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Kerry sending Florida Bob Graham to Haiti -- he gonna sing to them?......
CLAREMONT, Calif. — Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry asked President Bush on Thursday to name Sen. Bob Graham of Florida as a special envoy to Haiti to help find a political solution to the violence there.

Thanks, Kerry, for letting us know, just how you will handle "problems" around the world. Our military is succeeding because of the training and practice that is so integrated into their beings. This practice, this training, of sending Graham tells us must of how you will react, as the leader of the world. (((Sheezzzzz,,,,, let me take out another bank loan to donate to Bush so this guy doesn’t get a chance to do such dumb stuff. I hope the money wins this election.... It seems our only chance!))

Graham, who plans to endorse Kerry for president in the next week, has been critical of the Bush administration’s handling of the crisis in Haiti, where opposition forces are threatening to overtake the capital and oust President Jean-Bertrand Aristide (search).

"He knows the situation in Haiti extremely well and knows the cost that widespread violence will cause not only in Haiti, but on our shores," Kerry said of his Senate colleague, who abandoned his own Democratic presidential bid last October and has since expressed interest in the No. 2 spot on the ticket.

Graham, 67, called this week for a police force — either U.S. or multinational — to restore order in the Caribbean country. His spokesman, Paul Anderson, said the senator would be willing to serve as an envoy if Bush asks him
Posted by: Just Me || 02/26/2004 11:33:05 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Bob Graham's diary:

2/27/04 - 7:15-35 am - Woke up, urinated, showered and brushed and flossed teeth.

7:35-55 am - Ate breakfast (bran flakes, OJ and english muffin)

7:55-8 am - Moved bowels (darn that bran works fast!)

8-8:10 am - President Bush called (at my good friend John Kerry's request) and asked if I would serve as his special envoy to Haiti. Despite the fact that I previously suggested that he be impeached, I accepted his offer because I think it's the right thing to do. He suggested that I meet with an NSC staffer and the Central and Latin American rep. from State Monday at 7:30 am. I agree to do so, even though Monday is Sausage and Egg McMuffin day. Perhaps I will eat two on Tuesday.

8:10-15 am - Another BM. Is it nerves over going to Haiti or the bran?

8:15-30 am - Spoke to my good friend John Kerry to tell him of President Bush's call. I had to cut the call short during his congratulations for another BM. What do they put in those bran flakes anyway?

8:30-9:00 - On the bowl. Good thing I brought my copy of Vanity Fair in with me. Graydon Carter sure is angry at President Bush.

9-9:45 am - Spoke to staffers to let them know about my appointment. Asked Mary to work with State on travel and security arrangements.

9:45-10 am - Watched my good friend John Kerry on CNN. That Paula Zahn is a tough interviewer, but my good friend John Kerry handled her well. Paula is easy on the eyes, too. I shouldn't have written that.

10-10:10 am - Another G** D*** BM! Took some Pepto Bismol. The shade of pink is sickening, but somehow mesmerizing. I wonder what color it is in my stomach.

10:10-11 am - Nap time. More later.

(To be continued)
Posted by: Tibor || 02/27/2004 0:05 Comments || Top||

#2  LOL! Hilarious, Tibor you have Governor Jello down pat.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/27/2004 7:06 Comments || Top||


Bugging UN chief ’a tradition’, says former boss
An article that indicates Kofi’s outrage is somewhere between disengenous and a fradulent payback against Blair and the UK.
Bugging the United Nations secretary-general at his offices and home is a "tradition", former UN chief Boutros Boutros Ghali said today amid uproar over claims that Britain had bugged Kofi Annan during the run-up to the Iraq war last year. Boutros Ghali, who held the top UN job from 1992 to 1996, told the BBC those countries with the technical ability to carry out the bugging had long done so. Clare Short, international development secretary in British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s cabinet until she resigned in protest of the war, said today that she had read transcripts of Annan’s conversations. Blair termed her remarks "totally irresponsible" but refused to say whether they were true or not. The UN Secretary-General’s chief spokesman Fred Eckhard said today that Kofi Annan would be disappointed if Ms Short’s allegations proved true. "We want this action to stop if indeed it has been carried out. It undermines the secretary-general’s conduct of business with other leaders. It is therefore not good for the United Nations’ work and it is illegal," Eckhard told reporters.
Two questions: 1. Exactly what is the law that has been broken? 2. Why does the UN need to have secrets?
Posted by: phil_b || 02/26/2004 9:15:23 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Crap, I hope they weren't watching while I was opening my Oil for Food checks."
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/26/2004 21:24 Comments || Top||

#2  WR - God, if we could only read THOSE transcripts!
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 21:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Not sure the UK broke a UK law. The US isn't allowed by law to spy on people within it's borders but that can't apply to the UK. But them i am not High Lord to the Court or even a lawyer.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 02/26/2004 21:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Oh and I always thought that the UN was so keen on respecting the "traditions" of other countries? Arab stonings, Iraqi shreddings, Chinese infanticides and the like? So if the Brits like to bug everyone, that's not ok???
Posted by: True German Ally || 02/26/2004 22:08 Comments || Top||


Rosie O’Donnell Weds Longtime Girlfriend
Warning: Attention Whore ahead.
Rosie O’Donnell who is alledged to be a woman married her longtime girlfriend Thursday, taking what she called a proud stand for gay civil rights in the city where more than 3,300 other same-sex couples have tied the knot since Feb. 12. "I want to thank the city of San Francisco for this amazing stance the mayor has taken for all the people here, not just us but all the thousands and thousands of loving, law-abiding couples," the former talk show host, holding a large bouquet of purple and yellow flowers, said after she and Kelli Carpenter emerged from their brief ceremony inside Mayor Gavin Newsom’s office. Earlier Thursday, O’Donnell announced her wedding plans on ABC’s "Good Morning America," just two days after President Bush called for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. "I think the actions of the president are, in my opinion, the most vile and hateful words ever spoken by a sitting president,"
Lets hear it for Bush!
O’Donnell, who lives in the New York City region, said on the program. "I am stunned and I’m horrified. "I find this proposed amendment very, very, very, very shocking. And immoral.
Well... Rosie is an expert on ’shocking and immoral’ behavior....
And, you know, if civil disobedience is the way to go about change, then I think a lot of people will be going to San Francisco. And I hope they put more people on the steps to marry as many people as show up. And I hope everyone shows up." O’Donnell and Carpenter, who have four children together,
WTF??? Which one contributed the sperm?
walked hand in hand down the grand marble staircase in the rotunda to thunderous applause from hundreds of spectators who came to witness the city’s first celebrity same-sex wedding. O’Donnell was wearing a powder-blue blazer, black shirt and black pants; Carpenter wore a gray pantsuit.
At least we know who wears the pants in that family.....
O’Donnell said she decided to marry Carpenter, a former dancer and marketing director at Nickelodeon, during her recent trial in New York over the now-defunct Rosie magazine. During the case, she referred to Carpenter as her wife. "We applied for spousal privilege and were denied it by the state. As a result, everything that I said to Kelli, every letter that I wrote her, every e-mail, every correspondence and conversation was entered into the record," O’Donnell said. "After the trial, I am now and will forever be a total proponent of gay marriage."
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/26/2004 7:30:43 PM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Rosie's next job: Spokeshole for Snap-On Tools, which apparently include turkey basters for impregnation
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 19:36 Comments || Top||

#2  Lezzie jokes are too easy and I have great lezzie friends so let's really get down to what matters: This woman Rosie is a fuggin' moron!
Bush's words are "the most vile & hurtful" spoken by a President? What did her Democratic heroes like JFK have to say about women? FDR on Japanese? Woodrow Wilson on African-Americans? The Democrats INVENTED Jim Crow, for crying out loud!!!

C'mon America. Give her another talk show and replenish the millions of dollars she blew on Boy George's show by being a vile and hateful Broadway producer that everyone who worked for hated.
Posted by: JDB || 02/26/2004 19:50 Comments || Top||

#3  I'm suprised she didn't marry herself.
Posted by: Charles || 02/26/2004 20:07 Comments || Top||

#4  "After the trial, I am now and will forever be a total proponent of gay marriage."

Wonder how she'll feel about gay divorce? Will her lawyers pull the "it really wasn't legally recognized" defense to keep her from getting cleaned out? That's what I'm waiting on in this thing. And this bitch's ego is so big, I'm betting it'll happen sooner then later.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 20:14 Comments || Top||

#5  On "The Man Show", they went to a Lesbian pride parade and asked 30 lesbians if they would want to sleep with Rosie. Not a single one would. Evidentally, Rosie isn't attractive to most Lesbians; who knew.
Posted by: mhw || 02/26/2004 20:57 Comments || Top||

#6  Gay activist know that if they face the American people they cannot win the marriage issue. Thirty eight states including California have legislatively moved to ban gay marriage. Which is exactly the number of states required for a the constitutional ammendment. Eighty-four senators (including Sen Kerry) and 385(?) congressmen do not want to explain their support for Defence of Marriage Act in an election year.

But judges can do the math as well. They can see that GW, Congress, and the States could actually make the ammendment pass. The Mass Supremes might have their decision sidetracked, and Calif courts might have to address instead of ignoring the law.

So the liberal talking heads and activist gays are trying to trash Bush by turning the conversation around. This debate is no longer about gays, it is all about the terrible cowboy Bush who allows GIs to die in Iraq, allows companys to export jobs, worries about steroids in sports....Gay marriage is akin to Voyage to Mars (sic), no big deal, GW just wasting our time on subject of no import.

You watch how quickly the subject changes when any politician, candidate is asked for his opinion on gay marriage.
Posted by: john || 02/26/2004 21:07 Comments || Top||

#7  Will Rosie be a big proponent of moving the marriage goalposts if the new Mrs Odonnell decides to marry another man or woman while she is still married to Rosie? Since plural marriage has more historical precedent than gay marraige, on what grounds could she protest?

Congratulations Mrs&Mrs Odonnell, you've now ensured that you must file your taxes jointly and thus ensures that they will pay more in taxes, short of that, your 'rights' have changed not a jot.
Posted by: Frank Martin || 02/26/2004 21:09 Comments || Top||

#8  Let me add that I'm not as turned off by Lesbians, except when one is so butch (and bitchy as Rosie)...in fact, if they're hot....
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 21:32 Comments || Top||

#9  WTF? You mean Rosie is not a man? You coulda fooled me!
Posted by: Denny || 02/26/2004 21:51 Comments || Top||

#10  I was confused about the rotunda part. Rosie has a marble staircase?
Posted by: Rawsnacks || 02/26/2004 22:36 Comments || Top||

#11  What if Rosie and Kelli decide to marry Ellen Degenerate? Shouldn't that be legal, too? Heck, we can even throw in Martina Navratilova. Might as well make it a foursome...What's wrong with four??
Posted by: anymouse || 02/26/2004 22:55 Comments || Top||

#12  anymouse, Add a cow and a sow (female pig) in there too... We dont want PETA to get upset....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/26/2004 23:20 Comments || Top||

#13  Was Rosie in China last month?
Posted by: GK || 02/26/2004 23:20 Comments || Top||


NY Times sez Kerry’ s Our Boy
The New York Times has endorsed John-Pierre Kerry in the Democratic presidential primary, saying the Massachusetts senator "exudes maturity and depth."
I was worried. Thinking maybe the NY Times would ruin my summer’s fun.
"What his critics see as an inability to take strong, clear positions seems to us to reflect his appreciation that life is not simple," the newspaper said in Thursday editions.
Nice spin, almost as funny as Kerry’s positions.
The Times said Kerry’s rival, North Carolina Sen. John Edwards has campaigned well and cited his ability to relate to people. But the newspaper said said Edwards has less experience in public office. Of Edwards, the Times said, "It’s easy to envision him as the nominee four or eight years down the line, or on the ticket for vice president this fall."
We hereby coronate Kerry 2004’s Presidential Loser...
The newspaper said Kerry does not easily fit the mold of a "typical Massachusetts liberal" and that his positions "come from mainstream American thought, centrism of the old school."
Huh?
"He is a gun owner and hunter who supports effective gun control laws, a combat veteran who, having seen a great deal of death, opposes capital punishment," the Times said.
At least his consistency is inconsistency.
The newspaper also cited Kerry’s strong record on the environment and concerns about budget deficits, as well as his campaign’s comeback after an early fall.
Wait a minue... Didn’t he tell the Teamsters he would drill the living hell out of Alaska?
The Times said Edwards’s supporters have charged that Kerry "is on the wrong side of a charm chasm." But the newspaper said Kerry has "warmed up a good deal since the campaign began."
Nothing compared to the heat waiting for him this summer.
"In the television era, likablility is extremely important," the Times said. "But this is a serious business, and Mr. Kerry, the more experienced and knowledgable candidate, gets our endorsement."
2004 is gonna be soo much fun!
Democrats in 10 states, including New York, vote in the March 2 Super Tuesday primary.
Kerry is a commie sympathizer in the clothing of a statesman. Bye bye baby. You are going down hard.
Posted by: badanov || 02/26/2004 7:11:16 PM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Times is a birdcage liner, their credibility was shot long ago. They publish a story nearly everyday that gets refuted on some sharpies blog somewhere. One of my neighbors is a retired sports editor for them, he is one of the most leftist wack jobs I have ever come in contact with. Nice old duffer - except for the tinfoil hat.
I hope Kerry gets smoked in November. That guys got so much baggage it ought to be a cakewalk for GW. Not that my vote will matter, my states electoral votes go automatically for the democratic nominee.
Lots of dense people in the most densely populated state.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 02/26/2004 21:22 Comments || Top||


Hugh Hewitt interviews Condoleeza Rice on the WoT
Transcript of the interview broadcast on today’s show; go read it all.
Hewitt: Dr. Rice, let’s talk a little politics. Last time we actually spoke on this show was the Fall of 2000. You were advisor to then candidate Governor George Bush, now he’s the President and you’re helping him run the world. Will you be participating in the campaign or does the position of National Security Advisory preclude such participation?

Rice: Well by tradition the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, Secretary of the Treasury and I do not participate in campaigns. I think that’s a very good thing, because foreign policy of the United States is not a partisan matter. It is a matter of the security of our country, about the spread of freedom. It’s absolutely the case that we should have debates in the campaign about our foreign policy. The American people should be able to look at the record of this President and to see how its gone and to debate that, but I think it’s a good thing that the principle officers for foreign policy do not get involved in the campaign.

Hewitt: With that in mind as we approach the campaign season, will the participation in the rebuilding of Iraq necessarily be politicized by the swirling of politics here. We’re headed towards elections, the UN’s agreed with the position that the Administration has about the timing of those, but it is inevitable that politics will color how the occupation proceeds?

Rice: I certainly hope that politics will not color in any way what we’re doing in Iraq. It’s simply too important. This is a generational commitment to do something that will bring about a positive development in the Middle East which is a region that is desperately in need of positive development, and I hope that everybody will step back and recognize that this is a time when we need to send as a country strong messages to the Iraqis. For instance, that they are not going to be abandoned. That we are going to stay there until the job is done, that whatever happens the United States is committed to the course that it has begun. I think it is important that we have a debate about the role of the United States in the world that we not send mixed signals that terrorists might read as a weakening of our resolve to fight this war on terrorism. And it is war on terrorism. This is not a law enforcement action against a few criminals who happen to call themselves Al Qaeda. This is a disciplined army, a network that is determined to destroy the civilization that we all enjoy and all love, and so we need to be sure that we are not sending mixed signals.

Emphasis added.
Condi for Veep! Condi in ’08!
Posted by: Mike || 02/26/2004 6:44:18 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


SHARPTON: I’LL HELP END HAITI BLOODSHED
Because if there’s one thing Reverend Al knows, it’s bloodshed!
Democratic presidential candidate Al Sharpton said yesterday that both Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and opposition leaders have accepted his offer to travel to Haiti to help broker a peace agreement after a U.S.-backed proposal was rejected. "I’m going to prepare a humanitarian trip because all sides appear to be willing at least to talk," Sharpton said yesterday after meeting Haitian diplomats.
Man they MUST be desperate....
He said he would travel to Haiti, possibly in the next few days. Earlier, Haitian officials who joined Sharpton at a news conference at Haiti’s New York consulate said they welcomed his offer. "We are certainly pleased with the humanitarian mission that the reverend is embarking upon today, and certainly we need that," said Consul General Harry Fouche. "We need more involvement."
Really, really desperate
Sharpton, a minister who has advocated Haitian-American rights in the United States, said he has met President Jean-Bertrand Aristide several times. He said he spoke to both Aristide and opposition spokesman Paul Denis by phone yesterday. Denis told him that his group, which is threatening to attack the capital of Port-au-Prince, planned to turn down the last-minute U.S. plan, which does not require Aristide to resign. It was unlikely the Bush administration would approve of Sharpton’s private diplomacy. Sharpton, who said he has placed a call to Secretary of State Colin Powell, made a similar effort at restoring order in Liberia in July, when he traveled to the West African nation to meet with both sides in the civil conflict.
We all remember how successful that was. Well, most of us do. Some of us, anyway... A few?
He expressed disappointment in his Democratic presidential opponents for inadequately addressing Haiti and in the Bush administration for not doing more to help quell the violence. He said Haitian-Americans in New York and Florida have asked for his help. "They’re concerned about the silence of American black leaders, and I’m concerned about the presidential candidates," Sharpton said.
Well, I notice they didn’t ask Dennis the Kookster to help them. Why not? I hear he’s big on peace.
Posted by: Secret Master || 02/26/2004 6:10:16 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's a trick. They are going to barbeque and eat him. He could feed all of Cap-Hatian
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 02/26/2004 18:39 Comments || Top||

#2  JFKerryWhoByTheWayServedInVietNam sez that President Bush ought to appoint Bob Graham as a special envoy to Haiti...
Posted by: Seafarious || 02/26/2004 18:44 Comments || Top||

#3  thanks JFK..... now STFU
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 19:37 Comments || Top||

#4  I think we should volunteer Jimmy Carter for this expedition. We could send a pine box on the same plane. If he survives, he can build a house out of it.
Posted by: Polonius || 02/27/2004 0:28 Comments || Top||

#5  there must be a clothing store named "freddy's" in port au prince--if not that how about a "four seasons"
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI || 02/27/2004 1:31 Comments || Top||


Schroeder back in White House after Two Years
EFL
Kicking off a two-day visit to the U.S., German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder sought to put differences over the Iraq war in the past. Instead he focused on imbalances in the global economy and the weak dollar.
A red herring because everybody knows it’s (mostly) the economy which determines a weak or strong dollar, not the president.
The last time Schröder was in the White House was two years ago.
I would like to know whether Schroeder really promised Bush then that he wouldn’t make Iraq a campaign issue for the German elections. If he did I understand that Bush was angry.
Since then Germany vehemently opposed the U.S.-led war to oust Saddam Hussein and along with France spearheaded the "old Europe" campaign protesting military involvement in Iraq without a U.N. mandate.
Which was certainly the worst decision in foreign politics that a German chancellor has ever made in the last 50 years. It seems to dawn on him though.
In the past several months, however, the rhetoric -- if not the position -- in Berlin has softened and the first signs of an improvement in transatlantic ties are on the horizon.
Even German social democrats are realists... occasionally. Funny that they learned this from the Greens.
Now at the start of a two-day whirlwind tour of the U.S., Schröder has made every effort to appear reconciliatory.
To be fair, Bush has been as well and I hope it’s not just to counter Kerry’s claime to be the better international "statesman". Bush is a realist, too, and taking on France is easier without the Germans causing too much trouble.
Speaking at the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations on Thursday, the chancellor said he did not intend to dwell in the past, but rather wanted to look forward together with the Americans.
Yes, don’t think too much about matches you have lost.
The German-American relationship is a "trusting partnership among friends" he said, and as such each side must learn to accept differences and work together.
Because of Mr. Schroeder the trust has suffered, I hope our next government can fully restore it.
Germany remains firm in its refusal to send troops to Iraq, he announced ahead of Friday’s meeting in Washington with President Bush.
That’s about the last election promise of 2002 that Schroeder hasn’t broken yet.
At the same time Schröder said Berlin would not stand in the way of a NATO mission.
Do you get points for not being stupid for a change?
He also renewed his offer to help ease Iraq’s mounting debt as part of any wider agreement in the 19-nation Paris Club of creditor nations.
Wise move, there wasn’t a chance in hell Germany would have recovered the Deutschmarks given to Saddam before Gulf War I, and the German economy knew that already.
"Germany is ready to cooperate, but our readiness to cooperate naturally has limits," the chancellor told NDR radio in Germany before heading to the U.S. "We’ve got nothing to give away, but we’re ready to consider substantial debt relief."
We’re not broke yet but we better fix a lot of things damn soon.
Putting the discussion of Germany’s contribution to Iraq momentarily aside, the main thrust of Schröder’s Thursday speech was economic in nature. With the euro trading at an all-time high against the dollar, the German leader warned that further shifts in the exchange rate could seriously harm European trade interests.
It’s been 5 cents off the high mark since then and actually I don’t think that the Euro will break through the 1.30$ mark anytime soon. We’re more likely to see 1,15-1,25 $ for the next months.
In unusually direct terms, Schröder said the weak U.S. dollar poses dangers for world trade and could hinder economic growth.
Nevertheless Germany is Number 1 again in exporting goods although the strong Euro does hurt in the long run. $1,20 looks acceptable though, $1,30 would be painful.
Posted by: True German Ally || 02/26/2004 5:22:17 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Glad Germany getting its head together always did like them,the French however.:)
Posted by: djohn66 || 02/26/2004 17:43 Comments || Top||

#2  TGA's platform is getting clearer every day. ;>
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Thought he might have been over here studying those "outsourced German jobs" at the US BMW and Mercedes plants...Funny how Kerry and more importantly Edwards ignores that business reality when spreading there doom and gloom...
Posted by: Capsu78 || 02/26/2004 17:59 Comments || Top||

#4  Next week Chirac will be over to have a look at those "outsourced French jobs" at Nissan in Mississippi.
Posted by: john || 02/26/2004 18:38 Comments || Top||

#5  1. The German-American relationship is a "trusting partnership among friends" he said, and as such each side must learn to accept differences and work together.

2. Germany remains firm in its refusal to send troops to Iraq, he announced ahead of Friday’s meeting in Washington with President Bush

3. Germany is ready to cooperate, but our readiness to cooperate naturally has limits,"

Wow! Where does all the optimism come from?? Three strikes and you're out Schroeder. Improved relations? Well...I suppose that when cat's don't scratch a dogs face or the dog doesn't rip a cat to shreds (and we're the dog, btw) - it's "improved relations".

GW just loved Schroeder so much, he gave him a three finger salute as he left. We'll see how long Schroeder can continue to tell us to **&^ off and still maintain his credibility.
Posted by: B || 02/26/2004 20:07 Comments || Top||

#6  1) Friends can have differences, or can't they?
2) He'd be the first politician who comes with his head in his hands.
3) See #2 for the limits.

But don't worry: SPD/Greens might survive until 2006 but Schroeder won't survive 2004. In the upcoming regional elections (plentiful this year) the SPD will be hammered... I expect he'll resign in a few months.
Actually I bet on it.
Posted by: True German Ally || 02/26/2004 20:16 Comments || Top||

#7  TGA ...fair points. I suppose it's not so different in Germany than it is here. We have our Gore/Kerry supporters just like you do your Schroeder fans. I suppose times change as circumstances change...and Schroeder's just a product of his time.
Posted by: B || 02/26/2004 21:31 Comments || Top||

#8  B... exactly. And certain ads comparing Bush with .... ummm other politicians were not run in Germany, but on a website endorsed by Democrats.

We'll see to what measures Kerry will go when the race for the White House becomes unwinnable.

Oh, btw, Germans politicians are realists... they plan for Bush, not Kerry.

And WE will send a congratulation telegram ;-)
Posted by: True German Ally || 02/26/2004 22:04 Comments || Top||

#9  TGA, who do you like to replace Herr Schroeder? I'm sure you've given the matter some thought.
Posted by: Matt || 02/26/2004 23:20 Comments || Top||

#10  How 'bout if TGA replaces Herr Schroeder?
Posted by: Steve White || 02/26/2004 23:40 Comments || Top||


Doubt aired on genocide case against Milosevic
The prosecution in Slobodan Milosevic’s war crimes trial moved yesterday to rest its case two days early as the chief prosecutor conceded her team had not produced "the smoking gun" to convict the former Yugoslav president of genocide, the most serious charge against him. "I know that I don’t have the smoking gun on the count of genocide, and we will see what the trial chamber decides," chief prosecutor Carla del Ponte said in an interview only minutes after she signed a motion to end the prosecution’s two-year case.
Other than the bodies, you mean.
"The facts are not in dispute by us. We can prove the facts, but genocide needs a specific intent, a subjective element, and it is very difficult to prove," del Ponte added.
Slobo was in charge. He gave the orders. Am I missing something?
But she insisted prosecutors were confident they had established Milosevic’s guilt on the litany of other charges of crimes against humanity and breaches of the Geneva Conventions for his role in the savage campaign of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans throughout the 1990s. Conviction on those charges, specialists in international law and trial observers say, would almost certainly ensure that Milosevic would spend the rest of his life in France jail. Del Ponte said Belgrade authorities had jeopardized the case for genocide by failing to provide the prosecution access to documents from the state archives.
Digital enhanced surprise meter reads "0.000".
Her decision to rest the prosecution’s case two days early was due, she said, to the ill health of Milosevic and the chief judge in the case. On a doctor’s recommendation, the trial has been suspended for nearly two weeks because of the 61-year-old Milosevic’s high blood pressure. His various ailments, including heart trouble and fatigue, have resulted in more than 100 days of delays in the two years since the trial got underway.
High blood pressure? I have a dozen drugs that can fix that in a day. Get on with the trial!
There were also concerns, del Ponte said, of further delays caused by the announcement on Sunday that the presiding judge, Richard May, 65, would resign in three months because of a serious illness that was not identified. May, a British judge who presided over two years of hearings and nearly 300 witnesses, said in a letter to the tribunal that his illness made it impossible for him to continue. If the prosecution’s motion is accepted on Monday, it would trigger a three-month recess in the trial, which del Ponte said would allow time for a new judge to be appointed and get caught up on the details of the case before Milosevic, who is a trained lawyer, begins his own defense. Del Ponte said that under the rules of the court, the United Nations was permitted to impose a new judge. Nonetheless, she conceded it was possible that Milosevic would seize on the development to file for a mistrial. She said there was "absolutely no risk" of mistrial because the entire proceedings have been videotaped and transcribed, which would allow a new judge to pick up the case when Milosevic begins his defense. There are some 30,000 pages of transcripts and 600,000 pages of filings by the prosecution, as well as hundreds of hours of videotaped testimony by witnesses.
So the new judge will be busy weekends.
Amid the turmoil in the case and new questions over whether the prosecution clearly established a genocide case against Milosevic, international law specialists are concerned about where the case appears to be headed. "An acquittal would have serious implications not only for attempts to prosecute genocide in the future, but also for efforts that might be undertaken to prevent it from occurring," said Stacy Sullivan, a research director who has followed the Milosevic trial for the Institute for War and Peace Reporting, a London-based nongovernmental organization. Sullivan recently published a paper analyzing the consequences of an acquittal on genocide charges.
You might not be able to deal with genocide, but the 101st Airborne has a way of dealing with it.
"It would also disappoint victims, and provide ammunition for those who would deny that genocide took place," Sullivan added.
Victims? They’re still dead, aren’t they?
Samantha Power, author of the Pulitzer Prize-winning book "A Problem From Hell: America in the Age of Genocide," which examines why some countries have failed to prevent genocide, said that del Ponte’s acknowledgments on the prosecution’s genocide case were "very significant." "It’s the first time she said this publicly. It seems the prosecution is preparing themselves, the people in the Balkans, and people all over the world who care about international law for an acquittal on the count of genocide," said Power.
Nice job, Carla -- instead of getting the goods on Slobo, you’re "preparing" the rest of us.
Milosevic is alleged to have orchestrated the Serbian military campaign that led to the fracturing of Yugoslavia, and to have presided over the atrocities that took place in Bosnia, Croatia, and Kosovo. In order to prove genocide, the UN-appointed tribunal has set the bar high, saying the prosecution needs to establish not only that Milosevic orchestrated the crimes, but that he did so with a specific intent to destroy Bosnian Muslims as a people.
And while you’re at it, prove that he lusts after power.
Asked whether she was concerned about the impact an acquittal on genocide charges could have on victims, del Ponte said, "I don’t think it will be a great difficulty for the population as such."
"The dead ones will still be dead, after all."
"If you meet with the victims of these crimes, they want justice, and justice for the victims is that the guilty stay in prison for life. That is what they want, punishment," she said.
You can’t give them what they want, Carla.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/26/2004 3:56:44 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is why whoever takes OBL should Mirandize him after the brainscan flatlines.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 02/26/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||

#2  There is alot to be said for military tribunals for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Of course the LLL wants all the gitmo-types to be civilian trials, because they can make a mockery of the justice system.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/26/2004 17:18 Comments || Top||

#3  Thus we see demonstrated the crushing superiority of the UN/multilateralist/law-enforcement approach to dealing with terrorism and tyrrany.

What? Why are you laughing? Did I say something funny?
Posted by: Mike || 02/26/2004 19:10 Comments || Top||

#4  "Slobo was in charge. He gave the orders. Am I missing something?"

That both are in doubt. Karadjic and Mladic were in charge of the particular genociders -- as far as I know atleast (and I admittedly haven't been following the case much) there's no clear certainty how much Milosevic was ordering them and how much he was simply allied with and supporting them.

Milosevic is still the mastermind of brutal unjust wars and mass murder, I just don't know how much he was involved in the actual genocide business.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 02/26/2004 21:12 Comments || Top||


Japan hosts world snowball fight championship
Hat tip: Murdoc Online. Edited for brevity.
On winter evenings, men gather outside a hotel in Japan’s frozen north to heat snow with an oil stove in a vinyl tent. When the powdery stuff becomes malleable, they shovel it into a mold resembling a giant cupcake tray, and stamp out 1,000 perfectly round snowballs of regulation size: no less than 2.56 inches in diameter and no more than 2.76 inches. For the next three hours, they throw these snowballs at one another, hoping to recapture the title their team, now called Skyward, won in 2001: the Showa Shinzan International Yukigassen, the de facto world snowball-fight championship.
Children merely play games. It takes men to add rules and sponsors and make it a sport!
Two teams of seven players each start with 90 snowballs and face off on a field as wide as a tennis court and 1Âœ times as long. The field features "shelters" -- 3-foot walls of snow that the players hide behind -- and a flag for each team, planted deep inside its half of the court. Players wearing protective helmets take opponents out of the game by hitting them with a ball. A team wins a three-minute set either by having the most players standing at the end, or by grabbing the other’s flag. Matches are decided over three sets.

Skyward evolved from a team formed seven years ago by Mr. Miyashita, who recruited talent from local baseball teams. They entered the competition as a lark but were soon hooked by the sport’s tactical challenges. Sunday practices turned into daily training after work. A year ago, Mr. Miyashita’s team merged with another, won sponsorship from Japan Airlines Co., and was renamed Skyward. JAL and Sapporo Breweries sponsor the championship. All Skyward teammates, who range in age between 21 and 33, are single. "Everyone who gets married gives up snowball fighting" because of the big time commitment, says Mr. Miyashita. "Japanese wives won’t put up with it."
If we got Randy Johnson in this, he would either A.) kill somebody, or B.) be completely useless because the snowballs would dissipate into steam in midflight.
Posted by: Dar || 02/26/2004 3:02:58 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I know who my first pick would be for my team.

" I pick Godzilla. "
Posted by: Charles || 02/26/2004 15:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Japan: Land of the Rising Snowball.
Posted by: Mike || 02/26/2004 15:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah Godzilla would be my pick too, Mothra throws like a gurl.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 16:08 Comments || Top||

#4  I bought a plastic snowball scooper at a local sporting goods store. Now if it were only metal instead....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/26/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#5  I'd see if I could get The Zionist Death Ray on loan...
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 20:07 Comments || Top||

#6  Somehow being burned alive doesn't sound like my idea of a good time. Unless we saw Godzilla get a tan from the Ray.

" He has a tan. That infidel! We refuse to play! "
*Shreik/roar*
" No! Not our collection of Hijab dressed women magazines! "
Posted by: Charles || 02/26/2004 20:18 Comments || Top||


CPA Briefing 2-25-2004
Snippets

  • Last night there were a number of questions at the press conference regarding the capture of Abu Mohammed Hamza. We thought we’d provide some questions and some answers with regards to some of the items that have been picked up.
    These are pictures taken directly at the location. This was a set of photographs of Zarqawi that were picked up at the location. As you can see, this is a suicide vest that was found inside the house at which Hamza was killed, contains a plastic explosive, ball bearings, blasting caps, a trigger device and a hand grenade. This satchel is made to loop over the neck and be detonated by hand.
    Inside of the house, you can see an extensive amount of explosives. There was a pre-made improvised explosive device, a container full of plastic explosives over here. These were a number of suitcases that were found with wires, batteries, items that would be necessary for triggering explosive devices.
    Outside the house were found some barrels of sodium nitrate, some crates with some Soviet Cyrillic writing on the side, some more bags of sodium nitrate, and other items unknown. Samples have been taken by our explosive ordnance detachments, and they’re being analyzed at this time.
  • In the central-south zone of operations, coalition forces conducted a search-and-seizure operation southwest of Karbala. The unit arrested 11 suspected anti-coalition personnel and confiscated six AK-47s, two shotguns, one sniper rifle, a satellite phone, one FM transceiver and one global positioning system. Additionally, 150 packages of suspected drugs were found.
  • A patrol detained 90 personnel who tried to illegally cross the Iran-Iraq border northeast of Al Kut and confiscated 8 minibuses, five AK-47s and two other small-arms weapons. All of the persons and the minibuses were turned over to the Iraqi border police.
  • I’m not aware of any redeployments of troops from Iraq to Afghanistan. We have a routine transportation going back and forth. That is all part of the same CENTCOM area of operations. We have some shared assets that work for both commands. But large numbers of troops redeploying from Iraq to Afghanistan? Not aware.
  • Q (In Arabic, Through Translator.) Husam Munaf (ph), (inaudible) news agency. We can see that most of the helicopters are flying low profile. So this might cause some panic and terrify the children of Iraq or are you intended to annoy the Iraqis by this action. Is it a challenge to the Iraqis especially since they are terrifying the children of Iraq?
    GEN. KIMMITT: What we would tell the children of Iraq is that the noise they hear is the sound of freedom. Those helicopters are in the air to provide safety, provide security. Certainly our helicopter pilots do not fly at an altitude intentionally to distract the children of Iraq. They’re there for their safety. They’re there for their protection. And just as my wife, who is a schoolteacher, tells the children when they’re sitting in the classroom that, when they hear the artillery rounds go off at Fort Bragg, she says, "Children, that’s the sound of freedom." They seem to be quite pleased with that explanation. We would recommend that you tell the same thing to the children of Iraq, that that helicopter noise you hear above you ensures that they don’t have to worry for the future.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 02/26/2004 2:58:41 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "some crates with some Soviet Cyrillic writing on the side,"

how i wonder, does Soviet Cyrillic writint differ from post soviet Russian Cyrillic writing? Have they restored any of the letters they abolished in 1918?
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

#2  "A patrol detained 90 personnel who tried to illegally cross the Iran-Iraq border northeast of Al Kut and confiscated 8 minibuses, five AK-47s and two other small-arms weapons. All of the persons and the minibuses were turned over to the Iraqi border police."

This sounds really big too me.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 15:24 Comments || Top||

#3  "What we would tell the children of Iraq is that the noise they hear is the sound of freedom"

Kinda like down south, when your nose catches the waft of a paper mill, they say "thats the smell of money?" :)
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

#4  a satellite phone, one FM transceiver and one global positioning system

Sat phone -- ID numbers and the phone numbers it's been calling; or that have called it.

GPS receiver -- TRACKBACK!!! Unless you disable it, most commercial systems keep a track of where you've recently been. Depending on the manufacturer, they may have a couple day's worth of someone's movements.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/26/2004 16:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Have they restored any of the letters they abolished in 1918?
Yes the $ is back in vogue.

Seriously, did the Red's just modernize their alphabit or were there anti-state letters? I've always been suspicous of v.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 16:50 Comments || Top||

#6  from a PBS website: "In Russia, Cyrillic was first written in the early Middle Ages in clear-cut, legible ustav (large letters). Later a succession of cursive forms developed. In the early eighteenth century, under Peter the Great, the forms of letters were simplified and regularized, with some appropriate only to Greek being removed. Further unnecessary letters were expunged in 1918, leaving the alphabet as it is today—still in use in many Slavic Orthodox countries. "
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 17:07 Comments || Top||


Sec. Rumsfeld with Kazakhstani Peacekeeping Contingent
RUMSFELD: I’m anxious to hear their thoughts.

ALTYNBAYEV: Let me ask the commander of the group, LTC Smagulov.

SMAGULOV: While in Iraq, we dealt with two major problems. The first was disposal of explosives, and the second was getting water. During our stay, we destroyed 522,563 dangerous objects. The Kazakhstani peacekeepers proved to be professional peacekeepers and military specialists, ready for any contingency.

During our time in Iraq, we gained from the experience of all the other military detachments that worked with us, particularly with the soldiers of the United States who were our “older brothers,” who were always ready to help.

During our Mission, we received full cooperation from the Americans, and we are ready to work with them any time.
ALTYNBAYEV: If I may I would like to say a few words. Not only did these guys get serious experience, which demonstrated their high degree of readiness, and in practice they carried out all the tasks set them, and didn’t allow a single infraction of military discipline, nor any lapse of professionalism, and they came back safe and sound to Kazakhstan. Mr. Secretary, this was the first experience of a peacekeeping operation for the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan, for the Ministry of Defense, for the Headquarters (HQ) staff. Considering that we encountered unanticipated problems in the conduct of this mission, we formed a task force in the staff of the HQ that worked around the clock to surmount the new problems. There was a lot of preparatory work required, we were working blind, not aware of what lay in store.

But when we were preparing the second contingent, we were able to work purposefully. And the half of the contingent that stayed on was a great help training the new arrivals. I’m saying this for the benefit of everyone here. It was not easy for us here (in HQ), or me personally as Minister, I had to answer numerous tough questions from journalists, parliamentary deputies. There were many different opinions about whether to do this, or not. I insisted that this experience was necessary, and that we should do this work, and we will continue this work. And their families, and wives, too, bore up well under this challenge, waiting patiently for them for a long six months. Let me take this opportunity to thank you, and through you, the American soldiers in Iraq for everywhere providing security for the work of our people, as well as for logistics and supplies; their work was flawless, and for this I thank you very much.

The rotation of our troops was precisely organized on the part of U.S. transport aviation, the first and second detachments were delivered as scheduled, and the first was returned home successfully. While they were in Iraq, very important decisions were taken here regarding the future of our Armed Forces. I would like to inform you, as well as our soldiers, that we have formed a Committee of the Chiefs of Staff, separate from the Ministry, similar to what exists in America. The President has made a decision to switch over from an army based on obligatory military service, to a professional contract service. We want to have about 70-80 percent such units this year. These first peacekeepers will be valuable and much-needed instructors for training the volunteers of the new force.

We are moving from universal military obligation to a voluntary army. Contracts will be for 3-, 5-, or 10-year periods. After the initial 3-year contract, volunteers will have the option to reenlist for 5 years, or leave the service. Mr. Secretary, we are also introducing what is for us a new concept, that of an NCO corps, with sergeants of several levels – first sergeant, regimental sergeant, brigade sergeant, etc. By the time we complete the transition to an all-volunteer force, we will also finish a rearming program. Our more professional forces will be able to handle more sophisticated, more advanced weapons. The number of soldiers in our Armed Forces will be smaller, but they will be more mobile and better trained.
RUMSFELD: We currently have 115,000 Americans leaving Iraq, and 115,000 Americans going into Iraq. I landed in Shannon, Ireland, for refueling on the way over here, and I happened to run into an airplane with 225 Oklahoma National Guardsmen en route to Iraq. They were eager to do it, proud of their assignment, all people who volunteered to do it. I’ll say to you what I said to them. Peacekeeping is noble work. You’ll look back in 20 years on what you’ve done in Iraq, and be proud of it. You will have contributed to the liberation and freedom and opportunity for some 25 million Iraqi people. I thank you for it. Your countrymen should thank you for it. And 25 years from now, the Iraqi people will thank you for it. Thank you.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 02/26/2004 2:49:59 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So they're moving from a Soviet model to the US model. Good for them! The NCO corps will be especially important.
Posted by: rkb || 02/26/2004 19:21 Comments || Top||


4th ID 2-26-2004
TIKRIT, Iraq - 1st Battalion, 14th Infantry Regiment of 2nd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division soldiers discovered an ammunition cache southeast of Kirkuk Tuesday. The cache consisted of 126 60 mm mortars and 60 82 mm mortar rounds. An explosive ordinance disposal team destroyed the munitions.

A coalition convoy was attacked Tuesday in Baqubah by anti-coalition forces using an improvised explosive device. The convoy continued without sustaining any significant damage. Soldiers from 1st Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment and Iraqi Civil Defense Corps saw five individuals flee from the attack site. The soldiers pursued the men into a nearby building and captured all of them. They are being held for questioning.

Soldiers from 1st Battalion, 27th Infantry Regiment of the 2nd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division raided a building in Sordonia, 9 kilometers southwest of Riyadh, Tuesday looking for a weapons cache and the persons responsible for storing the weapons. An Iraqi citizen provided the information. Soldiers captured three individuals and located and confiscated one rocket-propelled-grenade launcher, six 82 mm mortar rounds and five ammunition magazines filled with AK-47 ammunition.

Individuals using an improvised explosive device attacked a patrol from C Company, 1st Battalion, 68th Armor Regiment 4 kilometers west of Tarmiyah Tuesday. No one in the patrol was injured and there was no damage to equipment. Soldiers searched the area with the assistance of OH-58D Kiowa Warrior helicopters and found a second IED hidden in weeds. The patrol captured one person who is suspected of placing the IED. He is being held for questioning.

After an attack in the village of Samir in the evening of Feb. 18th that destroyed an Iraqi Civil Defense Corps vehicle, the ICDC and Iraqi police worked together to capture the person responsible based on eyewitness identification. Tuesday afternoon, the commander of the ICDC in the area and a captain in the Duluiyah police department brought the suspected attacker to Forward Operating Base Pacesetter and turned him over to coalition forces. The individual is being held for questioning as the investigation continues.

Soldiers from 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment on patrol discovered an improvised explosive device near Khalis Tuesday. As they approached the IED, the soldiers saw two men running from the scene. The patrol pursued and captured one of the men. The IED was partially buried and consisted of two sticks of TNT. The IED was rendered inert and was transported to a nearby forward operating base. The captured attacker is being held for questioning.

An Iraqi citizen provided information to 1st Battalion, 14th Infantry Regiment of 2nd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division soldiers about a possible weapons and ammunition cache south of Kirkuk. Soldiers went to the location Tuesday and discovered one 37 mm anti-aircraft gun and 100 rounds of 37 mm anti-aircraft ammunition. The patrol disabled the weapon with hand grenades and an explosive ordinance disposal team destroyed the ammunition.
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Stryker Brigade Combat Team 2-26-2004
MOSUL, Iraq - Soldiers from 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division (Stryker Brigade Combat Team) under the operational control of Task Force Olympia detained personnel suspected of anti-coalition activities in northern Iraq Wednesday.

Soldiers from 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment returned fire on a group of four assailants Wednesday night following a rocket-propelled-grenade attack near Hammam Al Alil. The coalition soldiers killed one assailant, and the remaining suspects ran into a nearby building. The unit immediately cordoned off the building and conducted a search that resulted in the unit detaining two suspects.

In Mosul, soldiers from 2nd Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment conducted two cordon-and-search operations and detained five personnel suspected of anti-coalition activities.

Soldiers from 1st Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment conducted a cordon-and-search operation outside of Mosul and detained three personnel associated with anti-coalition activities, including one target suspected of selling illegal weapons in northern Iraq.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 02/26/2004 2:36:21 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


"Let me out so I can kill you all!"
Hat tip LGF.
A woman suicide bomber arrested by Israeli forces as she prepared to blow up a Tel Aviv bus station vowed yesterday to carry out a successful "martyr attack" as soon as she is freed from jail. "Yes, I will do it again if I can," said Obeida Khalil, 27. "When I put the suicide explosives belt on I felt very happy, very content. I was angry when they caught me because I was not able to be a martyr. I wanted to be the first female martyr and to kill as many Israeli soldiers as possible. I chose the bus station because my brother blew himself up there."
She not only admitted that she was guilty but also that she wasn’t repentant.
There have been seven female Palestinian suicide bombers. Two of them alone have claimed 25 lives. Another 24 bombers, including Khalil, have been stopped before they could strike. Speaking to The Telegraph in her cell in HaSharon prison near Netanya, Khalil, a member of Islamic Jihad from the village of Beit Wazan, near Nablus, said she had been pushed to act because of the Israeli occupation and the "murder" of her fiance. "Four days before our wedding, he went up on the roof and he was shot dead by an Israeli helicopter. If we had been married, then I would have had children. I would have done other things for the jihad besides being a martyr.
"I coulda popped out dozens of little martyrs, eventually found a lover, and then we both coulda boomed. But NOOOOOOOO!"
"But before he died we had discussed being martyrs by blowing ourselves up together. With the help of God, we said, maybe both of us would do it and then we would be together forever."
Yes you’d be together forever. In HELL!
Khalil is one of 74 female Palestinian prisoners kept in a special wing at HaSharon. It is divided between prisoners linked to Yasser Arafat’s Fatah movement in one segregated group and Hamas and Islamic Jihad inmates in the other. They are kept locked up 21 hours a day in tiny shared cells and allowed three hours exercise in the wing’s central yard. One prisoner had a baby and will be allowed to keep him until he is two. Kaiera Saidi, 26, serving a life sentence for driving a suicide bomber, said she knew what she was doing might mean she would never see her four children again. "But I felt it was my duty and I believe God will take care of them."
Hopefully by putting them with a decent family.
Most of Khalil’s time is spent reading the Koran, doing needlework and preparing what she feels she must do when released. Arrested 20 months ago, Khalil is serving a five-year sentence. Relatives are not allowed to visit because several family members have been suicide bombers. Her mother, she said, understood why she wanted to kill herself. "Every Muslim wants to be a martyr. It was in me before I was born. The Israelis took my land and our state was conquered.
Then her lips fell off.
"People in Europe do not understand us but if they lived in Palestine they wouldn’t ask questions about why we do what we do." Although Khalil wanted to blow up soldiers in her planned attack in Tel Aviv she said it was legitimate to kill Jewish children because one day they would serve in the Israeli army. "The children of the first intifada [1987-1993] are the soldiers killing innocent Palestinian children now."
Parroting the lies she was required by law to decieve herself into thinking.
It's just a continuation of the Nazis' "nits make lice" argument, and it wasn't original with them...
Israeli intelligence officers believe that the number of female suicide bombers is increasing because they attract less suspicion than Palestinian men. Some women, they claim, have carried out attacks to remove the shame of adulterous relationships or other breaches of Islamic custom.
Posted by: Korora || 02/26/2004 1:31:41 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  AHHHHHHHH! Lost first paragraph!!!!11one

A woman suicide bomber arrested by Israeli forces as she prepared to blow up a Tel Aviv bus station vowed yesterday to carry out a successful "martyr attack" as soon as she is freed from jail.
Posted by: Korora || 02/26/2004 13:45 Comments || Top||

#2  Arrested? I would've shot her ass dead, no questions asked.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/26/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#3  Maybe its time to establish a place like Pitcarin Island or South Georgia as a penal colony. You get dumped off with some basic supplies and get to survive or die (if the other inmates don't get you first.)
Posted by: Jim K || 02/26/2004 14:25 Comments || Top||

#4  it was legitimate to kill Jewish children because one day they would serve in the Israeli army.

This is sick pure and simple. How did this bitch rate only a 5 year sentence?

What was her Fiance doing on the roof that attracted the helocopter's attention? I bet it was't saying his prayers....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/26/2004 14:47 Comments || Top||

#5  Jim K: Maybe its time to establish a place like Pitcarin Island or South Georgia as a penal colony.

I have JUST the place! San Clemente Island, off the coast of California. Perfect! There is very little cover on the Island, or anything else for that matter.

We could erect tall towers with cameras for monitoring the festivities. Let the Games begin!
Can you say Pay-per-view Reality TV? Sure, I knew you could!

-AR
Posted by: Analog Roam || 02/26/2004 16:23 Comments || Top||

#6  This is sick pure and simple.

"It was necessary to kill her fiance because he and Khalil would have kids who would one day become terrorists."

I'll bet that Palestinians would be howling if a Jew were quoted as saying that.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/26/2004 16:25 Comments || Top||

#7  Don't even think of using Pitcairn.
Posted by: Langston Christian || 02/26/2004 16:59 Comments || Top||

#8  Bomb, so would the U.N. and Democrats...... I can hear Kerry's testimony to Congress now.....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/26/2004 18:26 Comments || Top||

#9  Ixnay on the San Clemente island - too close. I'm thinking an island like Hanks was on in "Castaway", but give them Israeli-made volleyballs: "Moshe" instead of "Wilson" LOL
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 19:42 Comments || Top||


First Attack on WTC Today in 1993
Someone call the New York Times, tell them "Clinton Lied - People Died....."
On 26th February 1993, at approximately 12.18 p.m., an improvised explosive device exploded on the second level of the World Trade Center parking basement. The resulting blast produced a crater, approximately 150 feet in diameter and five floors deep, in the parking basement. The structure consisted mainly of steel-reinforced concrete, twelve to fourteen inches thick. The epicenter of the blast was approximately eight feet from the south wall of Trade Tower Number One, near the support column K31/8. The device had been placed in the rear cargo portion of a one-ton Ford F350 Econoline van, owned by the Ryder Rental Agency, Jersey City, New Jersey. Approximately 6,800 tons of material were displaced by the blast.

The main explosive charge consisted primarily of approximately 1,200 to 1,500 pounds of a home-made fertilizer-based explosive, urea nitrate. The fusing system consisted of two 20-minute lengths of a non-electric burning type fuse such as green hobby fuse. The hobby fuse terminated in the lead azide, as the initiator.

Also incorporated in the device and placed under the main explosive charge were three large metal cylinders (tare weight 126 pounds) of compressed hydrogen gas.

The crime scene and prosecution

On 26th February 1993, at approximately 12.18 p.m., an explosion occurred under the World Trade Center complex in New York City. Early media reports and some telephone com-munications from law enforcement personnel in New York suggested that a generator had exploded. Bomb technician Special Agents from the New York FBI had responded as a first analysis team and their conclusion was that an improvised explosive device had exploded. Subsequent requests to the FBI Laboratory for field support were met with two Special Agent Examiners from the FBI Laboratory Explosives Unit who arrived in New York on 27th February. Initial analyses of the crime scene confirmed that the damage had been caused by an improvised explosive device. Within one week following the explosion, more than 300 law enforcement officers from around the country had sifted through more than 2,500 cubic yards of debris weighing in excess of 6,800 tons, and had pieced together evidence in the most significant international terrorist act ever committed on U.S. soil.

The resulting explosion killed six people and injured more than a thousand. More than 50,000 people were evacuated from the Trade Center complex during the hours immediately following the blast.

The initial inspection on 27th February was described as "a scene of massive devastation, almost surreal". It was like walking into a cave, with no lights other than flashlights flickering across the crater. There were small pockets of fire, electrical arcing from damaged wiring, and automobile alarms whistling, howling and honking. The explosion ruptured two of the main sewage lines from both Trade towers and the Vista Hotel and several water mains from the air conditioning system. In all, more than 2 million gallons of water and sewage were pumped out of the crime scene.

After an initial inspection of the underground parking area, FBI explosive unit personnel were able to determine that a crater had been formed, measuring approximately 150 feet in diameter at its widest point and over five stories deep. The damage done to automobiles, concrete and structural steel, for example, suggested that the explosive had a velocity of detonation of around 14,000 to 15,500 feet per second. It is known that there are several commercial explosives that fall within that range of detonation, including some dynamites, water gels, slurries and fertilizer-based explosives. The explosive damage was more of a pushing and heaving type rather than the damage one would expect from a more brisant shattering and splitting explosive such as TNT or C-4. Also, by an initial assessment of the type of damage and the size of the crater, it was determined that the explosive main charge must have been between 1,200 and 1,500 pounds. When making this type of extrapolation, the explosive expert must consider external factors such as confinement by the target itself, witness materials and structural integrity of the building.

Once the type and amount of explosive had been estimated, it was possible to surmise that the bomb had been too large to transport in a sedan-type automobile, while the ceiling clearance limited the height of the vehicle. By this method of reasonable deduction, the initial opinion was that the explosive device had to have been transported into the Trade Center parking area in either a pickup truck or a van.

During the initial assessment of explosive damage to the complex, it became very clear that the structural integrity of Trade Tower Number One was at risk, and that the Vista Hotel would probably collapse within days if structural steel support was not in place as soon as possible. It was also apparent that structural problems were not the only safety hazard. The raw sewage present could present a biological hazard, as could the asbestos and mineral wool (a level 2 carcinogen), acid and fuel from the automobiles, and small fires caused by short circuits. Another concern was the possibility of pieces of concrete 14 inches thick and as large as a kitchen table falling from 70 feet above. And as one would expect at a bombing crime scene, there were a great many sharp metal fragments from both the building and the vehicles present during the blast.

Before establishing a plan of attack to begin the collection of evidence, other concerns were important. The Port Authority Transportation system, PATH, which operates a train system from New Jersey into New York, a major commuter umbilicus, was damaged by the blast. If the system could not operate on the Monday morning, commuting would be a nightmare. Late on Saturday night, it was decided to evacuate the complex, place seismographic equipment around the damaged area and run a train through the system. Results of this test showed that with minimal structural support, the train could be allowed to run on Monday: one problem solved. Within hours of the blast, OSHA, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, advised that certain personal safety and breathing equipment must be used by crime scene personnel. OSHA personnel volunteered to conduct personal sessions with every individual and fit dust proof masks. They also provided numerous air quality monitors to determine if the crime scene effort disturbed any hazardous materials.

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) was concerned about the disposal of the unwanted debris from the crime scene. The co-operation provided by OSHA and the air analyses convinced EPA personnel that disposal would not be a problem.


The vehicle frame fragment found on the site and the VIN which led to identification of the van used by the bombers.

On 28th February, four FBI forensic chemists and four ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) chemists arrived to begin explosive residue collection. A transient chemistry explosive residue laboratory was put together in the already existing New York City Police Department Laboratory. Later that evening, six forensic chemists, two from each agency (FBI, ATF, NYPD) were dispatched to the crater area to collect explosive residues. A bomb technician from the NYPD and an ATF agent were also assigned to provide safety support for the chemists. During the early morning hours of this residue collection, the bomb technician discovered a fragment from a vehicle frame which displayed massive explosive damage. The ATF agent and bomb technician placed the 300 pound fragment on a litter and carried it to a police vehicle. The fragment was transported to the Laboratory for analysis. Due to sewage contamination, the piece was of no value for explosive residue analyses. A closer inspection of the fragment displayed a dot matrix number. The number was identified as the confidential vehicle identification number of a van reported stolen the day before the bombing. The vehicle was a 1990 Ford, F-350 Econoline van owned by the Ryder Rental Agency, rented in New Jersey and reported stolen in New Jersey. The frame fragment displayed explosive damage consistent with damage from a device exploding inside the vehicle.

By Sunday morning a fully operational Evidence Control Center was established in the basement of the Merryl Lynch building across West Street. This evidence command post incorporated secure and non-secure telephones and facsimile, photocopiers, radio communication with the crime scene and FBI headquarters in New York, computers and data processors, phototelesis, and a scheduled meeting room. Merryl Lynch maintained security from the media until investigation of the crime scene was completed.

On Monday morning three teams were assembled and the entrance and exit ramps to the parking basement were secured and cleaned while contract engineers were rapidly securing the structural support of the crime scene. By Tuesday morning approximately 200 law enforcement officers from at least eight different agencies were on hand to begin the monumental task of collecting evidence.

Also by Tuesday, four Assistant United States Attorneys were assigned to the prosecution. It was fortunate that the attorneys were assigned at that time because late on Monday night the vehicle fragment was identified by the FBI Laboratory as having been a portion of the vehicle that contained the device and as having been reported stolen on 25th February 1993. FBI agents travelled to the Ryder Rental Agency in Jersey City, New Jersey, which had rented out the vehicle and began an interview of the station manager. While the interview was under way, an individual by the name of Mohammad Salameh telephoned Ryder and wanted his security deposit returned. A meeting was arranged so that Salameh would return to the Ryder Agency on 4th March. When he returned for the $400 deposit, FBI agents were on hand to place him under surveillance. As Salameh was leaving, numerous media personnel were observed outside, setting up their photography equipment. It was then decided that Salameh would be arrested on the spot. His arrest and the subsequent search of his personal property led to Nidel Ayyad, a chemist working for the Allied Signal Corporation in New Jersey. Ayyad was connected to Salameh through telephone toll records and joint bank accounts. At the time of Ayyad’s arrest his personal computer was seized from his office (more about that later). Also through toll records and receipts, a safe house or bomb factory was located on Pamrappo Avenue, in Jersey City. A search of this bomb factory revealed that acids and other chemicals had been used at that apartment to manufacture explosives. Traces of nitro-glycerine and urea nitrate were found on the carpet and embedded in the ceiling. It appeared that a chemical reaction involving acid had occurred in the apartment. At the same time, telephone toll records from Salameh and Ayyad showed that calls had been made to a self-storage center not too far from the bomb factory.

An interview with the manager of the self-storage center indicated that Salameh had rented a space, and that four "Arab looking" individuals had been observed using a Ryder van several days before the bombing. The manager also said that the day before the bombing, AGL Welding Supply from Clifton, New Jersey, had delivered three large tanks of compressed hydrogen gas. The storage manager had told Salameh to remove them that day. During the search of the storage room rented by Salameh, many chemicals and items of laboratory equipment were located. Among the items seized was 300 pounds of urea, 250 pounds of sulfuric acid, numerous one-gallon containers, both empty and containing nitric acid and sodium cyanide, two 50-foot lengths of hobby fuse, a blue plastic trash can, and a bilge pump. While examining the trash can and bilge pump, a white crystalline substance was found. A chemical analysis identified urea nitrate.

While inventorying the materials in the storage center, six 2-quart bottles of brown liquid were discovered. The liquid was identified as home-made nitro-glycerine, very unstable in the condition in which it was found. The nitro-glycerine was transported and destroyed by the New Jersey State Police Bomb Squad.

On 3rd March, a type-written communication was received at the New York Times. The communique claimed respon-sibility for the bombing of the World Trade Center in the name of Allah. The letter was composed on a personal computer and printed on a laser printer. Very little can be identified as to the origin of the printer, but a search of the hidden files in Ayyad’s computer revealed wording identical to that of the text of the communique. Saliva samples from Salameh, Ayyad and a third man, Mahmud Abouhalima, were obtained and compared with the saliva on the envelope flap. A DNA Q Alpha examination concluded that Ayyad had licked the envelope on the communique received by the Times. Abuhalima, who was an integral part of the conspiracy, had fled the United States the day after the bombing, and had later been arrested in Egypt and extradited back to the United States.

Meanwhile investigations at the crime scene continued. All items of potential evidence were documented on the sites, preserving the chain of evidence and the chain of custody. In less than one month, the crime scene investigations were completed. In all, approximately 3,000 pounds of debris were removed from the crime scene and transported to the FBI Laboratory in Washington, D.C.

In September 1992, a man named Ahmad M. Ajaj had entered the United States from Pakistan at New York’s JFK airport. He was arrested on a passport violation. In his checked luggage, Ajaj had numerous manuals and video cassette tapes. These tapes and manuals described methods of manufacturing explosives, including urea nitrate, nitro-glycerine, lead azide, TNT and other high explosives.

Interviews and latent fingerprint examinations identified two other individuals who were an integral part of the bombing conspiracy. The first, Ramzi Yousef, had entered the U.S. on the same flight as Ajaj, but had been deported immediately. Yousef was identified through fingerprints and photospreads as having been associating with Salameh immediately prior to the bombing. His fingerprints were also found in the explosive manuals located in Ajaj’s checked luggage. The second individual, known only as "Yassin", was identified in much the same manner and was probably involved in the packaging and delivery of the bomb on the morning of 26th February.

The FBI Laboratory was under the gun to complete all scientific examinations by 7th July 1993 in compliance with the Speedy Trial Act. A trial date was established for 6th September 1993. During the examination of evidence in the Laboratory, the remains of 3 high-pressure gas cylinders belonging to the AGL Welding Company were identified. A small fragment of red paint with a grey primer was located on one of the metal fragments of the gas cylinder. This paint fragment was compared with the red paint used by AGL on their hydrogen tanks and was found to be the same. On one portion of a fragment of the Ryder truck bed, several fragments of blue plastic, the size of a pin head, were located. These fragments were compared with the plastic from the trash container at the self-storage center premises Salameh had rented and were found to be alike.

Fragments of all four tyres were found at the crime scene and compared with the data on the maintenance scheduled at Ryder. All four tyres were accounted for.

Prior to the trial, the FBI Laboratory’s Special Project Section constructed a scale model of the portion of the Trade Center that was damaged by the blast. The model incorporated push-button fiber optic lighting to depict the location at the crime scene where pertinent items of evidence were found. Once illuminated and described to the jury during the trial, the lights and the model told a very clear and precise story.

During the six month trial, more than 200 witnesses introduced over 1000 exhibits. On 4th March 1994, exactly one year after Salameh’s arrest, the jury found Salameh, Ajaj, Abuhalima and Ayyad guilty on all thirty-eight counts.

Abuhalima was identified during neighborhood investigations at the bomb factory and storage center through a photospread. It was later determined that he was an integral part of the conspiracy. He had fled the United States the day after the bombing and was arrested in Egypt. He was thereafter extradited to the United States.

One can only speculate on how history would be different if Janet Reno and the rest of the Justice Department had taken this information to CIA and asked them to approach this information as a "threat to national security". which in restrospect, it clearly was.
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#1  Anyone care to guess how many times Clinton visited the site?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/26/2004 13:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Sadly, I think we all know the answer to that.
Posted by: JDB || 02/26/2004 20:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Is there a link to this article? I'm sorry to be so stupid, but I just don't see the link. (Just checking the stupidity meter...yah...mine) (...missing links? This isn't the anthropology section, nitwit-Ed)

I've googled and found what I believe is the article at http://www.interpol.int/Public/Publications/ICPR/ICPR469_3.asp.

And thanks for posting this...whoever you are.
Posted by: Quana || 02/26/2004 21:28 Comments || Top||

#4  While the interview was under way, an individual by the name of Mohammad Salameh telephoned Ryder and wanted his security deposit returned.

That always amazed me about this case. Because this cheap idiot prick wanted his 400 bucks back, they rolled up the whole crew.
No wonder they do suicide jobs now.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 22:37 Comments || Top||


Rummy Interview on Fox News Today
Announced a moment ago, Brit Hume will interview SecDef Donald Rumsfeld today, 6:00 PM Eastern, on his Special Report segment on Fox News. It might be only 5 minutes long or it might be 30 minutes - they didn’t say and there’s nothing on the Fox website about it - so it was probably granted too recently to rework their promo page... but you know it will be relevant to the WoT.

Two anti-idiotarians sans the balance bullshit. Rare. Enjoy.
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#1  Great! Special Report is my favorite Cable News show.

How fitting that Brit Hume is interviewing one of our greatest Secretarys of Defense.

Posted by: Daniel King || 02/26/2004 12:33 Comments || Top||

#2  I think Rummy's in Afghanistan, so it'll probably be the shorter time, with an update on the "anti-taliban, hunting-down-and-killing Binny and Ayman" report, along with a "here's the good things going on in Afghan" update. Still, good to see Rumsfeld any time on the unbiased news
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Ack! I'm going to have catch the late night repeat. I won't be around the tv at that time. This is a can't miss. Thanks for the info! :)
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/26/2004 12:40 Comments || Top||

#4  Rumsfeld is just the kind of guy who when asked by Brit "when do think we are going to get bin laden" will reach down to the floor and pull binnys freshly severed head out of a sack, stick it on a pike and continue the interview as if it were nothing more than a potted plant.

"Does that answer your question Brit?"
Posted by: Frank Martin || 02/26/2004 13:36 Comments || Top||

#5  thats nice. now when chainey going to explain himself!
Posted by: muck4doo || 02/26/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||

#6  mucky - Explain what, pray tell? Methinks, you have an infection, son, and I suggest that you get thyself to a doctor with great haste. Thy grey matter is in an accelerated state of decay. Sympathies, etc.
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||

#7  He'll probably explain himself around the time mucky learns to spell, phrase a cogent question and has an intelligent insight.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 02/26/2004 14:59 Comments || Top||

#8  If you're going to insult the VP, at least spell his name right! Wait, you didn't even insult him, did you?
Posted by: Charles || 02/26/2004 15:07 Comments || Top||

#9  mucky's just one of the regulars having fun--just like HalfEmpty (who is still looking for his bong). Remember the Universal Democratic Underground Thread?
Posted by: Dar || 02/26/2004 15:08 Comments || Top||

#10  I think the boy is hung up about Oil etc. Oil is bad; green is good or something. I'd be more concerned for Kerry when his kickbacks to Defense contractors get some light, assuming you can find a paper that prints another viewpoint other than the left's.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/26/2004 15:18 Comments || Top||

#11  I think you're half right Dar, I think there was an original Mucky, but he didn't have staying power. Altho, even his first post was a screaming funny... who knows. He's still AlphaTroll.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||

#12  Alpha Toll - good one, haven't heard that before.

I still miss Murat. I think he blew up or something. Though we've had a few "Murat" posts, I haven't seen one that really sounded like him for a long time. Maybe I just missed them.
Posted by: B || 02/26/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#13  Oh, murat comes by from time to time, and I DO think the poster is really him.

Murat IS a troll, but he's OUR TROLL.
Posted by: Ptah || 02/26/2004 18:34 Comments || Top||

#14  Well that does it. I'll never believe those promo shitheads ever again.
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 19:00 Comments || Top||


Any Time Now
Rebels began moving toward Haiti’s capital of Port-au-Prince on Thursday and are awaiting the order to attack, a guerrilla leader told The Associated Press. The leader, Guy Philippe, said their mission was to arrest President Jean-Bertrand Aristide if he did not resign, so he could be tried on charges ranging from corruption to murder. "We’ve decided to go toward Port-au-Prince. They’re on their way," Philippe said in Cap-Haitien, Haiti’s second-largest city in the north, which fell to the rebels Sunday. "They’re taking their places. They know what to do."
Friday, Sunday at the latest.
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#1  Update: Rebel leader Guy Philippe would not say if an attack was imminent: "It doesn't mean that we're going to attack today. We're just going to take our positions and wait for the right time. They're awaiting the order," he told The Associated Press in an interview in Cap-Haitien, the second-largest city that fell to the rebels with little resistance on Sunday.
Philippe said fighters were converging on the capital from Ouanaminthe in the northeast, Saint-Michel de l'Attaye and Saint-Raphael in the north and Gonaives, a rebel base just (100 kilometers) 70 miles northwest of the capital.
Police fled the last government bastion in central Haiti, the town of Mirebalais, Radio Metropole reported. It said the officers deserted Wednesday night. That left the main road from the Central Plateau town of Hinche open to rebels.
There were no independent eyewitness reports of rebel movement, but there also appeared to be very few fighters in Cap-Haitien, where hundreds were seen Wednesday. Cap-Haitien is just 150 kilometers (90 miles) north of Port-au-Prince, but it is a seven-hour drive over potholed roads sometimes reduced to bedrock.
Haiti's police force, small at just 4,000 for a country 8 million, ill-equipped and trained to deal with rioters not the trained soldiers who are among the guerrillas, has been deserting in droves. Since more than 40 officers were killed in the first 10 days of the rebellion that erupted Feb. 5, police have been deserting posts without a rebel in sight. Dominican soldiers said they turned away 37 Haitian officers trying to flee the country this week.Aristide loyalists have taken to the streets with old rifles and pistols in recent days, and those in St. Marc, west of Port-au-Prince, have been killing supposed rebel sympathizers and torching houses.

On Wednesday, Aristide sent his two daughters on a flight to New York City. "The day of deliverance has come. Aristide's departure is imminent," opposition politician Claire Lydie Parent said Thursday in a radio declaration.
Posted by: Steve || 02/26/2004 14:08 Comments || Top||

#2  BREAKING: Just heard on radio, three helicopters seen taking off from near presidental palace in Haiti. Jean Aristide apparently only has three choppers. Speculation is that he may be bugging out.
Posted by: Steve || 02/26/2004 15:06 Comments || Top||

#3  How much stolen loot can you pack on 3 choppers. Dumb move JB! should've rented a C130
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 16:53 Comments || Top||


Khanfessions of a proliferator
From Jane’s Defense Weekly:
When Pakistan opened its first international arms exhibition in the port city of Karachi, something was amiss. It was November 2000 and there, among defence industry stalls offering tanks, missiles and rifles, was the booth of A Q Khan Research Laboratories (KRL). The display contained a range of conventional military products, including defence electronics and anti-tank missiles. However, KRL is also a top nuclear weapons laboratory and its employees were distributing stacks of glossy brochures that promised technology for producing a nuclear bomb. One of the brochures, a 10-page catalogue from KRL’s Directorate of Vacuum Science and Technology, offered virtually all the components needed to establish a uranium-enrichment plant. The specialised centrifuge pumps, gauges, valves and other components each have civilian uses, but together provide the means to enrich the rare uranium-235 isotope to a particularly pure grade so that it can be used to fuel a nuclear weapon. If there was any doubt as to what was on offer, a second accompanying brochure under the heading of "nuclear-related products" listed "complete ultracentrifuge machines" and other components needed to build a uranium-enrichment plant. JDW readily obtained the brochures on the spot and inquired whether all of the listed items were available for sale. Several KRL officials provided positive assurances that all had government approval for export.
Bombs R’Us
The suppliers of that technology, international investigators would later learn, were part of a clandestine network of scientists, manufacturers and middlemen spread across four continents and with Abdul Qadeer Khan - KRL’s founder - at its head. They operated a blackmarket of atomic expertise so extensive that it was dubbed a ’Nuclear Walmart’ by International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director General Mohammed ElBaradei. Khan "served as director of the network, its leading scientific mind, as well as its primary salesman", US President George Bush said on 11 February. Bush named Buhary Seyed Abu Tahir of Dubai as Khan’s deputy and "both the network’s chief financial officer and money launderer". According to a Malaysian police report, Tahir has admitted his involvement but claims "it was a loose network without a rigid hierarchy or a head and a deputy". At its zenith, Vienna-based diplomats and the police report said, the organisation was a wide-ranging network of suppliers and middlemen providing uranium-enrichment components, blueprints and expertise to Libya, Iran and North Korea. It was Libya that proved the network’s ultimate downfall. Following a decision by Libyan leader Col Muammar Ghadaffi to give up the country’s weapons of mass destruction, the Libyans provided inspectors with intimate details of their programmes, a diplomatic source said.
Never thought I’d be saying this. Thanks, Moammar.
Using information provided by Iran, Libya and later an internal investigation by the Pakistani government, officials have started to unravel the network. They said it started in 1976 after Khan fled the European enrichment consortium, Urenco, where he had been working. According to Dutch court documents, he stole Urenco blueprints for the G-1 and G-2 centrifuges, which with modifications became the P-1 and P-2. Just as important, he used his experience and wide contact base from working at the company to build up the network of suppliers. Khan first used this network to provide the components he would need to establish Pakistan’s uranium-enrichment programme at KRL’s facility in Kahuta. US sources say they believe Khan initially ordered more centrifuge parts from those suppliers than Pakistan needed, selling the excess to Iran. Then, as Pakistan’s own programme progressed and switched from the P-1 to the more sophisticated P-2, Khan sold off the older Pakistani equipment to Iran and then Libya. Khan has also admitted to helping North Korea develop an enrichment plant, providing design information, equipment for centrifuges, as well as uranium hexafluoride gas, say Pakistani sources. The sources claim that assistance continued from 1997 until about 2000. Even more worrisome, US intelligence officials note, they believe Khan shared with Pyongyang designs and details on how to make a working HEU-based nuclear warhead that could be carried atop North Korea’s No Dong missiles.
HEU = Highly Enriched Uranium.
The largest questions remain about how much successive Pakistani governments knew of Khan’s affairs and when they knew it. Following their own investigation, Pakistani officials claim the transfers started in the 1980s and ended by 2001. President Musharraf claims the official Pakistani position is that "no government or military official has been found involved in the activity of proliferation".
"Nope, nope, never happened."
Pakistani officials claim they did not suspect Khan until at least 2000 and even then had no hard evidence. Part of the problem, Pakistani officials said, was the difficulty of questioning a national hero like Khan who had enjoyed virtual autonomy in running the Islamabad’s nuclear programme for over two decades. Pakistani military officials now privately admit that Khan’s extravagant lifestyle should have led to suspicions that he was conducting secret sales of nuclear expertise. Although a special unit of Pakistani intelligence was responsible for ensuring that nuclear technology did not leak out from KRL, true oversight was sorely lacking.
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Nazi and porn stash priest admits church theft
These are the kind of stories that I love Ananova for.
If you have time go to the quirkies section, and be astounded.

A New York priest arrested after allegedly harassing a Brooklyn bishop has confessed to stealing $50,000 from a church. Detectives recovered a bag filled with $88,000 in cash during a search of John Johnston’s apartment in Queens. They also found an assortment of Second World War uniforms and backpacks, busts of Nazi leaders, a collection of both gay and straight pornography and an illegal handgun. As part of a deal with prosecutors, Johnston pleaded guilty to criminal possession of stolen property and will be sentenced to five years’ probation when he returns to court April 16. The 64-year-old priest has also agreed to pay $50,000 in restitution to St Martin of Tours church on Long Island - where he had served for 25 years. "He wanted to make everything right and he made it right, plus interest," said his lawyer, Joseph Stello. "The rest is between him and God," reports the New York Post.
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60 Dead In Clashes In Colombia
At least 60 people were killed in Colombia over the past 24 hours as the military launched new offensive operations a various parts of the country and leftist rebels and right-wing paramilitaries clashed with each other, military officials said. Ten Colombian troops and 21 right-wing paramilitaries were killed as they clashed on a highway near Villanueva, 325 kilometers (202 miles) east of Bogota, a military spokesman said. In a separate operation near Llano Grande, 545 kilometers (339 miles) northwest of the capital, a Colombian brigade killed 17 guerrillas from the left-wing Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), the military said. Four soldiers were injured in the skirmish. Colombian troops seized 38 AK-47s, machine guns, grenades and rifles. They also took landmines, unidentified projectiles, radios and military uniforms. The FARC, with 17,000 guerrillas, is the largest insurgency in the country. About 10,000 paramilitary groups are under the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC), an umbrella organization that has been fighting the Marxist rebels. AUC is holding peace talks with President Alvaro Uribe’s government.
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Israelis, in Raid on Arab Banks, Seize Reputed Terrorist Funds
Israeli forces raided Arab banks on Wednesday in Ramallah, on the West Bank, seizing millions of dollars representing hundreds of institutional and personal accounts that Israel said were financing Palestinian terrorism. It was by far the largest such seizure during more than three years of conflict. Witnesses said soldiers covered the banks’ security cameras with black plastic bags and herded all the employees together before ordering workers with keys to open the vaults. Israeli officials defended the operation, which was still under way late Wednesday, as aimed carefully at terrorist financing and in line with President Bush’s call for action against such funds. But Amin Haddad, the head of the Palestinian Monetary Authority, called the raid a robbery intended to "shake our banking system." He rejected Israeli assertions that the accounts were linked to terrorism. In Washington, the State Department criticized the raid. "Some of these actions that were taken risk destabilizing the Palestinian banking system," said Richard A. Boucher, the department spokesman. "So we’d prefer to see Israeli coordination with the Palestinian financial authorities."

A senior Israeli security official said the money, in various currencies, was still being counted. He said that the total was probably between $6.7 million and $9 million, and that the amount taken from the vaults equaled the sums held in what Israeli intelligence had identified as suspect accounts. Palestinian and Israeli security officials said the Israelis entered branches of the Arab Bank and the Cairo Amman Bank, which are both Jordanian. Palestinian officials said the Israeli troops brought bank computer experts who had been arrested overnight Tuesday to help guide them through the systems. The action, which was led by the Shin Bet security service and included Israeli police forces and the army, recalled Israel’s approach to controlling the occupied territories more than a decade ago, before the Oslo peace process began. It demonstrated the extent of the breakdown between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, which was formed under the Oslo accords to govern and police Palestinians in areas like Ramallah.

Israeli officials said the raid also pointed to the changing nature of Palestinian militant groups, which they said were becoming less ideological and more entrepreneurial, with perpetrators earning specific sums for particular attacks. The senior security official said interrogations of arrested militants showed that an attack might bring its Palestinian planners a minimum of 3,000 to 5,000 shekels, or $673 to $1,122. He also said Israeli intelligence indicated that much of the seized money had come from Iran, funneled through the Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah. The Israeli defense minister, Shaul Mofaz, released a statement late Wednesday saying the seized money would be spent on "humanitarian goals in Palestinian society," like health services, food and "improving the infrastructure at crossing points and checkpoints." The banks were silent about the incident.

In January 2003, Israeli forces took about $7,000 from a branch of the Arab Bank in a Palestinian neighborhood just outside Jerusalem. Officials knowledgeable about the incident said the Bush administration privately rebuked Israel after Jordan complained. Mr. Haddad, the banker, was voluble in his criticism, saying: "This is against all laws and norms. They acted like gangs." Israeli officials said they had alerted Palestinian officials before storming the banks, but Mr. Haddad denied any advance warning. Mr. Boucher said, "According to both Palestinians and Israelis, the operation was not coordinated in any way with the Palestinian financial authorities."

The senior Israeli security official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the Palestinian Authority briefly froze some accounts linked to terrorism last year, but then unfroze them. He said that the Palestinian Authority was not helping Israel at all with counterterrorism and that there was no chance it would have helped in this case. Raanan Gissin, a spokesman for Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said the Israeli action might benefit the Palestinian Authority by weakening rivals like Hamas and Islamic Jihad. "We’re actually providing the opportunity for the Palestinian Authority to regain control," he said. Asked for the legal basis for the operation, Israeli officials cited a directive from the Israeli military commander in the area. They said that the Israeli attorney general consulted on the details, and that Israeli forces took care to avoid provoking a financial panic by seizing only accounts they had identified in advance.

Israeli officials said Palestinians whose accounts were emptied would have the right to appeal the seizure. The largest such account was about $22,000, the senior official said. Palestinians do not have deposit insurance, and it was not immediately clear who would bear the losses. Mr. Haddad said, "The banks who the money was stolen from are responsible for the safety of the deposits." The senior Israeli official said the Israelis had emptied three types of accounts, institutional, personal and family. He cited examples of each: An account held by the Charity Association of Jenin, which he identified as a Hamas front; an account held by a man in Nablus he called a fugitive militant; and an account held by the family of another militant, an account he said held money paid for suicide bombings.

Israeli officials say that over the past year, Hezbollah has significantly increased its financing and direction of all major Palestinian militant groups. The senior official said that Hezbollah paid specifically for each attack, and that interrogations of arrested militants had disclosed an evolving list of prices, which varied depending on whether victims were killed or wounded. He said one militant reported receiving about 10,000 shekels, or $2,237, for planning a suicide bombing last March in Netanya that wounded more than 30 people. As Israeli forces moved in Wednesday morning, the army put the center of Ramallah under curfew. Dozens of Palestinians threw stones at the soldiers, who responded by firing rubber-coated steel pellets, the army said. Palestinian hospital officials reported 17 people wounded, three seriously. They said some wounds were caused by live ammunition.

[Two Palestinian gunmen were shot and killed Thursday by Israeli security officers after the gunmen killed an Israeli during a raid on an industrial zone along the Gaza Strip border, Reuters reported.]
Posted by: Geoffrey M. LaMear || 02/26/2004 10:11:33 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I heard coverage of this raid on NPR yesterday. The bias has never been clearer. The time devoted to interviewing/espousing Palestinian commentators and civilians was at least three times more than the time alotted the Israeli viewpoint; there was zero contextualizing of the facts of Palestinian financial corruption (Totenberg or whoever noted that the total was $9 million shekels=$700K vs. the BILLIONS Arafat has embezzled); and zero discussion of the Palestinian terrorist attacks that Israeli suffers from on a DAILY BASIS.
Posted by: mjh || 02/26/2004 10:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Army of Steve posted first -- see below. We strike again!
Posted by: Steve White || 02/26/2004 11:18 Comments || Top||

#3  That's pretty harsh there, mjh. If you're really interested, hit npr's website and check out what the Ombudsman has said on the same subject. NPR's coverage of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict has been consistently fair. NPR receives complaints about the same coverage from BOTH sides at once. Remember, this is a very difficult and highly charged issue and their unbiased view bothers those who would prefer they vilify one and champion the other. Note: In yesterday's coverage, they stated the facts as they gathered them with no declaration of sympathy for the Palestinians or the Israelis. Do a little research and then come back and re post.
Posted by: chainhead || 02/26/2004 11:39 Comments || Top||

#4  chainhead...I'm not talking about their overall coverage, although their treatment of this story does shed some light on that. Did they even mention the rampant financial corruption that has filtered hundreds of millions of dollars from the PA accounts to Arafat's personal fortune? Do you think any story about the PA banking system should exclude this very relevant fact? Especially when, in the story that I heard, they mention the issue of Israel's wall going up (an issue which is not directly related to an Israeli raid on terrorist accounts in PA banks).

That's not fair. That's not balanced. That's not unbiased. But thanks for trying...
Posted by: mjh || 02/26/2004 12:33 Comments || Top||

#5  BTW, chainhead...I don't appreciate the patronizing tone of your comment. Just because I choose NOT to confer moral equality on the actions of Palestinians and Israelis does not mean I am un-enlightened or poorly researched on the subject.

Further, invoking complaints from both sides of an issue does NOT imply fairness of coverage, when one side of a debate exercises no judgment or restraint in issuing complaints of any kind, while the other has become sufficiently inured to issuing complaints due to the breathtaking lack of sympathy and appreciation their restraint garners from lefty academics and the "enlightened" intelligencia of the post modern, western elite. A class of which you are, no doubt, a proud member.
Posted by: mjh || 02/26/2004 12:39 Comments || Top||

#6  Let me be clear, mjh. My comments were not on your education or views, only on NPR's coverage. I mentioned the fact the neither is happy about NPR's coverage as indicative of the near impossibility of covering the subject in a way acceptable to all, or nearly any.

Additionally, the Israelis didn't claim they conducted their operation due to funds going to pad Arafat's, but in search of funds linked to other terrorist groups. In this regard, I don't see not mentioning Arafat as a huge error on their part.

I don't appreciate being arbitrarily placed in any group simply because I challenge your assertion re NPR. However, I do apologize for anything that came across as patronizing to you. My comment concerning research was only concerning the subject of NPR's coverage, again not your relative education/intelligence.
Posted by: chainhead || 02/26/2004 13:22 Comments || Top||

#7  Fair enough, chainhead. As you note, it is a subject about which passions flare easily. My patience is thin for the people known as "trolls"...which you clearly are not. I appreciate your input and apologize if I offended by pigeonholing you.

I do take issue with NPR not mentioning Arafat's embezzlement, as they addressed the overall solvency of the PA banking system and implied that Israel's operation was putting that at risk. IMHO, Arafat's looting has put all PA institutions at risk, and merited some mention.

It's frustrating to me that this man who claims to represent a people, and yet impoverishes them for his own enrichment, gets a free pass.

Of course, I may be injecting my own biases and emotion into the debate.

Sorry for flying off the handle. I hate ad hominem attacks, it's a sign of a weak argument, so I apologize.

:)
Posted by: mjh || 02/26/2004 13:34 Comments || Top||

#8  haha.. thanks for the response, mjh. I can appreciate your thin patience for trolls. I agree with you about Arafat. I still don't know why he hasn't been challenged, in any real way, concerning his involvement in the assassination of Noel and Moore (+1 Belgian) in Khartoum back in 1973. Nobel Peace Prize? How much can one man change? Apparently, not much.
Posted by: chainhead || 02/26/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||

#9  im a liberal, who often likes NPR. im not one of the routine liberal bashers here, as many will attest - i voted for clinton twice, and may yet end up voting for Kerry.

That said, i think its abundantly clear that NPR's coverage of the middle east is strongly biased against Israel. I too have seen the ombudsman site - indeed i have complained to them. The fact that people have complained its too pro-Israel tells you nothing, without knowing whos complaining or what their complaint is. I have been on one site where someone said (only half in jest) that the BBC was too pro-American, since it didnt proclaim every day that Bush and Blair were war criminals.

NPR has some folks in the National Bureaus (Daniell Schorr and Scott Simon) who seem sympathetic to a Labor, dovish Israeli point of view. The coverage coming from the NOR reporter in the middle east however, is not even sympathetic to Israeli doves (at least mainstream ones) but is reflexivly hostile to Israel. This is because NPR's foreign editor is Loren Jenkins, who made his career reporting on the Sabra-Shatilla massacres, which he blames on Israel, and which is the lens through which he views the entire mideast.

IIRC, the ombudsman site suggests there is internal controversy in NPR about the mideast coverage (presumably schorr, Scott and some of the other DC folks vs Jenkins) but that the pressure from pro-Israel folks makes it hard to conduct this discussion. Maybe thats true, although its suspiciously self-serving.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 14:49 Comments || Top||

#10  What would really send them into a hissy fit would be to give the money to the homicide victims. Also I think that this is a great way to conduct the war on terror. Lets say we go over and make a BIG withdrawal from the 1st Terrorist Bank of Beirut!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/26/2004 17:05 Comments || Top||

#11  The notion you can report news in a balanced way without bias is false. The problem is not there is bias. The problem is UNIFORMITY of bias in the mainstream media. This is why Fox drives the Left nuts. It breaking with the uniformity of bias and presenting a different bias.

Speaking as a news junkie who now gets 90% of his news from sources like Rantburg, although with not necessarily the same biases as RB. I like the fact I can now choose the bias I want to hear and that may be more than one bias on a single topic.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/26/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||

#12  NPR = Not Politically Reliable
NPR = Not Particularly Relevant

Whatever term you use, they are a bunch of socialist sympathizers and enablers.
Posted by: badanov || 02/26/2004 18:53 Comments || Top||

#13  I appreciate the dialogue that this subject has drummed up. I realize I am erring to say NPR or any news service can give a truly unbiased view of situations as they really are, but I do think NPR is trying to do the subject justice. Thanks for the information about the correspondents and their backgrounds. I think I need to do a bit more research myself. Haha.. full circle.

:)
Posted by: chainhead || 02/26/2004 21:48 Comments || Top||

#14  "Unbiased journalism" was invented out of whole cloth in the 1890s, to sell more newspapers.

I started listening to NPR in the early 90s, when I got tired of all the commercial radio stations and just wanted to leave the radio on one station without listening to advertisements. I was shocked at how much time they devoted to Isreali issues. To suggest that they are somehow unbiased is disingenious.
Posted by: gromky || 02/27/2004 8:01 Comments || Top||


Britain Spied On Kofi Annan In Run-Up to Iraq War: Ex-Minister
British intelligence spied on UN Secretary General Kofi Annan in the run-up to the Iraq war, former British cabinet minister Clare Short said. "Yes, absolutely... These things are done, and in the case of Kofi’s office it’s been done for some time," said Short in an interview on BBC radio, adding that she had read transcripts of Annan’s conversations. Short, one of the longest-serving members of Prime Minister Tony Blair’s government, quit as secretary for international development in May last year in protest over the Iraq war.
I thought Tony dumped her? Or was it a case of "resign or be tossed"?
Blair was to hold his regular monthly press conference at Downing Street later Thursday. Ahead of his press conference, a Downing Street spokesman told AFP: "We never comment on intelligence matters." He added: "Our intelligence and security agencies act in accordance with national and international law at all times"

On Wednesday, prosecutors in London dropped their case against Katharine Gun, a British intelligence translator who had leaked a US intelligence memo requesting Britain’s help in spying on non-aligned UN Security Council members. The top-secret memo was sent in January last year, when Britain and the United States were trying to get a green light from the United Nations to launch the invasion of Iraq. Angola, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Chile, Guinea and Pakistan were the UN Security Council members named in the memo from the UN National Security Agency as targets of the eavesdropping effort.

Prosecutors said they were dropping their case against Gun because they felt they did not have enough evidence to secure a conviction. But Gun’s lawyers speculated that the real reason was because a trial would have forced the government to reveal details of Attorney General Lord Peter Goldsmith’s controversial legal opinion in support of the Iraq war. Short’s sensational claim emerged during an interview on BBC radio’s "Today" programme about the Gun case. "Spying in the United Nations is quite different, isn’t it?" she was asked.
Short replied: "Well indeed, but these things are done, and in the case of Kofi’s office it’s been done for some time."

Interviewer: "Let me repeat the question. Do you believe Britain has been involved in it?"

Short: "Well, I know. I’ve seen transcripts of Kofi Annan’s conversations. In fact I’ve had conversations with Kofi in the run-up to war, thinking: ’Oh dear, there will be a transcript of this and people will see what he and I are saying’."

Interviewer: "So in other words, British spies ... have been instructed to carry out operations within the UN on people like Kofi Annan."

Short: "Yes, absolutely."

Interviewer: "Did you know about this when you were in government?"

Short: "Absolutely. I read some of the transcripts of the accounts of his conversations."

Interviewer: "Is this legal?"

Short: "I don’t know. I presume so. It’s odd. I don’t know about the legalities." She went on to say that the real issue, in her opinion, was the broader legality of the Iraq war.
Posted by: Geoffrey M. LaMear || 02/26/2004 9:52:41 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  One would hope so. This is why Britain has a foreign intelligence service - to read the other side's mail. Policy-makers need to know what the other side is thinking before negotiations actually take place.

Clare Short is an example of the kind of Bolshie twit that should never have been an MP in the first place, let alone a member of the Cabinet. But that's the Labor Party for you. Short does not exist in a vacuum - significant chunks of Labor see the UN Secretary General as the Holy Trinity all rolled into one (or they would if they believed in God - they are Bolshies, after all). This is why Blair is an unreliable partner at best, being a creature of the Labor Party, and the best hope for a better relationship with Britain is the election of a Tory majority.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 02/26/2004 10:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Judging by the state of the Tory party at the moment I wouldn't hold out much hope of that, Zhang m'dear.
Posted by: Howard UK || 02/26/2004 10:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Am I the only one to think that this is... treason?
Posted by: True German Ally || 02/26/2004 10:52 Comments || Top||

#4  You stole my RANT! I was getting ready to post this too ;-) But here are my comments:
Here is my Readers Digest of the Article: Two people who had been cleared for classified information admitted disclosing that information UNLAWFULLY. They did this because they found out that an OVERT spy agency was spying on/and for other governments. What are the laws in Britain about incriminating yourself? In the U.S. these two would have been hauled away (and rightly so) to the nearest Federal prison. Also GCHQ needs a better screening process if Mrs. Gun is an example of what they are hiring today. It’s good to be idealistic but what did Mrs. Gun think she was going to be doing as an ?Arab? translator at GCHQ? She may be smart enough to learn a language but lacking in the common sense department.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/26/2004 10:54 Comments || Top||

#5  Blair lets the blatant, self-confessed traitor, Gun, walk free from justice and now Short understandably thinks she's also been granted a free pass to tell the world the nation's security secrets with impunity.

Of course Blair's furious over this, but he's only got himself to blame. Lefties have once again demonstrated that they shouldn't be allowed access to intelligence material. The concept of national security's something they simply neither respect nor understand.
Posted by: Bulldog || 02/26/2004 11:02 Comments || Top||

#6  Short does not exist in a vacuum -

My good man, she certainly thinks in one.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/26/2004 11:08 Comments || Top||

#7  CS, The lowdown on Gun and her "independent mind" can be found here.

She's a Mandarin, not Arab, linguist. She learnt Chinese through spending a childhood on Taiwan.
Posted by: Bulldog || 02/26/2004 11:25 Comments || Top||

#8  short should be hung for treason and if i were in power it would have already been done.I hate the munter anyway but now i really feel shes gone to far and is simply a waste of our oxygen
Posted by: Jon Shep U.K || 02/26/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#9  Thanks Bulldog, I had the worng language. What is the law on incrimination? They admitted guilt. If Tony still has a pair he should arrest them.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/26/2004 13:21 Comments || Top||

#10  Bulldog, after reading that article I have concluded that that family is either way out of touch will reality or they are complete imbeciles. They have no idea how the world or the U.N. works. If that is the brightest at GCHQ then I understand the ‘intelligence gap.’ BTW how did an obviously high-level classified Email get in the hands on a low-level linguist? Something is fishy here.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/26/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#11  Is it The Bulldog? If so how 'ya been?
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 13:50 Comments || Top||

#12  Very fishy. Seems to me that it's most likely someone more senior used (the bored, naive) Gun as a willing conduit for publication of the email. There's probably a bigger stinking fish or two still at large in GCHQ.

Something was obviously amiss with vetting, and it seems as though it was a soft department: "I'm a pretty emotional person and I felt I just couldn't go on working there after what I had done. I went to my line manager. I trusted her and respected her. She put her arm around me and I was crying on her shoulder. She was great about it." PC-corrosion, anyone?

I'm not sure what you mean by the law on incrimination. Both Gun and Short are obviously in breach of the Official Secrets Act, and Gun helpfully admitted it. Self-incrimination should just make the process of prosecution easier, which makes the fact that Gun isn't going to be prosecuted even more outrageous.
Posted by: Bulldog || 02/26/2004 13:55 Comments || Top||

#13  Hey Shipman! Good thanks. And yourself?

Hope the 'Burgers all had enjoyable Christmases and New Years.
Posted by: Bulldog || 02/26/2004 14:04 Comments || Top||

#14  Short does not exist in a vacuum - Nor for that matter can anyone else. Let's try it and know fur sure.

dorf
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/26/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#15  You know your diplomacy is in trouble when NOBODY bothers to spy on you.
Gerhard? Don't you feel kinda ummm left out? They spied at Mexico, Chile, Cameroon... and Kofi (what could they have learned from Kofi???)
But... nobody spied on Germany? Oh boy...
Posted by: True German Ally || 02/26/2004 14:37 Comments || Top||

#16  Something is very wrong with the vetting process - don't forget the business with David 'My God, the SIS spy on Johnny foreigner' Shaler. If she was getting access to this sort of stuff on a regular basis she should have been DV'd (DV: Developed Vetting, needed before you have access to TS info), the DV process is/was pretty thorough & I'd like to think that someone this naive would have been clocked for the cloud-dweller she was. But then again, the DVA didn't catch Shaler...
If she wasn't cleared & someone passed on this info (I'm guessing info about an on-going espionage operation would be at least classified as TS) then that someone's head needs to roll.
Posted by: Dave || 02/26/2004 14:51 Comments || Top||

#17  It's possible Gun's prosecution fell through, not because of Number 10's cold feet, but because GCHQ had already discovered, one way or another, who'd passed on the email originally...
Posted by: Bulldog || 02/26/2004 15:06 Comments || Top||

#18  Well, well, Bulldog and TGA posting in the same thread. That's quite a European re-union. No wait, forget I said that!
Posted by: Matt || 02/26/2004 15:44 Comments || Top||

#19  Lets hope so, but if so the fact that someone further up the foodchain's been caught needs to be made public pretty quickly, otherwise the OSA will look distinctly toothless.
Lord Goldsmith's comments are really cute though, Blair et al take us for cretins:
Lord Goldsmith said they could prove the Official Secrets Act was breached.
But senior government lawyers did not believe it was easy to overcome Mrs Gun's defence of "necessity" - that she felt a duty to act to prevent an unlawful war.

Defence of 'necessity'? There's no public interest clause in the OSA, surprisingly enough! You leak classified info & you go down (or should go down) period. It's not as if there are complex legal issues at stake here!
Posted by: Dave || 02/26/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#20  Add WHISTLEBLOWER to the list of protected classes for which it is politically incorrect to hold legally accountable for their crimes. The dominant left-wing media will go ballistic on any government that is unpleasant to lawbreaking whistleblowers, homosexuals, left-wing women, people of color, the mentally ill, physically disabled, recent immigrants, members of certain linguistic groups such as Hispanics, etal.
Posted by: Garrison || 02/26/2004 18:08 Comments || Top||

#21  Dave is right about the OSA, but there is also a whistleblower act that protects whistleblowers. It may well be that Ms Gunn could have mounted a defence based on this law. Anyway the government should have taken it to the courts to find and if necessary amend the law.

Otherwise what the heck do people think spies do? Compile nifty crossword puzzles?
Posted by: phil_b || 02/26/2004 18:40 Comments || Top||


Washington lifts Libya travel ban
The US has lifted a long-standing ban on its citizens travelling to Libya, White House officials say. The move is seen as a reward for Libya’s decision to scrap its nuclear arms programmes.
Here’s your carrot, play nice now.
It follows Tripoli’s affirmation on Wednesday that it stood by its acceptance of responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing in 1988. Earlier remarks by Prime Minister Shokri Ghanem had led to plans to lift the travel ban being put on hold.
Till they flipped.
Posted by: Steve || 02/26/2004 9:51:14 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  quid, meet quo
Posted by: Spot || 02/26/2004 10:28 Comments || Top||

#2  I volunteer to lead the first Rantburger's trade summit. Provided I am afforded a security detail similar to K/Qhaddafi's...heh.

Seriously, has anyone been to Tripoli? Any potential for a Mediterranean Renaissance on the Southern Shore?
Posted by: mjh || 02/26/2004 10:35 Comments || Top||

#3  I'm going to Libya! Yeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!
Posted by: Special Ed || 02/26/2004 11:28 Comments || Top||

#4  Fred, let me know when the NCO Club at Wheelus is back in operation. I might even pitch in and join. Not much on clubs, though, unless they've got a good spread, at reasonable prices.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/26/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#5  Hell OP, don't worry about reasonable prices, think of the convenience.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 18:13 Comments || Top||


Was Hanoi Jane responsible for US POW deaths in Vietnam?
A former prisoner of war in Vietnam tells the following story about one pathetic pawn of KGB disinformation, Jane Fonda. In 1978, there was a meeting in Hanoi between American POWs and a "peace delegation" led by Fonda, who had gone to north Vietnam without U.S. approval. In order to let the world know that they were still alive, the American prisoners secretly palmed tiny slips of paper with their Social Security numbers on them. As they were paraded before Jane Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line and asked polite little questions, such as: "Aren’t you sorry you bombed babies?" and, "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this had to be an act, the prisoners all slipped her their messages. She took them all, but once the camera stopped rolling, she turned to the north Vietnamese officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three prisoners died from their subsequent beatings.

Words fail me. Read the rest - about the organized Soviet effort to spread lies about the US - and its repercussions in Europe - at this link.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 02/26/2004 9:47:42 AM || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Snopes found some parts of the stories about Jane Fonda in Hanoi to be credible, and some parts, including the story about the SS#'s on slips of paper, to be "proveably untrue". I recommend that you follow this link and read it thoroughly.
Posted by: Seafarious || 02/26/2004 9:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Anti-War Movement=Soviet Stooges.
Kerry=Take your pick of Moe, Larry, or Curly.
Posted by: joe || 02/26/2004 10:08 Comments || Top||

#3  Except Hanoi Jane was not a pathetic pawn but knew full well what she was doing. She was in her 30's at the time -- not 'young and naive'....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/26/2004 10:09 Comments || Top||

#4  OK, so we can't link Hanoi Jane directly to any deaths of US servicemen. However, the rest of the article pegs the source of Kerry's antiwar propaganda pretty well.

Kerry was one of the Soviets' useful idiots. Today, he's just an idiot.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/26/2004 10:16 Comments || Top||

#5  Andropov was a shrewd judge of human nature. He understood that in the end our original involvement would be forgotten, and our insinuations would take on a life of their own.

Wow. I have been wondering where this notion of the US as the root of all evil had come from, even in the face of evidence of much greater evil on the part of the USSR. From recent rhetoric one might think that the Soviet Union had never existed, had never stirred up trouble around the globe, that US actions for the past 60 years had occurred in a vacuum. I wondered whether Soviet propaganda had a part in it, thriving and circulating even after the death of its creators. But I thought I was being too paranoid. I'm still far from convinced.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 02/26/2004 11:41 Comments || Top||

#6  I don't care if she is the "hottest" 60-soemthing year old babe in the world.

Never forgive what she did, and will never forget.
Posted by: alaskasoldier || 02/26/2004 13:28 Comments || Top||

#7  Jane Fonda was NOT a mere traitor. She was complice in the massacre of Hue, in the countless war crimes perpatrated by the VC and the NVA, she has a responsibility in the Cambodian genocide. She is a war criminal, a baby killer and deserves to be hanged.
Posted by: JFM || 02/26/2004 18:05 Comments || Top||

#8  Gent, If memory serves I think you'll find that it wasn't Fonda but another woman missionary that handed the notes back. Seems she was a German named Corrie, or maybe Corinne, that made several trips there. The event actually happened but the names are confusing now. I remember when this was brought to light. TW
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/26/2004 18:25 Comments || Top||

#9  Jane Fonda needs to surrender to the nearest US attorney, and confess her treason, so the whole world can finally find out who the enemy is even after the dissolutionn of the USSR.

Iffin Kerry gets the left's nomination, 2004 will be a fun, and hopefully enlightening year.
Posted by: badanov || 02/26/2004 18:59 Comments || Top||

#10  Nothing will happen to her. Here. However, she better hope she never dies, as a special place in Hell awaits.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 23:18 Comments || Top||


Namibia plans white land seizures
Namibia will start to forcibly take land from white farmers to give to landless blacks, the government says.
Cuz, it worked so well in Zimbabwe.
Prime minister Theo-Ben Gurirab said in a national address that land reform had to be speeded up but it would remain orderly and peaceful.
Unless they don’t want to leave.
The government has so far only purchased land from farmers who wish to sell for redistribution to some 240,000 people waiting to be settled. About 4,000, mostly white, farmers own almost half of Namibia’s arable land. Mr Gurirab did not give details of how many farms would be seized or when the programme would start.
"All" and "soon".
However, he said the farmers would be fairly compensated.
Depending on your definition of the word "fair".
Last year, some Namibian farm workers threatened to invade white-owned farms and the BBC’s Frauke Jensen in Windhoek says political pressure ahead of this year’s elections may have influenced the government announcement.
No shit.
Mr Gurirab urged those waiting to be resettled to remain patient. "The expropriation of land is being introduced to accelerate the land reform process in the country. However, the introduction does not signal the doing away with the principle of willing-buyer-willing-seller; the two interventions will actually run concurrently," he said.
"We’ll make them an offer they can’t refuse."
He blamed the delay on arbitrary inflation of land prices and unavailability of productive land. Since independence in 1990, the government has purchased 118 farms for $105m, resettling 37,100 individuals, according to official figures. Namibia’s President Sam Nujoma, who is a close ally of Zimbabwe’s Robert Mugabe, is due to step down from power later this year.
Following in his "friends" footsteps, I’ll believe he steps down when I see it. Enjoy the famine.
Posted by: Steve || 02/26/2004 9:46:24 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Probably need to limit posts so that ample room will remain for the flood of protests from academia and leftist groups protesting the racism inherent in this action. Your server will, I'm sure, be overwhelmed.
Posted by: Highlander || 02/26/2004 10:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Highlander - you forgot to close with (/sarcasm). In all these articles that quote the percentage of "arable land" I wonder how that was established. Is this the % of land possibly arable (i.e.: no mountain slopes or rock outcrops) or the % arable because the evil white usurpers farmers (and their black laborers, of course) cleared the land, irrigated it, and made it arable? Big diff in the moral outrage argument. To my knowledge these lands were not cultivated prior to colonization to any great extent, either here, or in Bobland. It was subsistence farming at best
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 10:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Frank, you ought to read what the lovely white German farmers of South West Africa did, and what the German govt did for them. Try googling "Herrero" "Trotha" "extermination" or some combination.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 13:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Which doesnt mean that this land seizure is a good idea.

Doesnt prove its a bad idea. Forced (but compensated) seizures have been part of succesful land reforms, including, IIUC, Taiwan.
Problems in Zim-bob-we include fast pace which aggravated loss of skills, lack of compensation, and allocation of land to political cronies rather than in a more rational manner. Not clear from the above is that is the way Namibia is headed.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 13:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Still waitin for my 40 and a mule.
Posted by: Spike Lee || 02/26/2004 13:53 Comments || Top||

#6  Yeah, LH, I'd buy that if the expropriations were based on a criterion other than race. The old saw that -- "We're seizing some farms for land reform. It's only a coincidence that we're seizing them from only white farmers. And, by the way, if you challenge our interpretation, that's clearly racist."-- isn't as widely accepted as it once was.
Posted by: Highlander || 02/26/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||

#7  Spot on, Frank. Unfortunately these guys wish to return to living in caves and digging up roots of plants to eat. When there are no more, they will ask for Aid and then loot the warehouse.
LH, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and mine is that you are a lost soul looking for a horse to whip, (or you're having a laugh). (Am I allowed to say that, as it is an opinion based on the fact I read your post)? Post-Independance Africa has been truely massively big on the bummer scale for a lot of people, and only a small proportion were White. Fact, not based on opinion, other than quality of life for all people
Posted by: Rhodesiafever || 02/26/2004 14:50 Comments || Top||

#8  Pre-independence africa was also a bummer, particularly outside of the British colonies.

Look, if you want to argue that British imperialism in africa was largely a good thing(at least OUTSIDE of Southern Rhodesia and South Africa), i'll listen, and to a great extent agree. If you want to say that about French imperialism in africa, I'll listen with some skepticism. If you want to say that about Belgian and German imperialism, i'll listen, but i'l' think you're crazy or having you own laugh.

The Germans wiped out most of the Hererro. The belgians enslaved people. Brazza, the frenchman who FOUNDED French Congo, was shocked at how the area had been depopulated during the rubber boom.

Does that mean the africans should blame all their problems on imperialism - of course not - you need only look and see that SOME of african countries have managed to overcome their problems and make progress - (i would note that at least till now Namibia has been relatively successful)
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 16:03 Comments || Top||

#9  highlander

are there any large farms in either Zim or Namib that are not owned by whites?

have you read the history of how the whites ended up with the land in Zimbabwe? the ndebele had taken over Mashonaland. Rhodes et al told the king of ndebele (no nice guy himself) that they wanted mineral rights in mashonaland. they then took the place over and parceled out the land among WHITE SETTLERS only. The Ndebele, went on the war path against some Mashona, on what had become white territory. Rhodes then went to war against the Ndebele. He confiscated almost all the land, on the grounds that it had been state land, although in fact royal control of most land was nominal. He then parcelled it out among WHITE SETTLERS. HUGE parcels.

And the Boers in the Transvaal had a history of just grabbing land from blacks with even less justification. In fact the main reason to excuse Rhodes is that if he hadnt gone in,the land would just have been taken by the Boers anyway, and they would have been even worse for blacks then Rhodesia was.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 16:09 Comments || Top||

#10  frank G - how is subsistence farming not cultivation? if theres no particular market for a cash crop, subsitence farming is economically logical. Plenty of Americans ran subsistence farms in the early US, especially in New England and the less fertile parts of the South (the mountains and elsewhere)
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||

#11  LH, or should that be Freedom-fighter? So a white Rhodesian is nominally better than an Ndebele, much better than a Boer, and nowhere near as good as a Mashona. You have obviously done some research on the subject
Posted by: Rhodesiafever || 02/26/2004 17:36 Comments || Top||

#12  Spike - I'm waiting, too. I need the mule so there'll be something on the property more stubborn than I am (although just slightly...). I've got my 40 picked out - NICE country! Will let the entire world know if/when I get it!

As for Namibia, I'd be happy to see the black Namibians take over as much farmland as there is from white settlers - as soon as they can prove they have the same capacity for growing food on it. Bob's "transition" was a farce, and resulted in the biggest disaster Zimbabwe has faced in forever. You's think the people of Namibia would look at that and do a bit of thinking, but guess not.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/26/2004 19:58 Comments || Top||

#13  At the risk of stating the obvious all the farmland in the world was expropriated by force at some time (from hunter gatherers and subsdidence farmers). It just happened more recently in some places.

A second point is that the British had a colonial infrastructure that acted to stop excesses by individual and groups of individuals. Germany being a much more recent colonial power largely lacked this infrastructure.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/26/2004 20:01 Comments || Top||

#14  LH - subsistence farming, while fine, is small scale and subject to the slightest disruption by drought, locusts, etc. I don't think the appropriation of the farms is in any way a good thing for black OR whites. Zim is a cankersore where it once was a breadbasket. I do not believe the workers on white farms would disagree. As it is now, they are fed, paid, and have a future. When the parcelling out to (black gov't) cronies is done, there will be death, hunger, and crime. IIUC There is no knowledgeable class (at this stage)among the blacks about how to run large farming ventures, and in any case, those receiving the farms are not those who give a f&*k about them except how much they can steal and strip before the land goes fallow. I call that a crime against all colors
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 20:40 Comments || Top||

#15  Dammit! Now I have to double down on the famine pool! Friggin' Namibia!
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 21:21 Comments || Top||


Qatar Charges Suspected Chechen Assassins
Qatar on Wednesday charged two suspects in the assassination of former Chechen President Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev. Yandarbiyev, 51, was killed Feb. 13 when a bomb destroyed his car after he left a Doha mosque where he attended Friday Muslim prayers. His teenage son was wounded. The Interior Ministry said Wednesday that two suspects detained for questioning since Feb.19 were charged with murder. The two suspects were not identified.
Arabs? Russers? Chechens? Samoans? Esquimaux? Veps? C'mon! At least give us a clue!
Yandarbiyev, Chechnya’s acting president in 1996-1997, had lived in Qatar since 2000 and was wanted by Russian authorities for suspected terrorism and links to al-Qaida. Moscow had been seeking his extradition. His assassination occurred one week after a bombing in a Moscow subway killed 41 people and wounded more than 100. President Vladimir Putin blamed Chechen rebels for the bombing.
That kinda sorta makes me lean toward the Russers as the probable culprits, but there are lots of others with reasons, some of them frivolous, to want him to go "boom!"
An aide to Yandarbiyev, Ibrahim Gabi, has blamed the Kremlin for Yandarbiyev’s killing, a pro-rebel Web site reported. Last year, the United Nations put Yandarbiyev on a list of people with alleged links to al-Qaida. Washington also put him on a list of international terrorists subject to financial sanctions.
Guess it could even have been us. Steve? Was that you? Dan? Frank? 'Fess up...
Posted by: Geoffrey M. LaMear || 02/26/2004 9:37:44 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  My lawyers have advised me not to comment at this time.
Posted by: Steve || 02/26/2004 11:42 Comments || Top||

#2  I've been here in San Diego all week .....except for that lost weekend....
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 11:54 Comments || Top||

#3  It wasn't a nuke, so it wasn't me...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/26/2004 12:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Why I don't know what you're talking about, I've been "in custody" the whole time ...
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/26/2004 16:39 Comments || Top||

#5  I think it was Mucky.
I was too busy working on my Most Holy Places In Islam Encyclopedia. Up to Vol.96, C through D.
So it wasn't me.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 21:27 Comments || Top||


Racist Rep Corrine Brown Rips Bush Admin over Haiti
Caught via Instapundit
MIAMI - U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown verbally attacked a top Bush administration official during a briefing on the Haiti crisis Wednesday, calling the President’s policy on the beleaguered nation "racist" and his representatives "a bunch of white men."
Time for you to resign, beeatch!
Her outburst was directed at Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega during a closed-door meeting on Capitol Hill. Noriega, a Mexican-American, is the State Department’s top official for Latin America. "I think it was an emotional response of her frustration with the administration," said David Simon, a spokesman for the Jacksonville Democrat. He noted that Brown, who is black, is "very passionate about Haiti."
"And a loud mouthed racist idiot. Can you imagine how hard it is to come out here and try and spin this shit?"
Brown sat directly across the table from Noriega and yelled into a microphone. Her comments sent a hush over the hourlong meeting, which was attended by about 30 people, including several members of Congress and Bush administration officials. Noriega later told Brown: "As a Mexican-American, I deeply resent being called a racist and branded a white man," according to three participants. Brown then told him "you all look alike to me," the participants said.
nice....
During the meeting, Brown criticized the administration’s response to the escalating violence in Haiti, where rebels opposing President Jean-Bertrand Aristide’s government have seized control of large parts of the country. After her comments about white men, Noriega said he would "relay that to (Secretary of State) Colin Powell and (national security adviser) Condoleezza Rice the next time I run into them," participants said. Powell and Rice are black.
OUCH!
A State department spokesman did not return a phone message. U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, R-West Palm Beach, who organized the meeting, called the comments "disappointing."
A master of understatement, he is...
"To sit there and browbeat this man who is a Mexican-American and call him names, it was inappropriate," Foley said.
Foley could’ve done better than that. Apparently he needs Cuban votes?
Brown has criticized the detention of Haitian migrants fleeing their country and the freezing of millions of dollars in aid over flawed 2000 legislative elections in the impoverished Caribbean nation. In a statement Wednesday, she made parallels to the disputed 2000 election in Florida. "It simply mystifies me how President Bush, a president who was selected by the Supreme Court under more than questionable circumstances (in my district alone 27,000 votes were thrown out), is telling another country that their elections were not fair and that they are therefore undeserving of aid or international recognition," Brown said.
What an ass
Participants at the meeting included eight members of Florida’s congressional delegation, U.S. Reps. Christopher Cox, R-Calif., and Maxine Waters, D-Calif.; John Maisto, U.S. Ambassador to the Organization of American States, and Adolfo Franco, an assistant administrator with the U.S. Agency for International Development.
Rep. Brown needs to feel the full weight of outrage that Trent Lott and several others have suffered for far less and less deliberate comments. Time to turn up the heat on Corrine. I’m sure the Dems will take the lead on this (/sarcasm)
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 9:36:35 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Being a Democrat means never being called a racist, no matter how big of a racist ass you are. Brown, Byrd -- same crap, different bags.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/26/2004 9:43 Comments || Top||

#2  not quite the same, Byrd (the WV Senator) did repent for being in the KKK (although he repented more contritely for airline deregulation). I doubt Rep. Brown will repent or apologize or even be critized by her party.
Posted by: mhw || 02/26/2004 9:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Brown then told him "you all look alike to me," the participants said.

The fact that a Black member of Congress can get away with being a blatant racist without so much as word from her colleagues is a testimony to the depths the Democrats have sunk, as well as the hypocrisy and vacuum of leadership in the Black community.
Posted by: anymouse || 02/26/2004 9:56 Comments || Top||

#4  She's just looking to increase the size of the black vote. In a way, it's no different from Hispanic representatives trying to increase the size of the Hispanic vote by calling efforts to restrict illegal immigration racist. The main difference is that it's a lot more difficult for Haitians to make their way across a large body of water than it is for Latin Americans to come across the Rio Grande.

Thankfully, even the voting blocs themselves feel the pain (in terms of lower wages) from illegal immigrants. Eventually, this will become such a vote-loser that no politician will bring up open borders in an attempt to pander to ethnic blocs.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 02/26/2004 9:56 Comments || Top||

#5  not quite the same, Byrd (the WV Senator) did repent for being in the KKK

Uh, yeah. He repented so much he still uses the term "nigger" freely enough that he let it slip out on TV.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/26/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#6  Well, so far no calls for her to resign from any of her colleagues, and no calls to censure her. Must be a delay on the news wire.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/26/2004 10:47 Comments || Top||

#7  I wonder why the Cubans & Haitians don't land in Mexico and slip across the border in an orderly fashion with the rest of our illegals. Must be that the mules don't accept the gourde (HTG) or the Cuban peso (CUP). Ya think?
/sarcasm
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 11:07 Comments || Top||

#8  He noted that Brown, who is black, is "very passionate about Haiti."
Methinks it has much to do with a Marxist propping up a Marxist and his government as to do with race.
I wonder which card Brown, who is member of the Democratic Socialists of America, would have played had the discussion been about her buddy Fidel and basic human rights of the Cuban people?
Posted by: GK || 02/26/2004 11:29 Comments || Top||

#9  yelled into a microphone

I hope that microphone was connected to a tape recorder...
Posted by: snellenr || 02/26/2004 12:27 Comments || Top||

#10  Would someone refresh my memory? I can't seem to recall where supporting non-United States governments, including the use of military intervention when there's no physical threat to the United States, is located in the Consitution. I want to re-read it before I comment on what this mental midget said at this "informative" meeting.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/26/2004 13:59 Comments || Top||

#11  There's one issue I have with this report - what's with this "Mexican-American" crap? Is the guy Mexican? Or is he an American? Is someone African, or American? Asian? Or American? People (and the press) need to dump this shit; it gets tiring hearing it over and over.

Here's a clue: when I go overseas to other countries and the people hear me speak, they have always asked me if I was American, and never hyphenated it with my ancestry.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/26/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#12  Bomb-a-rama: what's with this "Mexican-American" crap? Is the guy Mexican? Or is he an American?

The truth is that whatever the press calls Roger Noriega, when he heads south of the border, they think of him as a gringo. Skin color has nothing to do with it - a gringo is a gringo is a gringo - Americans simply don't act like Latin Americans.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 02/26/2004 15:15 Comments || Top||

#13  Corrine represents a sizable chunk of the Haitian population of S. Florida. Perhaps more importantly her son's Florida Senate seat is near 60%(?) Haitian and he wants Corrine's seat when she retires or goes to the quiet place.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 16:35 Comments || Top||


CIA chief Tenet "debriefs" Dr Khan?
A top US intelligence official interrogated Dr A. Q. Khan during his recent visit to Islamabad early this month to verify the authenticity of the information supplied by Pakistan to the US on nuclear proliferation, reliable sources told The Nation Tuesday. The US embassy neither denied nor confirmed the information, but Pakistani officials dismissed it summarily.
"Lies! All li.., er, what was that question again?"
George Tenet, the CIA chief, had a debriefing session with Dr Khan on February 12 in Islamabad, sources said. The debriefing session was arranged following Bush administration’s assertion to have a direct contact with Dr Khan. Within 48 hours after the debriefing session Dr Khan went through a, what a Pakistani spokesman termed “routine,” medical check-up on February 14 for cardiac stress.
That may have been Khan’s reported "heart attack". Must have been one hell of a debriefing George laid on him.
A US embassy spokesman neither denied nor confirmed the debriefing session between Khan and Tenet. “I cannot confirm this information,” the spokesman said when approached by phone for his comments. Asked specifically if he would deny that Tenet had interviewed Khan he said he would not confirm.
"I can say no more"
"I can neither confirm nor deny that Mr. Tenet slapped the livin' spit outta the greasy little sonofabitch."
Unlike US embassy spokesman, Shaukat Sultan, the Director General of the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) was quick to deny this report. “Absurd,” Sultan curtly said when contacted to seek his side of the story. Saying there is nothing of this sort (meeting between Khan and Tenet) Sultan said the cooperation about investigation into nuclear proliferation was at the government-to-government level. He said Pakistan was providing information only to International Atomic Energy Agency.
"Just this morning, we sent them a copy of the Rawalpindi phone book, in fact..."
However, the US embassy spokesman answering a question whether Islamabad was cooperating well to meet the expectations of Washington said consultations, meetings and dialogues were going on. “This is an ongoing process,” he said. Asked if the investigations into worldwide nuclear proliferation had come to a conclusion, he said: “It’s far from over. Everyone is continuing to learn more.”
"It ain’t over till we say it’s over"
Well-placed diplomatic sources confirmed to The Nation that Musharraf regime had turned over tons of information acquired from the scientists to the United States. “It will take several months to go through the results of the investigations and the contents of the statements given by Dr Khan, and his Pakistani and foreign associates,” sources said. The data and documents were made available to the CIA officials to allay US apprehensions that Islamabad might not be telling the whole truth. “The US wanted to double-check the information provided by Pakistan,” diplomatic sources said. In addition to answering CIA chief’s questions this month, Dr Khan was also quizzed by a few more US officials in earlier sessions as well.
Cross-checking what they tell us against what we already know. Since Pakistan doesn’t know what we know, they’ll be having a lot of sleepless nights.
General Musharraf had announced pardon for Dr Khan on February 5 proclaiming that he would stand between the Dr Khan and the international community.
Two days later, February 7, US Secretary of State made a telephone call to Musharraf.
"Perv, are you nutz? Think about what you just said. You don't want Rummy to come over there and talk to you, do you?
On February 9, the Foreign Office issued statement saying Dr Khan was not given a blanket pardon.
Must have been one hell of a phone call.
The FO spokesman said the pardon was granted for what Dr Khan had confessed meaning if there was information about Dr Khan’s involvement in anymore proliferation activity, the pardon would be withdrawn.
He had better have spilled his guts.
“The US officials are sifting through the statements and information supplied by Islamabad to establish whether Khan had provided nuclear technology only to Iran, Libya, and North Korea or there are other countries too,” sources claimed. The US investigation team, it was learnt, was trying to locate a link between Dubai-based firms, being accused of trading nuclear equipment, and front companies set up by Saddam Hussain and one Asian country to acquire centrifuges.
But, I thought Sammy had turned Khan’s offer to sell him nuclear technology down? Wonder if the name of that "Asian" country begins with the letter "M"?
Dismissing the common perception in Pakistan that the whole affair was timed to force Islamabad rollback its nuclear programme, the diplomatic sources said, “The American objective is to have complete information about the so-called underworld of nuclear proliferators and uproot their network once for all.” The sources claimed that the US was most concerned about the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and the information from Pakistan would help improve the existing system that failed to stop nuclear proliferation.
Posted by: Steve || 02/26/2004 9:22:34 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hard to believe that Tenet would be "turning the screws" so to speak.

But, I can see him standing in the corner for some added benefit.
Posted by: Daniel King || 02/26/2004 13:27 Comments || Top||


Indian pilots refuse to fly MiG 21
The pilots in the Indian Air Force have reportedly refused to fly the ageing MiG 21 in view of the fatal casualties and have demanded of the authorities to immediately replace the extremely demanding fighter aircraft.
For a young fighter jock to refuse to fly, things must be pretty bad.
Inside sources in the IAF said that after a Flying Officer, G.S. Grumman, managed to eject from his troubling MiG 21 in Jamnagar on Friday last, the young pilots assembled at the Base and lodged their written protest over forcing the fliers to have sorties on these machines which have been nick-named as "flying coffins" in view of the high rate of crashes and the loss of human lives. The pilots’ assembly almost wore the look of a street protest, an unknown phenomenon in military, but seniors prevailed to cool down the young pilots assuring them of the redressal of their grievances. "We may be the rookie, bright-eyed and full of swashbuckling spirit but we cannot fly these ’flying coffins’ without adequate training and monitoring by our seniors," said an agitated young pilot. It may be mentioned here that the youngest pilots for the maximum number of sorties fly this oldest aircraft in the IAF.
Senior pilots get their pick of the newest birds.
Coupled with inadequate flying skills, lack of situational awareness and errors of judgment, the MiG 21st with several design limitations form a deadly mix, admitted an officer.
Ya think?
The Friday’s crash, as per preliminary investigations, was caused due to an engine flameout. Technical defects and human errors have caused 40 per cent each of the around 320 category-I crashes (where the loss in men and the machine is total) witnessed by the IAF since 1990-1991, with the rest being attributed to bird his and other factors, said Group Captain A.V. Thakurdesai, Director of the IAF Flight Safety Department.
Posted by: Steve || 02/26/2004 9:02:28 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Flying Officer, G.S. Grumman
By God, now there's a good name for a pilot.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 9:06 Comments || Top||

#2  I thought inadequate maintenance was the biggest factor, now it sounds like they start training on the worst airframes, huh?
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 9:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Two words: BUY AMERICAN!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/26/2004 13:52 Comments || Top||

#4  BUY AMERICAN!

Normally, I would second this but being as how India is supposed to be "nonaligned" (well, the least I heard anyway) and that it seems that a lot of U.S. jobs are being "outsourced" to India, I'd probably tell them to see if Mikhoyan-Gurevich has any updates/improvements that can be applied to their aircraft..
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/26/2004 14:18 Comments || Top||

#5  Exactly B-a-r, they can order some better planes from us and we get some of those out-sourced jobs back.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/26/2004 17:25 Comments || Top||

#6  I have seen Mig-21's up close, and boy, do they ever play the "coffin" part.
Posted by: Sorge || 02/26/2004 20:32 Comments || Top||

#7  If they've had 320 "Category I" crashes since 1990, that's better than 20 a year. That's a lot of crashes! We complain if we have more than two a year. The early versions of the F-16 were called the "flying lawn dart" because the unique 'fly-by-wire' guidance system was so different from what most pilots were used to.

Soviet pilots were terrified of the early models of the Mig-21, because an ejection would usually cost the pilot both legs. Later versions ("F" and later) were better, but still dangerous. The Chinese F-6 is even less airworthy. No one knows what their accident rate is, but I'd be willing to bet it's higher than India's. The more I learned about these crapfighters, the better I appreciated a nice safe desk job!

Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/26/2004 22:53 Comments || Top||


Stop Whining
From the Times Of London, registration required.
France’s state-subsidised intellectual classes were stunned yesterday when a government minister told them to stop complaining and start winning Nobel prizes, like the Americans. The unfavourable comparison with the United States from Patrick Devedjian, Minister for Local Liberties, amounted to blasphemy for the guardians of the supremacy of Gallic thought. It demolished a parallel attempt by Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the Prime Minister, to calm the anger of writers, scientists, teachers and artists, who are accusing the Government of “waging war” on them. M Devedjian, an outspoken Gaullist, was responding to a petition from 20,000 penseurs and créateurs complaining that the conservative administration was starving them of subsidies and dumbing down France.
Yeah, pull the dummy from their mouths and that will dumb them down everytime.
Signatories included Jacques Derrida, the philosopher,? Bertrand Tavernier, the film director, and Danny Cohn-Bendit, leader of the 1968 student uprising.
And you couldn’t meet a dumber load of postmodernists, if you tried.
M Devedjian said: “Chez nous, the intellectuals have a habit of signing petitions while in the United States they have Nobel prizes. “Being an intellectual should not be considered to be a protected status. Being an intellectual has demands and results are often expected”. . .
Heresy
M Raffarin sought to soothe les intellos yesterday with a letter published on the front page of Le Monde, the thinking person’s daily newspaper. “I understand the fears of a section of the creative and artistic world,” he said. “I know that the future of France depends on creation and innovation and not through banalisation and standardisation
And then he had a laughing seizure.
Posted by: tipper || 02/26/2004 9:01:34 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  subsidies huh? How about "get a real F&*KIN' JOB, ya lazy arrogant P.O.S."?
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 9:20 Comments || Top||

#2  This isn't Scrappleface?
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/26/2004 9:38 Comments || Top||

#3  That had to hurt a lot. hehe.
Posted by: BH || 02/26/2004 10:27 Comments || Top||

#4  "Being an intellectual has demands and results are often expected”. . .

Well now THAT'S not very Socialismistic. France should just drop the pretense and go all the way for Communism, 'cause you know: From each according to his yapper; to each according to his pomposity...
Posted by: Hyper || 02/26/2004 10:33 Comments || Top||

#5  I find the Phrench idea of designated intellectuals rather hysterical. I once worked for a company which had designated "thought leaders" - same goofiness. Good ideas and brilliant (used in the American sense, not the over-generous dumbed-down Brit version) insights can and do come from all over the map - from the assembly line to the executive suite. Only hearing those which originate from the designees is just as self-defeating as the Izzoid practice of discarding the brainpower of half their population at birth... maybe worse.

"Gentlemen, serendipity is scheduled for 2:30 this afternoon. All desginated recipients should tune into their muse and make us some magic. The rest of you drones get back to work."
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 10:57 Comments || Top||

#6  LOL, .com. And epiphanies are scheduled for when?
Posted by: GK || 02/26/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#7  GK - Methinks epiphanies, being such pivotal events, are prolly reserved for when profit-sharing checks are distributed, heh.

"What? No profit-sharing? Shit! In that case, I'm outta here!"

Career decision, hence falls into the epiphany category. Q.E.D.
;-)
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||

#8 
“I know that the future of France depends on creation and innovation and not through banalisation and standardisation"
Now there's a man who's setting himself up for a major disappointment...
Posted by: Dave D. || 02/26/2004 12:57 Comments || Top||

#9  “I know that the future of France depends on creation and innovation and not through banalisation and standardisation."

It's a short drive from banal to anal.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/26/2004 13:56 Comments || Top||

#10  And THIS is the society that looks down their noses on Americans? Jeez.

So let me get this straight: they appease everyone from striking bakers to farmers to truckers to muslims (except in the case of quesionable politically motivated headgear) but the only ones they can't seem to tolerate are intellectuals and Jews!

Helluva country, that france!

Posted by: PlanetDan || 02/26/2004 16:49 Comments || Top||

#11  State-subsidized intellectuals are even bigger whores than state-subsidized artists - and that's saying something.

Want a DATE, baby?...
Posted by: mojo || 02/26/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||

#12  Maybe they should strike... but then would anyone notice?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/26/2004 21:42 Comments || Top||

#13  they used to have titles in france--now they just have entitlement
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI || 02/27/2004 2:02 Comments || Top||


Two Paleostinians Killed in W. Bank Barrier Protest
Israeli forces killed two Palestinians protesting against Israel’s West Bank barrier on Thursday, the first fatalities in demonstrations over the controversial project now under World Court review.
More planned if they keep trying to do the St. Pancake routine
In the Gaza Strip, two Palestinian gunmen killed an Israeli soldier at an industrial zone on the border that is a rare example of Israeli-Palestinian cooperation amid conflict. Israeli security personnel then shot the gunmen dead.
cooperation, huh? I think that’s over
Witnesses in the West Bank village of Biddo said Israeli forces opened fire in a confrontation with stone-throwers, killing two Palestinians. Hundreds of Palestinians took part in the protest over the start of construction of a section of the barrier at Biddo, and the demonstrations spread to two nearby villages.
Bilbo and Dildo
Some of the protesters lay in front of Israeli bulldozers preparing the ground for the barrier, which is being built through villagers’ fields.
smart...St. Corrie Martyrs Brigade...fire up the D9’s and put a brick on the pedal
"It was a very violent confrontation and six security personnel were injured," a military source said. "To the best of our knowledge our forces responded only with tear gas and rubber bullets. We are investigating the reported fatalities." The two men killed in Biddo were the first to die in sporadic demonstrations in the past few months against the West Bank barrier, a project Israel says keeps suicide bombers out of its cities and which Palestinians call a land grab. At the behest of the U.N. General Assembly, the International Court of Justice held three days of hearings in The Hague this week into the legality of the barrier, which snakes into Israeli-occupied land Palestinians want for a state. Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, armed groups in Palestinian President Yasser Arafat’s Fatah faction, claimed responsibility for what they called a "martyrdom operation" at the Erez border crossing in the Gaza Strip. The early morning attack, which an Israeli security source said wounded at least two other Israelis, coincided with the first meetings in three years of Fatah’s Revolutionary Council, a key decision-making body, in the West Bank city of Ramallah.
"Hey! We’re relevant! Us...Hey! Over here!"
Participants said possible dissolution of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades -- which has been behind suicide bombings in Israel that Palestinian leaders say harms a struggle for statehood -- could come up in a reform debate set for Thursday and Friday. A statement from the brigades that blared through loudspeakers in Gaza City called the Erez attack "a response to the continued Zionist terrorism against our people and a reaction to those who want to dismantle our corrupt psycho regime us." But dismantling the brigades, made up of armed cells, appeared unlikely, and some in Fatah believe the group bolsters Arafat’s mainstream movement against the power of Islamic militant organizations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The Revolutionary Council convened in a bid to head off disintegration marked by mass resignations of rank-and-file activists over "alleged" misrule by the dominant old guard and armed anarchy in Palestinian streets
Somehow Rooters missed the scare quotes around "alleged" misrule, LOL
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 9:00:46 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Not to pick knits,Frank.But bulldozers use a decelerator.
Meaning that with your foot off the throtle pedal.The dozer's engine is running at full RPM's.
Posted by: Raptor || 02/26/2004 11:39 Comments || Top||

#2  ? I stand corrected
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 13:16 Comments || Top||

#3  More info at: http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=7&aid=D80V3CV00_story
Posted by: Beau || 02/26/2004 14:05 Comments || Top||

#4  But bulldozers use a deceleratorAnd first shall be last and use reverse to advance. Sorta of a reverse Corrie drivetrain.

Seriously why is it set up that way?
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 14:14 Comments || Top||

#5  Raptor says: Not to pick knits,Frank.But bulldozers use a decelerator.
Meaning that with your foot off the throtle pedal.The dozer's engine is running at full RPM's.


As someone that has worked for a Caterpillar dealership for a number of years, and, worked on every single model of Cat heavy equipment. I can say with all due certainty that you (Raptor) are full of CRAP!

HTH

-AR
Posted by: Analog Roam || 02/26/2004 16:51 Comments || Top||

#6  Raptor got us! Shame! Shame!
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||


Lawyers at War?
If wars are too important to be trusted to the generals, they are far too important to be trusted to a bunch of lawyers. In his new book, Rumsfeld’s War, Washington Times Pentagon correspondent Rowan Scarborough reveals the Pentagon paralysis that Defense Secretary Rumsfeld inherited from the Clinton administration. Part of Scarborough’s proof is a previously classified briefing, entitled "Preempting Terrorists Was not an Option." In it, Professor Richard Schultz of the Fletcher School details the legalistic stagnancy of the Clinton Pentagon.

Click on the link for the rest of the article.
Posted by: JackAssFestival || 02/26/2004 8:53:43 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What was that phrase? Oh yeah, "First let's kill all the lawyers".
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/26/2004 9:41 Comments || Top||

#2  I know when I want to simplify issues and accomplish things, I always run out and hire a couple of Yale lawyers.
Posted by: Sofia || 02/26/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||


Man Charged After Defecating in Diaper
PEQUANNOCK, N.J. -- A Paterson man faces child endangerment charges after allegedly showing up at a Roman Catholic school clad in a diaper and pink stretch pants. William Rhode III, 53, was wearing an orange jumpsuit and handcuffs when he appeared Tuesday in Superior Court in Morristown. Judge Salem Vincent Ahto wanted to make sure Rhode understood the charge lodged against him. Rhode nodded his head when the judge asked if he understood the charge. Ahto then ordered him returned to Morris County jail in lieu of $75,000 bail. Rhode is scheduled to undergo a psychiatric evaluation on March 12. Police said he showed up at Holy Spirit School at dismissal on Feb. 13 seeking a job application. When his request was denied, he defecated in the diaper and fled on foot, police said. Lincoln Park police arrested him a short time later near a supermarket.
"I knew you by your smell!"
Posted by: Evert Visser || 02/26/2004 6:37:04 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  He sounds psychiatric. Who changed his diaper? lol
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/26/2004 7:04 Comments || Top||

#2  That "depends".
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 8:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Are we missing a troll?
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 8:59 Comments || Top||

#4  "How do you plead Mr. Poopypants?"
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/26/2004 9:33 Comments || Top||

#5  Now, that's important news.
Posted by: Highlander || 02/26/2004 10:12 Comments || Top||

#6  How did he expect to hold a job? It sounds like he's already carrying a full load.
Posted by: BH || 02/26/2004 10:21 Comments || Top||

#7  LH: price of Pampers in Peshawar?
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 10:28 Comments || Top||

#8  At least we got the straight poop on this...
Posted by: Fred || 02/26/2004 11:02 Comments || Top||

#9  I think this is a load of crap.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 02/26/2004 11:29 Comments || Top||

#10  Sounds like he'd been pampered for far too long. He surely needs a change in his life.
Posted by: Rawsnacks || 02/26/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#11  Stories like this just chafe my ass...
Posted by: Dar || 02/26/2004 12:47 Comments || Top||

#12  I say, my dear Watson, sounds, er, or rather smells scatalogical to me, alimentary, Watson...ahem.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/26/2004 13:35 Comments || Top||

#13  What's all the stink about? The fella's just lookin' for work.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 02/26/2004 14:02 Comments || Top||

#14  not funny. the man is probly mentaly ill and may be inconstanant.many old people get this when they get old and it could happen to anyone. would you like to be thrown in jail just cuz you have an accident! chainey probly have it too and that why he hiding.
Posted by: muck4doo || 02/26/2004 14:26 Comments || Top||

#15  All kidding aside, Shipman is that you?
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/26/2004 14:58 Comments || Top||

#16  muck4doo - what do you call that pidgin you're typing? e-Bonics?
Posted by: BH || 02/26/2004 15:19 Comments || Top||

#17  Muck4 doo doo speaks from experience.
Posted by: Sgt.DT || 02/26/2004 15:20 Comments || Top||

#18  Not this time.... :)
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 16:12 Comments || Top||

#19  I am beginning to think Mucky sort of a collective troll. An RB exclusive as it were.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 16:14 Comments || Top||

#20  I am beginning to think Mucky sort of a collective troll.

A troll with a Chainey fetish.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/26/2004 16:28 Comments || Top||

#21  sgtdt i do have experience as my grandmother a had inconsistance and it was not easy to help her she pass on. im sure you would not like that but im glad to see you insightful. shipman i am not collective anything and am just one muck4doo and always was not a trolling as i think fishing is a cruel bloodsport. bom i have a chainey fetish at home to stick pins in when he go killing ducks again!
Posted by: muck4doo || 02/26/2004 17:41 Comments || Top||

#22  All together now: What kind of ducks does chainney kill?
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 18:10 Comments || Top||

#23  *Looks at comment #21* That made sense to SOMEBODY, but that somebody sure doesn't come by here out of habit that often.

Muck4doodoobooboo's fixation with Cheney is pathetic: every other troll on the planet is bashing Bush, so this relative genius (very relative) thinks they can get a reputation for originality going after the VP...
Posted by: Ptah || 02/26/2004 19:01 Comments || Top||

#24  Mucky, do they make you wear the helmet on the short bus?
Watson, I believe someone in this room is actually muck4doo and involved in a vile scheme to amuse us. No one could actually be that dense and function.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 20:23 Comments || Top||

#25  Yep, this is a keeper thread, Fred.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/26/2004 21:29 Comments || Top||

#26  Shipman

BABY DUCKS!!! BABY DUCKS!!!! KILL KILL KILL.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/26/2004 21:52 Comments || Top||


Russian ’spies’ held over bombing
Three Russian intelligence agents have been arrested in Qatar over the murder of a former Chechen president, officials in Qatar and Moscow say.
Let 'em go. They've suffered enough.
Zelimkhan Yanderbiyev was killed in a car bomb attack nearly two weeks ago. Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said the three Russian suspects were held a week ago.
Besides, all the witnesses are dead.
Officials in Qatar, quoted by Reuters news agency, said two men had been charged and one with Russian diplomatic papers was freed.
It's all that injustice that made 'em do it, y'know. They're not responsible for their actions. Perhaps Islamists should be asking themselves "Russers: Why do they hate us?"
Russia said the three men detained in Qatar were members of its special services and called the arrests a hostile step by a state which connived with terrorists. Mr Ivanov condemned the arrests. "These Russian citizens, one of whom has a diplomatic passport, are members of the Russian special services... linked to the battle against international terrorism," Mr Ivanov told the Qatar ambassador in comments published on the Russian foreign ministry website. Mr Yanderbiyev was killed in a car blast as he left a mosque after prayers in the Qatari capital Doha.
Probably they were working for U.N.C.L.E. Best to just pretend the whole thing never happened.
Posted by: Howard UK || 02/26/2004 4:39:03 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
I realize that the above quoted from Mr Ivanov is in Diplo-Speak...but, "One under Official Cover, the other two attached to Special Services,"...was already too much said.

Then continuing that they were "Linked to the Battle against, ect, ect..." was was a fairly bold admission that the Russian Government itself had ordered the hit on Yanderbiyev.

Which they undoubtedly did...but it is still surprising that they would admit it in this fashion.

It is almost as though the Russians wanted the Word out...We're hunting humans also, and killing them wherever we find them."

Hummmmm........
Posted by: Traveller || 02/26/2004 5:17 Comments || Top||

#2  The question is... Can they be hired?
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 9:03 Comments || Top||

#3  The russians are upset:
Confirming that the detainees are anti-terrorism agents, Russia condemned the arrests as a "hostile move". Russia has denied any involvement in the killing of Mr Yanderbiyev on 13 February. Acting Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov told the Qatari ambassador in Moscow on Thursday that the detainees were "members of the Russian special services... linked to the battle against international terrorism".
"The insinuation of the Qatar authorities cannot be seen as anything but a hostile move," he said, going on to suggest the Qatari authorities had "practically kept Yanderbiyev under protection". Mr Ivanov said the Russian detainees had been subjected to "rough physical force".


Don't piss off the russian bear, he still has teeth and claws and isn't afraid to use them.
Posted by: Steve || 02/26/2004 9:57 Comments || Top||

#4  "Do you remember Lebanon? We still have people capable of that...where's your son now?"
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||

#5  If they did the bombing, why did they stick around instead of heading back for Russia just after the blast? I'd assume in that type of scenarii, the agents are half-way to motherland before the investigation even begins.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/26/2004 12:52 Comments || Top||

#6  Reach out and touch... and leave the cannoli.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 21:30 Comments || Top||


African Muslims being recruited for holy war
Muslim missionaries from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Pakistan have been visiting mosques in East Africa to recruit young men for holy war.
I've got a great idea. Why not identify who they are, kill them, and send their personal effects back to wherever the hell they came from? Even better, kill them and keep their personal effects for your trouble. But make sure they're dead.
Moderate Muslim leaders say the part-time preachers go from mosque to mosque spouting sermons of hate, then offer young men a chance to wage holy war in Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan. A moderate Muslim leader in Tanzania says most older clerics try to warn their congregations that the extremists distort Islam. Most people in Zanzibar follow a mystical form of Sufi Islam, which emphasizes peace and harmony, so they tend to reject the missionaries’ fiery rhetoric. But the missionaries appeal to a frustrated minority who believe Islam is at war.
That would be the Tablighi Jamaat, or an analog thereof...
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/26/2004 2:05:37 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Just wondering, but can Sufis declare "jihad" on these rat bastards? Is that allowed?
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/26/2004 12:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Some Sufis have declared Jihad against khafirs in the past, notably the Mahdi of Sudan in the 1880's who was a Sufi follower. Not sure if they Sufis believe in Jihad against fellow muslims, as the Wahabis do. IIUC thats one of the distinctive things about the more radical Wahabis - there willingness to declare fellow muslims as apostates, and thus Khafirs, and thus subject to jihad, all for political reasons. I rather doubt the Sufis go in for that.

More likely they will simply rely on the states they live in to protect them from Wahabi jihadis. In Kenya that is problematic, given problems with the competence of the local coppers. Not sure about Tanzania.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 13:30 Comments || Top||

#3  It is all fueled by money from Saudis. The sooner we cut off the money, the less of this crap we will deal with because the missionaries and the madrassas will not have the resources to keep going. Got to get out of the PC mode.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/26/2004 13:39 Comments || Top||

#4  " A moderate Muslim leader in Tanzania says most older clerics try to warn their congregations that the extremists distort Islam. Most people in Zanzibar follow a mystical form of Sufi Islam, which emphasizes peace and harmony, so they tend to reject the missionaries’ fiery rhetoric. "

These people ARE the front line in the WOT. this war is winnable PRECISELY because,whether islam is a ROP or not, these people think it is. And they refuse the call of global jihad. We need more of them, and fewer of the other kind of muslims.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 15:56 Comments || Top||

#5  This is why I'm a Christian, long after I accepted it on the faith of my parents words alone.

Christians missionaries teach Christian values - Muslim missionaries teach hate. Hmmm...which one is superior to the other? Tough choice.
Posted by: B || 02/26/2004 16:20 Comments || Top||

#6  Some christian missionaries have taught hate at various points. Just read Packenham's "Scramble for Africa" - Protestant missionaries taught hate for papists, Catholic missionaries taught hate for heretics. Uganda had a little civil war between the Wa-Fransa Catholics and the Wa-inglese Protestants - oh and the muslims and the pagans too, of course.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 17:10 Comments || Top||


Libya Reverses Stance on Pan Am Bombing
Libya on Wednesday affirmed it was responsible for the bombing of Pan Am flight 103 in 1988. The statement by the Jamahiriya news agency disavowed assertions by the Libyan prime minister that Libya had not acknowledged it blew the jetliner out of the skies over Scotland in 1988, killing 270 people, including 181 Americans.
My, that was fast.
Secretary of State Colin Powell and spokesmen for the White House and State Department said they had not concluded their assessment of the Libyan retraction. As a result, a White House announcement on lifting travel curbs that have been in place for 23 years remained on hold.
It squeaked out. See the next article in this section...
The statement, which appeared at midday on Libya’s web site, said Libya had helped bring two suspects to justice "and accepts responsibility for the actions of its officials." Referring to the prime minister’s statement that Libya had not acknowledged responsibility in a letter to the United Nations, the news agency said "recent statements contradicting or casting doubt on these positions are inaccurate and regrettable." State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said he could not immediately analyze the statement, but "it’s really the facts that matter much more than any statements." He said the administration was watching the way Libya follows up on a pledge to get rid of its nuclear weapons program and whether it takes steps to cut connections to terror groups.
Words, meet action.
Susan Cohen, of Cape May, N.J., whose daughter, Thea, 20, was killed in the bombing, was skeptical of the statement. "This is typical of the Libyans," she said on the telephone. "They do this thing all the time. They say confusing things. This doesn’t cancel out that (Libyan leader Muammar) Gadhafi keeps telling people they did not commit the bombing." Mrs. Cohen said the U.S. government should demand that Gadhafi "come out and say, ’yes, we did it’."
I too would like to her Q-man say that. On TV. In Arabic.
"They are the same old Libyans," she said. "If they don’t accept the responsibility right up to Gadhafi, this whole thing is a fraud."
Smart lady! Wonder if there’s an opening at State for her?
Posted by: Steve White || 02/26/2004 12:43:26 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Damn--they flipped on that in record time! I bet even John Kerry is impressed!
Posted by: Dar || 02/26/2004 12:52 Comments || Top||

#2  MO doesn't do anything halfway... I'm getting the feeling he may be a a new Mormon.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 16:20 Comments || Top||

#3  Speaking of which... does Utah have the Bomb?
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 16:21 Comments || Top||


Karzai may meet with ex-Taliban foreign minister
Afghan President Hamid Karzai is considering meeting a senior former member of the Taliban for the first time since its fall over two years ago, in a bid to reach out to moderate elements of the hardline Islamic militia.
He's been trying to reach out to the Taliban moderates all along, but up until now neither has wanted to talk to him...
The initiative coincides with a Pakistani operation against Al Qaeda and Taliban militants near the Afghan border and US plans for a spring offensive against rebels in rugged frontier areas. In an interview with Pakistan’s state-run PTV aired on Tuesday, President Karzai said he had sent representatives to talk to former Taliban foreign minister Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil, who has been freed from US custody but remains under local guard.
Ask him if he's lopped anybody's hands off lately...
But Afghan officials hope the inclusion of moderate Taliban elements in the political process will weaken the extremists. “Mulla Wakil Ahmed has written me a very nice letter,” President Karzai told PTV in his presidential palace in Kabul. “He has explained what he is thinking of the future of Afghanistan, which is quite reasonable. He has asked to meet with me. I have sent some of my people to talk to him twice, and I will probably also consider meeting with him or not in the coming days.”
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/26/2004 12:38:22 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I worked alongside this guy and he is certainly atypical of the Taliban regime. He is urbane and educated-- that alone separates him from 85% of the Taliban. Hopefully, he is still the same and can assist in improving the situation in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/26/2004 9:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Your recommendation would be more assuring with a more verifiable screen name...
Posted by: Ptah || 02/26/2004 10:16 Comments || Top||

#3  "Your recommendation would be more assuring with a more verifiable screen name..."

LOL!
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 11:25 Comments || Top||

#4  Sorry, that's my post...
Posted by: Osama bin Laden || 02/26/2004 12:15 Comments || Top||

#5  I worked alongside this guy...

Erm..., in what way?
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/26/2004 12:53 Comments || Top||

#6  You know if we had reached out to the moderate elements of the Nazi's in like 1938, World War II probably never would've happened.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 20:28 Comments || Top||


France Wants Transitional Gov’t in Haiti
PARIS (AP) - French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin on Wednesday issued a statement calling for an "immediate" establishment of a transitional government in Haiti and an international civilian force to back it up.
Tragedy, meet farce. Farce, this is tragedy.
De Villepin allegedly a man also indicated France no longer supports President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, an elected but highly unpopular president whose government is threatened by a rebellion. "As for President Aristide, he bears heavy responsibility for the current situation," de Villepin said in a statement. "It is up to him to accept the consequences while respecting the rule of law. Everyone sees quite well that a new page must be opened in Haiti’s history." France also supports the urgent establishment of a transitional "government of national unity," headed by a designated prime minister, in accordance with a plan proposed by CARICOM, the 15-nation Caribbean Community, and the Organization of American States. However, de Villepin said the plan should be broadened and the political process speeded up so that elections can be held in the coming months. An international civilian force composed of troops from countries other than France to back the transitional government is one element of France’s proposal to broaden the plan. Paris also proposed international assistance to help Haiti organize a presidential election by establishing an election commission, lists of voter, and international observer missions to oversee the ballot.
For as we all know, an election equals democracy even in the worst hellhole of a country.
The foreign minister said he spoke several times Tuesday and Wednesday with a bored Secretary of State Colin Powell, other foreign diplomats and Haitian political officials.
"Mr. Secretary! Mr. De Villepin on line two!"
"Let him wait a while, Marvin."
"Any particular reason, Mr. Secretary?"
"Yes. Principle."
Posted by: Steve White || 02/26/2004 12:37:51 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yes. Let's transition from anarchy to... more anarchy.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 8:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Who are the good guys again? ARE there any good guys?
Posted by: Sparks || 02/26/2004 10:42 Comments || Top||

#3  When will France give up this idea that they're somehow relevant in the world today, instead of being a burr under everybody's saddle?
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/26/2004 10:55 Comments || Top||

#4  I certainly hope that the French aren't thinking of moving unilaterally on this...
Posted by: eLarson || 02/26/2004 10:59 Comments || Top||

#5  I say we help them, but only if they switch to English as the official language.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/26/2004 11:13 Comments || Top||

#6  Hey O P, the whole Penis Envy relevance thing with France stems back from their lack of doing anything of importance over the last 3 centuries or so. Lets have a brief lesson of their war history.

FRENCH WAR HISTORY 101

Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when NOT led by a Frenchman."

Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

The Dutch War - Tied.

War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War. Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome," and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare: "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunken Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

World War I - Tied on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein."

World War II - Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkish Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare: "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.


"Nuf said.
Posted by: Bodyguard || 02/26/2004 11:43 Comments || Top||

#7  Sparks, in Haiti, a good rule of thumb is that anybody actively involved on either side is NOT a good guy.
Posted by: Carl in N.H || 02/26/2004 11:57 Comments || Top||

#8  From what I understand, all the "good" Hatians run 7-11s and video rentals in New York City.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/26/2004 12:51 Comments || Top||

#9  Bodyguard,

Given the topic of the post I am surprised you did not include the Hatian War of Independence which the French also lost.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 02/26/2004 17:18 Comments || Top||

#10  France no longer supports President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, an elected but highly unpopular president whose government is threatened by a rebellion. "As for President Aristide, he bears heavy responsibility for the current situation," de Villepin said in a statement. "It is up to him to accept the consequences while respecting the rule of law. Everyone sees quite well that a new page must be opened in Haiti’s history."

I guess "elected" just wasn't good enough in J-B's case. He must not've gotten 100% of the vote like ol' Sammy did.

Frogs. There goes the neighborhood...
Posted by: mojo || 02/26/2004 17:57 Comments || Top||

#11  Bodyguard, I think you missed the Seven Years War, where the French lost Nova Scotia and Quebec to the British, and all the Cajuns (Acadians) shipped into Louisiana.

er, so was that actually a loss or a win?
Posted by: john || 02/26/2004 19:25 Comments || Top||

#12  ....de Villepin on Wednesday issued a statement calling for an "immediate" establishment of a transitional government in Haiti and an international civilian force to back it up.
That's fine, France can do this unilaterally with no objections from here. You can even use your vaunted military force.(BTW do you have any way to get them across the Atlantic?) No need for international civilians. Go ahead de Villepin; France isn't doing anything anywhere that counts.
Posted by: GK || 02/26/2004 20:44 Comments || Top||


Taliban kill 5 aide workers
Gunmen opened fire on a vehicle carrying Afghan aid workers east of the capital, killing five and wounding two others, Interior Minister Ali Ahmad Jalali said Thursday. Another Afghan aid worker was missing. The attack took place Wednesday afternoon near Surobi, about 40 miles east of Kabul. The victims were from an Afghan aid group called FBF and were working on projects to rebuild the rural economy, devastated by more than two decades of violence. ``We’ve made no arrests, and we don’t know how many attackers there were, but there were some reports of terrorists moving back and forward in this area,’’ Jalali told a news conference.
We guessed that, from the corpses.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/26/2004 12:36:23 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


UN asks for a cease-fire in Somalia
The U.N. Security Council called for a cease-fire throughout Somalia Wednesday and demanded that all parties fully abide by last month’s truce and an agreement to form a new government. The council statement follows an outbreak of fighting by rival Somali clans despite the truce and an agreement signed by the country’s traditional leaders and warlords to form a transitional government. ``The Security Council stresses the urgent need for a comprehensive ceasefire throughout Somalia , and that the Somali parties themselves bear the responsibility of achieving it,’’ the statement said.
Yep. That oughta do it. Peace is now at hand...
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/26/2004 12:32:50 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "UN asks for a cease-fire". Pretty funny.

"comprehensive cease-fire." Works for me!
Posted by: Lucky || 02/26/2004 0:43 Comments || Top||

#2  We demand you stop this, now. If you don't immediately desist, we will be forced to demand you stop AGAIN!! and we won't like that, er.. you won't like that.
Posted by: chainhead || 02/26/2004 9:56 Comments || Top||

#3  That, and a dollar, would buy you a democrat...
Posted by: Ptah || 02/26/2004 10:15 Comments || Top||

#4  UN: "Stop it, Stop it right now. We'll use harsher words if you don't stop. We'll send in Jimmy Carter if you don't stop!"

And Kerry wants us to partner with these bozos? Geeeez..
Posted by: mmurray821 || 02/26/2004 10:27 Comments || Top||

#5  Ya did'nt say Please!!
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/26/2004 12:43 Comments || Top||


Kashmir Jihad takes on new ‘benign’ look
Muttahida Jihad Council (MJC), an alliance of Kashmiri jihadi organizations has been restructured, with six smaller alliances within it representing various groups that will no longer use the words jihad, lashkar, jaish or mujahideen with their names so that they appear more political than militant. “These semi-alliances are the Kashmir Resistance Forum (KRF) 1, 2 and 3 and Kashmir Freedom Forum (KFF) 1 and 2, while only Hizbul Mujahideen (HM) is allowed to use its original name”, sources in the MJC told Daily Times.
You’d think they could at least have some more original names than Kashmir Resistance Forum 1, 2 and 3 etc. What about Kashmir Liberation Organisation, Kashmiri People’s Liberation Front and the KFC?
“We have been told that these names are damaging Pakistan’s image abroad as well as the Kashmiri freedom movement,” a jihadi leader said. Asked why HM was allowed to use its original name, he replied “HM also holds the chairmanship of the jihad alliance and quarters abroad consider it representative of the Kashmiri freedom movement alone”. Sources said this decision was taken in October 2003, implemented in January 2004. KRF 1 represents the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LT), Birgade 313 (a Harkatul Jihad-e-Islami faction lead by Commander Illyas Kashmiri), Lashkar-e-Islam (LI) and Al-Bader Mujahideen, while KRF 2 is an alliance of Al-Jihad, Al-Fateh, Hizb Ullah and Muslim Janbaz Force (MJF). KRF 3 consists of Harkat-ul-Jihad-e-Islami (Maulana Muzaffar group), Jamiat-ul Mujahideen (JM) and Jamiat-ul-Ansar (JA), while KFF 1 is an alliance of Jaish Muhammad (JM) and Al-Umer Mujahideen and KFF 2 includes Islamic Front, Jamaat-ul-Furqan (JF), Tehrik-e-Jihad (TJ), Al-Barq and Tehrik-ul-Mujahideen (TM).
They could do with a bit more merging. Brigade 313 was supposed to be a new anti-state terrorist outfit operating in Karachi. Maybe they released Illyas Kashmiri the other day after he agreed to redirect his Jihadis to the Kashmir front..
This new ‘adjustment’ is called “Muwakhaat” (an Arabic word meaning agreement on the basis of brotherhood) and sources said this would also reduce the jihadi groups’ internal differences. “These organizations’ new identities will improve their image, making them look like political groups”, sources said. The MJC earlier consisted of 15 organizations; HM, TM, JM, Al-Barq, MJF, Hizb Ullah, Al-Jihad, Al-Fateh, HJI (Muzaffar group), IF, LI, Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front, Al-Umer, JA, TJ, and all of these were Kashmir-based. Five Pakistan-based organizations LT, JM, Brigade 313, Al-Bader Mujahideen and JF were not the part of MJC but they have been included in the new structure. “The MJC constitution barred Pakistan-based organization from the alliance but circumstances have changed. We need unity and no one can deny their role in jihad”, a jihadi leader said. Sources also claimed Syed Salahudin will remain the chairman of MJC for five more years, being acceptable to all concerned.
It’s nice to actually have a Kashmiri here or there among the Jihadi leadership.
Sources said the Pakistan-based groups had asked to join the MJC, and claimed this wasn’t the first time that the MJC was being restructured. In January 2002, a formula for a merger was adopted but small and Pakistan-based organizations refused to accept it. They wanted to maintain their independent identity and most jihadi leaders were not prepared to be subordinate to small Kashmiri organizations”, sources claimed, adding, “this structure is an extension of 2002’s formula and now leaders of these organisations will not share responsibilities with others”. Sources said these smaller alliances would launch operations against Indian forces in Kashmir, but after permission from MJC leaders.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 02/26/2004 12:31:39 AM || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Paul - Hmmm.

So is this merely a PR effort which will result in no effective change in their goals, just a more efficient cooperation among the jihadis with a more palatable public "face"? Is that about the sum of this piece?

Or is it like Mobil Oil, which used to (prior to merger with Exxon) restructure itself with sufficient frequency to keep the dust stirred up so no one (mainly stockholders) could really tell if they were efficient or not?
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 17:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Probably the former
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 02/26/2004 20:34 Comments || Top||


Security forces nab ’terror funds’ in Ramallah banks
Tip o’ the hat to da Shark. EFL.
The United States said Wednesday that Israel’s seizure of some NIS 37 million in cash in Palestinian banks could destabilize the Palestinian banking system, and reiterated its call for Israel to coordinate such moves with the sector’s Palestinian authorities.
They’re supposed to coordinate seizing the money?
Security forces on Wednesday raided four banks in the West Bank city of Ramallah, seizing the money which Israel said was mostly sent by Iran, Syria and Hezbollah to fund Palestinian militants. "Some of these actions that were taken risk destabilizing the Palestinian banking system, so we’d prefer to see Israeli coordination with the Palestinian financial authorities in order to stem the flow of funds to terrorist groups," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher told reporters in Washington.
"Listen, Mahmoud, you guys have to clean up your banking system so that terrorists can’t ... [slap] [slap] Mahmoud, you’re not listening. Moshe, explain to Mahmoud that he has to listen."
An aide to Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat on Wednesday called the operation "a provocation" that was "asking for Palestinian retaliation."
"We shall have Dire Revenge!™"
The joint operation by police, the Israel Defense Forces and the Shin Bet security service marked the largest-scale effort since the start of the intifada to stop the flow of funds to militant groups, officials said. Palestinian medics said 42 people were injured, five critically, when stone-throwers confronted the biggest raid for months into Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat’s headquarters city of Ramallah. Palestinians rained stones on Israeli jeeps. Flames leaped from one of the vehicles as it was struck by a Molotov cocktail. Israeli troops rejected the accusation of Palestinian medics that they fired back some live rounds.
I confess I’d shoot back if someone was lobbing Molotov cocktails at me.
According to Palestinian sources, security forces presented some of the bank clerks with warrants issued by the GOC Central Command, and asked to inspect the bank’s computers for transactions carried out by individuals suspected of financing terror attacks.
"Mahmoud, quick, arrange for the blue screen of death!"
"No way, Achmed, those Zionists have ways of making that too real!"

The troops checked several hundred bank accounts - including those at branches of the Arab Bank and the Cairo Amman Bank - some belonging to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, Israeli security sources said. The troops were accompanied by computer experts of two of the banks, who had been arrested overnight, Palestinian security officials said.
"C’mon, Abdullah, give us the password for your Quicken account!"
A security official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said soldiers were also looking for evidence of possible involvement by Arafat in funding terror attacks.
Well, that shouldn’t be hard to find.
The forces took millions in cash from the bank vaults, corresponding to the amount of money they found in the targeted accounts, Israeli security sources said. Much of the funding came from Hezbollah, Iran and Syria, the sources said. Israeli security sources said the seized money would be used to fund Palestinian humanitarian projects.
Tell the Paleos you’re using the money to build the barrier.
The offices of an Islamic charity in the West Bank city of Tul Karm were also raided on Wednesday. Computers and documents were taken from there too.
I’ll bet there’s more than financial transactions on those computers. What a haul.
"It’s like the mafia, it’s like a kind of mafia war," Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia told Channel 10 television news.
And the Israelis are Elliott Ness.
"This is destructive to the Palestinian economy and people are really worried," Erekat said. He said he fears Palestinians will lose confidence in their banking system and their would be a run on the banks Thursday.
I’m sure the Paleos have as much confidence in their banking system as they do in their "government".
Palestinian Finance Minister Salam Fayad said the raids broke a banking agreement between the Palestinians, Israel and the United States. "Such measures will for sure hurt, to a large extent, the Palestinian economy and its institutions," Fayad said.
Not that anyone will be able to tell.
A security source said Israel was not trying to harm the banks, and those whose money was confiscated can appeal to the army.
"Sure boys, you can have your money back, just step forward and sign some forms. Got any legit ID?"
"Um, yeah, I got this Pakistani pass ... oh, never mind. Keep the money."

"The banking system is the easiest and safest way to transfer money," the source said. "We have to deter them [militants] from using the banking system and get them to use other less safe methods."
Posted by: Steve White || 02/26/2004 12:30:47 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  *** C o f f e e - - - A l e r t ***

Lol! This may be the funniest true post ever!

"The forces took millions in cash from the bank vaults, corresponding to the amount of money they found in the targeted accounts, Israeli security sources said. Much of the funding came from Hezbollah, Iran and Syria, the sources said."
Just this much, and no more. Only the money of those involved in terror. Woot! Woot! See, EeeeWwww? Your donations, meant for good deeds (right?) are safe and sound! So the schools and hospitals and good deeds depts should keep right on running... right?

I'll bet there are turbans spinning and Royals swooning and Dictatorial heartburn all across the M.E. and vast numbers of shorts all in a bunch... And Paleos, go ahead, mob the banks on Thursday. It's your money, right?

LOL! And you just know the Israelis realized they couldn't give the US fair warning, else some State Dept pfool or Fibbie traitor translator would alert the poor (now poorer) Paleo Terror Ministry... Priceless! Thx, Dr Steve!
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 3:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Agreed! Hilarious!
Posted by: phil_b || 02/26/2004 8:58 Comments || Top||

#3  Could a C-130 make a round trip from Tel-Aviv to Zurich?
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 9:18 Comments || Top||

#4  posted last evening by the Army of One Front of Frank™.... Bwahahaha!
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 9:37 Comments || Top||

#5  I saw it on the News and was cheering the whole time!
“Achmed my ATM card doesn’t seem to work”
“Let me try mine Muhammed…INSUFFICIENT FUNDS!”
“How will we buy the latest bomb coat from the Snears and Blowback store, they won’t give us credit?”
“This must be the work of the JOOOSSSS!”
Yes, yes it was! Priceless just priceless. Make it better by distributing the money amongst the families of those killed by homicide bombers! That would send them to the moon!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/26/2004 11:05 Comments || Top||


Darfur rebellion spreads?
Rebels from western Sudan said on Wednesday they had opened a new front to show the government the remote area was not alone in its demands for equal treatment and a share in the oil exporter’s resources. "This means we are fighting a guerrilla war against the government and we can strike them in many places," said rebel Sudan Liberation Army (SLA) leader Abdel Wahed Mohamed Ahmed al-Nur, adding the SLA also had troops in northern Sudan. "Two days ago we attacked government forces in their camp about 100 kms (60 miles) north of El-Obeid," he said, referring to the capital of Northern Kordofan state, which borders Darfur. El-Obeid is less than 400 kms southeast of the capital, Khartoum.

"If there’s no peace in Darfur there’ll not be peace in any part of Sudan," Nur told Reuters from the Darfur region. He added the SLA had signed an agreement to launch joint operations with an eastern rebel group called the Beja Congress. Sudan’s armed forces spokesman was unavailable for comment. Army sources have previously said they would not comment on the Darfur conflict to dampen media coverage of the troubles. Khalil Ibrahim, leader of the other rebel group, the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM), said his movement had launched a failed offensive to take Southern Kordofan state 45 days ago. "The government defeated us and arrested 161 of our men," he told Reuters from his Paris base. "We kept this secret to protect the men in prison, but they killed four of them until now so we are announcing it."
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Police arrest Nigerian Taliban leader
Take a look at the connections - anybody here surprised?
Nigerian Security agents in Kano have arrested the Sudanese head of a Saudi-funded charity accused of funding a shortlived but bloody Islamic rebellion. The arrest came amid growing evidence of foreign involvement in Islamist militancy in Nigeria.
Doesn't that just surprise all the bejabbers out of you? Every one of mine is gone...
Sheikh Muhiddeen Abdullahi, Director of the Almuntada al-Islami Trust, was snatched by agents of the State Security Service and has been taken to Abuja for questioning. "The arrest followed the discovery of financial transactions running into millions of naira (tens of thousands of dollars/euros) between Sheikh Muhiddeen and a Kano-based businessman, Alhaji Sharu," an official said. Security agents swooped on a suspected militant hideout and arrested Sharu, who has since confessed to acting as middleman between the group and Almuntada, the official said. Almuntada al-Islami is a charity reputedly funded by wealthy Saudi individuals. It is said to have built 42 mosques in Kano, and promotes the conservative Wahhabi brand of Islam espoused by Afghanistan’s ousted Taliban regime.
Busily working Islam's bloody border, milking it for all it's worth...
A Mathaba correspondent had spotted Sudanese intelligence involvement in the Nigerian "pro-Sharia" uprisings in north Nigeria several years ago, which resulted in many dead. The senior Sudanese intelligence agent was working for the "Islamic Call" (Munazama Dawa) organisation of Sudan, which acts as a front for Sudan foreign intelligence operations. The Islamist military general Swar al Dahab, who recently received an international Islamist prize, is patron of the Munazama Dawa. Dahab prevented Sudan from falling to a popular revolution after the masses rose up against the Nimeiri dictatorship. Nigerian women were moved to adopt Arab style head coverings by free hand outs from the Sudanese intelligence agents as part of a propaganda drive to show religious fervour and obtain funds to destabilise Africa’s most populous country. This was funded with Saudi money, and Sudanese Islamist funds obtained by the Arab gulf.
Mathaba, as their links demonstrate, are about as nutty as they come, but this actually sounds quite plausible to me.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/26/2004 12:28:48 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I really, really want frogistan to handle this, but I know we can't.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 02/26/2004 14:01 Comments || Top||


Tazanbayev’s aide detained
A rebel from the gang led by warlord Khamzat Tazanbayev, who was killed on Tuesday, has been detained in the community of Alkhan-Kala in Chechnya’s Grozny rural district.
"Makhmud, these gents would like to talk to you..."
Spokesman for the headquarters for the antiterrorist operation in the North Caucasus Col. Ilya Shabalkin told Interfax on Wednesday that the detainee was charged with a number of serious crimes, including the planting of landmines and armed attacks on local non-combatants and policemen. Active investigative measures are being taken following the elimination of Tazanbayev and two of his accomplices in Ingushetia, he said. Investigators found fake identity cards of Chechen policemen, members of the Chechen presidential security department, and the regional branch of the United Russia party on the guerillas, Shabalkin said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/26/2004 12:23:11 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Al-Qaeda grants autonomy to affiliate groups
The U.S. intelligence community has assessed that Al Qaida has been transformed into a collection of regional networks that operate autonomously. In an updated assessment of the organization, the intelligence community has determined that Al Qaida has relinquished its control over many Islamic insurgency groups. Instead, Al Qaida permits its satellite organizations to designate targets and plan attacks. "These far-flung groups increasingly set the agenda, and are redefining the threat we face," CIA director George Tenet said. "They are not all creatures of Bin Laden, and so their fate is not tied to his. They have autonomous leadership, they pick their own targets, they plan their own attacks."
But how many have their own money?
In testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday, Tenet said the Al Qaida network contains dozens of Sunni groups. Tenet cited Ansar Al-Islam in Iraq the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and Salifiya Jihadiya in Morocco.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/26/2004 12:18:52 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  We've changed our name to al-Amway! And we have a new mission statement!
Posted by: BH || 02/26/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#2  And new ID badges...
Posted by: Seafarious || 02/26/2004 13:11 Comments || Top||

#3  This is not a problem. It'll be just a more varied collection of names of organizations whose members we've managed to deep-six.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/26/2004 14:55 Comments || Top||


Former top North Korean actress builds new life as South Korean bar maid
Tip o’ the hat to Conrad. EFL.
Before she defected, Joo Sun Young was one of North Korea’s rare "Class-One" actresses, hand-picked to play the coveted role of the regime leader’s wife and "mother" of all North Koreans. Today, she sells beer and sings songs for drunken South Korean businessmen at a low-rent Seoul bar. The crowd knows she once performed for North Korea’s inner circle, which is in part why they like hollering for her to fill their glasses. "I sometimes feel humiliated at how my life has been downgraded. But I thank my customers for coming to my place. This is my life. I have come a long way," she says.
Somehow I think you’re better off.
Joo’s journey from the spotlights of Pyongyang to the dim lights of backstreet Seoul mirrors both the dreams and fears of many who flee totalitarian North Korea. Joo was a 16-year-old violin student in 1981 when communist party talent scouts came to her high school in the northeastern town of Kyongsong and took her away. She was handed a baggy military uniform and told she was joining the military. Reminiscent of the screenings of maidens for the kings of ancient Korea, party officials inspected "every inch" of her body for imperfections. She did not mind. "I was proud and excited that the party chose me," Joo says.
Ew-w-w-w-w-w-w.
For six years she served in the Pyongyang Garrison Command’s esteemed performing arts troupe -- and was allowed to visit her parents only once. Joo got a powerful boost when Kim Jong Il, son and heir of then President Kim Il Sung, handed her the "Class-One" title, reserved for the few actors portraying members of the Kim family. The job was so sacred she was barred from taking other roles.
Prolly just as well; once you’ve played the Great Leader’s Wife, what else is there?
Joo’s best-known film was the 1983 epic "Far and Away from the Command Post," in which she played Kim Jong Suk, Kim Il Sung’s wife, as a young guerrilla fighting Japanese colonialists. Joo’s exalted life changed after Kim Il Sung died in 1994, famine struck North Korea and actresses scattered to find new jobs. By then she was married with a son and daughter. To earn extra cash she overstayed a travel visa to China in 2000 to run a border town coffee shop. Twice she was deported, but bribed North Korean guards to let her back into China. Finally, a South Korean government agent in China realized who she was and arranged her flight to Seoul in January 2003. In August, she borrowed $60,000 from a bank to open her bar, Taedongkang Hof, named after the river that runs through Pyongyang. She hired two North Korean women, who, like her, left children behind.
That has to suck.
Her background is her attraction, and she entertains customers with nonpolitical South and North Korean ditties, including the popular "Women Are Starving Wastrels in Concentration Camps Flowers." "I am doing very well," she says, "but some customers insult me when they don’t like our food and say, ’Is this what you give your men in the North?’ I wonder whether they know people are starving in the North."
The SKors don’t want to know.
"I want to be a rich businesswoman," Joo says. "I concentrate on work not to think about my children, but when I see delicious food, I can’t help crying. I wonder whether my children are not starving."
Okay, tough call -- stay in North Korea and starve with the kids or escape to the South and maybe, just maybe, work something out.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/26/2004 12:18:34 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "I am big. The pictures got small."
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 8:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Blame it on the Joos!
Posted by: mjh || 02/26/2004 13:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Nora makes her final comeback has an RB Meme. Fitting. We are big picture oriented.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 16:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Interesting example of bias in this article. Read just the first half and you get the clear impression she was much better off in NK and she has to work in a sleazy bar to survive in the South. Its only when you get to last couple of paragraphs you find out that this is a hard nosed business decision she has freely made in order to fulfil the capitalist dream and get rich.

Good luck to her!
Posted by: phil_b || 02/26/2004 19:36 Comments || Top||


Hungarian troops injured in suicide bombing
TEN Hungarian troops serving in Iraq have been injured in a suicide car-bomb attack in the town of Hilla, 90km south of Baghdad. These are the first Hungarian casualties since Parliament first sent troops in to assist in the coalition operation to run the country after Saddam Hussein was ousted. The attack happened in the early hours of Wednesday, February 18. According to the latest reports, the blast killed 11 Iraqi civilians, wounded 44 more and injured 58 foreign troops - including the 10 Hungarians. The injuries to the Hungarian soldiers varied from minor to serious. However, Petér Matyuc at the Defense Ministry (HM) said that the wounds of the three seriously injured soldiers were not life-threatening.

Matyuc commented that the soldiers were hit by shrapnel when one of the vehicles exploded near the building in which they were housed. Lt Col Robert Strzelecki, a spokesman for the Polish-led contingent at Hilla, said that the attack comprised of two vehicles. Sentries opened fire and managed to stop one of the vehicles but a second car exploded after smashing into a wall. "At 7.15 local time there was a terrorist attack near the logistics base using two cars," Strzelecki said. "We found the bodies of the two drivers." The Coalition Provisional Authority confirmed that civilian Iraqi men, women and children were killed in the blast. At least 12 Filipinos, 12 Poles and two Americans were also injured "Despite the attack, Hungarian troops will stay on and complete their mission in Iraq," Matyuc said. The attack on the Hilla base has sparked off more political debate in Parliament. Fidesz deputy chairman István Simicskó has asked the government what must be done before the soldiers are brought home. Defense Ministry political state secretary Imre Iváncsik said that the attack was presumably carried out by members of al-Qaeda. He added that the troops would be brought home when they had completed their task.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/26/2004 12:15:04 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  As with all casualties in the coalition. Brave men, our prayers go with you
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 20:16 Comments || Top||


The Religious Militia Muscles In
Ten days after Mahmoud Shakir Mohsen arrested a member of the religious militia, the religious militia arrested him. "They told me, ’Your time is over,’" says the police sergeant. "’Now it’s our time.’" Bound and blindfolded, Mohsen was taken to the Islamic courts of Moqtada al-Sadr, the most militant cleric in the holy city of Najaf, where he was beaten with a police baton and held in an underground prison for 16 days, until his commanding officer negotiated a $200 fee for his release.

As the police struggle to preserve order in Iraq, some Islamic groups like al-Sadr’s religious militia, Jaish al-Mahdi, are declaring themselves guardians of peace and justice. Many groups keep private armies, but al-Sadr’s men also maintain courts and prisons in eight southern Iraqi cities and Baghdad. Religious militia have shut down liquor stores in Basra and Baghdad and even killed some of their owners. In Najaf, CD sellers accused of peddling pornography have had their shops bombed. The court’s claim of religious sanction is particularly potent in Najaf, where portraits of religious leaders have replaced statues of Saddam Hussein. While al-Sadr’s critics may whisper that his courts are more concerned with stamping out the cleric’s enemies than with doing God’s work, few dare say it aloud.

Though most cases involve family law and property disputes, the court also handles criminal charges, according to Husam al-Husseini, 33, a confidant of al-Sadr’s. People caught drinking or having sex outside of marriage are punished with a whip. Christians face the same penalties as Muslims. "Iraq is an Islamic country, so if he is Muslim or not, we have to beat him," al-Husseini says. Violent criminals are usually forced to pay compensation to the victim’s family. Prisoners are held in individual rooms under the courtyard or in a large holding pen, according to a former detainee who asked not to be named for fear of being rearrested. On his first night, he was pulled out of the cell, blindfolded and led to a room where he was strapped to a column. Two men, he says, beat him with a whip, then smashed his head against the column. He says that beatings took place nightly, and that he sometimes heard the screams of women.

Neighbors of Qisme Ibrahim al-Quraishi say she turned up dead 10 days after she was arrested for letting prostitutes use her home. When her family cleaned her for burial, they found lash marks on her back and raw flesh where her fingernails had been. If al-Sadr’s courts have refrained from passing death sentences, it is only because the U.S. military would prevent any execution, says Hasan Naji, head of the Jaish al-Mahdi in Baghdad. "If the court convicts somebody, they can go complain to America, and they will come and close the court," Naji says. "But when America leaves, nobody will be able to close us."
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 02/26/2004 12:13:56 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  why are we giving this guy so much leeway and why don't the Iraqi police in baghdad crush this scumbag for having the balls to arrest a policeman. I'm really pissed off about this... what the hell are we thinking letting this crap go on?!?
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/26/2004 0:29 Comments || Top||

#2  I can't figure out why he's tolerted, either. Given the actions described, assuming this is accurate info, his continued existence and barbaric behavior boggles. It's well past time for his ticket to be punched - with prejudice.
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 3:27 Comments || Top||

#3  I guess that he's not taken out because his death/capture would only radicalize his followers even more..
Posted by: lyot || 02/26/2004 3:38 Comments || Top||

#4  *snicker*
That's really precious, Iyot. "Radicalizing" Sadr's "followers" is the point, huh? Lol! If what this article says is true, and if it is then you know it's only the tip of the iceberg of everything else they've done, then I'd suggest their becoming "radicalized" occurred long ago and is, shall we say, a rather minor detail.

These are thugs, thieves, and murderous vigilantes from the Darkest Age of Man - not holy followers of a holy man. Pfeh. It is a mafia gang with a cloak of religious cover - and so thin that only a fool would be fooled. I suggest we ace the lot of 'em and then you can bemoan how I become radicalized. Too funny / foolish for werdz!
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 4:01 Comments || Top||

#5  My guess is that he and his gang are too powerfull to be taken out. The US wants to please the Shi'ia, so taking out Al Sadr is not a step in that direction. I agree that he's probably nothing more then a thug, but is he also in the perception of the Shi'ia Iraqi's ? I doubt that.
Posted by: lyot || 02/26/2004 5:36 Comments || Top||

#6  Ok,how about a .50 cal Barret round at a 1000 meters.
Posted by: Raptor || 02/26/2004 8:40 Comments || Top||

#7  This is unacceptable. Why the hell hasn't Bremer done anything about this? We have a friggin ARMY over there, they have ill-trained turbans. This isn't a difficult decision.
Posted by: Charles || 02/26/2004 8:51 Comments || Top||

#8  most likely because Bremer has gone all State on our ass over there...
Posted by: mjh || 02/26/2004 8:55 Comments || Top||

#9  We have 100,000 troops, who have about all they can handle dealing with the residual Baathists, the foreign Islamists, and some rejectionists in Fallujah. NOT the time that Bremer, or Rumsfeld for that matter, want to take on Al-Sadr. Especially with al-sadr apparently maneuvering Sistani into looking too pro-American, so that he has to make a fuss about elections in order to show his distance.

Look - Al- Sadr may be a thug, and a pro-Iranian thug at that. But the Shiites, while definitely glad we took out Saddam, do not trust us. And from their point of view with reason. We called for a revolt in 1991, they rebelled, Saddam slaughtered them, we did nothing. Now you can argue about whether it was Bush41's fault, or the UN's fault - in reality the call to revolt was probably meant for the Iraqi military - NOT the Shiites - I dont think theyre into such "french style" subtlety. As far as they are concerned, they were betrayed. And we might do it any day again. Every concession we make to the Sunnis, every hint that we're NOT going to allow them majority rule, even when motivated not by desire to reinstall the Sunnis, but by a well intentioned desire to protect secularism, is read by them as some kind of neo-baathism. a demagogue like Moqtada al-sadr plays to that kind of (well earned) paranoia. Thats why when Sistani looks to close to the US, Al Sadr can play it against him - and why Sistani to maintain "street cred" starts talking more radical. And why Chalabi, to maintain his own credibility moves in the direction of Sistani. So do you just go in and arrest Moqtada??? you do so, you confirm just what hes been saying.

No its going to have to be Iraqis who arrest him. And it will probably have to be SOVEREIGN Iraqis - IE post-handover. Which is probably one reason Bremer and the admin are in such a hurry to turn over sovereignty by June 30.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 9:10 Comments || Top||

#10  Perhaps its time we went in and arrested his militia. Simply go in and arrest everyone except for Al Sadr and release all the prisoners.

LW is probably right in that it will probably have to be sovereign iraqi's who do it. We just need to make sure they have the firepower and the will to do it and not simply bend over and take it.

In the meantime we need to send a message that the police are 'off limits'. Perhaps send a strong force into his compound to 'explain it to him'.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/26/2004 9:23 Comments || Top||

#11  LH - Sigh. I respectfully disagree - and you know I read your posts very carefully. I'll give you this: that's a beautiful Donk-dream collection of schtuff. Doesn't work for me, but... Impressive display of the wheels within wheels analytical approach. BUT. It's just fucking wrong to ignore him. Period.

Let's get real, here. The Crips or the Bloods of El Lay could snuff this cretin. They would certainly out-gun him. And the fact that they survive in the same fashion right here at home is ALSO wrong. And the reason these types of parasites survive is the touchy-feely hyper-analytical approach which leaves the authorities PC-paralyzed. Daryl Gates so screwed up the El Lay political scene and so poisoned the dialog that this shit continues to this day - when it should've been wiped out 20 years ago -- with extreme prejudice.

Back on-topic... If you don't think 1,000 US troops, hell - make that 500 US troops with the right equipment and support couldn't take this tin-pot clown and his entire cadre of thugs out, with extreme prejudice, in short order then you have not been paying attention. And I find that very very hard to believe. The key to real success, which it seems is still a "lesson too far" for our military in dealing with the Sunni Triangle, is that you have to STAY. You have to be aggressive as hell: raids, raids, and more raids; respond with overwhelming force - meaning ultra-rapid reaction forces always available when contact occurs. If you do this repeatedly, the asshats move on - Darwinism kicks in and those too stupid to do so die; those who figure it out leave the venue. Repeat as needed, where needed. When they have no place where they can play their game, they either go away or get dead. This is how the military should deal with Arab troublemakers - this they will understand and fear - which is Arabic for "respect".

Sorry, I just can't buy a hand-wringing response - even from you bro, on this. Kidnapping police and murdering helpless women - and we both know there's much much more beyond that - cannot be ignored. I'm not much on "sending messages" because I've never seen it work. I'm very big on isolating problems and taking them head-on with direct action - whether militarily, politically, or in my work-a-day technical world.

Is that $.02 worth? :-)
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 13:12 Comments || Top||

#12  Al Sadr is about due for a "work accident". There's too many good people dying on both the Coalition and Iraqi sides while actually working towards a decent and democratic society to suffer pronouncements from this fool any more. This self-serving and self-aggrandizing moron's own widespread infamy will perversely make him the perfect example to the other wannabes out there trying to establish their own little fiefdoms. Take him out, please.
Posted by: Dar || 02/26/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#13  "If you don't think 1,000 US troops, hell - make that 500 US troops with the right equipment and support couldn't take this tin-pot clown and his entire cadre of thugs out, with extreme prejudice, in short order then you have not been paying attention. And I find that very very hard to believe. The key to real success, which it seems is still a "lesson too far" for our military in dealing with the Sunni Triangle, is that you have to STAY"

Its not how many troops it takes to take him out - we obviously have enough troops to do that. Its about what it takes to maintain the occupation after that. If you think this will make it take less, then it actually makes the job easier. If you think it takes more, then youre making the job harder for an already overstretched force. I cant say for sure which it will be from thousands of miles away, but im rather reluctant to second guess the guys on the ground, out of some ideological commitment to "its always better to be feared than loved" Sometimes it better to be feared. Sometimes its better to be loved (or at least not hated). Guys on the ground have a better sense than we do of any particular situation.

Im not sure what this has to with being a "donk dream" since this careful analytical approach is the approach of the current admin, and not just State, but Defense as well.


"Neighbors of Qisme Ibrahim al-Quraishi say she turned up dead 10 days after she was arrested for letting prostitutes use her home."

Helpless women - in fact al sadr and pals would say this ISNT murder - its vigilante justice. Its taking ACTION, instead of handwringing, like the wimpy secular liberals on the Iraqi Governing Council. What we're TRYING TO TEACH THEM is that taking action ISNT always the best thing - handwring, analysis, etc are the keys to civilization. Can't hardly show them that by running around shooting the place up.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#14  You made an intricate case of interconnected reasons for letting him continue until there was some sort of Iraqi force which could handle the problem. I guess, in the mean time, we do nothing beyond the current "strategy" (which I think demeans the term) which is apparently hands-off or, at best, bottle it up and let those inside Sadr's 'hood suffer.

You believe yours is the correct approach, fine.

I disagree. I said why. I stand by every word of it. I found your last notion (action can be BAD) to be both disingenuous and, given how you put it, insulting. Of cource actions can be bad - so can inaction. You can't have it both ways: our guys are good guys but action can be bad so if we act our guys will run around shooting the place up. Really? You implied it rather clearly. Nothing was ever fixed by INaction, though you say that's okay for now, too. Really? Go patronize someone else.

We're done here.
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 16:27 Comments || Top||

#15  liberalhawk, that's just a bunch of overanalyzing hogwash. You go in there with the 4th ID and arrest or smoke his ass end of story. His actions can not be tolerated and pussyfooting around Iraq worried to step on toes is not the way to stabalize it for the future.

Everything you stated sounds like excuses to me. It sounds like the bs arab street crap we've been hearing for a decade. The percentage of people who are totally f-ed up in Iraq and follow Sadr is small. He's nothing. That is unless we make him something by allowing him to stand up to us. Then he actually become what you're afraid he is. By kowtowing to him we will create chaos.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/26/2004 20:50 Comments || Top||


Detained al-Qaeda keep changing statements
Interrogators need time to identify some of the 25 suspects apprehended in a military sweep through the tribal areas because they appear well trained and keep changing their statements, Interior minister Faisal Saleh Hayat said on Wednesday. Security forces swooped on in South Waziristan Agency in a six-hour operation on Tuesday. Authorities pressed the suspects through the night, trying to determine who they are — and whether they had any links to Osama Bin Laden. Among the 25 caught are three Arab women and other foreigners, officials said. “It is always difficult to establish the identity of terrorists, especially if they are members of Al Qaeda, because they are well-trained and keep changing their statements,” Mr Hayat said. “We hope that the interrogation of the people who were arrested on Tuesday will help to find clues about Bin Laden. These investigations are being carried out to reach other terrorists - if they are hiding in Pakistan.”

The interior minister denied a report that a son of Ayman al-Zawahri was among the detainees. “Neither Al-Zawhari nor his son have been arrested,” Mr Hayat said. “It is not true.” A Pakistani intelligence source said on Wednesday all of those held were locals apart from three women who had Kazakh passports. He said five detainees had been released. Director General of Inter Services Public Relations Major General Shaukat Sultan denied reports about the nationalities of those arrested during Tuesday’s operation in South Waziristan Agency. Talking to GEO television on Wednesday, Gen Sultan said their identities could only be determined after the completion of investigations. He called reports about the nationalities of those arrested and reports about Osama Bin Laden’s presence in Pakistan speculative. However, he confirmed that some foreign women were arrested during the operation. He said they were arrested by female police officers and local jirga and were being treated with respect. He reiterated that investigations were under way and no information could be disclosed at this stage. He said the results would not be disclosed even after the investigation is complete because incidents were connected and leaks could harm the larger process. Asked about the demolition of houses during the operation, he said all actions were taken according to the laws and customs of the tribal people and the operation was conducted with the assistance of political authorities and the local jirga.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/26/2004 12:13:10 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
Asked about the demolition of houses during the operation, he said all actions were taken according to the laws and customs of the tribal people

Please answer the question "yes" or "no."
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 02/26/2004 0:16 Comments || Top||

#2  he's a politician, there is no 'yes' or 'no'
Posted by: Igs || 02/26/2004 1:20 Comments || Top||

#3  Sounds like they were trained by Kerry.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 8:29 Comments || Top||

#4  Heavy doses of giggle juice.
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 20:16 Comments || Top||


Abdullah Khadr sez he ain’t a suicide boomer
Abdullah Khadr says he wasn’t the suicide bomber who killed Canadian Cpl. Jamie Murphy in Afghanistan last month. "If I was the suicide bomber, I wouldn’t be doing this interview with you right now," Khadr told CBC News on Wednesday.
That's really too bad.
Abdullah agreed to meet with CBC News at a secret location in Islamabad. He stands a good chance of being sent to Guantanamo Bay if he’s caught. He recalled meeting Jean Chrétien back in 1996 when the former prime minister intervened with the Pakistani government on his father’s behalf. Ahmed Said Khadr was in prison, accused of orchestrating a terrorist bombing in Islamabad. Now, Abdullah says he’s always on the move, afraid he could be killed at any moment, and denies his family is connected to terrorists.
"We're not connected with them. We're just good friends."
He told the CBC he wants to return to Canada, but is afraid he’d be arrested at the airport. Canadian embassy officials in Pakistan say they can’t guarantee his safety. On Tuesday, Pakistan’s foreign minister said that foreign al-Qaeda suspects who surrender would be returned to their home countries unless there is clear evidence they had committed crimes against the United States.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/26/2004 12:11:41 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Khadr should get himself a Saudi passport (no problem) and a student visa, and he can then enter Canada, live a life like Jack the Bear, no worries! Forget Pakistan, it's a dead end for that dead ender.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/26/2004 14:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds like a bad "Get Smart" script.

"You say you didn't blow yourself up? Now that's a likely story!"
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/26/2004 20:29 Comments || Top||


Italians catch 3 live ones
Italian police said they arrested three men suspected of planning terrorist attacks on the Milan subway and the cathedral in the northern city of Cremona, Agence France-Presse reported. Police said a 38-year-old Moroccan was arrested yesterday in Brescia, AFP reported. A Tunisian and another Moroccan were arrested Tuesday as part of the same investigation, AFP said. The men are suspected of belonging to an extremist cell run from the Cremona mosque, Giancarlo Tarquini, public prosecutor in Brescia, said, according to AFP. They are alleged to have planned the Milan and Cremona attacks in December 2002.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/26/2004 12:07:43 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
three men suspected of planning terrorist attacks on the Milan subway and the cathedral

The choice was either to do that or to go get jobs.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 02/26/2004 0:17 Comments || Top||

#2  I think the Italians are serious. Gotta love a land that gives birth to such muses as Oriana Fallaci!
Posted by: mjh || 02/26/2004 8:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Hopefully not part of their "catch-and-release" program...
Posted by: Seafarious || 02/26/2004 13:08 Comments || Top||

#4  The Italians are a lot more serious than France, Switzerland, Belgium, etc. anyway. They're trying at least.
Posted by: mojo || 02/26/2004 18:06 Comments || Top||

#5  do not fuck with the digos
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI || 02/27/2004 2:06 Comments || Top||


Man commits suicide after incest conviction
A 60-year-old man shot and killed himself on Wednesday after a court sentenced him to eight years in prison for raping his daughter. The Airport Police Station had earlier booked Muhammad Bashir on charges of raping his daughter, Sajida Parveen. The Rawalpindi district and sessions judge had exonerated Mr Bashir, but his daughter filed an appeal in the Federal Shariat Court against the decision. A Federal Shariat Court division bench accepted Ms Parveen’s application and sentenced Mr Bashir to eight years’ rigorous imprisonment. After the verdict was announced, Mr Bashir asked the court to allow him to go to the bathroom, where he shot and killed himself.
No great loss there.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 02/26/2004 00:04 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Should of just married the girl. I know it's not normal but hey...if they loved each other...stayed monogomous...payed taxes...taught school...loved children...empowered children...adopted children...black children...Vietnamese children...young boys...dellicate girls...older women...gay men...
Posted by: Lucky || 02/26/2004 1:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Your right about no great loss. Perverts like that should be castrated and put into prison on bread and water. M Bashir was probably more concerned about life in prison rather than remorseful so he was a coward as well as a sick pervert.
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/26/2004 6:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Did they loan him a pistol with one bullet, or did he have a gun in his pants? Doesn't sound like a real secure court.
Posted by: Steve || 02/26/2004 8:27 Comments || Top||

#4  Is that a gun in your pants, or...oh, nevermind.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 8:31 Comments || Top||

#5  That was pretty brave of the daughter to come out with that. A lot of hardliners are probably blaming her in some way for the incident.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/26/2004 10:07 Comments || Top||

#6  Lucky, what part of the word "rape" are you failing to grasp?
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 02/26/2004 12:08 Comments || Top||

#7  What part of "bitter sarcasm" are you failing to grasp?
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/26/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||

#8  It was a bitter post from Mr. Guy, I believe he has strong feelings on this subject.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 18:24 Comments || Top||

#9  The Woody Allen defence did not work?
Posted by: john || 02/26/2004 19:59 Comments || Top||

#10  whitecollar redneck> I got the sarcasm, but I thought it was a clear stab at gay marriages -- I may have been wrong, in which case I apologize.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 02/26/2004 21:16 Comments || Top||

#11  Yes Aris. A clear stab. Homo sexuals, lovers.
Posted by: Lucky || 02/27/2004 0:06 Comments || Top||


Wally pledging to call for vote on Syrian presence here
Progressive Socialist Party President Walid Jumblatt plans to propose a national referendum on Syria’s presence in Lebanon, the first move of its kind since the late President Hafez Assad sent in his army in 1976, An-Nahar reported Tuesday. The Druze leader revealed his intention in a taped interview with BBC’s Tim Sebastian in London, where Jumblatt is visiting. The segment is scheduled for airing on Sebastian’s “Hard Talk” show next Monday, An-Nahar said. The issue came up during a dialogue over Syria’s presence. Sebastian asked Jumblat to explain his statements two years ago supporting Maronite Patriarch Cardinal Nasrallah Butros Sfeir’s demand for an outright withdrawal of the Syrian army from Lebanon. “I did not second the patriarch’s demand for the withdrawal of the Syrian army from Lebanon,” Jumblatt responded. “I said the Syrians should not interfere in all aspects of the Lebanese political life.” Jumblatt then said, “Let’s hold a referendum, let’s do it.”
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 02/26/2004 00:02 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


MILF Rejects Manila’s Peace Deal Proposal, Slams Malaysia
The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) has rejected a proposed government peace deal ahead of the Philippine presidential elections in May. Eid Kabalu said the government panel has offered autonomy for Muslims in the southern Philippines to the MILF, which is fighting for independence. “It was unacceptable to the MILF. The peace deal must be acceptable to both sides. The Philippine government cannot just impose on the MILF and the Bangasamoro people,” Kabalu told Arab News.
"Nope. Can't do it. We want part of your country."
He said the MILF would not be able to sign a peace agreement with the Arroyo government because of the slow pace of the talks and the forthcoming national elections. Kabalu expressed apprehension the government may use the proposed peace deal to bolster President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo’s election bid. “There is no way the MILF can sign a peace agreement with the Arroyo government because there are still a lot of issues to be discussed. Signing a peace deal with the government is next to impossible now, but the peace talks will still continue until a just and lasting solution to the Moro problems is achieved. The road to peace is long and winding,” Kabalu said.
"We're gonna keep talking until we're restocked on arms and ammunition."
He also criticized Malaysia for meddling in the MILF affairs. Malaysia, a member of the influential Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC), is currently brokering the peace talks between Manila and the MILF. Last week, Malaysia urged the MILF to abandon its struggle for independence because it is futile. “Malaysia cannot tell the MILF what to do or what not to do. They cannot impose on the MILF and the Bangsamoro people who are fighting for self-determination. If Malaysia or the Philippine government imposes on us, then it is the end of the peace talks,” Kabalu warned.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 02/26/2004 00:02 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  OK. Everyone who thought they were serious in the first place please raise your hand.....

Didn't think so....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/26/2004 0:11 Comments || Top||

#2  I continue to be disturbed by the MILF acronym....it reminds of the other usage (along with Mary Tyler Moore, Elizabeth Montgomery, et al...) ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 10:47 Comments || Top||

#3  LOL! Barbara Eden... yummmm yummmm...
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 12:34 Comments || Top||

#4  I'd hit it - in a second LOL
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 20:12 Comments || Top||


West Bank Wall Will Make Peace Settlement Difficult: Saud
Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal said yesterday that the wall being built by Israel in the West Bank will make any peaceful settlement of the Arab-Israeli conflict extremely difficult.
"And it's been so easy up til now..."
“This wall not only isolates the Palestinians, but blocks any peaceful initiatives intent on a solution to the Mideast conflict,” the minister told reporters. Prince Saud also said the wall “imposes a new reality on the ground which will complicate matters further and add new burdens to the fundamental issues in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.” Referring to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak’s talks in Riyadh with Saudi leaders, the foreign minister said the two countries had agreed to present a joint paper to the Arab summit in Tunis on improving the Arab situation. “We hope the summit would be successful in tackling major issues like Palestine, Iraq and internal Arab reforms and set out plans for an Arab renaissance,” the prince said. The summit will also discuss proposals to bring about reforms in the Arab League.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 02/26/2004 00:01 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yeah? So what? It's rather simple (simplisme?) to see that the only "solution" the wall makes more difficult is the one where you assholes try to kill Israelis. Build it faster - it's working. Every squirming squeal confirms it.

The only Arab Renaissance likely will be posthumous.
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 3:49 Comments || Top||

#2  I dont think the wall should be built as it is not right. Ariel Sharon needs to think about another solution.
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/26/2004 5:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Tell him it's a "cement filled pipe". That might calm him down.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 8:45 Comments || Top||

#4  What is wrong with the wall,Anti?
Seems pretty obvious that the Paleos like nothing better than to kill Israelies and anybody else that happens to be in the way.
I would think that anything that makes it more difficult to slaughter people is a good thing.
Posted by: Raptor || 02/26/2004 8:48 Comments || Top||

#5  The wall is working. Nuff said. Idiots like Antiwar only dislike it because their heroes the Paleo's can't kill more Jewish children because of it. As a matter of fact it's such a good idea, we should build a wall around the entire Middle East, then wait for them to finish killing each other.
Posted by: AllahHateMe || 02/26/2004 8:53 Comments || Top||

#6  And another thing, why the f*ck do people think the Israelis have any responsibility for providing the terrorists, umm I mean Paleo's with jobs? That's one of the biggest argument against the wall you hear. 'We can't work because of it' I've got an idea, how about building your own damn economy instead of blowing up kids!
Posted by: AllahHateMe || 02/26/2004 8:56 Comments || Top||

#7  The wall is only a Band-Aid to the problem in the area. Even if they pacify the Palestinians by locking them in, Israel continues losing ground in the war of world opinion. They continue using draconian measures against a people with inferior (or non-existent) means to defend themselves who feel they have a similar right to the same land. If we assert the Israeli right to the land, how can we ignore the Palestinians' claims? It's a double standard, especially considering the Israelis' modern claim has some base in the Balfort declaration which was not law, nor meant to be at the time. I don't support either party's claim more than the other. How can we ignore the reality--both sides use terrorist methodology. That assertion should be no shock to anyone. In this age of easily obtained explosives and IED's, a solution that does not lead to peace (acceptable to both sides) will only postpone more violence... Rational people throughout the world, as they study the situation, will find it hard not to conclude neither side is totally right. One last note, not all Palestinians want this violence, just like not all Israelis support Sharon and the wall. Just like not all Americans are cowboys and mega rich (typical uneducated views held by many people in other countries about Americans).
Posted by: chainhead || 02/26/2004 10:53 Comments || Top||

#8  Idiots like Antiwar
how come antiwar cant give him opinion without someone calling him names. would you like it if someone call you names they dont like what you say. that si not good debate.
Posted by: muck4doo || 02/26/2004 11:23 Comments || Top||

#9  Last I checked the wall is to keep Paleoboomers out.
Take a look at a map there is alot of non-Iraelie border.
Posted by: Raptor || 02/26/2004 12:17 Comments || Top||

#10  chainhead:
Draconian measures? How can you label what they have done as anything but kid gloves? Proper response to a suicide bomber is to execute the guys home town en masse.

Reguarding your NPR post above, I stopped listening to NPR in the early 90's because of the blatant bias.

If Israel were really evil, they would secretly arm and encourage more radical settler groups, then move the army in to "protect" them. That would give Israel a permanent offensive they could reasonably deny, and it would be a good counterpoint to what Arafat is doing.


Why don't YOU go do some research before you speak?
Posted by: flash91 || 02/26/2004 13:18 Comments || Top||

#11  "Israel continues losing ground in the war of world opinion."

I think Israelis treasure more the ability to stay alive and be condemned than to be wistfully remembered after the last dead Jooooo is pushed by Paleo death cults into the Med. The difference between the two puts your moral equivalence into the "pathetic" category
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 13:20 Comments || Top||

#12  Oh this is going to get interesting, methinks.

AW's on record as totally pro-Paleo and defenseless regards actual facts, mucky is either a spaz or a drunk and slower than slow on the up-take, and chainhead can recite his official Saab Erakat dogma manual without missing a comma, much less a shop-worn pseudo-fact. Cool!

I guess it would be too much to ask of this trinity of apologists to go back to the beginning, acquaint themselves with the actual facts in context, and then come back for a real debate...

But it'll be fun while it lasts!
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||

#13  Why do the Israelis assert a claim to the area? What is the fundamental difference between their claim and the Palestinians'? The defining rift is in technology and available weaponry.

Do the Palestinians commit suicide bombings just for fun? No, they also feel they have a right to the land and the only message that has worked in reaching the world, in their view, is one of explosions and blood.

No matter how you label the Israeli methodology, it is such that young Palestinians are lining up in bomb vests because they feel they will be killed by the Israelis sooner or later so it'd be better to die on their own terms and take some Israelis out with them. Couple that fatalism with a promise of paradise with everything they can't have in this life and.. boom, you have a vitriolic mix.

Any effort to ignore their claims to the same rights we all desire is to ignore the powerful motivation of a committed group of people.

Can you deny if situations were reversed that we wouldn't feel solidarity with the Israelis in their oppression? That we wouldn't assist in what the dominant Palestinian governing circles (and surrounding Arab governments) would label terrorist operations? That we wouldn't wish for all the peoples of the world to recognize Israel's right to exist as its own nation? I submit we would do that and feel justly vindicated in that wish.
Posted by: chainhead || 02/26/2004 13:46 Comments || Top||

#14  BTW: I do NOT condone Palestinian behavior--Suicide bombings are an atrocity. I am simply saying I can understand why they act as they do.
Posted by: chainhead || 02/26/2004 13:58 Comments || Top||

#15  Tool.
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 14:02 Comments || Top||

#16  chainhead...I take issue with your tired assertion that suicide bombers do it out of desperation. They are not reluctant martyrs, hand forced by israeli oppression. Much the opposite. Time after time, I have seen interviews with these people in which, IN THEIR OWN WORDS, they express eagerness and excitement to martyr themselves for "the cause". "The Cause" is indoctrinated into them by a corrupt, thieving, murderous system engineered by an old EVIL man who cares only for the size of his Swiss bank account, and retaining his power. They kill, because they are told, from childhood, that killing is the key to untold rapture. Celebration of death is institutionalized in their culture. Your viewpoint seems to be the mistaken and well-meaning one of consigning rational motives onto what is an irrational and worthless society from a traditional, Western stance. The desperation they feel is NOT a result of "Israeli oppression" it is a result of the Palestinian cause becoming the cause celebre of every arab dictatorship, propped and supported by those dictators and their lackeys, the European elites.

Israel is being martyred on the altar of worldwide greed and oppression, through the proxy war of these criminal states, executed through the Palestinians.
Posted by: mjh || 02/26/2004 14:38 Comments || Top||

#17  Chainhead is just another fool. Talking about paleo's rights to the land. Sorry, they have no rights to that land. As a matter of fact there is no such thing as a "palestinian" anyways. Those people are Jordanian's and Egyptians put into a permanent refugee status by their own corrupt governments and the UN. Used as pawn's in the proxy war being waged against Israel by the islamocreeps.

muck4doo, you want debate? Try bringing some facts to the table instead of tired, rehashed lies. F*ck you and f*ck the jor-dyptians. They don't DESERVE a country. At various times in the past they have been offered more concessions than they deserve and every time they just start blowing shit up again. Until IDIOTS like you get your head out of your ass and realize that they don't want peace, they want Israel gone and the Jews dead, then I suggest you, antiwar and chainhead sit in the corner and STFU.
Posted by: AllahHateMe || 02/26/2004 14:57 Comments || Top||

#18  There is no question that many of the suicide operatives of today are excited by the work they will engage in. The last stat I read on the issue stated nearly 75% of Palestinian youth look forward to being shaheeds (martyrs) in Allah's cause. That is partially the result of indoctrination from a young age by their old Evil Man's institution, but would that fate be so eagerly embraced if there were another option available to them? If they thought they could have a happy life any way other than going to paradise? The Palestinian mothers state how proud they are their children are blowing themselves up. It is doubtful they would feel the same way if their kids had another, brighter option for their future.

It's the same kids who are so eager to become martyrs that are saying they would rather die attempting to take out some of their oppressors (their view) than being crushed under an Israeli tank tread. Hence my comment about them "lining up in bomb vests." Let me change that to eagerly lining up in bomb vests.

Blame? Partially, the institution that indoctrinates them, partially, the environment that shapes their existence.
Posted by: chainhead || 02/26/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#19  allahahteme i never say anything about palasneans just that name calling is not good debate!
Posted by: muck4doo || 02/26/2004 15:47 Comments || Top||

#20  chaintime...I think we are getting close to agreement here. THe Palestinians need another option. But FOR WHAT REASON and BY WHAT LOGIC, is it the responsibility of Israel (a separate, sovereign state) to provide those opportunities?

Palestinians are prisoners...but they are prisoners to their own backward system. The "environment that shapes their existence" is the Palestinian "state", institutions, and leaders
NOW...tell me why Israel should be saddled with the burden of dealing with the results, and correcting the morass of this system next door. (An expectation, I might add, expected of no other state in the world except for the US--witness Frances empty calls for an "international"--read American force to intervene in Haiti).

NOW...assuming that we agree Israel should not be saddled with that burden, what are the options available to Israel? 1.) Total warfare until unconditional surrender; 2.) Surrender and cease to exist as a democratic state; 3.) disengagement.

Given those three options, they are choosing the ONLY option left open to them. And sycophantic arabophiles and pie in the sky internationalists need to realize this fact.
Posted by: mjh || 02/26/2004 15:58 Comments || Top||

#21  Psst.... VRC is that you?
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 17:06 Comments || Top||

#22  Nope...but VRC mus' be a smart feller ;)
Posted by: mjh || 02/26/2004 17:13 Comments || Top||

#23  chainhead:

It's the same kids who are so eager to become martyrs that are saying they would rather die attempting to take out some of their oppressors (their view) than being crushed under an Israeli tank tread.


Now this is just ridiculous. The Israelis are going around running over 'Palestinian' (made up name) kids with tanks?

They have a thoroughly modern military, they've beaten multiple Arab armies several times. They have nuclear weapons, There is no nation on the face of this Earth that is more of a pariah state than Israel, so if they wanted the 'Palestinians' out of the way, they would no longer exist.

If the 'Palestinians' behaved the way they do with an Arab state, I wonder what would happen.

Oh sorry, forgot - Jordan killed about 2000 PLO 'fighters' and several thousand civilians in 1970, after some the PLO did some hijackings and blew up the planes in 'Palestinian'-controlled North Jordan - started off the Black September group didn't it.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 02/26/2004 17:43 Comments || Top||

#24  Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal said yesterday that the wall being built by Israel in the West Bank will make any peaceful settlement of the Arab-Israeli conflict extremely difficult.
They just do not get it. The wall IS the peace settlement.

Oh, one minor point. Any Palestinian attempt to breach the Wall will be considered an act of war. Those new F16I birds? Govern yourselves accordingly.
Posted by: john || 02/26/2004 20:16 Comments || Top||

#25  I appreciate mjh actually having a dialogue and not simply an attack-a-logue. As for the answer to the Pal-Isr question, I don't have it, myself. My only point is that we can't just use a broad brush and only blame the Palestinians for their plight. Who was living on that ground before WWI? The Palestinians. The Brits and France drew arguably very arbitrary lines all through the Middle East ignoring tribal and cultural ties that have existed for centuries. The state of Israel was arbitrarily created and when the Brits tried to reign in the Israelis, they embarked on very focused terrorist activities with the goal of getting the Brits to butt out. It worked and they had their state.

While I can't claim to have a solution to the problem, I do hope we recognize the Palestinians (not Jordanians and Egyptians) had the land before the Israelis began their return from the diaspora and now they have been displaced from it. The idea that Palestine is a made up name or that they don't exist as a people is as ridiculous as asserting there was no holocaust.

The Romans displaced the Jews anciently and renamed the province they lived in Palestine, as that was its name prior to the Jews. If you wish to assert the Jews' right to the land by their ancient claim, then you, by default, have to go even further and grant the same to the Palestinians.

Somewhere in here, I think the Brits have a share of responsibility for how things have shaped up in the area. Any thoughts? Or did Israel just fabricate the right to return to their promised land without any international support?

And Tony, Palestinians have been crushed under Israeli vehicles. The incident I was thinking of was when Israeli vehicles moved into Palestinian areas with big construction vehicles and knocked down houses in which Palestinians were taking refuge. I did take a little liberty in choosing that death from the many possible that the young might prefer to avoid by performing a martyrdom operation.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/26/2004 22:00 Comments || Top||


Iraqi Kurdish group calls for referendum on independence
A group of Iraqi Kurds called Wednesday for a referendum to determine whether Kurds living in the north of the country should form an independent state. "We are an apolitical movement which is trying to make the voice of the people of Kurdistan heard so that they can determine their future," said a spokesman for the Movement for a Referendum in Iraqi Kurdistan. "We have gathered 1,700,000 signatures demanding that a referendum on independence be held amongst people of all religious persuasions aged over 16," said the spokesman, Halkaut Abdullah.
That's a pretty hefty shot across the southerners' bows.
The group, which collected the signatures between January 24 and February 15, was formed after Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was ousted last April. They have been putting pressure on the two main Kurdish political parties, the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) and the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), which have toned down the Kurds' traditional nationalist aspirations to be part of a federal Iraq.
That's because they're in line for a piece of the pie. If they Shiites get their way, they won't be...
Abdullah said the movement decided to collect the signatures to put pressure on the US and Iraqi authorities, at a conference in late December in the northern city of Erbil attended by 135 members. After meeting with its representatives, interim Governing Council member Mohammad Bahr al-Ulum said Wednesday that he thought any plebicite should not be limited to the Kurdish part of Iraq alone. "I told them the referendum should include the Arabs as well so that they could voice their opinion on this question. I told them to make an official demand so that the Governing Council can respond," he told a press conference.
That's the way the Indonesians tried to run the East Timor plebiscite, isn't it? Worked well for them...
The nationalist group's call comes at a time when the PUK and KDP have been putting pressure on a reluctant Governing Council to allow them to control oil revenues and keep their own armed militia as part of a federalist Iraqi state. Iraqi Kurdistan has enjoyed virtual autonomy since 1991.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 02/26/2004 00:01 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The reality is no arab iraqis will allow JKurds independence WITH Kirkuk and the northern oil fields. And the Turks would go to war over that. Now if the Kurds want independence WITHOUT Kirkuk and the Northern oil fields, many Iraqi arabs (Chalabi for example) would grant them that, although the Turks might still object. I think they are much better off getting their piece of the pie within an Iraqi state - and lets be clear, its very much in the US interest for them to stay in the Iraqi state - they represent the most solidly democratic, capitalist, and secularist interest in Iraq. Taking them out impacts the balance of politics in rump Iraq very negatively.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 9:19 Comments || Top||

#2  LH -- good point on "US interests," and I don't see much evidence that Kurdish leaders want full independence. Rather, they want as much autonomy as possible within a federal state. BUT -- do you really think that Turkey would "go to war" over this issue? Turkey may make empty threats, but it would hardly throw everything away over Iraqi Kurdistan. Forget the EU? -- and become an enemy of the US? No way.
Posted by: closet neo-con || 02/26/2004 12:02 Comments || Top||

#3  They wouldnt declare war on Iraq and the US. Theyd exert heavy pressure on the new Iraqi govt to let them assist in putting down the rebellion. This would be like pushing on an open door, since the new iraqi govt would hardly want to see the Kurds take the oil with them. So the Turks come in nominally on the side of the Iraqi govt against "illegitimate Kurdish rebels" Do you see the US fighting the Turks over this - do you see the EU having problems with it? I dont.

And dont forget theres a large population of ethnic Turks ("Turkmen") in Kirkuk. IF the iraqi govt doesnt invite the Turks in, they can go into Kirkuk as a "humanitarian mission" to stop the purported massacres of Turkmen. Yeah it wont be without diplomatic cost, but it probably doesnt mean losing the EU or becoming a permanent enemy of the US.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 15:10 Comments || Top||

#4  There's a real reason I always play Turkey in Risk.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/26/2004 16:55 Comments || Top||

#5  as Fred said - this is a shot across the Shia's bow - you want the Merkins out and a plebiscite? Guess what? Our end of the country has the majority of the oil...your's has....Shia holy sites...sounds like a fair trade
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 20:06 Comments || Top||


Conservatives Crowned Winners in Iran
Iran’s conservatives were yesterday crowned as winners of the parliamentary elections, securing a firm majority in the assembly after polls that most of their incumbent reformist rivals were barred from contesting.
Yeah. I've been on the edge of my seat while the votes were being counted...
Final results from the Interior Ministry showed a likely coalition of hard-liners, conservatives and other right-wingers holding 156 of the 290 Majlis seats after the first round of voting. Reformists were decimated with just 39 seats. In addition, they can only contest 17 of the 58 seats that need a second round — pointing to a crushing right-wing majority when the new parliament convenes in May. The result was hardly a surprise, given that the fix was in Guardians Council blacklisted most reformists ahead of the polls. But it was nevertheless a devastating blow to the reform camp, which swept to power in 2000 with a huge majority in the Majlis but saw its efforts to democratize the country blocked by more powerful hard-liners in the Guardians Council, judiciary or other right-wing bastions.
Showed all that "democracy" stuff up as play-acting...
It will also spell isolation for President Mohammad Karensky Khatami, who will be one of the few reformers left in public office before his second and final term ends in June 2005. Although his drive for political and social reforms look set to be halted, conservatives have vowed they will keep up economic reforms.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 02/26/2004 00:01 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Khatami's vision will be missed, for sure. But the conservatives are aware of their new status as the "everyman of Islamic society". With that in mind you'll see real progress! Nay sayers be damned.
Posted by: Lucky || 02/26/2004 1:11 Comments || Top||

#2  This reminds me of Saddam's election victory a couple of years ago.
Posted by: Tom || 02/26/2004 9:44 Comments || Top||

#3  I'm starting to get really tired of the Western media's use of the word "conservative" to describe these Islamic Fundamentalists.

I am a "conservative", by which I mean I believe in classical liberalism and laissez faire government.

Conversely, I'm tired of left-wing socialists labelling themselves as "progressives"...as if they have a monopoly on progress. Tell that to students in the US public schools...


Posted by: mjh || 02/26/2004 14:49 Comments || Top||

#4  Oy - we've got at least 3 working definitions of liberalism - 1. so called classical liberalism, with laissez faire 2. used for what in late 19thc europe would be called radicalism - anti - laissez faire and redistributionist, but not quite socialist - blame David Lloyd George and the Lloyd George liberals. 3. The definition i prefer, in larger history, which includes EVERYONE in between the classic anti-democratic conservatives on the one hand and the Marxists on the other - so it includes BOTH laissez faire liberals and lloyd george liberals - both ronald reagan and Ted kennedy. Thats a disagreement within the broad parameters of 19th c liberalism.

and for conservativism - we use it for genuine old tory distrust of liberal secularism and democracy - you get that in Buchanon, and occasionally a wiff of it in George Will we use it for the "liberals" of definition one - and we use it for anyone trying to conserve an existing political/social system from Russian communists to iranian mullahs - its a synonym for status quo defender.

and all complicated by the levels of status quo. Is someone taking down a bureaucracy that was trying to change the private sector a radical (vis a vis the bureacracy) or a conservative (vis a vis the larger society)

Basically i would accept that labels change with time and place, and are specific to the situation. Im a liberal on blogs like this - in reality im really seen as more of a moderate in American society today - and 30 years ago my views would have been conservative. IN europe today theyd be conservative, if not reactionary.

Im a hawk on the middle east, but among my Jewish and Israeli friends im a moderate dove (as i am on this blog - at LGF im strong dove)
Religiously some jews see me as a modernizing heretic - while i have relatives who think im orthodox.

Make your own label - me, im a third way neo-liberal with social democratic tendencies, sympathies to neocon foreign policy, modified by limited neo-Wilsonian internationalism. And thats only the start. If you can be described in a word, your too simple.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 17:25 Comments || Top||

#5  When the other side totally jugs elections, it's time to get nasty. Never thought I'd say it, but let's start shipping arms to Oom.
Posted by: mojo || 02/26/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||


Pakistan will cooperate with US to catch Osama: Kasuri
Foreign Minister Khurshid Mahmood Kasuri has reiterated Pakistan’s cooperation with America to catch Osama Bin Laden. Addressing a news conference in Qatar on Wednesday, Mr Kasuri said Osama was not in Pakistan and the operation being conducted in the Pakistani tribal areas was meant to root out terrorism. He said this operation was not against any particular person.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 02/26/2004 00:01 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  yah"becouse you want to be married by kafirs,you have to do anything to please them,even if they order you to open your ass wide.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/26/2004 4:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Lol! And Anonymous should know - obvious experience is rather hard to argue with. And fuck you kafr if you don't agree with him, you fucking guy!

I can shout, don't hear you!
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 4:21 Comments || Top||

#3  #1, it's all assholes with you people isn't it? Sounds like you've spent a little private time with the imam yourself.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/26/2004 7:00 Comments || Top||

#4 
becouse you want to be married by kafirs

Uh, ... what?
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 02/26/2004 8:31 Comments || Top||

#5  "He said this operation was not against any particular person. "

Could mean its against a couple of particular persons. Or that they think there are senior guys there, but not sure who. I presume theyre not going to all this trouble to arrest cannon fodder.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 9:13 Comments || Top||

#6  yah"becouse you want to be married by kafirs,you have to do anything to please them,even if they order you to open your ass wide.

They clergy and the justice of the peace are very demanding these days. I would remain anonymous too with comments like that.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/26/2004 9:57 Comments || Top||


‘Kingdom Has No Plans to Develop N-Technology’
A senior Saudi scientist said yesterday that the Kingdom has no plans to develop nuclear energy or to become a nuclear power. It is, however, working to expand its radiation monitoring capabilities. Dr. Khaled Al-Eissa, deputy director of the Institute of Atomic Energy Research (IAER) at King Abdul Aziz City for Science and Technology (KACST), said that fossil fuel will remain the cornerstone of the country’s energy policy for the time being. He said that peace-loving Arab states, including Saudi Arabia, had never sought to possess nuclear weapons.
"Why would we want to do that when we can rent 'em from the Paks?"
The Kingdom, he said, had been mainly focusing on applied nuclear research for industrial and health purposes. The majority of research projects on which KACST scientists are currently working are funded by local industries including Saudi Arabian Basic Industries Corporation (SABIC) and Saudi Aramco. “The Kingdom has imposed stringent restrictions on industries, hospitals and nuclear medicine centers in terms of using nuclear technology,” said Dr. Al-Eissa.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 02/26/2004 00:01 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nuclear Power!
Posted by: Lucky || 02/26/2004 0:36 Comments || Top||

#2  And don't forget the Ring of Power, General Lucky! All Middle Earth is under attack by 'zoids and other creatures of darkness... the time of the Elves is past and many have fallen under Little Mo's Sauron's spell... and they beseech you to help them, sire sir!
- Pvt .com, The Army of Very Lucky
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 3:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Of course, if somebody gave it to us...
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 8:51 Comments || Top||

#4  The Saudis don't need to rent Paki bombs. They're already the lienholder.
Posted by: 11A5S || 02/26/2004 11:56 Comments || Top||

#5  261 billion bbl of highly radioactive oil reserves (or at least on the surface) would be no assets at all.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/26/2004 13:47 Comments || Top||

#6  AP - That's why I prefer my weapons for oil field use to be unsalted. While the asshats rush about hoping to just spread salted debris, I believe there is too much salt in their diet already, so I prefer isotopes of gold used with pin-point precision. The state of their culinary arts is much too sloppy for my taste.
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 14:19 Comments || Top||


Slum residents lynch six suspects
Six people suspected to be thieves were yesterday lynched in Nairobi's Kibera slum area. Irate residents clobbered three of the suspects to death using home-made weapons while the other three were necklaced with tyres and their bodies burnt beyond recognition. They accused them of being members of a gang of about 20 youngsters which has been terrorising them.
Important safety tip here: Terrorizing can be a two way street...
"These people have been terrorising us. We ask the police to arrest those who escaped or we shall kill them also," a resident, who wouldn't give his name, said.
If I was them, I'd consider continuing to escape, like to Uganda or someplace...
Drama started in the wee hours of the morning when one of the residents of the Kianda area was attacked by the gang. Residents came out of their houses in their hundreds to answer a distress call by the victim. They arrested a woman whom they beat up but spared her life when she volunteered to show them the whereabouts of accomplices.
"I'll talk! I'll talk! Just stop hitting me there!"
It as at this point that residents started hunting the suspects one by one. They caught up with three downstream in Raila section and lynched them. They had earlier burnt down a house where one of the suspect was believed to have been holed up. The residents frogmarched the woman upstream and caught up with the other three in the Kianda area. The mob immediately set upon them with building stones, metal bars and wood planks until they passed out. Police officers from Kilimani and Langata took away the bodies.
"Dispose of these, wouldja, Officer Friendly?"
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 02/26/2004 00:01 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Sgt Stone, they're useing home-made weapons."

"Yes I know, but what to do about it?
Posted by: Lucky || 02/26/2004 0:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Ah, yes. The Flaming Tire Necklace. Thank you, Nellie and Winnie for introducing that to the world.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/26/2004 8:22 Comments || Top||

#3  when you outlaw building stones, metal bars and wood planks, only outlaws will have them
Posted by: Frank G || 02/26/2004 9:13 Comments || Top||

#4  People who obviously had had enough, and won't take it any more...
Posted by: Ptah || 02/26/2004 10:17 Comments || Top||

#5  This is very important. It shows that, at least in one small part of the world, the people understand that their freedom and right to personal property is something that THEY have to defend for themselves, if they want to keep it. I hope this becomes epidemic. While I'd like to see things all nice and tidy, done in a court of law under rules of jurisprudence, legitimate vigilante justice that actually gets the right people is just fine by me...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/26/2004 10:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Kenya's 93rd Volunteer Infantry reports for duty . . . .
Posted by: Mike || 02/26/2004 10:59 Comments || Top||


Kenya Muslims Say No to US School Funds
MUSLIM LEADERS have in effect sealed their rejection of an offer by Washington to fund Islamic religious schools in Kenya, by refusing to meet US ambassador William Bellamy during his recent visit to Coast province.
"Nope. Nope. Ain't gonna meet with him. Piss off, infidel!"
Confirming the initiative, Mr Bellamy, who was in Mombasa just over a week ago, told The EastAfrican that his government would consider funding Islamic education in the country once ongoing negotiations were complete. Washington has successfully carried out similar campaigns in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The offer by the US government is part of Washington's global anti-terrorism campaign to win over Muslim hearts and minds, especially in the light of fears that Islamic extremist groups were entering the East African region through the porous Kenya-Somalia border. The US has paid particular attention to Somalia, which has been without a central government since the overthrow of Mr Mohammed Siad Barre in 1991, and is seen as a haven for terrorist groups. Muslim leaders expressed fears that the initiative could be a ploy by the US intelligence to manipulate the curriculum in the schools, popularly known as madrassas, as part of its international anti-terrorist campaign.
That would seem to be a reasonable assumption. Then again, the princes who're paying the freight now say what goes now, don't they?
Sheikh Khalifa, the organising secretary of the Council of Imams and Preachers of Kenya, said it was because of such doubts about Washington's intentions that the Imams declined to meet Mr Bellamy during his visit to Mombasa. "We doubt the Americans' sincerity in supporting Islamic schools and we suspect their aim is to influence our curriculum to suit their interests," he said. Sheikh Khalifa, who is also chairman of the unregistered Islamic Party of Kenya, said Muslim organisations would reject any assistance from the US because "they suspect there is an ulterior motive behind the offer."
"... and we already have our own ulterior motives."
Sheikh Khalifa said the move by the Americans had raised suspicions among Muslims after the Ministry of Education issued a directive requiring all madrassas in Kenya to be counted and to disclose their source of funding.
Nope. Can't have that...
The move was, however, rejected by Muslims who said it was part of efforts to frustrate Islam in Kenya. Sheikh Khalifa claimed that a similar exercise had been carried out in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, indicating that the US had a hand in the Ministry of Education's directive.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 02/26/2004 00:01 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  9:45 PM PST, 27 posts. It's Lucky against the world!
Posted by: Lucky || 02/26/2004 0:47 Comments || Top||

#2  "Washington has successfully carried out similar campaigns in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia"

Intersting, would like to hear more about this.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 9:11 Comments || Top||

#3  I can't say if they have been successful or not, but we have been giving these places funds to change their curriculum from the Wahhabi hate filled crap, to stuff that can actually help the kids get a job later on. We're basically trying to get them to drop Jew Hating 101 and The History of Crusader Atrocity for stuff like Math and Science. I can see this being successful in Afghanistan where there were not very much schools/madrassas in the first place, but it will be much more difficult to implement in Pakiland. I still can't imagine this being successful with the Saudis unless some major change occurs there.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/26/2004 9:44 Comments || Top||

#4  Expect the ACLU to sue based on seperation of church and state.
Posted by: Ptah || 02/26/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#5  And here I thought the "winning hearts and minds" idiocy had been thoroughly discredited and discarded long long ago. I guess the theorists are in the ascendent phase, again.

[rant]
I know, it's sad. "They" know nothing else, have heard nothing else, and understand nothing else -- so in the most generous sense, they're innocents. But, in actuality, they are armed and actively engaged in trying to snuff out our way of life. Sympathy makes no sense if it gets you killed.

Those who are not engaged in such a binary ideology, an "us or them" with no other options available, do not generate the same response. Do we militarily engage people because they're animists? Or polytheists? Or frequently go bowling? Or ballroom dancing enthusiasts? Or love old Broadway tunes? No, though the Broadway bit may make us a little antsy around them. No, only those with whom we can't "live and let live" generate the survival response.

Anyone we might dream of using the "hearts and minds" approach with is not interested in what we have to say -- and is never going to listen, learn, or change. Sure, they want TV's and DVD players and softer sweeter-smelling prayer rugs and A/C for the moskkk. But the Izzoids have amply demonstrated that they will just watch jihadi movies and the sermons of sick imams. If you're offering anything else, you're going uphill against an indoctrination process that began at birth. As Lil Dhimmi points out, Jew Hating 101 and The History of Crusader Atrocity are already in place. We will not be able to displace it - the proof is obvious. Only those who throw off the yoke themselves, of their own volition, for whom the implanted programming never took root, can be spared. For them, we keep an avenue of escape open, but no more than that makes sense.

In the final analysis, this is about who gets to indoctrinate the children. Islam or the Free World. If you look around and discard your prejudices, it's apparent that once an individual reaches late adolescence / young adult, the die is cast. This, in simplified terms, is why I find myself accepting capital punishment as the only response left to us: If it's all grown up and it's broken, well, you're just gonna have to kill it. It can't be reformed if you can't displace / override the programming. Once a successful predator, few can be brought back to become happy vegetarians. Those who can be brought back do it voluntarily. The rest continue to prey until you kill them.

For all predatory mindsets, including simple criminal activity as a way of life (per Goodfellows), the answer ends up at the same place: If you can't take their children away from them before the indoctrination takes place, you fail. The resulting individual is a carrier, as well as a predator. You'll have to sterilize it to remove its influence; you'll have to kill it to prevent it preying.

Islam is designed to be binary; designed to be confrontational; designed to be intolerant; designed to be dominant; designed to subjugate all others; designed to be predatory; designed to be implacable; designed to be virulent; designed to be deadly. The only response left to us is to oppose it, to fight back, to eradicate it.

Predatory, implacable, seeking total dominance, institutionalized barbarism straight out of the Dawn of Man, and utterly intolerant of any other way of life. That's an accurate description of Islam in practice. The ultimate pathogen of the human mind.
[/rant]
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 12:02 Comments || Top||

#6  No to reform, no to polio shots, ban them from coming here.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 02/26/2004 13:56 Comments || Top||

#7  Great rant .com, and I agree with almost everything you stated. However, not all Muslims, fall into everything you stated torwards the end there. I'm referring particularly to Sufis, as they do generaly get along with others not of their same beliefs. See the above post on jihadis trying to recruit in Africa. Also I haven't seen them trying to get revenge in the Balkans for all that happened there. They pretty much more or less are just trying to get on with their lives. Wahhabis on the other hand should all be handed their asses to hell where they belong.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/26/2004 14:50 Comments || Top||

#8  "Islam is designed to be binary; designed to be confrontational; designed to be intolerant; designed to be dominant; designed to subjugate all others; designed to be predatory; designed to be implacable; designed to be virulent; designed to be deadly. The only response left to us is to oppose it, to fight back, to eradicate it."

In agreement with Lil dhimmi, but lets take it further.

then why do millions of muslims around the world resist the Wahabi assault on their local, often (but not always) sufi traditions, why did Saudi have to spend so much money and effort to get them to go the wahabi way.

all the three monotheist religions have things you can quote showing their intolerance, binary character, etc. all have evolved along different lines historically from those quotes. Christianity and Judaism have evolved more decisively AWAY from binariness and intolerance, for good historical reasons most clearly shown in Bernard Lewis's "what went wrong".

This is not so much a clash of civilizations, as it is a clash WITHIN a civilization - from Morocco to Turkey to Kurdistan to Baghdad to Iran to Indonesia to Tanzania to Uzbekistan to Afghanistan to Pakistan.

The guys who focus on hearts and minds are the US Marines, who have spent the better part of a century fighting small wars, and now whereof they speak. NOT academics, lawyers, journos, NGO's or other namby pamby liberals, but US marines whose job it is to deal put down insurgenies, deal with local populations, and restore order.

This IS NOT handwringing. Its truth. Its often uncomfortable truth - let me be the first to point out, the "moderates" who want nothing to do with Al Qaeeda will nonetheless excuse the murder of MY PEOPLE in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem - I dont flinch ONE BIT from my beleif that Israel, even under Sharon, is largely in the right in what it has done - but convincing every muslim in the world to agree with me on that IS NOT job one today, nor is it necessary to kill every last muslim adult because of that.

Look at the history of Pakistan. It wasnt always as it is now. Pakistan, born essentially a Kemalist state under whiskey guzzling Jinnah, was MADE into what it is now, by a group of EVIL people who were VERY cognizant of the importance of hearts and minds - who used money, and madrassahs, and media, as well as guns and bombs. If we are SERIOUS about this war, we will be as serious in using money, and schools (even madrassahs where necessary), and ideas, as we are with guns and bombs.



Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 15:47 Comments || Top||

#9  lets talk numbers

who's fighting the jihadis

we have 100,000 us troops fighting in Iraq, 10,00 in afghan, several thousand in east africa, and a few thousand Spec ops and CIA around the world.

All told less than 150,000 at any given time, outside the US.

The Iraqis have almost 100,000 police, Civil defence, border patrol, etc on the line. The Afghans have about 8000 army troops, plus thousands of pro-coalition militia. The Pakis have just launched an assault in NWFP with over 10,00o troops, and of course Pak cops have lost their lives fighting jihadis in Pak cities. AS have, yes - Saudi police and troops. The algerian army has faught persistently against the local Salafists, as has the Egyptian army and police. Indonesian and Turkish and moroccan police have pursued islamists and made arrests.

The israeli army included Druze and Beduin soldiers. Mohammed dahlans loyalists have taken their first open violent action against Arafats loyalists. The pals turn in the muslim civil war hasnt happened yet, but it will soon.

Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/26/2004 15:53 Comments || Top||

#10  Great points LH, we will have a better fight on the WOT if we work with those who also have strong feelings against our enemies. Remember the Northern Alliance? I think they were Muslims, and they were on our side.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/26/2004 17:09 Comments || Top||

#11  Gentlemen. Just to keep this in perspective, note [rant]...[/rant] tags.

Lil Dhimmi - I wish the Sufis had the oil fields of Eastern S.A., but then if they had been there, they would've been run off by the House of Saud's Wahhabis, just as were the Shi'a who JFM said originally occupied it. The more virulent form of Islam has been in the ascendency since its inception. Read the Haddiths for the philosophy and decent history books for the effect. Since I was in S.A. I did see Islam at its worst. I won't soon forget it. As for the moderate forms of Islam, such as the Sufis, see below...

LH - The Wahhabi money has held sway where it was used, whether efficiently spent or not is a nit you can knock youself out picking. I find the actual effect more important. Where applied, it has radicalized and created jihadis. Your description of PakiWakiLand becoming the stew of insanity it is today makes MY point, not yours. Domestic honey bee, meet Africanized bee. Where the madrassah grads interact with less virulent forms, they are dominant - they get support, funding, shelter, and recruits. The moderate Muslim is a Muslim first, other labels are secondary, and will do their bidding when confronted by a jihadi type. This is obvious, isn't it? Perhaps, where you can keep them isolated from the loonies, they maintain their original identities, beliefs, and customary practices. Where they have been infiltrated, they do not.

Like everyone else here in RB, I've waited for the (Mythical???) Moderate Muslim to stand up on his hind legs and decry the actions of his radical Muslim brother. I've waited for something effective, not a Jordanian Hashemite "king" of the true Palestine to make a half-hearted wishy-washy plea, but a condemnation which matches the actions of the jihadis. One that declares them blasphemous, that ostracizes them, that denies them support, that makes it state policy that they be hunted down by every right-thinking Muslim and turned in or taken out. Nothing less will be effective, will it?

Where state agencies have confronted the jihadis, I applaud their successes. These are very few and far between and of little effect in the global scheme. In S.A. this is just Nayef's window dressing for Abdullah - much ado about nothing. In Afghanistan you have warlords as the real underlying problem. Paki is Waki and it was the Wahhabists who did the deed. As for the Algerians vs. the Salafists - how long has this gone on? Does it have any effect outside of Algeria? The Israelis did all of the heavy-lifting, and most of the dying, up until the US received its series of wake-up calls. Now we have assumed Atlas' mantle for all but the tiny sliver of land that is Israel + West Bank + Gaza - all of which would fit inside the King Ranch a few hundred times.

If you can save the Muslims from the Wahhabis, please do. Meantime, we have to do more than pretend the moderates are winning the confrontation with them. Obviously, they are not.
Posted by: .com || 02/26/2004 17:10 Comments || Top||

#12  You both make great points, and I know the frustration you feel .com, because I often feel the same way. Where is all the rage? No one said any of this was ever going to be easy, or resolved quickly. I'm out of here, and this is why I like RB. There are some pretty good discussions to be had.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/26/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#13  Good points all.

Christianity is quite binary. However, I feel our evolution has come from realizing that there's a lot less stuff that should be regarded AS binary, and that there's a lot of stuff that God doesn't give a sh*t about...
Posted by: Ptah || 02/26/2004 19:39 Comments || Top||



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