Hardly. It's not been the Party at the head of the debate. It's been the people more than any cognizant organization on the part a very absent leadership that appears to be weeks if not months behind the growth of opposition. It's gaming in the Senate is not making any friends among the those mobilized either.
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The Senate Pub leadership has a problem -- two of them, Snowe and Collins. Those two, and perhaps Voinovich as well, will vote for a health care bill that allows them to weasel by. Voinovich is retiring and the other two will be elected from Maine as long as they live.
The other 37 Pubs can't stop anything by themselves. So an astute Minority Leader has to play with a weak hand, and that involves a lot of feint, bluff and misdirection. He may not have get a single Blue Dog on his side if the 'public option' is set to one side (temporarily, it appears) or if the majority has some cunning plan to finagle said option.
So the Pubs are stuck in the Senate, and I don't blame them for the situation. I blame the 60 Dhimmicrats who are going to vote for this. They are the majority and they are responsible.
Ditto in the House, where the Pubs have fewer options.
It's not the Pubs that are the problem. They're powerless. Blame the ones responsible.
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They'll "win" the debate
The bill will be passed
Too many trunks will vote for it
They'll not win the next election.
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the dems may well lose seats, as historically happens to winners of the last POTUS election, esp if unemp stays high. But they wont be hurt by passing health care. GOP congressional leadership, which chose a path of obstructionism not taken by Pharma, the Hospitals, the insurance companies, the AMA, or by GOP governors and mayors, will not benefit.
and its odd to see you guys still listening to Karl Rove.
#5
Pharma Bought (Check)
AHA Bought (Check)
AMA Bought (Check) 18% of Doctors are AMA
Ins Co.s Bought (Check)
AARP Bought (Check)
Dems response to Republican Ideas
Tort Reform (Rejected)
Buy Ins across state lines (Rejected)
ID Check for participation in NH (Rejected)
Allow Small Bus and Individuals to band together (Rejected)
#6
Bought? They accepted that provisions of the legislation, esp having MORE people covered would help them. Thats how you make legislation, you balance interests and compromise.
As for tort reform, POTUS offered the GOP something, but not exactly what they wanted. The across state lines is about gutting states abilities to demand minimum components to an insurance plan, driving in the opposite direction from the thrust of the legislation. In general has the GOP said they would support the essentials of the plan - near universal coverage, individual mandates, exchanges, end to adverse selection, etc in exchange for getting ALL their ideas accepted? No. Why should the Dems make concessions that alienate their own supporters (including, yes, the tort lawyers) when the GOP wont support the legislation ANYWAY?
if you mean to say the AMA does not support the views of all doctors, of course you are correct. The AMA supports the Baucus plan, but opposes any public option. Many other physicians groups strongly support a public option. So yeah, doctors are divided.
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Since the Democrats will do anything to get this crap passed, the only response that matters is when Republicans stand up and say, "If you elect a majority of Republicans, we will REPEAL this crap!"
Laws are NOT set in stone, but the Republicans have too long acted as if when the Democrats abuse the hell out of the nation, it cannot be repealed ever. Just because.
BULL CRAP. The Republicans should have repealed countless abuses of the Democrats when they were in power, and didn't.
#11
SW - this survey shows support for the public option physicians across many variables
http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=1790
unfortunately its a survey taken among AMA members, though Im not sure why AMA members would be more liberal than most docs independent of the demographic and other factors mentioned.
Havent seen any other physician surveys this year.
Basically though, if you want to get heard, you have to organize. Anyone can claim support based on anecdotal evidence.
#13
SW some for some against, the public option, yeah.
Do you know of any mainstream medical groups that are opposed to the Baucus plan from the right, that share the GOP position that any major changes to increase coverage are a bad idea?
They're an insurance front standing to cash in on their piece of the action.
One week LH blasts the tea party members as just astroturf for the Republicans and the next week identifies the Democrats own astroturf game players. Freudian projection in work.
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The Shifting Political Sand Pile
Why did the Tea Party / Town Hall protests surprise so many in the political establishment? Why did they make Democrats recoil in horror and send Republicans running for cover when confronted by them? Why did the White House claim to be unaware of the protests and the media feel compelled to ignore and diminish them even when they mobilized hundreds of thousands in demonstrations around the country?
Why did the NY Times find "unnamed Republican officials'... fret over a backlash" to the Tea Parties and downplay their significance? Why are Republicans "wary of the anger directed at all politicians"?
Taxpayer's Tea Party
by Sharon Cooper and Chuck Asay
Ms Cooper fought against Hillarycare.
Take Back Your Government! A Practical Handbook
by Robert A. Heinlein
Dear Mr. Heinlein got involved as a California state committeeman.
I'd add "The New Class" to it.
From tw at 8:20 a.m.: g(r)omgoru, I moved this to Opinion and Home Front-Politics. This is useful information, but not news. Wish us luck next November.
#2
I'm a big fan of Baen books. They offer many of their Sci Fi e-books (usually the first and second books of a series) for free. Beware though, they are addictive (particularly the "Honor Harrington" and "1632" series).
They also have a series of interviews with military fiction authors at their site.
#1
"According to the analysis, those registered voters contacted by Catalist member groups turned out at a rate of 74.6%; the voters who weren't turned out in proportions roughly equivalent to the national average -- about 60.4%. In four states, the number of new votes cast by liberals exceeded Obama's victory margin"
and this doesn't count the ACORN effect
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In an editorial, Pakistan's influential Urdu-language newspaper Roznama Nawa-i-Waqt called for using force against India to resolve the Kashmir issue, stating that decisions can be arrived at "only through missiles."
On the water issue, India has provided the opportunity that we talk openly with this lalaji [village lender] and tell that now decisions will be made through missiles, because the extremist Hindu bania [trader] understands only the language of power. The guarantee of lasting peace in the region can be achieved only this way; and instead of begging for talks with India, we should ourselves determine our own role for establishing peace in the region. The Prime Minister [Yousuf Raza Gilani] is right in his analysis but he should make some headway in the field of action too. After all, he is the successor of late Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto [former Pakistani prime minister] who had announced openly to fight a 1000-year war with India and used to talk to Indian leadership looking straight into their eyes. Why can't Syed Badshah [Yousuf Raza Gilani] do the same?
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#1
Micro penis syndrome. Have you considered a hair transplant and a Porsche instead?
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Scott Ritter, Fmr. U.N. Weapons Inspector in Iraq (1991-98), discussed his London Guardian op-ed which challenges the idea that Iran is close to producing a nuclear weapon. What is wrong with us? Why can't we all be as smart at Scotty boy?
Why does a certain type insist on embarrassing itself in public? Unfortunately there are those who will latch on to this as an excuse to do nothing. Let us hope dear President Obama is not one of them.
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You'd think he'd be too busy getting dating tips from Roman Polanski to be blathering about this.
#4
If they are going away, we'll need some serious global warming gases to keep from a sharp downturn in temps. Will the awesome Al Gore please step forward and save the planet? Pollute, pollute, polute. That may be our only salvation.
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#5
"Are"?
Howzabout "already have"?
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