[Asharq al-Aswat] Ignoble bullets claimed the lives of six Egyptian Copts and one Muslim security guard in an ugly incident in Nag Hammadi in Upper Egypt on the eve of the Coptic Christmas [7 January]. The criminals justified their actions by saying that this attack was in retaliation for the rape of a 12-year old Muslim girl committed by a Christian man [in November].
A collective punishment is a punishment that aims to target innocent victims; this is something that cannot be accepted by religion, morality, logic, or anybody with a conscience. This [incident] was an example of the insanity of the collective punishment in its worst form.
An irrational and criminal terrorist attack was carried out by the Al Qaeda terrorist organization against New York, in response to this war was declared on Iraq, and the country was invaded, and thousands of innocent victims were killed and continue to be killed as a result of this. A resistance attack occurs against the occupying Israel army, and so the response to this is an indiscriminate destructive attack that ruthlessly kills women, children and the elderly, destroying building and cities, without punishing the actual perpetrators of the [original] attack.
Insanity breeds insanity, and for every action there is an even greater and more violent reaction. "Collective punishment" is an insane state of affairs being experienced in the world today, whether this is by an individual who swears revenge against "anybody" or groups and organizations who decide to take matters into their own hands to effectively apply whatever they consider to be just and legal. This insanity is not confined to the above, but also includes nations and [international] organizations that are doing the same thing, only more effectively, for they enact laws and legislations that differentiate between peoples in an unjust and short-sighed manner
The Crusades were also a type of collective punishment, and the armies of the Franks came to "liberate" the Holy Lands from "the deviant tribes" according to how this campaign was promoted at the time. The Nazi crimes against ethnic minorities, including the Jews, were also an example of this. The actions of white colonists against native Africans, Native Americans in the US, and the Australian aboriginals are also examples of crimes of collective punishment.
The surprising thing in what happened in Nag Hammadi is the speed with which this crime was called a sectarian incident, despite the fact that it was a revenge attack. This was an attempt by criminals to retaliate against a crime committed by a stupid and ignorant individual, however instead of moving to punish the person responsible for this crime (which would be a mistake in any case as a country has laws that should rightly deal with this) they instead attacked a group of people of the same religion as the original offender.
A person makes a mistake and so his sect, or family, or city, or country, or religion, pays the price for this mistake. This is modern ignorance of the worst kind. This is something that will not deter criminals and cruel reprisals will not prevent [original] crimes being committed. Collective punishment allows racism and sectarianism to prevail, and countries will become a breeding ground for [internal] division.
The experience of India, South Africa, and Singapore, with regards to reducing the phenomenon of collective punishment, and the crimes of those who believe in this, had led to the creation of a more homogenous society and a more resilient nation This is by strengthening the laws in these countries against barbaric and deviant ideas; we are not saying that countries such as this are heavens on earthy, but they have sought with honesty and integrity to counter this destructive threat and deal with it in an effective manner. These are all countries that experienced difficultly with regards to establishing independence, and they were vulnerable to division and destruction, however they recognized the importance of establishing a unified nation for citizens to belong to, rather than putting sectarian or tribal affiliations first as this comes at the expense of national unity. This in itself is the key to understanding [how to counter this issue] and salvation.
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However, collective punishment is the only alternative available when a given group doesn't just forgive its members of their offenses against others, but justifies them, and even protects them from punishment.
Since this often evolves into protracted blood feuds and wars, there is a strong rationale to punish members of your own group for their offenses against others.
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Great lines 'leftover'. God I love that movie. The irony is that the Arab world then is no different then now, just more oil money and the ability to screw up the world with it. No wonder "Larry" called it quits.
Posted by: Total War ||
01/14/2010 13:14 Comments ||
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Notice the lack of respect for Christians in our Holy Lands. A US President will eventually do something about that.
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Take the term "Big Brother" TMlightly at your peril. The Turks use it as a greeting implying warm friendship/kinship, either actual or situational....
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But elder brothers also have more power and assumed wisdom/knowledge than younger brothers, Uncle Phester. I assume that is implied in the relationship in Turkey as well.
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So when the house of cards - or row of dominos - falls, where should we be? Having converted all savings into gold? 401k growth funds? Cash in a matress? Canned food and ammo? This stuff gets scary sometimes!
Posted by: Bobby ||
01/14/2010 7:25 Comments ||
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Canned food, ammo, seeds, trade goods, medical supplies, water purification, ...
Posted by: Whiskey Mike ||
01/14/2010 7:46 Comments ||
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Don't forget booze.
I learned that from my grandma. She ran a tavern during the Great Depression. She always said "no matter how bad things get, people will always find the money for alcohol."
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I think the main effect will be a collapse in world trade as the Yen and other currencies become non-convertable. Which will result in the West repatriating the industries they have outsourced to Asia.
There will be severe shortages of many goods for a while, particularly electronics.
The USA will likely be the least affected as it has the most self-contained economy.
#7
It is certainly time to troubleshoot the "experimental" easy credit, post-WWII economic model. Debt must be returned, at all levels, to the old concept of "Credit is for those who don't need it."
Seeing this upcoming international economic collapse can be done in two ways. Most will try to rebuild and stabilize the existing failed system, reinforcing defeat. And this will just delay recovery.
The real recovery will only happen with a return to the pre-WWII economic model, where all debts must be resolved at the end of each debt cycle, before any new debts can be taken. And debt rollovers must be 100% justified in cash, before the rollover can happen.
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I saw some land here in Ohio for sale that had a wonderful feature: its own free supply of natural gas.
If it hadn't been four hours drive away, I'd be seriously considering buying it.
Posted by: Rob Crawford ||
01/14/2010 15:25 Comments ||
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Thinking about putting a chicken coup in my backyard
I wouldn't. There will be dead chickens everywhere. ;-)
Surely only half would be dead, gorb, the other half having taken over the backyard's government.
Cornsilk Blondie is right. Even after the apocalypse there will be those willing and able to afford quality likker. At such times one wants pioneering necessities (including a couple of Eagle Scouts and/or engineers) and a nice selection of serious small luxuries for trade that will keep in storage for a decade or two if necessary.
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Guns, corn squeezings, hunting, agriculture and home food prep.
People of which political predilection will excel at these?
I'm thinking of a cousin who is an urbanite, eats nearly all of her meals out, and couldn't debone a chicken or fillet a fish if her life depended on it, much less skin a buck, make sausage, can plum jelly, or brew her own beer. And she starts breaking out in a cold sweat if she finds out the house or apartment she's in contains a firearm.
Oh yeah, she's a screaming honking moonbat, too.
But you all knew that.
What will her place be if the scenario imagined comes to pass?
You all knew that, too.
Posted by: no mo uro ||
01/14/2010 17:04 Comments ||
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What will her place be if the scenario imagined comes to pass?
Does she have anything to trade...skills...anything? No? Well...the ants will eat the grasshoppers.
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All of these strategies/logistics concepts/common sense solutions should have been addressed (8) years ago when we might have been able to impact our impending hand to mouth existance. It has become: FATCAT.
Shall we team up to survive? Please advise-Arlo @ 301 737-0131
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All of these strategies/logistics concepts/common sense solutions should have been addressed (8) years ago.
It has become: FATCAT.
Lucky's, Camels & Pall Malls...gallons of Rot-gut vod/bourb/rye/gin while it's still available, early & often ammo buys, harsh Maxwell House by the ton and sealed alcohol wipes...Ah, " Life is good."
Shall we team up to survive? Please advise-Arlo @ 301 737-0131
Infiltration of western financial institutions seems complete and irreversible and the agents of sharia law and sharia finance are deep inside every major western financial player. And according to Gaffney, they are as commited to the cause as the KGB ever was. After that Gaffney goes on to explain what Sharia complliant finance actually is, and argues that it amounts to little more than jihad with money.
Frank Gaffney speaks on the topic of Shariah Compliant Finance at a conference sponsored by the Endowment for Middle East Truth.
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Most of my American friends were depressed and gloomy about the Bush years. Several said that if Bush were re-elected in 2004, they would leave the country. He was and they didnt.
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I'm so sorry -- it's been a while since I posted the wrong link. Thank you so much, Procopius2k and Pappy for taking care of it for me; I did indeed mean to link to the New York Times piece.
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Infiltration of western financial institutions seems complete and irreversible and the agents of sharia law and sharia finance are deep inside every major western financial player. And according to Gaffney, they are as commited to the cause as the KGB ever was. After that Gaffney goes on to explain what Sharia complliant finance actually is, and argues that it amounts to little more than jihad with money.
