Saudi security forces killed three suspected militants in a raid on their hideout in Riyadh on Tuesday, officials said. After the shootout, police and security forces cordoned off a neighborhood in western Riyadh in a search for other suspects, the officials said on condition of anonymity. None of the three were identified, and it was not known if they were on the kingdom's list of 26 most wanted militants. The last raid on suspected militants came Nov. 16, when police arrested five suspects after a shootout that killed a Saudi policeman in al-Qassim, 220 miles northwest of Riyadh, the capital. Police seized automatic rifles, pipe bombs and more than $10,000.
But despite the government's efforts, gunmen still managed to attack the U.S. Consulate in the port city of Jiddah on Dec. 6. Nine people were killed in the attack, including four of the attackers when security forces stormed the compound.
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must not have had the "surrounding" training, huh?
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RIYADH — A Saudi diplomat said yesterday he was "confident" Britain would hand over a London-based Saudi dissident accused of links to Al Qaeda. "We are confident that (Saad) Al Fagih will eventually be extradited to Saudi Arabia," Jamal Khashoggi, media adviser at the Saudi embassy in London, said. "There is enough evidence to tie him down to Al Qaeda attacks in the kingdom." Fagih is a pro-reform activist, whose group says it aims to topple the Saudi monarchy by peaceful means and whom the United States has named as a suspected associate of Al Qaeda.
Apparently the monarchy isn't holy enough.
Saudi Arabia has accused Fagih of involvement in the wave of Qaeda-linked violence that has rocked the kingdom since May 2003 and says he was involved in a Libyan plot to assassinate Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdulaziz. Fagih strongly denies any links with militant groups. Britain has been reluctant to comply with repeated Saudi requests to extradite Fagih, citing lack of evidence.
"Mahmoud! Print up another page of 'evidence'!"
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ISN SECURITY WATCH (28/12/04) - Twelve activists of the radical Islamist group Hizb-ut-Tahrir have been detained in the Moscow region and Muslim-populated Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, and Udmurtia republics in central Russia, Interior Minister Rashid Nurgaliev told journalists on Saturday. The detained men were on the international list of wanted persons, he said. Hizb-ut-Tahrir - a group that does not condone violence, but calls for the creation of a global Islamic caliphate - is banned in Russia and several Central Asian republics.
Actually, it does condone violence. It just ostentatiously avoids violence while pushing cannon fodder into allied groups that do use it...
Nurgaliev said the detained activists were suspected of carrying out terrorist attacks, premeditated murder, and other grave crimes. He said their apprehension was the result of a joint effort among law enforcers from Russia, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan.
The acts were no doubt carried out while wearing their Islamic Rotary turbans, rather than as Hezbies...
Uzbekistan has been accused by human rights activists and international observers of using the US-led "war on terror" to justify a crackdown on dissent, especially among Hizb-ut-Tahrir members. No solid evidence has ever been presented to suggest that Hizb-ut-Tahrir is a violent extremist group, or that its operatives were behind a series of terrorist attacks in Tashkent in July, as Uzbek authorities claimed.
Oh. Well. In that case it probably wasn't them. Best just let them all go...
DAYTON, Ohio (AP) -- A former Ohio Army Reserve commander who was court-martialed for taking abandoned Army vehicles in Kuwait so her unit could carry out its mission in Iraq returned home Monday after serving a six-month sentence. Maj. Cathy Kaus defended the actions taken by herself and her fellow soldiers. She said she has applied for clemency. Which she richly deserves.
"What we did, we did at that time because we thought we needed to do that," Kaus said at Dayton International Airport, adding that she would do it "all over again" if put in the same circumstances. Kaus, released Monday from a Navy brig in San Diego, said she was convicted of theft, willful neglect, abandonment and conspiracy of abandonment. She was among six Ohio reservists from the Springfield-based 656th Transportation Company who were court-martialed at a time when some U.S. troops in Iraq are complaining they have to scrounge for equipment. Members of the unit said they needed the equipment to deliver fuel to U.S. forces in Iraq for everything from helicopters to tanks.
According to one of the reservists who was court-martialed, they took two tractor-trailers and stripped parts from a truck that had been abandoned in Kuwait by other units that had already moved into Iraq. "I think the punishment was a little bit on the unfair side, maybe kind of extreme and kind of harsh," Kaus said. Sens. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, and Dick Durbin, D-Illinois, have asked for clemency for the soldiers. Nice to see nonpartisan support for these soldiers.
Clutching a bouquet of red and white carnations, and wearing jeans and a V-neck sweater, Kaus was embraced by friends as she walked past the security checkpoint and into the main part of the airport terminal. A 28-year military veteran, Kaus said she wants to stay in the service and would go back to Iraq. The military punishes her and she's still willing to head out on another tour of duty. I'm thinking we need more soldiers like her.
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"It's always easier to get forgiveness than it is to get permission."
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And I certainly hope it's forthcoming in the way of a complete pardon. This is typical JAG REMF work - for something that happens in every war and is usally rewarded, not punished, by those who have felt the pointed end.
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MAJ Kaus certainly deserves clemency, and a full and unconditional pardon. The cast of halfwits who (1) charged and (2) convicted her, on the other hand, deserve to be busted to E-1, dressed in bright-orange BDU's, and sent on patrol in the nastiest part of Iraq that can be found for them to experience. For Chrissakes, in my day if scroungers had been routinely court-martialed, the fleet would have rusted at pierside and the supply of Chief Petty Officers would have been almost nil.
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And BTW, where the hell is the Army Chief of Staff in relation to this and similar REMFs-run-amok stories covered here and elsewhere. I thought he was such a baaaadasssss Spec Ops type, too. Why the phuque isn't he doing mass firings of nonhacking officers who try to pull stateside garrison bullshit in the middle of a war? When George Marshall took over as CoS in '39, he fired generals and senior colonels by the dozen, promoting the future superstars of WWII to take their places. Not a peep from this guy...
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What RbR says in 3 & 4. Unofficial military wartime doctrine is: Adapt, Improvise & Overcome. Firing squads for the JAG and Command REMF's!
-AR
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GEEZE! I guess I won't mention how long I had that Hummer, that didn't exactly belong to our little unit, during the first gulf war. I didn't strip it but sure appropriated it for our use for a few months, I imagine the proper unit got it back eventually...
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Right you are RbR.
If these standards had been diligently applied during my career, I would have "retired" at E-1 rather than the somewhat higher rank I mentioned the other day.
Stories like this actually go back to WWII and perhaps further. My father was on Guam and was involved in the AAC liberation of a refrigeration unit from the USN that contained ice cream. I suspect it too found its way back to the "proper unit" but may have been a bit lighter.
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Some may recall the field version of a beer run, heh. In my time I'd suggest it was a Good Thing⢠the majority of JAG people were otherwise engaged in interviewing and lining up jobs to coincide with separation.
Kaus & Co, however have too much class - and were accordingly punished for it.
I've just emailed one of my Senators, a certain Mr Harry Reid who is also the Donk Minority Leader, to inform him of my thoughts regards Kaus and her crew. I recommend this action for all RBers.
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Military "scrounging" like this has been going on since the advent of warfare itself. What's changed is the ascendancy of hidebound bean-counting spec writers over resourceful and industrious warriors. It is a form of elitism and, as always, such upper-echelon thinking usually ends up getting our boots-on-the-ground killed.
A similar shift has occurred in American business. It was pointed out by Jeffry Love in his book about McDonald's Corporation that, back when the hamburger company was starting out, about the only way into all corporate executive management positions was through sales.
All that has changed with the advent of MBA programs and the CEOs who graduate from them. There is no longer any charismatic leadership by those who have risen through the ranks. Instead we are greeted by ivory tower economics and complete disregard for the rank and file work force.
Witness how few of our politicians have ever run a profitable business but feel entitled to designate how our tax dollars should be spent. Examine how so many corporate leaders no longer have the least concern for creating careers and instead gleefully slash workforces to incur false profitability that boosts the value of their stock options.
It is this same mentality being exhibited in the prosecution of Kaus and, whether it be in our military or the private sector, both stifle performance and attainment of objectives.
Some of the highest praise I have ever received in a job reference mentioned my "ability to work with or around company procedures." This was from one of the only bosses I've ever had that purposefully gave me the time to attain excellence.
The profound lack of leadership-by-example that permeates America all the way to its very top executive suites and governmental offices is a lethal poison that threatens to cripple our national preeminence.
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AARRRGGGHHH...the more I think about this story, the madder I get. Yet another reason why the Army brass needs to be purged harshly: this lady was court-martialed and jailed for doing her job in what appears to be a meritorious manner - accomplishing her mission despite the obstacles. Meanwhile, the alleged BG Janis Karpinski (also a USAR officer), whose nonexistent leadership was the genesis of the Abu Grabass "scandal" and gave the Quislingcrat/media fifth column a huge win in their plan to discredit and derail the war effort, remains free and uncharged.
And yes, I think .com (#10) has a good idea in contacting relevant Senators and Congresscritters on this issue. It might be worth contacting Rep. Duncan Hunter's office - he's chair of House Armed Services, and his own son is a Marine officer deployed to the Sandbox.
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As I recall the story, one point made in the courts martial was that the defendants not only 'liberated' needed equipment, they then lied to investigators about the equipment. I suspect (don't know mil justice) that cheezed off the investigators.
I wonder what would have happened if the good Major had said something along the lines of, "Trucks? Oh, those trucks! Yeah, we found 'em, used 'em, great trucks. Oh, um, yeah, they aren't ours, but we delivered fuel to the front with 'em. You want 'em back? Yeah, sure, no probs, um, Monday okay with you?" And then turned to her first sargeant and said something like "Top! Get those fxxxing trucks outta here! We've been busted!"
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Steve, you are correct. Both the Major and the CWO should have known better. They lied to investigators and attempted to hide or destroy evidence. The Army doesn't courtmartial senior officers like this for scrounging.
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I've closed down three units during my military career. At each one, there reached a point where Supply wouldn't take back any more "office supplies". One unit threw theirs in a dumpster (I recovered 90% of it). I sent several TONS of stuff to other units in the local area, and one time drove an Air Force 1-ton pick-up loaded with office equipment 70 miles to another unit for their use. "Scrounging" was an essential skill for an NCO to have. In Vietnam, we "scrounged" enough military hardware to outfit a self-protection company, complete with mortars and machine guns. Scarey for an Air Force unit sitting right beside 7th Air Force Headquarters, and only a block from MACV!
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With a little offense intended, guys, when "scrounging," don't
a. conceal the fact of illict use, appropriation, or "theft" of military property, even when it's "necessary" to mission completion.
b. act in a conspiracy from a position of authority to keep concealing the fact of unauthorized scrounging, theft, and destruction of military property.
c. you DON'T chop-shop the vehicles you stole, erase identification numbers and forge maintenance logs, and refrain from returning them to their legitimate operators. THAT'S CALLED "ADMISSION OF GUILT."
I thought we were supposed to foster some sort of personal responsibility in our troops. If these vehicles were so "mission critical," why can't the troops that took them simply fess up to their violation of regulation, and claim mitigating circumstances, BEFORE they get courtmartialed???
Like I said in the discussion of Birt a month or so ago, Kaus got off easy compared to some in her command.
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The hiding / covering up / lying did the deed. To be honest, I didn't recall that, but my heart is still with the scroungers and doing the mission. I was short-sheeted enough times to understand the frustration, but I didn't try to hide it. In fact, I took a Battalion Art 15 once when I fessed up to some midnight requisition activities. It was overturned somewhere up above that - never knew who did it, but obviously they had been there / done that themselves. There were a few other interesting events in which I was not bailed out, lol... I made Spec-4 twice, heh.
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8 years of Clinton approved flag rank officers who are now atop the military - book bound, risk averse types who are more concerned with blame than victory.
So they screw soldiers for doing whatever is neccesary to win battles and save lives. How does this surprise anyone?
I am not surprised. This is why the 2008 elections are going to be very important. We need 12-16 years of conservatives to wash away the 8 years of filth from Clinton.
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8 years of Clinton approved flag rank officers who are now atop the military - book bound, risk averse types who are more concerned with blame than victory.
So they screw soldiers for doing whatever is neccesary to win battles and save lives. How does this surprise anyone?
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8 years of Clinton approved flag rank officers who are now atop the military - book bound, risk averse types who are more concerned with blame than victory.
So they screw soldiers for doing whatever is neccesary to win battles and save lives. How does this surprise anyone?
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If you fight back you don't get killed with your hands tied behind your back.
If you allow known Bathists to wander around and breath they will try and wack you.
A group led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi today said it had tried to kill Iraqi Shiite leader Abdel Aziz al-Hakim and warned of more attempts on his life, according to an Internet statement. "On Monday, a lion from the martyrs' brigade of the Qaeda Organisation of Holy War in Iraq launched an attack on one of the apostates and traitors. Hakim, we tell you that if the arrow has failed to strike you, there are other arrows in our pouch," the statement said. Hakim, head of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), survived a suicide car bombing yesterday, which killed 13 people and injured 53. He heads a Shiite list expected to dominate next month's election, and is likely to play a major role in Iraq's future.
Which is why they tried to off him. Since Binny just declared Zarqawi his deputy, guess this means war between al-Qaida and SCIRI has just been declared.
Zarqawi's group also claimed in web statements today an assassination attempt on an Iraqi general, but distanced itself from an earlier attack on the Jordanian embassy in Baghdad. "A lion from the martyrs' brigade of the Qaeda Organisation for Holy War in Iraq attacked the house of the apostate head of the National Guard," one statement said. But the group said in another statement that it was not responsible for a fuel tanker explosion near the Jordanian embassy, which killed nine people. The attack appeared to have been a suicide attack on the embassy.
Trying to leave the door open in case he needs to return to Jordan?
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Well. Maybe this will get the Irainians to try and help us, so thier puppet in Iraq can live.
GAZA (Reuters) - An Israeli drone aircraft fired a missile into a car carrying two Hamas militants in Gaza on Tuesday but both escaped without serious injury, witnesses said. Some passersby suffered minor wounds, they said, in the incident in the city of Khan Younis, a bastion of militants who often fire mortar bombs and rockets at nearby Jewish settlements in the occupied territory.
Ahmed al-Passersby, works at the animal shelter, feeding baby ducks.
Palestinian militant sources said the Hamas men were apparently en route to staging an attack on part of the fortified Gush Katif settlement bloc nearby when they were spotted by a patrolling drone and targeted.
Missed them by that much.
In a statement, the Israeli army said aircraft had fired on gunmen blamed for mortar attacks from Khan Younis, including 40 in the past week. Israeli tanks and troops have raided Khan Younis repeatedly to kill or capture militants behind constant rocket and mortar salvoes against settlements. But the attacks by the elusive, mobile mortar squads have persisted, although they only rarely cause casualties.
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easy enough to find these guys - look for the Paleos with the soiled undies...
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After the shootout, police and security forces cordoned off a neighborhood in western Riyadh in a search for other suspects, the officials said on condition of anonymity. None of the three were identified, and it was not known if they were on the kingdom's list of 26 most wanted militants. The last raid on suspected militants came Nov. 16, when police arrested five suspects after a shootout that killed a Saudi policeman in al-Qassim, 220 miles northwest of Riyadh, the capital. Police seized automatic rifles, pipe bombs and more than $10,000.
The detained men were on the international list of wanted persons, he said. Hizb-ut-Tahrir - a group that does not condone violence, but calls for the creation of a global Islamic caliphate - is banned in Russia and several Central Asian republics. 
