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-Land of the Free
Battleground state rancher ‘outraged' by Biden stopping wall construction as migrants pour into US
[FoxNews] An Arizona rancher has seen massive numbers of migrants cross through his ranch, which he blames on not only the ongoing border crisis, but the Biden administration’s refusal to finish Trump-era wall construction.

Jim Chilton, with his wife Sue, own a massive cattle ranch which includes land along the U.S. side of the U.S.-Mexico border. When Former President Donald Trump was in office, he built more than 450 miles of border wall, including both new construction and the replacement of prior fencing and other barriers.

Some of that construction occurred on the Chilton ranch with plans to keep building. However, when President Biden took office in 2021, construction stopped abruptly. Contracts were canceled and a stretch of land on the Chilton ranch was left either open or with Normandy barriers which are easy to traverse. There has been some construction under the Biden administration, but it has been largely limited to repairs and some small gaps.

Chilton is furious.

"I am personally outraged that President Biden stopped the wall. The wall works," Jim Chilton, who spoke at the Republican National Convention in July, told Fox News Digital at his ranch.

"It's 32 feet high, and it's got a solid five feet of metal on top, extremely hard to get over. Each of these [bollards] have cement inside. And it's extremely hard to cut it," he said.

"Biden stopped Trump's wall. Hopefully, in my opinion, Trump gets elected so he can finish the wall and secure the border," he said.

After the administration took office, the crisis at the southern border erupted, with record high apprehensions across the border. Those levels have come down this year, but Chilton says he has tracked over 3,560 suspected illegal immigrants on cameras set up in his ranch. He has caught a large number of them on camera.

He says it isn’t the migrants, who turn themselves in to either Border Patrol or a humanitarian group that sets up near the wall gap, that concern him, but those coming in in camouflage and seeking to avoid detection. Backpacks are left on the Mexican side of the wall apparently in preparation for the next group planning to come across.

"People are going north in camouflage and carpet shoes. These are serious hombres," Chilton said "They want to be in the United States without being detected. The Border Patrol rarely catches them. And many of them are packing drugs or other contraband. Some are MS-13 gangsters trying to get into the country. They don't want to be apprehended."

The dangers for the migrants are severe. In the intense Arizona heat, migrants can quickly get dehydrated, disoriented or fall and hurt themselves -- and the vastness of the environment means someone may be unlikely to find them. Chilton, who opposes illegal immigration but doesn’t want people to die on his ranch, has set up a number of taps on the water sources for his cattle, so migrants can get clean water if they reach them and avoid dehydration.

Trump has promised to launch a mass deportation operation and to finish wall construction if re-elected. The Biden administration has said that walls are ineffective, and have promoted a strategy of expanding lawful pathways while implementing "consequences" for illegal entry.

While numbers hit record highs in 2023, numbers this year have dropped sharply, with a drop by more than 50% since June when President Biden signed an executive order limiting entries into the U.S.

Chilton isn’t too concerned for his own safety, given he knows that most migrants who get deep into the ranch are seeking to avoid detection, but he carries a gun -- and drew it when approaching certain areas when he patrolled parts of the ranch with Fox News Digital.

Chilton, who has owned the ranch since the early 1990s, accused Biden and Vice President Harris of having "welcomed people to come into the United States, and they’ve done everything possible to make it very desirable."

He pointed to reports of free travel, bank cards, medical care and housing that migrants can get in some parts of the country.

"Why aren’t we creating jobs for people here like veterans and bringing in more people that will need jobs? Why are we providing housing for the undocumented when our own people aren't getting free hotels? I ask the question, why?"

Posted by: Skidmark || 09/24/2024 09:11 || Comments || Link || [11133 views] Top|| File under: Migrants/Illegal Immigrants

#1  A Texas city, Princeton, has canceled all new construction for homes due to overwhelming influx of people fleeing Dem states due to lack of water, sewer, streets and other basic infrastructure.
Posted by: Glavinter Peacock7962 || 09/24/2024 12:01 Comments || Top||


Better images of the SKS Ryan Routh planned to use to kill President Trump
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#1  A different video on Mr Routh
Posted by: 3dc || 09/24/2024 6:06 Comments || Top||

#2  At least the Assault Bayonet was removed.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 09/24/2024 11:40 Comments || Top||

#3  So, is it like, sighted in?
Doesn't matter how dumb it looks if it makes the 10 ring.
Posted by: ed in texas || 09/24/2024 17:16 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
'Are You Serious?' Why Descendants of SS Men Find Genocide Mentions Laughable
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
by Kirill Averyanov

[REGNUM] The end of September is traditionally associated with the aggravation of relations between Russia and Europe on historical grounds. This year, too, there was an incident between the foreign policy departments of Russia and Germany. More precisely, our Foreign Ministry published a post on the X network, from which it followed that the Red Army prevented the genocide of the population of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus in 1939. The German Foreign Ministry commented on this statement with only one sarcastic question: "Seriously?"
Perhaps Germany recalls the uncounted dead of the Soviet collectivization famines, including Ukraine’s Holodomor, and the destruction of the Great Purge, which aimed to wipe out the classes of intellectuals, independent farmers, and professionals, including military professionals, not to mention various ethnic groups that saw themselves as other than Russian. Then too, Germany has not forgotten the Molotov-Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact, by which Stalin and Hitler jointly divided Poland between them, and that Stalin waxed self-righteously furious because Hitler broke the pact by attacking Russia before the Soviet army could execute their own plan to do the same in the other direction. The two were equally murderous and evil — it’s just that the Nazis were more efficient about it... and were forced to stop when they lost the war. Whereas the Soviet Union continued its drive to conquer until the Berlin Wall in 1989, two generations later.
Judging by the logic of German diplomats, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s assertion is so ridiculous that it does not even need refutation.
To be fair, it could equally be claimed that the Nazis put a stop to Russia’s attempted class genocides in their western lands. But Germany does not offend the world by claiming it.
The current authorities in Germany, a country widely acknowledged to be responsible for crimes against humanity committed in the last century, have previously been noted for their strangely flippant attitude towards the concept of “genocide.” Recall Olaf Scholz’s remark at the Munich Security Conference in February 2022: “The idea that genocide is taking place in Donbass is, of course, ridiculous.” A more recent example is the behavior of Scholz’s wife, who burst into laughter while chatting with Emmanuel Macron’s wife at the Holocaust memorial in Berlin.

But in the case of the current ironic reaction of the German Foreign Ministry, we are not talking about a one-off excess or an unsuccessful remark, but about the manifestation of a systemic approach.

Since at least the early 2000s, the “new truth” about the beginning of World War II has become firmly established in most European countries, according to which the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, or rather, primarily the Soviet Union, are allegedly equally to blame for its outbreak.
The war would have started anyway — it was the Zeitgeist. The two big expansionist Socialisms just happened to be the ones to clash first. This is not a new truth — contemporaneous writers portrayed a world of fuel awaiting an inevitable spark. I have in my personal library two volumes written by the eminent Dutch-American historian, Hendrik Willem van Loon who addressed in Our Battle (1939) and Van Loon’s Lives (1942) the crushing feeling of approaching worldwide conflagration riding the expansion of totalitarian socialism. I commend to you, dear Reader, the very first page of Our Battle, in which Professor van Loon, his generation’s Victor Davis Hanson, writes

Nazi propaganda has already so completely spread throughout our own society that immediately the question will be raised: “Why single out Hitler? Why not attack Stalin and Mussolini, and how about Japan and Turkey?”

Because, while Stalin and Mussolini are surely no better than their German competitor, they are not quite so much of a direct menace to our own safety as that son of the late Alois Schicklgruber, Provisional Imperial and Royal Apostolic Customs Assistant of the Eleventh Class, who as Führer of the Third German Reich is able to dictate his will to the whole of the European continent and who would occupy a similar position in regard to the rest of the world if it were not for the existence of the United States of America.

The same could have been written from the perspective of one of the Eastern European nations about Stalin instead of Hitler. One understands that the Russians want desperately to be the heroes of their own story, but there is just too much contemporaneous evidence. Yes, they were the anvil against which the Nazi forces were crushed, but only because they were pushing to do the same in the opposite direction. Were it not for Stalin’s greed to conquer the world for international socialism, history might have been very different.
This point of view has become generally accepted in European historical science and is strongly supported in the mass media.

And so the “seriously?” question that came from Berlin is not surprising.

It is clear that modern Europoliticians and the Euroscience that serves them exist in their own system of coordinates, in which events are interpreted in a way that is beneficial to them, and many facts are simply hushed up or are not presented as being all that important.

Therefore, today we simply have to tell a lot of things anew, despite the fact that these facts are well known.

Let's start with the fact that the Liberation Campaign of the Red Army, which began on September 17, 1939, 16 days after Germany's treacherous attack on Poland, prevented the genocide of the Ukrainian and Belarusian peoples as part of the Second Polish Republic.
This follows a pattern of the Soviets/Russia dating back to Peter the Great, using Russian foreign policy and military means to prevent pogroms committed against Russian and Belorussian peoples. It also became a casus belli for the 1854 Crimean War which began in the Balkans. So it is also with the 2014 Civil War and the subsequent Russian invasion of Ukraine eight years later. The point to all this is that the Soviets/Russians weren't wrong about their enemy's intentions.
They were not wrong. But they ignore the log in their own eye, especially with regard to Poland and the western lands of the former Soviet Union.
In the Polish state, which acquired its borders in 1921 as a result of the Soviet-Polish war, there was no talk of political or cultural autonomy for Ukrainians and Belarusians. Representatives of these peoples could not realize themselves in Poland in almost any area.

It was precisely in opposition to the Polish authorities that the Ukrainian nationalist movement grew and strengthened, in particular the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) (an organization whose activities are banned in the Russian Federation), for which in 1930 the Ukrainian population was subjected by the Poles to so-called pacification (pacification) - mass persecution with the use of military force. This action caused widespread condemnation by the international community and was discussed in the League of Nations.

A direct consequence of pacification was the radicalization of the Ukrainian national movement in Poland and, as a result, the events of the Volyn massacre.

The Belarusian population was also subjected to widespread infringement: in Western Belarus, all press and all educational institutions in the Belarusian language were liquidated.

In 1934, in the city of Bereza (now in the Brest region; under the Polish regime the city was called Bereza Kartuzskaya ), the Poles created a concentration camp to hold elements undesirable to the authorities.

Despite the consistent policy of assimilation of the “eastern borderlands” (as the eastern regions were called in Poland), the Poles have repeatedly acknowledged the failure of this policy.

As a result, in 1937, a plan was developed in Warsaw to resettle 6 million Poles from central Poland to Western Belarus, who were to colonize the region.

It is not surprising that the overwhelming majority of both the Ukrainian and Belarusian populations greeted the arrival of the Red Army in September 1939 with enthusiasm and greeted it as an army of liberation.

The population of many towns and cities, without waiting for the arrival of the Red Army, rose up in rebellion and independently liquidated the Polish government.

Particularly well known is the uprising in the western Belarusian town of Skidel, where the Belarusian, Jewish and Russian populations jointly drove the Poles out of the town on September 17.

In response, a punitive Polish detachment suppressed the uprising with monstrous cruelty on September 19, and dozens of people were brutally executed. Only the appearance of advanced Red Army units prevented the mass murder of Skidel residents.

But the appearance of the Red Army saved the local population not only from the Poles, but also from the German Nazis.

In the reality of 1939, the Germans reached Brest and stopped there. However, if the Red Army had not taken any action and remained on the eastern borders of Poland, the Wehrmacht would have inevitably continued to advance east and stopped behind Baranovichi, Vileika and Pinsk, that is, 30 kilometers from Minsk.

In this case, the Jewish, Belarusian and Ukrainian populations of these territories would have been subjected to inevitable repression by the Nazi regime in 1939-41.

Hundreds of thousands of people would have been physically exterminated and sent to concentration camps (this is what happened to the population that found itself under German occupation west of Brest). And in June 1941, Germany would have begun the war against the USSR from an immeasurably more advantageous position, capturing Minsk on the very first day of the war and reaching Smolensk a week later.

The appearance of Soviet troops in the western Belarusian and western Ukrainian territories cancelled these prospects.

Western Ukraine and Western Belarus, which became part of the Ukrainian SSR and the Byelorussian SSR, managed to raise their economic and cultural level many times over during the two years of Soviet power, and the indigenous population of these regions gained confidence in the future and stopped feeling like second-class citizens.

Of course, some residents of these regions were subjected to political repression by the Soviet authorities, but the number of these people was relatively small and, most importantly, under the USSR, neither Belarusians, nor Ukrainians, nor Jews were persecuted on the basis of nationality, and certainly were not subjected to genocide, whereas under both Poland and the German occupation authorities their tragedy was inevitable.

In this light, the German Foreign Ministry could, as they say, keep its ironic comments to itself. It is not for the descendants of the SS to teach the descendants of the victors of 1945 how to live.

More from X

This is the document by the Russian Foreign Ministry about the Russian argument of its intentions in Poland in 1939.


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#1  Some Facts and Numbers they need to be forced to read having made such a dumb ass statement

My father was part of Yankee Div. during WWII that took Gusen concentration camp from the Nazi's and what he described was hideous. But he noted on liberation, the still functioning prisoners quickly rounded up and killed the Kapo's.
Posted by: NN2N1 || 09/24/2024 4:10 Comments || Top||

#2  "EUrope is a flowering garden".
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 09/24/2024 4:49 Comments || Top||

#3  the crushing feeling of approaching worldwide conflagration riding the expansion of totalitarian socialism

Exquisite
Posted by: Skidmark || 09/24/2024 8:21 Comments || Top||

#4  “There are invisible rulers who control the destinies of millions. It is not generally realized to what extent the words and actions of our most influential public men are dictated by shrewd persons operating behind the scenes.”

Edward Bernays, 1928
Posted by: Skidmark || 09/24/2024 8:40 Comments || Top||


On the sinking of the Black Sea Fleet ships on September 11, 1854
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.

Text taken from the Live Journal account of chief_a79.

[ColonelCassad] So, on September 2, 1854, the allied army landed in the Crimea in the area of ​​Evpatoria. Having put itself in order after the landing, the enemy moved towards Sevastopol. The Russian army tried to prevent this, and as a result, on September 8, a major field battle took place near the Alma River, which, unfortunately, was lost by our troops.

In Sevastopol, they learned about the beginning of the battle at about 14.00, from the message of the Lukulsky telegraph - "The army entered the battle".

Having received this news, the Chief of Staff of the Black Sea Fleet, Vice-Admiral V. A. Kornilov, accompanied by engineer-lieutenant colonel E. I. Totleben, left for Alma. But they did not get there, since the battle by this time had already ended and they met the Russian units already retreating after the defeat.

Having found the commander-in-chief of the troops in Crimea, Prince A. S. Menshikov, they accompanied him to the Kacha River, and then returned to Sevastopol. It was on Kacha that the order was given to build a barrier at the entrance to Sevastopol Bay. The order itself was probably oral (the army headquarters had not yet been deployed after the battle and communication with Menshikov took place simply in the field). And its content can only be judged from indirect sources and subsequent actions of the Russian command.

The essence of the prince's decision was that by blocking the entrance to Sevastopol Bay, the possibility of an attack on the city from the sea was completely excluded, as a result of which it became possible to turn all available forces of the port, ships, and also partially coastal defense to defend the fortress from an attack from land.

Moreover, to build the barrier, it was necessary to sink the battleships and frigates. The reason why it was necessary to sink them was the great depths at the entrance to the bay - from 16 to 20 m in the place chosen for the barrier. Accordingly, the barrier required ships with a very high side. Therefore, neither the merchant ships available in the city, nor the small-rank warships were completely suitable, only battleships and frigates.

Already in the morning of September 9, Kornilov convened a council of the commanders of warships and other senior officers of the Black Sea Fleet who were in Sevastopol at the time. At the council, the admiral gave a speech in which he described the situation that had developed at that time. The main thing in his message was that the advancing enemy would soon be able to quite easily occupy the northern side of Sevastopol, as a result of which the fleet in the bay would inevitably be destroyed.

As an alternative to sinking, which Kornilov absolutely did not want to accept, he very persistently proposed going out to sea and attacking the enemy fleet. In his opinion, after the defeat of the fleet, having lost hope of supplies and support from the sea, the allied army would not dare to attack the fortress, and the Russian army, hiding in the fortress, would calmly wait for the relief troops. Quite unexpectedly for himself, Kornilov did not find support from those gathered. The absolute majority of the officers present spoke out sharply against his proposal. As a result, the admiral dissolved the meeting that did not support him and gave the officers present the following order: "Prepare to leave; a signal will be given: what to do."

Here, I think, it is necessary to interrupt the chronology of the narrative and say a few words about the meeting of flag officers. Unfortunately, I have never come across a direct indication of why Kornilov convened the council. After all, there was an unambiguous order from the commander-in-chief to sink the ships and no council naturally had the authority to cancel it. It seems to me that Kornilov did not want to sink the ships so much that he tried to somehow legitimize his decision not to carry out Menshikov's order.

There is an interesting mention of this episode in the memoirs of A. A. Panayev, adjutant of Prince Menshikov. He reports that Kornilov asked the prince for permission to bring up the issue of sinking at a military council and apparently even received permission from him to do so, but since the prince was sure that the admiral would not find any support at the council, he did not take part in it. As we can see, Menshikov was right and almost none of the Black Sea Fleet officers dared to follow the will of the commander-in-chief.

After leaving the council, Kornilov went to the prince's headquarters, where he directly announced to him that he would not sink anything and announced his intention to go to sea. Naturally, this caused indignation in Menshikov, but he still repeated his order. Having received a second refusal, the angry prince immediately ordered Kornilov to leave for Nikolaev, and also to summon Vice-Admiral M.N. Stanyukovich (at that time the commander of the Sevastopol port and the military governor of Sevastopol) to him in order to assign him the responsibility for constructing an obstacle. Only now, under the threat of removal, Kornilov was forced to accept the inevitable and accept the decision of the senior commander.

Immediately after this, the admiral began quite a flurry of activity, solving the issues of defending the port and the city under the new conditions. True, at the same time, he still quietly continued to sabotage the order to sink the ships. In particular, he drew up a new plan for the disposition of the fleet in the roadstead, which was approved by the commander-in-chief that same day. After which an order was given with the following content (only the points concerning the upcoming scuttling of the ships are quoted):

“1) Due to the enemy’s expectation here, who, taking advantage of his numerical superiority, has pushed back our troops and is threatening to attack the northern shore of Sevastopol Bay, the consequence of which will be the impossibility of the fleet holding on to the position currently occupied; and going out to sea to fight with twice the number of enemy ships, without promising success, will only uselessly deprive the city of its main defenders - I, with the permission of His Lordship, announce the following orders, which I ask to be immediately executed.

2) The ships are to be placed according to the disposition designated in the plan; of these, the old ones: Tri Svyatelitsa, Uriel, Selaphail, Varna and Silistria, the frigates: Flora and Sizopol – are to be sunk in the fairway. …

10) Rear Admiral Vukotich 1 is to carry out the scuttling of the ships when necessary…”

This document mentions for the first time the ships chosen to go to the bottom. All of them were indeed quite old, having served for 11-19 years:

Tri Svyatelya was launched in 1838, Uriel in 1840, Selafail in 1840, Varna in 1842, Silistria in 1835, Sizopol in 1841 and Flora in 1839.

Moreover, not all of them were from the combat fleet - the ship Silistria by this time had already been listed as a port blockship and was used as a training and artillery vessel.

Ship Sultan Mahmud, the lead ship of the series of which were the battleships Varna, Selafail and Uriel, sunk on September 11. A little later, in the same line of obstacles, the same type of "Gavriil" will be sunk:

By 23.30 on September 9, the steamships had finished placing the ships in the places assigned to them by the disposition. The ships selected for sinking were placed across the fairway between the Konstantinovskaya and Aleksandrovskaya coastal batteries. At the same time, according to Kornilov's adjutant, the admiral was not going to sink the ships immediately, as the commander-in-chief demanded, but in the event "if the enemy takes possession of the northern shore of the roadstead."

On September 10, 1854, there are sketches of Russian ships placed in position for sinking, including from eyewitnesses on the enemy side. In the evening from the 9th to the 10th, and also in the morning of September 10, the English steam frigates "Sampson" and "Terrible", as well as the French screw corvette "Roland" approached the city. It is interesting that at night, the English were even able to approach the Russian ships unnoticed in a boat:

On the morning of September 10, Prince Menshikov again ordered to finally block the fairway and send the ships' crews to reinforce the troops on the shore. In executing this decision, Kornilov allocated the steamships Turok and Danube with a detachment of rowboats to bring various valuables from the ships destined for sinking to the shore. But, still having a vain hope of saving the ships, he ordered that the artillery not be removed from them yet!

But the external pressure of circumstances was inexorable. By this time, the Russian commander-in-chief had already finally decided that the field army would leave Sevastopol (the prince was going to begin his famous flanking maneuver) and the defense of the city would entirely fall on the shoulders of the fleet. Under these conditions, it was no longer possible to delay the creation of a barrier.

Kornilov made the final decision at 6 p.m. on September 10. By his order, the national flag was raised over the building of the Naval Library (then the highest building in the city, on its roof there was an observation platform and a signal mast), a previously agreed upon symbol that the ships must be sunk. Having gathered the commanders of the ships assigned to sink the ships on board the battleship Rostislav, he ordered that everything that could be brought ashore during the night and that they be sunk at dawn.

But in fact, there was no night for the bringing down. Rear Admiral Vukotich, who was in charge of the sinking, ordered that it be started at 19.00 and by 06.00 on September 11, all the ships except the Three Saints were already at the bottom. The mighty 120-gun giant, a participant in the Battle of Sinop, stubbornly refused to sink, demonstrating its excellent survivability.

At 19.00 on September 10, upon receiving the order to sink, the taps were opened and the sinking began. An hour later, to speed up the process, a hole was made in the bottom of the ship with a shot from a specially installed carronade. However, at 09.00 the next day, the ship stubbornly showed no signs that it would soon sink. Therefore, on the orders of Admiral Vukotich, the steam frigate Gromonosets fired 27 shots at the underwater part of the battleship, which did not want to sink. But even after that, Tri Svyatelya stayed afloat for more than three hours! Only at 13.00 did the waters close over the long-suffering ship. The barrier at the entrance to Sevastopol Bay, so desired by Prince Menshikov, was finally created.

What did this give for the defense of the fortress? Of course, the mobilization of all naval resources for the defense of Sevastopol from land, as the Russian commander-in-chief wanted. This mainly resulted in a sharp increase in the number of personnel allocated for combat on the land front. The number of naval battalions in one day increased from 8 to 17! This became possible only because not only the crews of the sunken ships were sent to staff the battalions, but also people from other ships of the fleet, whose crews were reduced as much as possible.

Moreover, it was not so much the number of people under arms that was important here (although of course this is very important), but the opportunity that appeared to send large masses of people to urgent fortification work. The absence of the threat of an enemy breakthrough into Sevastopol Bay, and accordingly the need to counteract this, also made it possible to remove some people from the internal coastal raid batteries, as well as to use all the remaining battleships and steamships to provide fire support to the troops on the Northern side.

The ships were deployed to new positions on September 10. In short, when the enemy approached the city, he saw a fairly strong defensive position, which continued to improve continuously, with a large garrison. At the same time, without the ability to receive full support for an attack on the city from the sea, and having the Crimean Army in their rear and on the flank (the result of that same flank movement), stretched communications (the nearest base in Yevpatoria was 80 km away), which could be cut off by the Russians at any moment, the allies did not dare to attack Sevastopol from the north.

Prince Menshikov brilliantly managed to neutralize the consequences of the defeat at Alma, the allies' "blitzkrieg" failed. Instead of a quick operation, they were forced to switch to a long siege. Without blocking the fairway, this most likely would not have happened.

But, naturally, the flooding also had its negative sides. The first thing that comes to mind is, of course, the loss of warships, especially battleships. At one point, the Black Sea Fleet lost 28% of its combat-ready battleships. Of the 14 (plus one more was undergoing repairs in Nikolaev), only ten remained.

The blow to the fleet's combat capability was very strong. The only thing that can be said here is that over the next two months, the balance of power in the Black Sea was nevertheless restored. This was due to both the unsuccessful attack of the allied fleets on the coastal front of the Sevastopol fortress and the storm of November 2, 1854. Two battleships perished in Yevpatoria (Turkish and French), and several more required dock repairs and left the theater of military operations.

One of the most negative consequences of the sinking of the ships for the defense of Sevastopol was Kornilov's decision to delay the removal of the guns from the ships to the shore, which resulted in them having to be sunk with all their artillery armament. Of course, the decision to delay the removal was dictated by the admiral's hope of preventing the sinking itself and not losing the combat capability of the ships, if he had managed to achieve his goal. However, as we know, Menshikov's order was not cancelled, and the time that could have been used to disarm the ships was irretrievably lost. The result was that more than five hundred large-caliber guns sank to the bottom of the Great Sevastopol Bay! In total, excluding boat artillery, there were 474 large guns on the sunken ships and frigates:

36-pounder cannons - 236 pcs.
24-pounder cannons - 250 pcs. cannons - 56 pcs.
18-pounder cannons - 8 pcs.
1-pounder unicorns - 16 pcs.
36-pounder cannon-carronades - 34 pcs.
24-pounder cannon-carronades - 104 pcs.
36-pounder carronades - 20 pcs
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Plus another 29 guns (I don’t know what kind of cannons they were) were on board the training artillery block ship “Silistriya”.

In addition, which is important, thousands of shells and tons of gunpowder went to the bottom along with the cannons. But the shell and gunpowder crises of the defenders began already in 1854 and they continued until the fall of the city. And in the summer of 1855, the seemingly bottomless reserves of artillery in the Sevastopol port and on ships came to an end, which in turn led to a severe shortage of heavy artillery. In a word, the sunken property would have been very, very useful during the siege, especially the heavy guns themselves, the delivery of which to Sevastopol by land was associated with significant difficulties.

Of course, I am far from thinking that the material property that perished as a result of the actions of Admiral Kornilov (who, of course, did not act maliciously, but with the best of intentions) could have saved Sevastopol from falling, but still, it could undoubtedly have influenced the course of the siege for the better for Russia.

Speaking about the consequences of the sinking, one cannot help but touch on the topic of the corvette Orest (1836, 18 8-pounder cannons), which, in fact, also became a victim of the fairway obstruction on September 11, 1854. The ship served as a floating battery to protect Quarantine Bay and it so happened that after the sinking of the ships, it remained outside the obstacle that appeared. Frankly speaking, it seems that in the chaos that reigned in Sevastopol, the field of the Alma battle, the corvette, standing in a separate bay outside the city, was simply forgotten. And since the western shore of the Quarantine Bay was soon occupied by the French, the ship had to be sunk there and then.

At the same time, of course, the question arises as to why they did not try to bring the Orestes into Sevastopol, since the barrier was not solid and had passages that allowed Russian ships to leave the bay (many, by the way, do not know about this). It is quite possible that at the time of the corvette's sinking, the appropriate measurements had not yet been made and the existence of an accessible passage was simply unknown. In short, this question is still waiting for its researcher.

As for the passages through the line of the sunken, such exits were rare, I would even say very rare. Our fleet in the Crimean War did not dare to take active offensive actions even near its bases, where it would have been possible to rely on strong coastal defense. Here are actually all the exits:

On September 29, 1854, an Austrian transport ship in calm weather drifted into the zone of action of the fortress's coastal batteries and was abandoned by the crew after shelling. The steamship Danube was sent to capture the abandoned ship. However, after two English steamships arrived at the scene of the battle, ours was recalled back to Sevastopol.

On the night of October 12-13, 1854, the steamship Danube and the fire ship Bug (former transport) set out to attack the enemy fleet. The attack failed, and the ships returned to Sevastopol.

On November 24, 1855, the steam frigates Vladimir and Khersones attacked enemy ships standing at the entrance to Sevastopol Bay.
As you can see, the list is regrettably short.

And now I will deviate somewhat into alternative history and ask myself the question - was it possible not to sink the ships? Personally, I have long since decided and believe that in that situation, Prince Menshikov's decision to block the entrance to Sevastopol Bay was completely justified and timely. However, it seems to me that even having created a barrier, a significant part of the ships sacrificed to save Sevastopol could have been saved.

The fact is that Sevastopol had battleships and frigates that were not a pity to lose. Naturally, we are talking about blockships - ships decommissioned and used for various auxiliary purposes. In our case, as housing. Two former battleships (blockships No. 1 and No. 2) and two frigates (blockships No. 3 and No. 5) were located in the upper reaches of the Southern Bay near the Arrestant settlement. Accordingly, it would have been possible to use these blockships in the barrier, and not the combat ships. But for some reason this was not done.

Let us return from the alternative to real history and, in conclusion of this long narrative, I will write a few words about the fate of the first line of the barrier and the ships that made it up.

The barrier, created on September 10, 1854, although it lasted the entire war, by the spring of 1855, due to the autumn and winter storms, it had become unusable. The first to suffer was the blockship Silistria, which was badly damaged by the storm of October 29, 1854. Measurements showed that above the ship “there was a passage in places up to 36 feet (11 m) deep”. To eliminate this hole in the barrier, on November 5, the 84-gun battleship Gavriil was laid to the bottom near the place where Silistria sank. A little later, in the shallow area between the frigate Sizopol and the Konstantinovskaya battery, the corvette Pilad and one merchant ship were sunk. After this, the first line was no longer reinforced.

On December 15, 1854, Prince Menshikov received a report from Admiral Nakhimov with the following content:

“Strong westerly winds and large waves destroyed the barrier of their sunken ships at the entrance to the Sevastopol roadstead; a careful sounding, made on my orders, shows that the depth along the entire line exceeds 28 feet (8.5 m). The importance of this circumstance obliges me, without observing the form, to hasten to report directly to Your Highness.”

Apparently, after three months, the line of sunken ships, as a barrier designed to prevent enemy battleships from breaking through to the Sevastopol roadstead, no longer existed. But the need to protect the roadstead did not go away, therefore, in early February 1855, a second line of barriers from sunken ships was built in the depths of the roadstead.

After the Crimean War, extensive work was carried out in Sevastopol to clear the bays of ships sunk there during military operations. The first line of barriers was reached only in 1859. Here is an excerpt from an interesting article in the "Naval Collection", which describes the condition of the ships from this line after almost 5 years of being underwater:

"The frigate "Flora" is sunk at a depth of 8 fathoms; its bow is facing the Konstantinovsky Fort; the above-water part of the frigate with decks is torn off and carried to the east of the place; and the underwater part that remains in place is sunk into the ground to a depth of about 14 feet, filled with guns, tanks, rigging and other ship's property, and all this is littered with the wreckage of the frigate. On the sea side there is a large drift of sand….

The ship "Silistria" is sunk to a depth of 9½ fathoms; the bow is facing the Konstantinovsky fort; the stern is completely destroyed; only one stern post with steering loops remains; the poop and waist decks of the decks with the above-water parts are dumped to the east, so that the upper edge of the remaining side in this place is no more than 8 feet from the ground; this part is covered with sand on both sides and littered with ship's property. The bow of the ship remains with the wreckage of the side decks.

The ship "Gavriil" is sunk at a depth of 9½ fathoms, not in line with the others, but about 10 fathoms to the W of the last ship "Silistriya", so that the middle of its waist is opposite the cheekbone of the ship "Silistriya"; the stern part is turned to the Alexander Fort; the poop with parts of the decks for about 8 fathoms and part of the waist for no more than 5 fathoms are in place; the bow part with the decks is completely destroyed and carried away from the place of the ship; the underwater part is submerged in the ground for about 10 feet and littered with debris.

The ship "Varna" is sunk at a depth of 10 fathoms, with its bow to the Constantine Fort; the left side is destroyed and carried 5 fathoms to the West; the right side with parts of the decks fell inside the ship; the fore and aft stems are in their places.

The ship "Tri Svyatitelya" was sunk in the direction of the leading lighthouse, at a depth of 10½ fathoms. The stern part along the mizzen mast is destroyed and separated from its place; along the length from the mizzen to the mainmast, the keel is broken; the bow part with the decks is preserved; the interior is littered with debris from decks and beams; there is less sand drift than on other ships.

The ship "Uriel" was sunk at a depth of 10 fathoms in an inclined position, with the deck to the seaward side; the bow is facing the Constantine Fort; the bow and stern parts with decks are completely destroyed and separated from their places; the middle of the ship between the main and foremasts is preserved with parts of the decks.

The frigate "Sizopol" was sunk at a depth of 9½ fathoms, with the bow facing the Constantine Fort. In the direction of the keel, it is broken into two parts, so that the right side deviates to the east, and the left to the west; it is littered with debris from the decks and in places covered with sand.

The least depth above the first line is 42 feet".

Naturally, there was nothing left to raise there in its entirety. The ships were raised in parts and disposed of. This is where the history of the barrier line of sunken ships created on September 11, 1854, at the entrance to Sevastopol Bay, ended.

Posted by: badanov || 09/24/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11138 views] Top|| File under:


Monday Kunstler : Sec'y of Defense Lloyd Austin told ‘president’ to his face there will be no flinging of US-supplied long-range missiles from Ukraine ‘deep into Russia’
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 09/24/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11126 views] Top|| File under: Tin Hat Dictators, Presidents for Life, & Kleptocrats

#1  Meanwhile, UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer was all revved up for the missile operation and flew to Washington for a one-to-one meet-up with “JB” to get the go-ahead

Starmer, Davey and the rise of Toxic Imbecility
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 09/24/2024 5:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Zelensky Trashes Trump and Vance, Signs Artillery Shells in PA
Oh, the Biden administration flew Zelensky to Pennsylvania, a battleground state, on a U.S. Air Force C-17.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 09/24/2024 5:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Dan Caldwell 🇺🇸
@dandcaldwell
"Worth noting that Zelenskyy was flown to Pennsylvania on an U.S. Air Force C-17. The Biden-Harris admin is using military assets to fly a foreign leader into a battleground state in order to undermine their political opponents."
"I am old enough to remember when using taxpayer resources to obtain purely partisan domestic political benefits from Zelenskyy was considered an impeachable offense."
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 09/24/2024 15:21 Comments || Top||

#4  So this administration is fine with arming to the teeth a dictatorship.

I mean, say what you will about Maduro, he at least pretended to have elections.
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Home Front: Politix
Inadvertently Spilling the Truth: What Is the Democratic Party If Not the Party of Sophomoric Teens, Intrepid Cosplayers, and Would-Be Heroes?
[NoPasaran] Kamala Harris' cackling brings up a question I have often asked in the past 20 years.

What if Democrats — along with leftists the world over — turned out to be nothing but sophomoric individuals snorting with laughter as they stick it to the man, as they fool the grown-ups (ain't that what the 13 Rules for Radicals are all about?!), and, with the true teen-age mentality they possess, as they love to cosplay as senators, presidents, governors (remember the glee of Katie Hobbs at the Arizona inaugural after "defeating" Kari Lake?!), diplomats, filmmakers (on both sides of the camera), and — last but not least — esteemed debaters and professional journalists?

What if all that leftists love to do is cosplay as heroic individuals and knights in shining armor — fighting, among other things, to protect various minorities, to save democracy, and to defeat the West's inhumane monsters, i.e., racists, sexists, Nazis, fascists, and other Adolf Hitlers? (Thanks for the Instalink, Sarah.)

This is why leftists have dystopian fantasies (we must display our intelligence!) and are crisis creators (we must display our bravery!), and it is why those virtue-signallers can't debate and regularly refuse invitations from the right to do so (unless, perhaps, they use "neutral" moderators (sic) to assist them while said moderators attempt to demonize their opponents): the Drama Queens know that their fairy tales would be eviscerated in no time. Regularly, Dennis Prager and Larry Elder recount how they have often, over the years, suggested a debate to various leftists, famous or unknown — even one in which they are outnumbered 5 or 6 to 1 — and the leftists do not dare take them up on it. (Indeed, this is how Larry Elder "turned" Dave Rubin...)

As Jonah Goldberg wrote in Liberal Fascism,

That is how the liberal Gleichschaltung works; contrary voices are regulated, barred, banned when possible, mocked and marginalized when not. Progressive voices are encouraged, lionized, amplified — in the name of "diversity," or "liberation," or "unity," and, most of all, "progress."

...A "vital [task] in which guile and cunning are permitted." In the wake of a(n in)famous Bernie Sanders quote ("No, I don't think she's abandoning her ideals. I think she is trying to be pragmatic and do what she thinks is right in order to win the election"), leave it to a "respected" MSM outlet to spill the beans and tell the truth about the basic psychology ruling the members of the Democrat Party and other leftists — not excluding (as we can see) the mainstream media outlets themselves — the world over.
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#1  IOW, it's a sorority.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 09/24/2024 12:01 Comments || Top||

#2  ^Google LARPers.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 09/24/2024 12:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Outrageous! How can this joker marginalize the incoherent, the butt pirates, the soup flingers and hand glue-ers, not to mention the absolutely batshit crazy liberal white women? This aggression will not stand.
Posted by: Cesare || 09/24/2024 14:59 Comments || Top||

#4  /\ You forgot to mention the batshit crazy liberal, pro-abortiion white women.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/24/2024 15:53 Comments || Top||


Bill Ackman's excellent rant on X on Joe / Kamala
Bill Ackman, a poster on X I didn't follow before, posted an excellent rant on X concerning Biden, Harris and the media.

I read it in my feed and thought it was worth of quoting on Rantburg:

Let’s not forget that @POTUS Biden was the Democratic presidential candidate 63 days ago.

We were told by the administration and the media that Biden was in perfect health and that videos of him exhibiting serious deterioration were ’right wing propaganda.’

Then, threatened with the 25th amendment, on July 21st, he stepped aside to be replaced by @KamalaHarris who was complicit in the lie. She knew, and she told the American people otherwise. Her reward for keeping quiet was to become the presidential candidate without a primary or other transparent process for her selection.

The Biden lie is perhaps the greatest lie ever told to the American people by our government. And this lie was also told to us repeatedly with a bold face by the current Democratic nominee for president.

Now all of a sudden, the former most left-leaning Senator (proudly left of Bernie) and now the most left-wing politician in the country, over the last two months has become a gun-toting, shoot-the-intruder, fracking-supporting, border-wall-building candidate who began her career at McDonalds. She almost sounds like a Republican candidate for president.

How can anyone trust anything she says?

Even if you carefully watch her speak or read the transcripts of the four interviews and one debate she has done, it is nearly impossible to understand what she is saying. She has yet to answer a direct question about the economy, the border, or foreign policy.

In response to questions about specific policies, she simply repeats the same scripted stories about being a prosecutor, growing up middle class, and/or other non-sequiturs, and neither the media nor the moderators challenge these insipid, unresponsive answers.

I voted for @JoeBiden because after @realDonaldTrump’s first term, I believed the country would benefit by a more centrist candidate. Biden promised to bring the country together. And as Biden was a supposed ’one-term’ president, we were misled into believing he wouldn’t be beholden to the progressive wing of the party and could implement a moderate political agenda.

I and the American people were misled. I apologize for casting my vote for Biden. It was a big mistake.

VP Harris’s entire candidacy relies on support from an undisclosed cabal of party leaders who selected her in a private process. She didn’t get one vote in a primary. As such, she is perhaps the most beholden-to-the party candidate in history.

Her campaign is a blatant attempt to say what she needs to say in order to get elected. She is keeping her appearances unprecedentedly limited compared to any other candidate in history so that she has less surface area to be understood for who she really is and what she actually believes.

She has done four interviews and @Tim_Walz four during the last 63 days compared to 70 for Trump and @JDVance.

[See: https://axios.com/2024/09/19/harris-media-strategy-hide-election]

Ask yourself, what previous presidential candidate in history has run a campaign doing everything he or she could to avoid the media? You won’t find one. Then ask yourself, why?

VP Harris’ evasiveness is only possible here because of a complicit media which should be screaming from the rooftops about her refusal to be interviewed, but instead repeatedly excuse and praise her and her campaign.

In the nearly four years of the Biden/Harris administration, the world is up in flames with a hot war in Europe with approaching one million dead, and a growing conflagration in the Middle East. Our large and small cities are overrun with unvetted migrants with the associated impact on crime, budgets, and services, and lower income Americans cannot afford a proper meal. Our universities have become hotbeds of hate. Free speech is being squelched except for @X, one of the first likely targets, along with its proprietor
@elonmusk, of a future Harris administration. Our government spending and waste are totally out of control and I could go on and on.

I strongly encourage you to vote accordingly.

Posted by: CrazyFool in Texas || 09/24/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11124 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I voted for @JoeBiden because after @realDonaldTrump’s first term, I believed the country would benefit by a more centrist candidate.

Dumbass.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 09/24/2024 13:21 Comments || Top||



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