael

Yes, I understand you comment regarding friendlies and I agree with you, I just hate the thought of the loophole if indeed it exists (it may not).

My problem is that if it does that is how the French may plan on obstructing things in the future and attempting to divert us from our mission and goals. I really really do not trust those folks.

At all.

Then again I may just be paranoid.




Posted by: Michael || 06/08/2004 18:07 Comments || Top||

#6  It must really suck to be so wrong so often. I picture the LLL doing John Travolta's bit from waaay back on that stupid TV show where he would grab his head and scream, "Oh! My brain hurts!"

Jennifer, it must suck to be you. So stop, fool.
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 18:09 Comments || Top||

#7  Jennifer

I guess hope springs eternal in the Lefties breast, eh?

Kind of sad, really.
Posted by: Michael || 06/08/2004 18:10 Comments || Top||

#8  "I thought that was the part we objected to."

No, it wasn't: the part we objected to was the part the French wanted, about giving the Iraqis a "veto" over Coalition military operations.

Plain fact is, they're not going to ask us to leave; there are far too many benefits to having us stay (and we will see to it that there are, you can be sure), and asking us to leave would be utterly suicidal, anyway.
Posted by: Dave D. || 06/08/2004 18:13 Comments || Top||

#9  ...the country’s new leaders had the right to order the international troops to leave at any time

Enforcing that right could prove problematic, however. If we weren't a bunch of nice guys, I mean.
Posted by: mojo || 06/08/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||

#10  I'm waiting for Kerry to denounce the Security Council as a "fraudulent coalition" of "the bribed, the coerced, and the duped."

I wouldn't put it past him; I really wouldn't. Doesn't really have many other alternatives anymore, does he?
Posted by: Dave D. || 06/08/2004 18:17 Comments || Top||

#11  David

Oh, my mistake. Now that you mention I believe you are right.

I was not trying to dis the President here. I just sort of thought something was wrong. Turns our it was me :-)))

But I stll don't trust the French not to try something sneaky.
Posted by: Michael || 06/08/2004 18:20 Comments || Top||

#12  French... sneaky... c'est la meme chose, n'est ce pas?

Screw the French. Looks to me like they've been told to knock off the bullshit and get with the program.
Posted by: Dave D. || 06/08/2004 18:33 Comments || Top||

#13  The right of the Iraqi's to ask US forces to leave has a very interesting current context: look at what is going on in South Korea. They rant about wanting the US to leave, then when we start to pull troops out they get very nervous. I'm sure the current and upcoming leaders in Iraq are taking note of the fact that, if you make us feel unwelcome, we might leave, and you might not be too happy with that.
Posted by: Sludj || 06/08/2004 18:34 Comments || Top||

#14  Can you say "misunderestimated"? (heh-heh)
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/08/2004 18:39 Comments || Top||

#15  ok How did bush lie about wmd? even clinton and the french were convinced that iraq had wmd and ole saddam acted as if he did (which he did - mustard and sarin to mention a few)...

torture? please i personally would rather have underwear put on my head than my head chopped off...

and the comment about vietnam is way over the top - this will never end up like vietnam. jennifer go and study your history - vietnam had big power supporters that kept them well supplied plus freedom of movement in the north plus a multitude of other reasons.....

about american lives - we either confront militant islam or be consumed by it. i just thank god we have brave men and women who are willing to sacrafice for my freedom..and your's unfortunetly because you do not deserve any freedoms...freedom is not automatic and must be continually fought for...

created terrorists? like terrorism is a new...better there than here dumbass...
Posted by: Dan || 06/08/2004 18:58 Comments || Top||

#16  LOL!
You go Jennifer!
Posted by: AntiPasto || 06/08/2004 19:12 Comments || Top||

#17  Stop the presses: Shitstani is now pissed off about the resolution. Only Darth Vader knows why, but I caught just this tidbit on FoxNews TV that he says it's illegal or something...developing story, I'm sure. I have nothing good to say about Shitstani.

We'll see - Plz watch the news sites and post it when someone puts out a definitive explanation.
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 19:12 Comments || Top||

#18  it could still end up like Vietnam

Sure. With enough rainfall, I guess it could. It already has the low-lying marsh land to the south and two large rivers. Not sure what to do about the people though.
Posted by: Rafael || 06/08/2004 19:19 Comments || Top||

#19  ..but he still lied about the WMDs,..

Yawn. You're using dated material that's been deconstructed at least a thousand times already.
Try again.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/08/2004 19:52 Comments || Top||

#20  #2 jennifer......you're a fucking idiot, who can't learn. You poor thing, the fag loving united way has a position for you. You can sew buttons on teddy bears.....any fucking idiot can do that.
Posted by: Halfass Pete || 06/08/2004 19:56 Comments || Top||

#21  about american lives - we either confront militant islam or be consumed by it. i just thank god we have brave men and women who are willing to sacrafice for my freedom.

Yes.

Re: Sistani, I think he overplayed his hand with the US by playing games about Sadr. That set back the Shia intent to dominate the government for a while and Sistani is not happy about it, I would imagine.

However, he is not a fan of Iran's and so is limited in the degree of chaos he will directly support, especially after seeing how the locals began to turn on Sadr and his militia.

Bottom line: he has power and influence, but not to unlimited degrees and he overplayed things in Jan - Mar, when he had a LOT of US support. The Iraqis have a lot of scores to settle and a lot more internal negotiations to have with one another - witness the Kurds threatening to break away, too.

Those who protest that the interim government are puppets don't understand that this next year is Iraq's chance to work out these power relationships in a fairly stable context, while the nuts and bolts of the country get set up again (and on a far better basis than under Saddam). Over 80% of the people of Iraq never remember a time when Saddam wasn't in power ... it will take them time to work through all this.

And we WILL leave if they ask us - but as mentioned above, the wiser heads won't do so any time soon, I suspect. What will happen is that we will gradually withdraw to camps outside the city areas, where our security operations along the borders can be carried out with far less impact on the day to day lives of ordinary Iraqis.
Posted by: rkb || 06/08/2004 19:58 Comments || Top||

#22  ooops! im accidenly stumble into angry thread. sory.
Posted by: muck4doo || 06/08/2004 20:04 Comments || Top||

#23  .com: I believe it was posted here sometime this week; Sistani doesn't like the fact that the resolution endorses the interim constitution, which he doesn't like because it prevents the Shiites from screwing the Kurdsgives the Kurds an effective veto.
Posted by: someone || 06/08/2004 20:09 Comments || Top||

#24  The funny thing is that Bush has essentially won, but won't be able to crow about it till the end of the month. That's about enough rope for the Dims to noose themselves with...
Posted by: someone || 06/08/2004 20:11 Comments || Top||

#25  just out of curiosity, most of you here have denounced the UN at any possible opportunity yet are all content that the resolution has passed and arguing that it's a big victory for the Bush administration. Aren't these two positions contradictory?
Posted by: Igster || 06/08/2004 21:59 Comments || Top||

#26  not at all - I dislike many brands of toilet paper, yet presented with a "bad" choice, will still gladly use it
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 22:30 Comments || Top||

#27  someone - You're right - that may be what I heard the tail end of on Fox - but I've been waiting diligently for a posting somewhere and nothing. Mebbe that was it. What you and rkb posit is accurate - the interim bunch, or at least PM Allawi, FM Zebari, and Pres Yawer (sheesh a new bunch to remember and spell correctly, sigh!) all seem to get it and are doing the right things, so far. I'm encouraged.

The UN / UNSC is just checking all the boxes to satisfy the zipperheads in an election season. Igs is just being the usual disingenuous foil. Does it most of the time. Piss off - there is more than enough information in our posts for you to answer your pissy little joke question. You're a typical EuroTool.
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 23:31 Comments || Top||

#28  fuck off .com, you're a fucking moron as always
Posted by: Igster || 06/09/2004 0:08 Comments || Top||

#29  Igster - love the "ter" add-on. So much more impressive - it gives weight and a further sense of gravite' to your posts. Thx for the personal aside, coming from you it's a compliment. 8^)
Posted by: .com || 06/09/2004 0:22 Comments || Top||

#30  too amusing .com the resident pedophile based in Thailand lecturing real Americans who actually live in this Magic Kingdom ruled by an un-elected asshole
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 06/09/2004 0:32 Comments || Top||

#31  Keep quoting Fox--as if those right wing asses have a clue!--Why don't you just say "then Rush Limbaugh said..?"
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 06/09/2004 0:33 Comments || Top||

#32  Ah well, NMM, you're just pure asshole. So much for trying. You know you suck like and F5 - only when you've passed, nothing has changed, so I guess you just suck to no effect.
Posted by: .com || 06/09/2004 0:42 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Filippino commandos kill 1 Abu Sayyaf
Navy commandoes killed an Abu Sayyaf guerrilla and captured another in a clash in the southern Philippine island of Tawi-Tawi, the military said Tuesday. Police alerted the Navy to the presence of several Abu Sayyaf gunmen brandishing firearms near the town of Sugala on Monday, the military said.
"Yar, we be Abu Sayyaf, see our guns? Yar!"
Members of the Navy’s Special Warfare Group were later dispatched but met with resistance by the rebels, triggering a gunbattle, it said. Abu Sayyaf rebel Mangsan Ladjabassan was killed while another, Barly Galib, was captured and is now undergoing interrogation, the military said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 06/08/2004 9:13:38 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Rumours of impending apocalypse jolt Iranian capital
EFL
The millions of residents of the Iranian capital, all housed on top of a string of seismic faultlines, had up until recently taken their geophysical predicament with a mixture of apathy and sheer ignorance.
Sheer Ignorance? Couldn’t be... [snipped bits about nearby quakes, its the 150 year cycle and people freaking out
For when the big one does come, Tehran’s residents can be assured of a total catastrophe. According to various studies, notably by Japanese experts, a quake measuring over 6 degrees on the Richter scale could kill more than one million of greater Tehran’s 12 million people.
snipped yet more on people scared of their crappy apartments, stocking food and the like...

Seems to me that it’s time for the VOA to start broadcasting stuff like "In a recent study at an unnamed university, it was found and 3 out of 4 geologists recommend against nuclear weapon testing in geologically unstable regions."

"And 3 out of 4 survivalists recommend against listening to mullahs."
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 06/08/2004 8:49:10 PM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And 3 out of 4 survivalists recommend against listening to mullahs.

Burt Gummer: The Iranian Years?
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 06/09/2004 2:34 Comments || Top||


Europeans slap Iran Nuclear Program Cheating
Posted by: George || 06/08/2004 17:43 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Without waiting for the UN nuclear watchdog to submit its report at the June 14 Vienna board meeting, the three European governments circulated a draft UN nuclear resolution that would sharply rebuke Iran for not cooperating fully with the lAEA.

Oooooooooh, a resolution that's going to rebuke Iran. That sounds sooooooooo scary and intimidating.....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/08/2004 19:56 Comments || Top||

#2  The Sharp Rebuke, a vital weapon in European foreign policy. Followed by Probation, Double Secret Probation, Triple Secret Probation, culminating in Let The Americans Deal With It.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/08/2004 21:36 Comments || Top||

#3  tu3031 - ...and bitch about it when they do.
Posted by: PBMcL || 06/08/2004 23:49 Comments || Top||

#4  Yes those Europeans are our adversaries in the War on terrorism--let's just keep marginalizing them like the dumbass Republicans have been doing
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 06/09/2004 0:49 Comments || Top||

#5  You're a complete idiot NMM. The only difference between you and a feral child is that you have a slightly higher vocabulary.
Posted by: Rafael || 06/09/2004 0:55 Comments || Top||

#6  France, Britain and Germany - no word from Russia the country that most matters in this situation.
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/09/2004 2:58 Comments || Top||


State Department response to Syrian Overture
excerpted from State Department Daily Press Briefing.
QUESTION: Yesterday, the Syrian Foreign Minister, Farouk Shara, issued a statement appealing to the United States for open talks at his level to resolve what are misunderstanding. Have you received anything formally or can you tell us anything about that?

MR. ERELI: Well, this gets to the whole question about dialogue. And I think that, you know, we have an Ambassador there. We have made clear through our Ambassador what our position is on the outstanding issues between our government and the Government of Syria. Secretary Powell made those positions clear in May of last year. Assistant Secretary Burns has been to Syria a number of times.

So I guess the point here is that the issue doesn’t seem to be so much one of dialogue as so much -- as more -- as, rather, one of, "Is anybody listening?"
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/08/2004 2:59:36 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Is anybody listening?"

What?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/08/2004 10:35 Comments || Top||

#2  It may be an Overture, but it's only in B-flat!

Posted by: BigEd || 06/08/2004 11:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Did somebody say something?
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/08/2004 14:14 Comments || Top||

#4  Huh?
Posted by: Quana || 06/08/2004 14:54 Comments || Top||

#5  Remarkably candid and unnuanced for a State Department comment. My guess is that Bashir Assad is trying to figure how to funnel some of Saddam's hidden accounts into the Kerry campaign before it's too late.
Posted by: RWV || 06/08/2004 16:12 Comments || Top||

#6  Had to go check the text for myself to see if you actually just forgot to highlight a RB comment. But he REALLY did say that!

heh, heh. "Candid" is much too kind. More like flipped him off in diplo-speak.
Posted by: B || 06/08/2004 17:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Where's the RantBurg Town Band Meistro? What is this Syrian Overture?

Maybe something by I. Kant Copeland
Posted by: Shipman || 06/08/2004 18:28 Comments || Top||

#8  "What is this Syrian Overture?"

Something similar to the Libyan Line-O-Death Overture, except played in the key of B-2 rather than F-18? Both works end with a final movement that resolves itself into B-Flattened.
Posted by: SteveS || 06/08/2004 20:15 Comments || Top||


Israel Fires On Beirut Base
Israeli warplanes today fired four missiles at what Israel describes as a Palestinian guerrilla base south of Beirut. A Lebanese security source says the attack on Naameh village aimed at an area in which a radical Damascus-based group, the People’s Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command, has a large base. A Palestinian source says there were no casualties as the base was abandoned some time ago.
It's certainly been abandoned now.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 06/08/2004 12:29:00 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Every schoolboy knows that Zionist entity attacks always result in heavy deathtolls of school children and baby ducklings...
Posted by: borgboy || 06/08/2004 2:13 Comments || Top||

#2  "The Zionist entity"?

The only ones which use that term are scumbag terrorists and their sellout supporters ...right Mr Jihad?
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 06/08/2004 2:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Mark--

Don't forget Antisemite, who is genuinely the dumbest troll in the history of Rantburg.
Posted by: BMN || 06/08/2004 9:25 Comments || Top||

#4  Ala Monty Python...
"People’s Front for the Liberation of Palestine, he said derisively. That's him, over there. We're the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, me 'n Reg here. And, BTW, what have the Romans Israelis Syrians ever done for us, huh?"
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 9:30 Comments || Top||

#5  Don't forget Antisemite, who is genuinely the dumbest troll in the history of Rantburg.

Sniff. Buck you BMN.
Posted by: AntiPasto || 06/08/2004 18:30 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Government releases Maulana Ilyas Kashmiri
The authorities released on Tuesday Maulana Ilyas Kahsmiri, chief of the Harkatul Jihad Islami 313 Brigade, after six-months of detention and questioning. “The government finally give a clean chit to Maulana Kashmiri after six months of questioning and released him after it failed to find any proof of his involvement in the suicide attack on President General Pervez Musharraf,” sources said.
"Youse got nuttin' on me, coppers! Da witnesses is all dead!"
“Intelligence agencies detained him to verify his involvement in the suicide attack on the president in Rawalpindi on December 25, 2003,” sources said. They said another reason for Kashmiri’s arrest was the doubts that intelligence agencies had that he had links with Al Qaeda. “But no evidence was found of his involvement in any terrorist activity or his links with Al Qaeda,” sources said.
Posted by: Fred || 06/08/2004 9:27:50 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A clean chit? So can he advance to GO and get $200?
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/08/2004 21:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Would a mullah get a holy chit?
Posted by: Anonymous5168 || 06/08/2004 22:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Would a mullah get a holy chit?
Posted by: Anonymous5168 || 06/08/2004 22:02 Comments || Top||

#4  a clean chit can only be arrived at by a suitable diet - per Muck4Doo
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 22:32 Comments || Top||


‘Mufti Shamzai was warned by the tribal militants’
Militants had warned Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai not to come to South Waziristan on a government-sponsored peace mission in the area, sources told Daily Times. “Shamzai’s visit to South Waziristan was scheduled for June 1, two days after his assassination,” said a religious leader on condition of anonymity. Shamzai also persuaded Tehrik Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi (TNSM) workers to end their protest when they blocked the Karakorom Highway in October 2001. Certain jihadi outfits were unhappy with Shamzai playing the role of a peacemaker and he had come in for a lot of criticism from them.

Sources said that Shamzai was held in the highest esteem by jihadi circles despite opposition to his role in ending TNSM workers’ protest. He exercised great influence on the tribal areas’ jihadi forces as well as Arabs supposed to hiding in the tribal areas. “When the military operation started in the tribal areas, Shamzai contacted the jihadi leadership including Nek Muhammad and advised them to find a political solution to the dispute, but Nek opposed the idea,” the source said. Another religious leader said that Nek had written Shamzai a letter, expressing reservations on Shamzai’s plan to broker a deal. Nek wrote that his influence over tribesmen would benefit the government instead of tribal people. The source said militants had warned Shamzai not to come to the area and that they would resolve the crisis independently.
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Yargulkhels asked to surrender Nek and group within 24 hours
South Waziristan Agency’s political administration on Tuesday asked the Yargulkhel sub-tribe to produce four men including Nek Muhammad within 24 hours or face punishment as the house-to-house search for foreign militants entered the second day in Shakai without any results. Nek Muhammad and his group were earlier wanted by the government but later pardoned under the Shakai deal with the military on April 24. The notice to the Yargulkhels did not state the charges on which the government had asked for the surrender of Nek Muhammad, Haji Sharif, Maulvi Noor Islam and Maulvi Abdul Aziz. However, it did not ask the sub-tribe to produce Maulvi Abbas, also a Nek Muhammad supporter.

Punishment included the demolition of shops and other commercial interests belonging to the Yargulkhels, which were excluded from the Ahmedzai Wazir-led tribal lashkar (army) that continued searching houses suspected of sheltering foreign militants in Shakai. The political administration’s notice stated, “The four men should be surrendered to the authorities unconditionally and within 24 hours.” The demand for Nek and his group’s surrender surprised many people but analysts said the move was aimed at clearing a way for “serious action” against the Yargulkhels for expressing their inability to take on the foreign militants.

Tuesday’s notice signalled the end of the short-lived deal that both sides had hailed, but which had changed little in South Waziristan Agency. Meanwhile, the search for foreign militants in Shakai produced what the government wanted, “tangible results”. A tribal elder who returned from Shakai told Daily Times that dozens of houses of the Khunyakhel sub-tribe were searched but no foreign militants were found. A tribal journalist who had also returned from Shakai said the lashkar faced resistance for the first time when the Sperkai sub-tribe told a jirga on Tuesday that it would decide whether or not to let the lashkar demolish two of its (Sperkai sub-tribe) houses that were suspected of sheltering foreign militants.
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Five Afghan terrorists arrested
Officials of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) and the Multan Police on Monday night raided a small hotel in the city’s red-light area and arrested five Afghan nationals who have confessed to being involved in bomb blasts in Karachi, Quetta, and Lahore.
"Yeah, we dunnit. Wouldja put the pliers away now?"
“On a tip-off, a team of Intelligence Bureau and Police officials arrested five Afghan terrorists including their leader Jafar Khan from an inn on Monday night and seized a large number of hand grenades, rockets and other weapons from them,” said an intelligence officer. The official also disclosed that the group had been staying at the inn for over a month, and were involved in more than 150 robberies.
In a month? Holdups musta been a full-time job. It'd be easier to get jobs...
Declining to disclose identities of the arrested men, District Police Officer Multan Hamid Mukhtar Gondal said “We arrested the terrorists from a hotel owned by an Afghan named Juma Gul and seized modern weapons from their possession. We are confident they were planning terrorist activities in the southern region on a large scale. Initially, their headquarters were in Lahore, but once two of their accomplices were arrested there, these men shifted to Multan.” He added that the men had been shifted to Lahore for further investigations, and that they had confessed to more than 150 robberies, besides sexually assaulting women in various cities of Punjab and Sindh.
"Mahmoud, I'm tired of holding up liquor stores. Let's go out and sexually molest some wimmin!"
Posted by: Fred || 06/08/2004 8:09:06 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq-Jordan
U.S. Forces Free Hostages in Baghdad Raid
U.S. special forces freed four hostages in a raid Tuesday after staking out their captors' hideout for a day — the first military rescue of foreigners caught up in Iraq's wave of kidnappings. But there was no word on the fate of a U.S. soldier held hostage and two other Americans missing since an attack on a fuel convoy nearly two months ago. The raid ended the ordeal of a Pole kidnapped last week and three Italian security guards abducted in April whose co-worker was brutally slain. But Iraq's string of abductions showed no sign of abating. Gunmen disclosed they had kidnapped seven Turkish citizens who they said were working with the Americans. They showed some of their captives to reporters and released videotape of the others. More than 40 people from several countries have been abducted in Iraq since April. Many have been released. At least two have been killed by their captors. About 20 are still being held, said Andrew White, an Anglican cleric acting as a negotiator. But freeing the hostages is becoming a more difficult since some may have been sold by their captors to anti-U.S. militants, said White, the Mideast envoy of the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Posted by: Fred || 06/08/2004 7:52:15 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The raid ended the ordeal of a Pole kidnapped last week and three Italian security guards abducted in April whose co-worker was brutally slain.

One can only ponder whether 500,000 Italians will publicly gather and give thanks that our brave warriors risked life and limb to prevent their fellow countrymen from suffering the same fate as Fabrizio Quattrocchi.
Posted by: Zenster || 06/08/2004 20:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Zen, Unlikely as a high percentage of patriots have jobs.
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/09/2004 2:56 Comments || Top||


Caucasus
Caucasus Corpse Count
Officials in Chechnya said today that at least 10 Russian servicemen and eight militants have died in several clashes. An official in the Moscow-backed Chechen administration told Associated Press that six servicemen died in attacks on Russian outposts, and another three were killed in an ambush on their vehicle over the past day. Also, a policeman died and five were wounded in a clash in Grozny. Colonel Ilya Shabalkin, a spokesman for the military forces in Chechnya, said that eight separatist fighters have been killed in Russian raids over the past day. The Chechen official said some 180 people were detained on suspicion of rebel links in the latest Russian raids.
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Africa: Subsaharan
South African passports sold to al-Qaeda
Members of al-Qaeda arrested with copies of South African passports must have bought the documents from corrupt home affairs officials, Home Affairs Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula said on Tuesday. Last month police commissioner Jackie Selebi said arrests made in South Africa five days before the elections had led to the arrests of al-Qaeda suspects internationally. "In part of this operation, in London, the British police found boxes and boxes of South African passports in the home of one of these people... ," Selebi told parliament’s portfolio committee on safety and security last month. On Tuesday, Mapisa-Nqakula told MPs: "A few weeks ago members of al-Qaeda were arrested with our passports. A member of the department must have sold them those passports. It must have been a syndicate... we are trying to break these syndicates. "We are working with safety and security, police and the Scorpions to rid our department of them." She confirmed there was corruption in her department. "I am sure that the department of home affairs is the lead department in corruption. If there is an illegal immigrant scam or a marriage scam, then the department must be involved. "You read every month about the arrests going on... we are doing something about it." She said most arrests were a result of investigations started by the department’s anti-corruption unit and then taken over by police.
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Israel-Palestine
Palestinian aid crisis unresolved
Donor countries have promised not to abandon the Palestinian refugees, but a two-day conference in Geneva has ended without a major aid boost. A further $10m (£5.5m) was raised - small compared with the $196m requested by the UN Relief and Works Agency last year just for its emergency fund. "This is just a continuing band-aid on the festering self-inflicted bedsore that is Palestine wound," said Unrwa chief Peter Hansen, pointing to donor fatigue. Unrwa fed 130,000 refugees in 2000, but now 1.1 million require its aid due to Saddam being deposed and the choking off of other terrorist financial aid pipelines. Mr Hansen said "there can be no humanitarian solutions to this crisis, there can only be political solutions". The US is the largest contributor to the agency, and its donations have kept pace. But those of European countries and other donors have been declining in recent years.
Wow! Europe contributes less to their own favorite cause than America does. Now there’s a shocker!

Welfare suffers
But never the UN leadership.
The conference was attended by 70 countries and 30 organisations.
12 course haute cuisine menu to follow.
Refugees - a thorny issue
Unrwa urged them to give more to the 4.1 million Palestinian refugees in the occupied territories, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. Unrwa has seen a drop in funding from $200 a year for each refugee to $70.
Costly investigative research budgets and incredibly liberal per diem allowances have still provided insufficient motivation for UN operatives to uncover whether this has anything to do with how Palestinian terrorists have alienated every aid donor with an IQ above room temperature (as measured in Centigrade).
On Monday, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan said it would be "tragic and worrying" if Unrwa’s work could not continue.
What’s really "tragic and worrying" is that Kofi Annan continues to consume vital oxygen supplies rightfully belonging to those who make more constructive contributions to world society like, for instance, ticks and leeches.
"We are already seeing the consequences of underfunding ... in overcrowded classrooms and clinics, and in decaying Unrwa infrastructure," he said in a message to the conference. "There is real concern that if these trends continue, the key human development strengths of the Palestine refugee population will begin to unravel."
Exactly according to Israel’s plans.
In the same period, the number of Palestinians living below the poverty line had tripled from 20% to 60%, with an increasing reliance on Unrwa’s health services.
Exactly according to Yasser Arafat’s plans.

Frustrations
US Assistant Secretary of State Arthur Dewey urged donors to "do their share".
--2003 CASH SHORTFALL--
EXPRESSED IN ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNTS
Planned budget - $321
Actual budget - $310
Planned Emergency Fund - $196
Actual Emergency Fund - $93
"This cannot continue, donors must restore previous levels of assistance so that Arafat’s 401Ks the appeals are fully funded as they were initially," he said. Some donor countries have been frustrated to see their aid projects being destroyed by the conflict, the BBC’s Imogen Foulkes reports from Geneva.
Gotta find all those tunnels.
Sweden’s representative at the conference, Thomas Hammarberg, said they did not want any more goat sex to throw good money after bad. "There is a donor fatigue when it comes to Arafat’s incessant embezzlement the Palestinian refugees on all sides, frankly," he said. "I mean the real reason, of course, is that there is no solution to the conflict that kisses Palestinian @ss without enraging the Israelis and Arafat makes d@mn sure those who suffer from that are the refugees and not himself."
Posted by: Zenster || 06/08/2004 3:44:32 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  At least the Swedes have it right!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 06/08/2004 16:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Donor fatigue will continue to accelerate. As the Swedes say, why throw good money after bad? The Palestinians are a write-off. They are not self-sufficient and probably can't become so for at least a generation. For the past 50 years, all they've done is seethe, live off the kindness of strangers, and reproduce like rabbits. When animal populations in the wild exceed the carrying capacity of the land, famine and disease will thin the herd. I think I hear the hoofbeats of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse headed north from Zimbabwe to Gaza and the West Bank. To say these people are refugees implies that they have a right to return to the land that has been Israel since 1947 - not likely to happen unless someone exterminates the Jews (could be UN policy if not for the US,UK, and Australia).
Posted by: RWV || 06/08/2004 16:38 Comments || Top||

#3  The Euro's are donating less because their economies are hurting and spending on voters takes precedence over everything else.The other source of major funding is Saudis and they are in survival mode right now.Income is down,unemployment is up,and the princes are not about to give their money to someone who can't help them.(I still think Saudi dumping of Euro is indication the princes are getting worried,and want to make sure US will help them find safe asylum if they have to flee.)
Posted by: Stephen || 06/08/2004 17:08 Comments || Top||

#4  "the key human development strengths of the Palestine refugee population"

What the hell does that even mean? Does it mean starvation, or does it mean that UNRWA can't afford to print any more anti-Semitic textbooks for Palestinian schools? Or does it mean that they're going to have to start laying off "ambulance drivers", and the terrorists will have to catch their own rides out of the next firefight?
Posted by: Mitch H. || 06/08/2004 18:00 Comments || Top||

#5  well that $3 per bullet expense would go along way to ending overcrowding in the classroom...but then that would mean actually doing something for themselves instead of crying about being a victim
Posted by: Dan || 06/08/2004 18:22 Comments || Top||


Hizbollah Attacks Israeli Posts in Shebaa Farms
Lebanon’s Hizbollah guerrillas attacked Israeli positions in the disputed Shebaa Farms area Tuesday, one day after Israeli warplanes raided a Palestinian base near Beirut.
begging for their turn in the barrel
Israeli military sources in Jerusalem said one Israeli soldier was lightly wounded in the attack involving anti-tank missiles and mortar shells. Residents in Kfar Shouba village on Lebanon’s border with Israel said Israel responded with artillery fire on nearby villages. Israeli warplanes also flew over the area and were fired on by Hizbollah guerrillas using shoulder-mounted anti-aircraft missiles, witnesses said.
and they hit nada
Hizbollah said it was retaliating for an Israeli attack deep inside Lebanese soil Monday, itself a response to rocket fire at an Israeli navy ship in the Mediterranean earlier that day. "Responding to the recent Israeli attacks, Hizbollah attacked two enemy Israeli positions at 3.05 p.m. (1205 GMT)," the Iranian and Syrian-backed group said in a statement.

Despite the violence, the head of Israel’s northern command, said Israel did not want a flare-up with Lebanon. "We have no interest in escalation; we want the north to remain quiet. On the other hand, we cannot allow (the peace) to be broken," Maj. Gen. Gaby Ashkenazy told Israel radio. Hizbollah, which controls the Lebanese border area with Israel, says Shebaa Farms is occupied Lebanese territory, while the United Nations describes it as Israeli-occupied Syrian land. An Israeli military source confirmed Israeli positions were attacked with anti-tank missiles and mortar shells. "There was an attack on several IDF (Israeli army) posts in the area of Har Dov. We are still checking the situation," one source said.
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 2:57:22 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "We have no interest in escalation; we want the north to remain quiet. On the other hand, we cannot allow (the peace) to be broken," Maj. Gen. Gaby Ashkenazy told Israel radio.

snicker. translation: it's not our wish to have to spank you.
Posted by: B || 06/08/2004 15:28 Comments || Top||

#2  We have no interest in escalation; we want the north to remain quiet. On the other hand, we cannot allow (the peace) to be broken," Maj. Gen. Gaby Ashkenazy told Israel radio

He said while deftly crushing a cockroach with his left pointy toed boot.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/08/2004 18:26 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Zarqawi’s a master of disguise
Abu Musab Zarqawi, the al Qaeda-linked terrorist who orchestrates murder and mayhem in Iraq, is so secretive even some operatives who work with him do not know his identity.
"Who is that masked man?"
Zarqawi, whose videotaped beheading of American Nicholas Berg further defined the chief U.S. enemy, is a master of disguise and bogus identification papers. It is likely he has been within eyesight of coalition authorities — and not recognized.
He's only got one leg, that should narrow things down.
This is the profile drawn by military sources of the most sought-after fugitive in Iraq. Zarqawi may be bin Laden’s best weapon in preventing Iraq from becoming a moderate Arab state that leads the region away from the kind of radical Islam taught by the al Qaeda leader. "All the Marines have a picture of him, and he is our high-value target," said a Marine officer in Iraq. "The problem is that there is no identification system, so it is not out of the ordinary for a target to not have an ID or several IDs with different names. It really is the Wild West. He could easily be moving from town to town using several different names and appearances. "I doubt the cells he operates with know who he is and that there is a $10 million award for him." Added a defense official, "He relies upon trusted associates, hand-delivered communications and other things." The official declined to elaborate. When Iraqi and foreign insurgents sprung an uprising in the frontier town of Fallujah in early April, coalition officials in Baghdad quickly got intelligence clues that Zarqawi himself was in the city. The Washington Times reported May 4 that the military was no longer getting indications that Zarqawi was in Fallujah. If he was ever there, he had left, military sources said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 06/08/2004 9:18:56 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Check that guy in the turtle suit..."
Posted by: mojo || 06/08/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#2  *chuckle* Does Dana Carvey get a nickle for that reference? :)
Posted by: eLarson || 06/08/2004 10:54 Comments || Top||

#3  I thought there were some doubts about whether he lost the leg...maybe some disinformation by the bad guys?
Posted by: Anonymous5163 || 06/08/2004 11:07 Comments || Top||

#4  He is a regular Inspector Clouseau. All you have to do is watch for a guy checking into a hotel asking, "Do you have reeuuuuum?" The other tip-off is Cato will hauling the bombs bags.
Posted by: Zpaz || 06/08/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#5  Zpaz : Perhaps you suggest that Zarqawi is referencing the following page when going in public in Baghdad?

Clouseau's Disguise Page
Posted by: BigEd || 06/08/2004 11:25 Comments || Top||

#6  Ahhhhh a zimmer
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||

#7  LOL, BigEd. That page gets a bookmark. My vote is for the Toulouse Letrec disguise. It comes with its very own bumb.
Posted by: Zpaz || 06/08/2004 12:08 Comments || Top||

#8  Alan Arkin as Clouseau? That's just plain damn wrong. Hollywood.
Posted by: Zpaz || 06/08/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#9  Thanks for the site Big-ed

From the quotes-page:

"Madame, that is by far the ugliest nose I have ever seen and I compliment you on it, it suits you!"

I had completely forgotten about that one.

Posted by: Evert V. in NL || 06/08/2004 14:29 Comments || Top||


Two Suicide Car Bombings in Northern Iraq Kill 14 Iraqis and One U.S. Soldier
Two car bombs shook the northern Iraqi cities of Baqouba and Mosul (another ’oil’ target) on Tuesday, killing at least 14 Iraqis and one U.S. soldier. At least 126 people were wounded, including 10 U.S. soldiers. The first blast occurred outside forward operating base War Horse, a U.S. outpost at the former al-Faris air force base 30 miles north of Baghdad. "At rush hour, a suicide bomber blew up his Mitsubishi," said Iraqi police Second Lt. Ali Hussein. "The blast led to huge damage.
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State Dept clarifies Sadr Status - No Change
excerpted from State Dept Daily Press Briefing Adam Ereli, Deputy Spokesman
QUESTION: What about Moqtada al-Sadr’s militia not being entered in what is the presumed announcement of outlawing independent militia is going to do with that?

MR. ERELI: It is clear that Moqtada al-Sadr, in a number of ways, is operating outside the law. There are, I think, there have been discussions between Moqtada al-Sadr and (inaudible) or Shiite notables in Iraq, in effort to remove his militia from government offices, have them lay down their arms and have those elements of the -- of Sadr’s militia who have been accused and indicted of crimes answer for their crimes.

That is a process that is ongoing, that has, I think, produced some important and welcome developments. But, obviously, there is a legal regime that applies to these militias, that outlaws these militias, that proscribes their activities and I think it is fair to say that we and the Iraqi government would expect these militias to adhere to the law.

Yes, Said.

QUESTION: Adam, would you concur that, at least for the time being until the transfer occurs, there is no intention by American forces to move militarily against the Sadr militia, perhaps, waiting for the interim government to do so?

MR. ERELI: I’m not going to speak to military operations. We’ve made it clear that we are going to respect Islamic holy sites. I think that’s in sharp contrast to the actions of the outlaw groups who continue to use mosques and other holy sites as ammunition storage places, firing on troops from those areas. We are going to continue to respect those sites and to work with our Iraqi friends and local authorities to bring about a peaceful application of justice.

Yes, Nadia.

QUESTION: Can you just remind us of the US position regarding, Moqtada al-Sadr, himself? Do we still want to arrest him or kill him?

And, secondly, the date for that was reset for this dismantling of the militias was set as 2005. What do you think of the date? Is this too late for incorporating 100,000 people into the Iraqi army?


MR. ERELI: Our position on Moqtada al-Sadr hasn’t changed. And it is our view that Moqtada al-Sadr -- and is a subject of Iraqi law and should be -- should -- that law should be applied to him as well as to any other Iraqi citizen who has been accused of violating the law. As far as the date for integration of the militias, this is something that has been worked out between and among the Iraqis themselves. It is an agreement that we endorse that we think argues well for the future of Iraq and that’s my comment.

QUESTION: Sir, I just want to clarify is what do you mean by "is a subject of Iraqi law?" What does -- does that mean that the U.S. military does not have -- if they arrest him -- or can they arrest him or kill him, or does that mean that the Iraqi only can arrest him and detain him?

MR. ERELI: Iraqi -- the Iraqi judge has issued a warrant for Moqtada al-Sadr’s arrest. Moqtada al-Sadr is, like any other Iraqi citizen, is expected to be held accountable to Iraqi law and Iraqi institutions. And we will support the application of Iraqi justice.

Yes, Joel.

QUESTION: It appears that this particular cleric, al-Sadr, is trying to gain political influence. Do you expect that the new interim government and governments beyond would completely exclude him for any political type function in the country?

MR. ERELI: I can’t speak for decisions that Iraqis may or may not make when they are sovereign. I think that it’s been clearly demonstrated by the actions and words and decisions of Iraq’s notables that Moqtada al-Sadr is a renegade.
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Kenan Makiya screwed by Bremer, out of money
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IWPR: Kurds hint at Independence
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/08/2004 03:02 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is like protesting a 'strike' call on the corner so the next corner call will be called a 'ball'.
Posted by: mhw || 06/08/2004 10:45 Comments || Top||

#2  A simple but perplexing question-why aren't we more supportive of the Kurds? Of the Shia, Sunni & Kurds, aren't they-
The most reasonable?
The least zealous?
The most grateful, therefore the most willing to build bridges?
Posted by: jules 187 || 06/08/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||

#3  Iraqi Kurdish leaders have hinted to George Bush that they may push for an independent Kurdistan after Washington denied their community a leading role in Iraq’s newly formed transitional government,“We were ... bitterly disappointed when your special representative advised us that a Kurd could be neither Prime Minister nor President of Iraq,” Barzani and Talabani told the US president. “We were told that these positions must go to a Shiite Arab and Sunni Arab respectively.” ...They also observe that “in contrast to the Arab areas of Iraq, no coalition soldier has been killed in the area controlled by the Kurdistan Regional Government”
It's hard to argue with someone who is right.
Posted by: RWV || 06/08/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#4  Divide and Conquer makes things easier. If we overtly favored the Kurds now the Sunni and Shia might put aside their differences and go against us. We'd have to let the Kurds get brutal if we expected Iraq to stay a single country.

If we don't expect Iraq to stay as a single country lots of things fall into place and an independent Kurdistan can be used to harrass both Iran and Syria (and potentially Turkey but they are our friend).
Posted by: Yank || 06/08/2004 12:26 Comments || Top||

#5  muRAT --all i can hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Posted by: Dan || 06/08/2004 13:08 Comments || Top||

#6  If we overtly favored the Kurds now the Sunni and Shia might put aside their differences and go against us
But, but...I thought that the Shiites as well as the Kurds have wanted independence from the get go. That leaves the Sunnis, who cannot be pacified with any perk. Sunnis have been "going against us" from Day 1 and more recently the Sunnis even got the Shiites riled up and united against us.

As I've always said, I think the way Bremer and the WH have treated the Kurds has been shameful. It's rarely that you even hear the good news coming from Kurdistan, and puhlease don't say it's the fault of MSM.

The US takes the calmness and co-operation of the Kurds for granted and seems to work harder for the "hard to get" losers in Sunni/Shiite Iraq.

While it's true that not one GI has been killed in Kurdistan it's not because the Kurds have not had their chances. The US has only 300 troops patrolling Kurdistan, whereas it has over 130,000 troops in Sunni/Shiite Iraq and inspite of this, over 800 GI's have been murdered and mutilated in Sunni/Shiite Iraq. How is it that the Kurds have been able to keep "evil doers" out of their neighborhoods but alas, Sunnis and Shiites have not? Are borders porous only in Sunni/Shiite Iraq?

I think it's shameful that the US does not reward the Kurds for being consistent allies-we sure don't have any problems for rewarding half-hat alies like Egypt and Jordan, to name a few, so what's the problem with the Kurds? Bremer[the WH] isn't even staying neutral-the Kurds are being PENALIZED for being our allies. To be told that a Kurd will not be a PM or Premier is nasty. What's the point of being an ally? It looks like the US rewards "bad boys" who delight in blowing up or maiming and mutilating our GI's.

Also, the Kurd's ancestoral home, which Uncle Saddam violently wrenched from the Kurds is sitting on billions of $ of black gold. Why does Bremer think the Kurds should share the revenues with the Sunnis who tried to snuff them from the face of this earth just a mere 15 years ago?

Turkey may be the silent hand in this game of cards, but if the WH trusts Turkey even one percent after what how Turkey sabotaged our military positioning for the Iraq War, they are stupid. Turkey would screw us again in a heart beat. The current PM used to be considered a Sunni patriot, until he bought a new moderate wardrobe.
Posted by: rex || 06/08/2004 13:33 Comments || Top||

#7  This is par for the course at State: Screw over your real friends in the quest to be accepted and loved by your enemies. Definite sign of psycosis.

Yes, Turkey is our friend, but truth be told, the thought of doing something to piss off Murat IS delicious sounding. Counterproductive, yes, but very tempting.
Posted by: Ptah || 06/08/2004 13:52 Comments || Top||

#8  Ptah- yes it is tempting to piss of muRAT - but all said Turkey is a friend (even with muRAT) with a long history of mil/pol support..let's remember the vote to allow passage of the 4thID was only a coupld of votes off..but just can't resist pissing off muRAT
Posted by: Dan || 06/08/2004 14:46 Comments || Top||

#9  ¿dónde está el Murat?
Posted by: ----------<<<<- || 06/08/2004 15:10 Comments || Top||

#10  lets see - Iraq has a Kurd as VP, a Kurd as FM, and Kurd as Deputy PM for National Security. and the new PM has worked with the Kurdish groups for years, IIUC. Id say the Kurdish position is strong. Naturally the still want the TAL, or similar guarantees. I think theyll get them, in some form. If they do, theyre better off in a federal Iraq, than independent, and surrounded by wolves, waiting for the moment the US turns its back to pounce.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/08/2004 15:40 Comments || Top||

#11  Hey, what's that smell? That sweet, springlike odor of freedom?
Ah, Nationalism is in the air!
Posted by: Anonymous5167 || 06/08/2004 17:07 Comments || Top||

#12  The Kurds have been through hell, by Saddam and those they thought they could count on before.

It's time for a Kurdistan (not a Commiestan)and if the Turks do not like it, Syrians, or the Iranians, they can all pound sand.(there is enough of it around)
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 06/08/2004 20:17 Comments || Top||


Gen.: Troops in Iraq Now Have Body Armor
Now? Why were these not supplied long before?? So many of our boys could have been saved. Something is wrong here.
The Army’s top supply commander said Monday that all American troops in Iraq are now equipped with bullet-resistant vests, after a shortage that led many soldiers to pay for costly body armor themselves. As late as March, some soldiers headed for Iraq were still buying their own body armor, despite assurances from the military that the equipment would be available before they were in harm’s way. Gen. Paul Kern, commander of the Army Material Command, said the shortage eased after manufacturers stepped up production of the lifesaving vests. Kern spoke at a news conference where Honeywell Specialty Materials announced it would increase production of Spectra fiber, a key component of the vests. He said the vests had saved dozens of soldiers who were shot at close range. Kern recalled that troops in Vietnam had to be ordered to wear cumbersome flak jackets. "You don’t have to discipline them to put on protective gear today," he said. "They are looking for it." Last October, it was reported that nearly one-quarter of American troops serving in Iraq did not have ceramic-plated body armor, which uses four-pound armor plates to stop bullets and shrapnel.
The vests can cost several thousand dollars each. (How much is the life of an American serving in Iraq?)
Every one had vests, they just didn't have the very latest model.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 06/08/2004 4:10:04 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I think a number of troops who were designated for admin and medical work were provided with alternate equipment.

Some of those troops were then rotated into combat support and provided the vests but until they had the vests they were nervous about it.
Posted by: mhw || 06/08/2004 10:50 Comments || Top||

#2  It had nothing to do with cost. It was a pure supply problem. The company producing them could not produce them fast enough. By the way, we have our Congress to thank for this cluster-fuck. They always put these stupid little riders in legislation that go something like military must buy XXX product from YYY producer (always in the state of the senator writing the rider), oh and YYY producer maintains no liability for quality or schedule. Congress sucks. Now I don't know if this particular case was caused by a rider in legislation, but I would be suprised if it was not.
Posted by: AllahHateMe || 06/08/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#3  It also has to do with a change in procedure. At first, only infantry and combat troops were slated for the vests. A change was made that would give all troops the vests, but that effectively (what?) tripled or more the demand. In addition, the light weight ceramic plates require a more extensive QA process, as you might expect, than the older, heavier plates. Ballistic ceramics are not easy to manufacture as compare to dinner plates or toilets.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 06/08/2004 11:05 Comments || Top||

#4  I wonder if they're still modifying the vests to have Shoulder Pads?

There was a doctor in the field that noticed several of the injuries were in the shoulder/neck area and jimmy-rigged some vests to have armored shoulder pads.

Anybody else hear about this?
Posted by: Anonymous4021 || 06/08/2004 11:35 Comments || Top||

#5  The Interceptor vests we wore over there had extra pieces that covered our neck and groin, but we never wore them for mobilities' sake. The new vests work great with the plates in them, I never heard of any troops getting did by direct fire whilst wearing them. I did lose 2 good friends to the old style flak jacket, though. (God Bless you Matt and David)
Posted by: Bodyguard || 06/08/2004 13:27 Comments || Top||

#6  The problem with the vests is that the Government would not guarantee a large enough order for the manufacturer to justify hiring extra help.

I know this, because the ballistic armor is being made in my town, Vidalia Georgia, and this was news in the local paper.
Posted by: Ptah || 06/08/2004 13:41 Comments || Top||

#7  All hail Vidalia, home of what we are fighting for.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/08/2004 18:11 Comments || Top||

#8  Bodyguard: Thanks for the info, and especially for your service and sacrifice. We are all in your debt, and all the more so to Matt and David. May God Bless them and give peace to you and to their families.
Posted by: cingold || 06/08/2004 19:42 Comments || Top||

#9  Guess Halliburton didn't get their payoff soon enough
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 06/09/2004 0:38 Comments || Top||

#10  Ptah--so blame the gov't-- which is run by the GOP and George Bush--logic sez they killed our soldiers since they were too busy cutting taxs for the rich while denying our soldiers body armor
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 06/09/2004 0:42 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
’They came at dawn and killed the men’
For hundreds of thousands of refugees like Souad Omar Mousa the rain that fell yesterday in the Darfur region of Sudan is something to dread. "If I was in my village, I would welcome it," she said. "But here we are exposed." Home for Mrs Mousa is now the Kalma camp, near Nyala, one of hundreds scattered throughout Darfur. Refugees live under straw matting or in the open. In what the United Nations describes as the world’s worst humanitarian disaster, the arrival of the rains means that life for the refugees will become even more grim and the death toll will almost certainly rise. About 30,000 are estimated to have been killed in the last year, victims of a government-armed militia that has terrorised and destroyed villages throughout Darfur, where 1.2 million have been displaced, with a further 100,000 taking refuge in neighbouring Chad. A UN official who has travelled extensively throughout the region said yesterday: "If you go 1,000km from here to Chad you will not see a single village intact."

During a three-hour flight over Darfur, hundreds of blackened and scorched villages were starkly visible against the red desert. Mrs Mousa walked for three days to reach Kalma after the Janjaweed militia attacked her village, Shatee, west of the Mara mountains, two months ago. "They came at dawn, at 4am. They came on horses, donkeys, camels and Land Cruisers. They burnt the houses and killed the men and many of the male children. I don’t know if my husband is alive or dead." She fled with her four sons and three daughters, but one of her children, Omar Abdul Rahin, seven, died on the way.

The refugees claim the government is engaged in ethnic cleansing, using the Arab Janjaweed to force out black Africans. The Sudanese government denies the charge and blames rebel forces rather than the militia. The government has allowed few journalists into Darfur to see what is happening. Kalma is one of the better camps because of the presence of Médecins sans FrontiÚres, the international medical relief charity. But the death toll is still very high, way above what aid agencies regard as crisis point. There are about 10 deaths a day, most of them children. Tom Quinn, the MSF medical team leader in the camp, said he went to five graveyards ringing the camp last week and counted 131 mounds of earth, gauging the size of the body by the length of the mound. "Of the 131, only 13 were adults," he said. There was a desperate need for aid, especially plastic sheeting to provide some protection from the rain. He complained of obstruction by the government, saying that 30 tonnes of medicine has been lying at Port Sudan since early May. The rain, he added, was another concern: "This whole area will be flooded." Even if the camp survived there would be pollution, malnutrition and disease.

A British delegation led by the international development secretary, Hilary Benn, yesterday had a confrontation with the governor of South Darfur, General Hamid Mussa, who insisted that the instability in the region should be blamed mainly on rebel forces. Mr Benn questioned him about allegations that the government had provided the militia with weapons. One of Gen Mussa’s ministers replied that weapons were readily available throughout Sudan because of wars in neighbouring countries.

The camps throughout Darfur range from places like Kalma, which at least has medical facilities, to Meshtel in the north of the country in which refugees are living in the open and are forcibly removed at frequent intervals by the government. Meshtel is beside a river which will almost certainly flood when the rains arrive. The refugees arriving at all the camps tell of fresh attacks. Aisha Yunis Suleiman, 35, reached the Kalma camp five days ago from Mugdi. She said her village had suffered an aerial bombardment in which her husband had been killed and that the militia had gone into the village immediately afterwards. Asked who had been responsible she said: "The government." She would only return to the village "when it is secure". Mrs Mousa too will not go back until she is sure there is peace. She was prepared to risk the devastation and possible death from the rains because, she said: "There is a bigger risk of dying in the village."
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 06/08/2004 3:19:52 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  More evidence that Islamicists imagine themselves to be God--deciding who will live and who will die. And isn't the silence from the Arab world on this Islamist genocide deafening?
Posted by: jules 187 || 06/08/2004 9:43 Comments || Top||

#2  "They came at dawn, at 4am. They came on horses, donkeys, camels and Land Cruisers. They burnt the houses and killed the men and many of the male children. I don’t know if my husband is alive or dead."

Well Thank GOD they did not have to wear a bag or woman's panties over their head! I mean we have to have our priorities!

Jules, Isn't the near silence from the major media outlets about this race-based [the victims are mostly muslim -- but black as opposed to the arab muslim militia] genocide defening?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/08/2004 9:52 Comments || Top||

#3  You bet, CrazyFool. They are self-blinkered.
Posted by: jules 187 || 06/08/2004 10:02 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't recall ever hearing anything from the Arab-Muslim world against racism. For those who have lived in the Middle East, what is your take on racism there?
Posted by: jules 187 || 06/08/2004 10:04 Comments || Top||

#5  racism in the arab world? impossible - they believe in the religion of peace..remember??
Posted by: Dan || 06/08/2004 10:39 Comments || Top||

#6  Yes, but like I said yesterday, there is no cry of outrage from the black leadership in the US either. You would think they would be screaming about this from the rooftops. But there is only silence. Maybe they don't want to piss off the brothers who are Muslim. Beats me, but it is a shame. There are members of this community who can get the cameras rolling and fast to seriously up the pressure on the State Dept/UN. They ought to do something.
Posted by: remote man || 06/08/2004 12:25 Comments || Top||


Africa: Horn
State Depart responds to WaPo’s Sudan Characterization
excepted from State Department Daily Press Brief.
QUESTION: I was going to ask a question about Darfur, on Sudan. The Post editorializes this morning in The Washington Post that the Administration has shrunk from pressuring the central government on Darfur because of the interest in getting a north-south deal, and that, essentially, in a best-case scenario now there could be hundreds of thousands of death because of the lack of access.

MR. ERELI: I guess there’s just no -- you know, you can write that, you can write something like that, if you ignore everything we’ve done on this issue. I mean, we’ve got -- it was because of our pressure, I think, that humanitarian workers have been allowed into Darfur. Look at the briefing Andrew Natsios gave, where he said, quite frankly, we’re doing this briefing to raise the pressure on the Sudanese Government because they’re keeping people out of Darfur, and then, lo and behold, people got into Darfur.

Who led the charge or who led the effort to get a ceasefire in Darfur? Who brought the issue to the UN? Who marshaled an international effort in Geneva and with the EU in Chad to bring attention to this issue? Who has contributed more in terms of humanitarian assistance to Darfur than any other country?

So you can say we’re -- you can suggest that somehow we’re backing off from taking a strong stand or exercising every diplomatic tool at our disposal on behalf of the crisis in Darfur, but I think you’d have to ignore all the actions we’ve taken that suggest the contrary.

QUESTION: What about --

QUESTION: Any reaction --

QUESTION: I’m sorry. What about the idea of a full-scale UN resolution? We’ve had a briefing and a president’s statement.

MR. ERELI: You know, there have been -- there have been those suggestions, but they -- until now, I think they’ve been in the realm of the general and the theoretical, as opposed to the specific.

The focus really now is on getting -- doing the assessments and getting the aid to the people who need it. I think, in that regard, I would say that the ceasefire, the AU cease -- the African Union Ceasefire Commission is setting up operations in Darfur’s largest city today. They are working with the Government of Sudan to make it ready for a monitoring team to come into place, and we expect the monitoring team to begin its mission shortly.

QUESTION: Adam, any reaction to reports that some UN humanitarian aid workers were kidnapped over the weekend by rebel groups out of Darfur?

MR. ERELI: Yeah. I would note that on Friday, the Sudan Liberation Army detained 16 United Nations and nongovernmental organization workers. These were workers conducting an assessment mission. They were released on Sunday, and all of them were healthy and not harmed.

I think that it did not, I think, affect in any significant way the United Nations relief operations there. They were temporarily halted, but have now almost resumed full activities.

QUESTION: So you’re saying all’s well that ends well is fine?

MR. ERELI: Well, I don’t have a lot of, frankly, facts about the circumstances of the detention, and I would hesitate to call it -- I’m not sure I would call it kidnapping, but I can’t speak to the details of the detention. All I can tell you is that they have been released, they are well, and activities are resuming.

QUESTION: The fact that they were detained, the fact that there was a detention, isn’t that already a problem if they’re hindering humanitarian aid workers? And are you looking into it? Is the United States taking any kind of stand on this?

MR. ERELI: I think that we are working with the United Nations. We have people there. Our aim is to facilitate the delivery of humanitarian assistance, and that involves, I think, constant coordination among the different actors there -- NGOs, UN, American, as well as the Government of Sudan, as well as the rebels, as well as the Jingaweits. It’s a complicated situation. Everybody’s got different -- not everybody, but there are several different agendas at work here. And I think that we are consistently and constantly increasing the level of activity and the margin for maneuver that we have, and that those are positive developments.

That said, it remains a unsettled and dangerous place, and that’s why it’s all the more important that monitors be deployed there in number quickly so that we can have greater clarity on what’s going on and steps can be taken to ensure the smooth flow of aid.

Yes, Joel.

QUESTION: Change of subject. This --

QUESTION: Sorry, can I follow up on Darfur? You just outlined U.S. policy in Darfur as if it was a little crisis. I mean, people are not shy to call what’s happening there as a genocide. And this is what you have given us as a response. I mean, do you -- just imagine if a million people were made homeless, hundreds of thousands were killed in Europe, that the U.S. will have this kind of reaction? I mean, why can’t it just propose something to the UN to stop the killing in the first place?

MR. ERELI: First of all, I would take issue with the word "genocide." We have made it clear and I think the international community has made it clear that this is a situation of ethnic cleansing. We have also made it clear that we believe that it is a humanitarian crisis. And we have also, I think, been at the forefront of international efforts to address this crisis.

So I take strong issue with your suggestion that somehow there is a double standard and if it were anywhere else we would be doing more. I think we are doing a lot. We have been consistently outspoken about this issue. We are active diplomatically and, in terms of humanitarian assistance, in addressing it. It is a conflict that is -- that has gone on for far too long and that is creating significant human suffering. And it is something that we have said we are committed to working with our international partners to end, but it is not something that you can just walk in and solve overnight.

QUESTION: Would you agree that some people criticize the U.S. position that you could not be taking a harder position with the Khartoum government because you were worried that that might jeopardize the peace-signing process in Naivasha?

MR. ERELI: I just answered that question. I just answered that question. And one thing I didn’t say is we have made it very clear, to those who would suggest that we are somehow coddling the Government of Sudan in order to get a Naivasha deal, the Secretary has been very outspoken. And he has said the United States cannot have normal relations with Sudan as long as the situation in Darfur persists. So irrespective of the Naivasha accords, this -- we have made it clear that this is -- this is a problem that needs to be resolved and needs to be acted on in order for us to be able to have normal relations with Sudan.
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/08/2004 2:56:17 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  First of all, I would take issue with the word "genocide." We have made it clear and I think the international community has made it clear that this is a situation of ethnic cleansing.

And the difference is, what, exactly?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/08/2004 9:53 Comments || Top||

#2  I really, "fooking" hate the State Department. With unbound passion.
Posted by: Sorge || 06/08/2004 10:10 Comments || Top||

#3  "Genocide" is of course the magic word, requiring action on the part of UN governments. Hence, we will never hear it again. Anybody who saw the Frontline show about Rwanda recently will confirm that the dancing around the word "genocide" by a State Dept. Equivocation Specialist at a press conference was extremely disturbing. They love to talk, but when push comes to shove they have no answers. And doesn't push nearly always come to shove?
Posted by: Jeff Brokaw || 06/08/2004 11:58 Comments || Top||

#4  And the difference is, what, exactly?
It's easier to wash your hands of it with Ethnic Cleanser.
Posted by: ed || 06/08/2004 12:04 Comments || Top||

#5  MR. ERELI: I guess there’s just no -- you know, you can write that, you can write something like that, if you ignore everything we’ve done on this issue. I mean, we’ve got -- it was because of our pressure, I think, that humanitarian workers have been allowed into Darfur. Look at the briefing Andrew Natsios gave, where he said, quite frankly, we’re doing this briefing to raise the pressure on the Sudanese Government because they’re keeping people out of Darfur, and then, lo and behold, people got into Darfur.

Who led the charge or who led the effort to get a ceasefire in Darfur? Who brought the issue to the UN? Who marshaled an international effort in Geneva and with the EU in Chad to bring attention to this issue? Who has contributed more in terms of humanitarian assistance to Darfur than any other country?

So you can say we’re -- you can suggest that somehow we’re backing off from taking a strong stand or exercising every diplomatic tool at our disposal on behalf of the crisis in Darfur, but I think you’d have to ignore all the actions we’ve taken that suggest the contrary.


I would match what'we've done against what the UN and EU have done, and we're engaged elsewhere as well. Same thing with Haiti.
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/08/2004 13:34 Comments || Top||

#6  Righto SH
Posted by: Michael || 06/08/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#7  I think Genocide is the deliberate murder of an ethnic group while 'Ethnic Cleansing' is the forced removal of an ethnic group from an area. But I may be wrong.

Of course that is a fine line. I would call what is happening in Sudan 'Genocide' since they are killing all the men and raping every FEMALE (weather a young child/girl or woman) they can get their hands on (thus making them mostly spoiled for marriage/childbearing accoring to Islamic custom....). It amounts to the same thing.

As I recall after WW2 the 'Comfort Women' were shunned by their villages/towns when they returned because they were 'spoiled'. Very few married and fewer had children (sometimes because of inability or disease).

You might say Sudan is using Genocide to implement 'Ethinc Cleansing'.

I agree with you SH, where the hell is the United Nations and European Union on this? Out back counting their oil-for-palaces money?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/08/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

#8  I posted a link to a transcript to an address that Rumsfeld made last weekend speech. The Q&A ws especially excellent. Here is a Rumsfeld answer to a question about coalitions of the willing and unwilling kind:

"I guess I’m not surprised that the world is evolving the way it’s evolving. There are a lot of hopes that the United Nations, for example, would solve the problems of the world. Let’s take a recent one that’s kind of isolated and we can look at it in a microcosm. Take Haiti. Haiti’s got lots of troubles and it was in duress and there were riots and they needed help. The United Nations wasn’t ready to help. It did not have the ability to step in fast and do something about that.
So the United States agreed to help form a coalition of the willing, to use your term – not a coalition of the reluctant – and four or five countries, God bless them, stepped up and put troops in and helped to stabilize the situation and reduce the number of deaths that might have occurred and reduce the humanitarian disaster that might have occurred, and worked with the United Nations to get the United Nations to fashion a resolution where they would then follow on and put a UN force in there to succeed that coalition of the willing. That is now happening this week. Months later, many months later. But thank goodness that the countries that agreed to go in and help out at the outset, a coalition of the willing, did it, stabilized the situation, created an environment that’s hospitable for the United Nations force to take its time, fashion a new coalition, blue hat them, I guess, send them in there as they’re just starting to go in to take over that responsibility."


I understand his message to be that the US is more willing than most, particulaly post-9/11.
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/08/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#9  Would some RBurgers please slap together a position paper and bring State up to speed?
Posted by: Shipman || 06/08/2004 17:38 Comments || Top||

#10  A pointless endevour,Ship.
Posted by: Raptor || 06/08/2004 17:57 Comments || Top||

#11  I fear you are correct Raptor.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/08/2004 19:15 Comments || Top||

#12  Well, you know, semantics are semantics.
And dead is dead.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/08/2004 21:45 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Taliban deny planning suicide attacks on NGOs
The Taleban on Tuesday denied Pakistani government warnings that it was plotting to blow up Western aid workers in southwest Pakistan using suicide bombers, the Afghan Islamic Press reported. “The Taleban have no plan about any operation in Pakistan. If we want to launch suicide attacks, we will do it in Afghanistan, on American forces,” Taleban spokesman Mufti Latifullah Hakimi told the private Pakistan-based newsagency via satellite phone from an undisclosed location in Afghanistan. The Taleban spokesman disowned Ishaqzai, saying no man of such a name was known to them.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 06/08/2004 9:10:37 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Gotcha. Attacks on NGOs will be ad hoc, then.
Posted by: eLarson || 06/08/2004 10:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Sure. Why kill yourself against people without any guns when you can mow them down at your leisure?
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/08/2004 21:42 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Italian Hostages in Iraq Freed
Fox News; EFL.
Three Italian hostages who have been held in Iraq for almost two months were freed and are in good condition, the Italian Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday. The men, all working as private guards in the country, were captured April 12 along with a fourth colleague. That man, Fabrizio Quattrocchi, was executed shortly after, and a tape of the killing was released. . . . An Iraqi armed group calling itself the Green Brigade had said it was behind the abductions.
Posted by: Mike || 06/08/2004 8:56:23 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They prolly owe their lives to Fabrizio - his defiance boomeranged the entire tenor of coverage. The asshats had nothing to gain from killing any more of them - and the new Iraqi Gov't prolly hasn't made things look promising for the asshat industry, either. Time to cut them loose. I am very happy for them - and hope their families didn't embarrass them in negotiations. Fabrizio set the bar pretty phreakin' high.
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 9:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Fabrizio was a brave dude. But, if you're gonna go, then cursing defiance is the best way out. I believe you're right about that act saving the other three lives. RIP
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 9:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Three Italians kidnapped in Iraq almost two months ago have been rescued in a mission by military special forces, Italian and Polish officials say. A Polish man abducted a week ago was also released. All four men are said to be in good health. The Italians were captured on 12 April with a compatriot, Fabrizio Quattrocchi, who was killed soon after and a tape of his killing released. Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said the hostages were released in a joint operation in southern Baghdad by Italian and other forces using "detailed intelligence".
There was no bloodshed, and the former hostages were on their way to the airport to be flown back to Italy on Wednesday.


It wasn't a release, it was a rescue. Well done, Italian and forces to be named later.
Posted by: Steve || 06/08/2004 10:42 Comments || Top||

#4  ROME – Special forces from the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq raided a hide-out south of Baghdad Tuesday and freed three Italian hostages held for almost two months and a Pole abducted last week, Italian officials said. Berlusconi said forces had identified the location where the hostages had been held several days ago and had considered approaching local religious authorities to help win their freedom.
But the forces took advantage of a window of opportunity on Tuesday and launched an operation to free them. He gave no details on the operation.

Hummmm, sounds like they had the place under observation and went in when their guards where out to lunch?
Posted by: Steve || 06/08/2004 11:11 Comments || Top||

#5  .com, Frank G, et al

I think the defiance of Quattrocchi really had the Qada rag'eds spooked.

I can just hear the guards talking amongst themselves, "He's an infidel. He's not supposed to say that. The Imam told us that only Moslems have courage!"

The Qada cell leader now has a few less guards, since either they were killed when the Italian Special Forces intervened, or they were executed for "non-performance".

Posted by: BigEd || 06/08/2004 11:46 Comments || Top||

#6  I made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
Posted by: Don Corleone || 06/08/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||

#7  Fox now has a more complete account posted.

Good job, Special Forces guys!
Posted by: Mike || 06/08/2004 13:06 Comments || Top||

#8  Exactly, Big Ed: Quattrocchi was one hell of a dude whose defiance flew in the face of accepted Islamist doctrine. Al Jizz was so shaken, they refused to air the tape, calling it too horrid to air. They made a big show of their "concern" for the sensibilities of their audience, but it was clear that Quattrocchi had planted a big boot firmly in the face of Islamist doctine.

May he rest in peace. I certainly hope he and the Gipper are hoisting some cold ones in the Far Country....
Posted by: Ptah || 06/08/2004 13:47 Comments || Top||

#9  Ptah: I suspect it's a nice Chianti, but other than that minor point, I think you're right.
Posted by: Mike || 06/08/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#10  Well, well - Fox certainly did update the story. I consider it excellent news that they were rescued - making the kidnappers look even more incompetant and stupid is good - take all the wind out of their sick sails. Italians will be proud and happy!

Il più eccellente!
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 17:07 Comments || Top||

#11  U.S. special forces freed four hostages

Ehmm. It was a combined operation involving American, Polish and possibly other coalition special forces. You guys are good, but give credit where credit is due.
Posted by: Rafael || 06/08/2004 18:50 Comments || Top||

#12  From CNN:
The operation, led by Polish and U.S. special forces, took place after an intensive intelligence investigation, Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said.

More details will be known in the next few days.
Posted by: ed || 06/08/2004 18:59 Comments || Top||

#13  Rafael - other members of the "False Coalition" or "The Coalition of the Bribed"?

J F'n Kerry
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 19:12 Comments || Top||

#14  No worries Guyz! "Mission Accomplished according to the idiot/smirking chimp in Chief!"
Posted by: Not Mike Moore || 06/09/2004 0:45 Comments || Top||

#15  Was it a really warm handshake last night NMM? Kinda tought in tar heel land for the progressive types isn't it? Don't worry make you can find some hippie love in the big protests in August.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/09/2004 9:27 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Peace rally slams attacks in Karachi
Some 5,000 peace activists, including women, rallied in Karachi on Sunday to denounce a series of terror attacks that has claimed at least 50 lives last month, witnesses said. Chanting “No to terrorism, yes to peace”, and “No to guns, yes to pens”, marchers carrying banners, placards and national flags paraded in the streets. Governor Ishratul Ibad, Chief Minister Ali Mohammad Mahar and city Nazim Naimatullah Khan spearheaded the peace rally. “The people of Karachi want peace, economic prosperity. We will not allow terrorism in the name of Islam,” Mr Ibad told participants.
"We'll only allow it in the name of... ummm... something else."
The rally started from Shara-e-Quaideen Chowk and ended at the gate of Quaid-s Mausoleum where the governor, the chief minister and the nazim addressed the marchers before offering fateha for victims of the recent terrorist acts in Karachi. The rally was attended by people from all walks of life including prominent businessmen, industrialists, artists, social workers, students, non-governmental organisations, members of the Sindh cabinet, Sindh Assembly, National Assembly and Senate. Police had shut down roads leading to the mausoleum and traffic was diverted to Khuda Dad Chowk. Governor Ibad addressed the rally and renewed his pledge to revive the true spirit and charms of the city by uniting Karachiites. The governor said the terrorists had only succeeded in temporarily disturbing Karachi’s peace. “We, the people of Karachi, will foil their conspiracy and eliminate them in the long run,” he added.
"How long a run?"
"'Bout 8,000 years, I think."
He said the terrorists neither belonged to Karachi nor to Sindh. They were not Pakistanis and could not be Muslims, as a Muslim could not kill other Muslims, splutter; he added. He also said the Sindh government had restored peace in the city. He asked the business community to remain united and promote their businesses. agencies
Posted by: tipper || 06/08/2004 5:40:48 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ok,who is plagerising whom.Gentle or Ibad?
Posted by: Raptor || 06/08/2004 7:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Chanting “No to terrorism, yes to peace”,

FINALLY Muslims are carrying their own weight in this fight.

He said the terrorists...were not Pakistanis and could not be Muslims, as a Muslim could not kill other Muslims


Uh, scratch my first comment.
Posted by: jules 187 || 06/08/2004 9:33 Comments || Top||

#3  They were not Pakistanis and could not be Muslims, as a Muslim could not kill other Muslims, he added.

Sometimes ya gotta wonder which way these Muslims have their heads screwed on. Talk about being disconnected from reality...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/08/2004 10:47 Comments || Top||

#4  So when they see the same people in the mosque, what do they call them if not Muslim?
Posted by: eLarson || 06/08/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#5  i think they call them "hey, you"
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/08/2004 13:36 Comments || Top||

#6  i think they call them "hey, you"
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/08/2004 13:36 Comments || Top||

#7  "Yo! You with the turban!"
Posted by: Fred || 06/08/2004 20:10 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Iraq-U.N. Deal Expected to Be Accepted
The United States appeared to win important French and German approval Monday for a resolution on Iraq that will confer legitimacy on the interim government taking over from the U.S.-led occupation. U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte said he expects the Security Council to approve the U.S.-British resolution on Tuesday afternoon, and council diplomats said the vote could be unanimous. "We think this is an excellent resolution," Negroponte said. It marks "the fact that Iraq is entering into a new political phase, one where it is reasserting its full sovereignty." The draft resolution - revised four times over the past two weeks - also marks an end to the occupation and partly defines the relationship between the new government and the U.S.-led multinational force. Key elements are how much authority the Iraqi leadership will have over its own armed forces and whether it will have a say in U.S.-led military operations.
And since the interim gummint will be "sovereign", it will be free to alter the relationship as it wishes. Expect the weasels not to fare well.
A last-minute addition Monday by the United States and Britain on Iraq's "security partnership" with U.S.-led forces was the key compromise. France's U.N. Ambassador Jean-Marc de La Sabliere said "there are a lot of improvements" and "the text is going in the right direction now." "I think we have reached a stage where the resolution has a very good text," Germany's U.N. Ambassador Gunter Pleuger said. "My feeling is we have found a compromise." France wanted the resolution to state clearly that Iraq's interim government will have authority over its armed forces, that Iraqi forces can refuse to take part in operations by the multinational force, and that the new government could veto "sensitive offensive operations" by the U.S.-led force. The draft sent to the 15-member Security Council earlier Monday did not include any of these proposals. But the United States and Britain revised the draft to address the relationship between the international force that will provide security and the government that will assume power on June 30. The text now welcomes the exchange of letters between Iraq's new prime minister and Secretary of State Colin Powell and their pledge to work together to reach agreement on "the full range fundamental security and policy issues, including policy on sensitive offensive operations."
Which means what we and the Iraqis want it to mean.
It also notes "that Iraqi security forces are responsible to appropriate Iraqi ministers, that the government of Iraq has authority to commit Iraqi security forces to the multinational force to engage in operations with it" and that the new security bodies outlined in the letters will be used to reach agreement on military and security issues. The resolution says the interim government will have authority to ask the force to leave, but Iraq's interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi indicated in a letter to Powell that the force will remain at least until an elected transitional government takes power early next year. The latest draft addressed a second issue raised by France, which wanted to ensure that any international assistance to Iraq, including foreign troops, was at the request of the interim government. The new resolution asks U.N. member states and regional and international organizations "to contribute assistance to the multinational force, including military forces, as agreed with the government of Iraq." It added language welcoming the interim government's commitment "to work towards a federal, democratic, pluralist and unified Iraq." It also reaffirmed the right of Iraqis to "exercise full authority and control over their financial and natural resources."
Which doesn't mean what the French hope it means.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/08/2004 12:45:42 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Anti-Christ Watch:
http://www.esquilax.com/baywatch/index.shtml

LOL
Posted by: Dog Bites Trolls || 06/08/2004 2:22 Comments || Top||

#2 
It also reaffirmed the right of Iraqis to "exercise full authority and control over their financial and natural resources."
E.g., default on their Froggie debts ASAP.
Posted by: someone || 06/08/2004 2:23 Comments || Top||

#3  I don't see how the french should be owed anything by Iraq. They did business with sodom, that benefitted only sodom and his pathetic sons. The Iraqi people didn't benefit one iota by any deals between sodom and the cowardly french. They could take sodom to Judge Judy, I guess.
Posted by: Halfass Pete || 06/08/2004 2:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Why do the French diplomats get their rocks off on creating such high-falutin' language in these resolutions that mean absolutely nothing?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 06/08/2004 2:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Nice job, Steve. As one of your pithy comments implied, since Iraq is to be gloriously, finally, fully, openly, multilateraly-institutionally, French-ly, sovereign -- it can proceed to negotiate whatever deal or arrangements it pleases with the US. The status of forces agreement with the interim govt. was always going to be the tricky part of the deal, and that hasn't changed. Though early indications are of an Iraqi interim crew with a clue, and a backbone, which may make it easier.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm so past fed up with the Emperor's New Clothes operation concerning the UN and "international support" in Iraq. All this UNSC nonsense, all the G-8 posturing to come -- has virtually no impact on anything in Iraq. That is entirely the result of US/coalition will and power and sacrifice, and Iraqi behavior (good guys and bad guys), with a dash of foreign intrigue and AQ lunatics thrown in for spice. Since we get about 25 idiotic anti-administration "off the record" comments per week (typically from State and CIA folks who have no business holding adult jobs), is it too much to ask for someone with a clue at the NSC or Pentagon to make some snarky anonymous comments about what an offensive charade this UNSC silliness is and how all that matters is the coalition and its Iraqi allies prevailing in establishing order?
Posted by: Verlaine || 06/08/2004 2:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Q: If the resolution is not passed what changes?

A: Precisely nothing.

That ladies and gentlemen is all you need to know.
Posted by: Phil B || 06/08/2004 3:10 Comments || Top||

#7  Election years are a bitch. So much lip service and attention wasted on such obvious perpetual stupidity - here so clearly personified by the UN-addicted and utterly corrupt sufferers of America-envy.

Willpower, folks, don't fade or falter and try not to snipe - even Powell is playing his part and serves at the President's pleasure. There are a lot of balls in the air and, if we keep our spirit and stay on-course, Phil_B's assertion will prove dead solid perfect. One dump-truck full of Gordian Knots at a time...
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 4:07 Comments || Top||

#8  Generally speaking, a successor government is bound by the predecessor's treaties and contracts, but IIRC there is a doctrine of "odious debt" which allows a liberated country to repudiate the obligations of its deposed tyrant.

On the other hand, if Iraq stiffs the Axis of Weasels, what're they gonna do, mount a punitive expedition? Impose sanctions? Seethe all over the kitchen floor?
Posted by: Mike || 06/08/2004 8:44 Comments || Top||

#9  The resolution is needed in order to let the interim government function with international recognition. For instance, it allows Iraq to seat its new UN representative and to work towards shutting down the Oil for Food scam.
Posted by: rkb || 06/08/2004 9:15 Comments || Top||

#10  This one's for you, DBT.
Posted by: BMN || 06/08/2004 9:23 Comments || Top||

#11  France's U.N. Ambassador Jean-Marc de La Sabliere said "there are a lot of improvements" and "the text is going in the right direction now." "I think we have reached a stage where the resolution has a very good text," Germany's U.N. Ambassador Gunter Pleuger said.

...making the resolution absolutely suspect in my book.
Posted by: jules 187 || 06/08/2004 9:27 Comments || Top||

#12  GWB needs to get over this UN fetish. It's worthless and it's corrupt, and the sooner we wash our hands of that organization, the better.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/08/2004 10:39 Comments || Top||

#13  B-a-r #12: Do you think its Bush's or perhaps Colin Powell's? "No, boss, really. I can do it this time. Trust me..."
Posted by: eLarson || 06/08/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#14  "My feeling is we have found a compromise."

Standby for cutlery in the lumbar.
Posted by: Zpaz || 06/08/2004 11:35 Comments || Top||

#15  "is it too much to ask for someone with a clue at the NSC or Pentagon to make some snarky anonymous comments about what an offensive charade this UNSC silliness is and how all that matters is the coalition and its Iraqi allies prevailing in establishing order?"

Those folks are all too busy getting real work done.
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 06/08/2004 11:58 Comments || Top||

#16  Do you think its Bush's or perhaps Colin Powell's?

Anything Powell tries has to be run by the boss, so as far as I'm concerned, the buck stops with GWB. Powell can be excused simply for being a member of the State Dept., as peaceful diplomacy is usually their tack. But the person in charge needs to put a check on things taken to excess, and constantly trying to get UN approval for everything we do is a fine example of it.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/08/2004 13:04 Comments || Top||

#17  Lets see UN approval buys us
1. More support on the ground in Iraq. Not they love the UN - they dont - but it gives it a legal imprimatur that US will alone doesnt have. Look the left has a point - living under rule by foreigners does require a certain swallowing of pride, even if youre glad the foreigners came - theres less swallowing of pride involved if the interim govt is authorized by the an international body, EVEN if the international body is one whose connivance at the old dictatorship iraqis resent.
2. Easier chance of getting several thousand more third world troops, whose nominal role will be to guard the UN facility in Iraq. Knockem all you want, every little bit helps.
3. More support from NATO etc in training the new Iraqi forces.
4. More pressure to write off Iraqi debts
5. Easier to dismantle oil for food.
6. Easier to apply pressure nations allowing transit of terrorists into Iraq.
7. Eases political pressures on allies - Blair, Berlusconi, Howard.

And it seems to be we didnt give up anything to get this. Win all around. Hats off to Dubya.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/08/2004 13:47 Comments || Top||

#18  1. More support on the ground in Iraq...it gives it a legal imprimatur that US will alone doesnt have...EVEN if the international body is one whose connivance at the old dictatorship iraqis resent.
And why is that? Be careful. Ibsen was right--public opinion can be a very treacherous force to put your faith in.
2. Easier chance of getting several thousand more third world troops, whose nominal role will be to guard the UN facility in Iraq. Knockem all you want, every little bit helps. Ever heard of too many chiefs...and how committed will forces from the third world be when the going gets bloody?
4. More pressure to write off Iraqi debts. That's a pretty big assumption-why do you assume that? Couldn't pressure just as easily be applied to the US to swallow our financial losses and take it on the chin for having the nerve to act preemptively?
5. Easier to dismantle oil for food. How reliable are criminals at policing themselves and how known are Europeans for eliminating handouts?
6. Easier to apply pressure nations allowing transit of terrorists into Iraq. Jury is still out on this one-but I'll cede this point. It's an important one.
Posted by: jules 187 || 06/08/2004 14:51 Comments || Top||

#19  Jules - if we were giving up a lot to get the UNSC resolution Id be concerned with your points. But given that we're NOT, i dont understand them.

It seems pretty clear that having a UNSC res wont HURT us with public opinion in Iraq. It might help, or it might be a zero. 2. The res puts them under our command - and we will use them in ways that fit our strategy, and their reliability. In any case we and the Iraqis can always turn them down - again, having the res can help, but cant hurt. 4. But how does having the Res make that worse - it doesnt. Again, it either helps, or has zero impact. 5. Youre missing the point, the res shifts oil for food to Iraqi control - the ultimate goal is to eliminate it entirely, but we havent reached that yet. Its tied up with certifying Iraq free of WMD.

so in all this is AT worst a political help to Blair, Howard, Berlusconi, (and Bush) at BEST it brings tangible help. Why discount it, other than reflexive UN bashing?
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/08/2004 15:35 Comments || Top||

#20  Liberalhawk-
I guess what I am trying to say about public opinion is that, once you begin down the road of altering your actions based on the reaction of others, whose life, whose beliefs are you living? At what point does concern for public opinion become an obligation to the approval of others? And after that, where does principled action lie?

I think our basic disagreement, Liberalhawk, is on whether the UN has emerged from the Iraq War aftermath as valuable and intact.
Posted by: jules 187 || 06/08/2004 15:48 Comments || Top||

#21  Willpower, folks, don't fade or falter and try not to snipe

amen. Sounds like .com gettnig a second wind. :)
Posted by: Shipman || 06/08/2004 18:23 Comments || Top||


Light posting for awhile...
I changed jobs last week, and my new project's gobbling time at an astounding rate. My posting and comments will be light for awhile, until it's under control. As a graduate of the Evelyn Wood School of Speed Programming, I'm hoping it doesn't take too long, but these things have a habit of growing, so I don't have a time frame. Sorry.

When I'm not working overtime, I'll be cloning our server onto a new, spiffy one, courtesy of dot com, upon whom all thanks. Much more memory, faster processor... Ahhh. The big time!
Posted by: Fred || 06/08/2004 10:21:05 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  For dot-com: three cheers! A very fine thing to do, and with Soodi money no less!
Posted by: Steve White || 06/08/2004 0:47 Comments || Top||

#2  .com, thank you for supporting a forum so dedicated to free speech. I am truly grateful.

Fred, such an apology is beyond has no worth here.

Zenster
Posted by: Zenster || 06/08/2004 2:01 Comments || Top||

#3  .com Akbar.
Posted by: someone || 06/08/2004 2:12 Comments || Top||

#4  RE: comment #3 appropriate but should have been preceeded by keyboard alert. Almond and raisin schrapnel.....

Rantburg---Symbol of Excellence. Many thanks, Fred and .com
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 06/08/2004 2:44 Comments || Top||

#5  Much more memory, faster processor... Ahhh.

Can we know the specs? Or is that classified information?
Posted by: Rafael || 06/08/2004 3:23 Comments || Top||

#6  *embarassed*
Thanks to Fred for the most addictive and informative site on the 'Net, bar none, and for everyone who has and will donate. Imagine a world without RB. Man that just sucks! So let's keep it up - I sure will - and you're right Dr Steve (lol!), I couldn't think of a better way to spend Saoodi money. Fred & RB deserve to be #1!
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 3:51 Comments || Top||

#7  I suppose this is as good a place as any to request one problem you ought to fix when you do have time again. If I am looking at a Page 1 of of a previous day and then click to look at that date's Page 2, your program always sends me to today's Page 2, from where I have to turn back to the desired date.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/08/2004 7:03 Comments || Top||

#8  Mike, thats not a bug, its a feature.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 06/08/2004 7:11 Comments || Top||

#9  Many thanks, .com!
Posted by: Ptah || 06/08/2004 7:38 Comments || Top||

#10  Ahh Rantburg,constantly moving and improving.Gotta luv it.
Posted by: Raptor || 06/08/2004 7:41 Comments || Top||

#11  I knew .com when he was PD....before he hit the bigtime

Gracias .com!
Posted by: Frank G || 06/08/2004 7:46 Comments || Top||

#12  Thanks, .com (The Artist Formerly Known As PD) and thanks again, Fred!

You know, Reagan was the first president to inspire me and help establish my political identity back in the 80's when I was still a teenybopper, and I've been very sad and reflective all week regarding his passing. I'm curious what iterations a site like Rantburg may go through over the next few decades and help other like-minded invididuals the world over sort through the liberal media B.S., share information and insights, and find solace knowing they're not alone--especially for you dear readers living in the People's Republic of Massachusetts or California. Rantburg, in whatever form, could outlast all of us and continue to be a beacon of hope, a port in a storm, and the Mother of All Bulls--t Repellents™ for generations to come!

Vive le Rantburg!
Posted by: Dar || 06/08/2004 8:52 Comments || Top||

#13  Big time is great, but not too big.

I feel like I know most everyone here. If Rantburg gets as big as LGF, I feel like everyone will get lost in the shuffle.

Anyways, good luck with the new job, Fred, and thanks .com (pbuh).
Posted by: growler || 06/08/2004 10:05 Comments || Top||

#14  Are there any other gizmos you need to complete the mothership, Fred? Perhaps one of these. Rantburg could go mobile when the 5th columnists come for our bits and bytes.
Posted by: Zpaz || 06/08/2004 10:41 Comments || Top||

#15  I have some rubber bands if the others are beginning to get worn out.
Posted by: Howard UK || 06/08/2004 10:55 Comments || Top||

#16  Fred and .com, always cloning around!
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 06/08/2004 11:08 Comments || Top||

#17  Thanks dotcom!!! Thats really cool of you.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 06/08/2004 11:21 Comments || Top||

#18  If Dan Darling still has time to post, then so do you, Fred! ;-)

Still holding out hope for a RB hootenanny in Baltimore...or Wheelus!
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/08/2004 11:29 Comments || Top||

#19  Overtaxed servers - Why do they hate us??

Thanks .com and Fred!
Posted by: Doc8404 || 06/08/2004 11:33 Comments || Top||

#20  The new Rantburg: Twice the LLL bashing at twice the speed!

G-d Bless America. And .com.
Posted by: Chris W. || 06/08/2004 12:05 Comments || Top||

#21  And Fred.
Posted by: Chris W. || 06/08/2004 12:06 Comments || Top||

#22  Domo,.com!
Posted by: Pappy || 06/08/2004 12:48 Comments || Top||

#23  all appropriate kavod (honor) to dotcom/pd.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/08/2004 13:34 Comments || Top||

#24  Howard UK: hamsters -- what about spare hamsters?
Posted by: someone || 06/08/2004 13:38 Comments || Top||

#25  good luck you new job fred and thanks .com! :)
now ima have to edit my blog yesterday post include .com in there.
Posted by: muck4doo || 06/08/2004 15:36 Comments || Top||

#26  Major thanks to Fred. Many thanks to .com and all other contributors.

Thanks, also, to the posters here who dig up all these news articles that help me keep up with the modern world (or parts of it, anyway).
Posted by: Quana || 06/08/2004 16:56 Comments || Top||

#27  LOL, Chris W.

Thanks, .com.

Thanks to you too, Fred, for all your work. And good luck in your new job.

(Now if you could just bottle how you manage to find so much time, and sell it, you be rich! :-p)
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/08/2004 16:59 Comments || Top||

#28  Way good news, thanks Fred man .com.

BTW new server going to be a radial or inline?
Posted by: Shipman || 06/08/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#29  I think we'll be able to make up for your absence, Fred; don't worry about us!

Lots of thanks to .com . . . and as soon as I get my first paycheck I'm gonna make a donation; I've been here for free for too long . . .
Posted by: The Doctor || 06/08/2004 19:09 Comments || Top||

#30  ima hear you doctor. im one of po'est peples in texas. soon im have some extra bucks (hopefuly soon) ima need donate to. :)
Posted by: muck4doo || 06/08/2004 19:38 Comments || Top||

#31  Wow, .com, thats awesome. And everybody else here too, esp Fred for starting this place. Every time something happens in the news I come by Rantburg first these days. It's always amazing how much knowledge the people here have, plus there's the whole part where I laugh out loud and have exported things like yelling "Cue the rolling of eyes and seething!" at the TV during the news.

And what growler said, even though I don't say much very often, I read all the time and its gotten to where I feel like I "know" most of the posters here. Except for Boris the Spammin' Wacko everybody is interesting in some way.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 06/08/2004 20:06 Comments || Top||

#32  everybody is interesting in some way

...even Aris ;]
Posted by: Rafael || 06/08/2004 20:12 Comments || Top||

#33  Rafael - you got a woodie for him?
Posted by: .com || 06/08/2004 23:21 Comments || Top||

#34  Thanks, Fred for all you do and best wishes on the new job.
And many thanks to you .com for your generosity.
Posted by: GK || 06/09/2004 0:48 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Most Iraqi militias to lay down arms
Nine Iraqi militias, with more than 100,000 members, agreed Monday to disband in exchange for veterans’ pensions, jobs in Iraq’s new security forces, and other rewards. But the deal to rid the country of independent armed groups did not include Moqtada al-Sadr’s militia, which has caused by far the biggest security problems across Iraq. Announcing the accord, officials of the U.S.-led occupation authority said that any militias that don’t take part will be considered "illegal armed groups" and their members and political leaders will be banned from running for office for three years. Prime Minister Iyad Allawi hailed the agreement as "a watershed in establishing the rule of law," and promised that any militias that choose not to take part in the transition to legal security jobs or civilian life "will be dealt with harshly." Two senior occupation officials said the authority had made no effort to invite Al-Sadr, a radical cleric whose followers are mainly young, urban Shiite Muslims, to join the agreement or even to inform him of the talks they held over the past several months with the other nine militias.

More at link.
Posted by: GK || 06/08/2004 12:23:56 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'm liking this Allawi guy so far.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 06/08/2004 0:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Send these guys hunting Sadr.

A lot of them probably have grudges to settle and would love to have a shot at the Mhadi Militia.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/08/2004 0:41 Comments || Top||

#3  It looks like things are starting to fall into place.
Rush Limbaugh the other day had an article from "Life Magazine 1946" on post WWII Europe on his web site the other day.

It was sKerry to read about how the Euro's were starting to call the Americans "Ugly" back then. 6 months after we liberated them!! Fucking ingrates!! Everybody wanted everything done over night!! What GWB has done in a little over 15 months is just remarkable. Americans free other nations and their peoples and we never get a damn bit of credit for it.
Posted by: Long Hair Republican || 06/08/2004 1:03 Comments || Top||

#4  I hope that things are falling into place. I just trust Sistani as far as I can spit. He still has that little dog al-Sadr mucking about. Everyone is manouvering for position, but Sistani is a weasel and a spoiler. **fingers crossed for good luck**
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 06/08/2004 2:51 Comments || Top||



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