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2020-09-26 -Land of the Free
17 Year Old Charged in Kenosha Shootings For Defending His Life Fights Extradition
[Yahoo] WAUKEGAN, Ill. — The 17-year-old charged in the shooting deaths of two protesters in Wisconsin is fighting his extradition from Illinois, but his attorneys didn't outline their strategy during a brief hearing on Friday and legal experts say there isn't much the teen can do to stop it.

Kyle Rittenhouse surrendered to police in his hometown of Antioch, Illinois, a day after prosecutors say he shot and killed two protesters and wounded a third on the streets of Kenosha on Aug. 25. If convicted of one of the most serious charges he faces, he would be sentenced to life in prison.

Rittenhouse's attorneys have said he acted in self-defense and have portrayed him as a courageous patriot who was exercising his right to bear arms during a night of unrest over the police shooting of Jacob Blake, who is Black. And his arrest has become a rallying point for some on the right, with a legal defense fund that has attracted millions in donations. But others see Rittenhouse as a domestic terrorist whose presence with a rifle incited the protesters.

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Rittenhouse appeared via video for a hearing in a Lake County, Illinois, court on Friday, where his attorney asked for more time to prepare his arguments against extradition, without detailing what they would be. Rittenhouse, wearing a face mask, said only "Good morning, your honor" during a hearing that lasted less than 10 minutes.

One of Rittenhouse's attorneys, John Pierce, made clear that he is opposing Rittenhouse's return to Wisconsin to face the charges. Pierce asked for a month to prepare arguments challenging extradition that he said involve "issues of some complexity, frankly that have not arisen in the country for some time."

Judge Paul Novak gave the defense 14 days to review papers and file pleadings ahead of an Oct. 9 hearing — the second such delay that has been granted to Rittenhouse. Whatever the judge rules can be appealed.

Mike Nerheim, the Lake County state’s attorney, said after the hearing that Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker had signed a warrant to return Rittenhouse to Wisconsin after a request from Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers, a fellow Democrat. Pierce asked for a chance to review the warrant, which Nerheim said he had received Friday morning.

Nerheim said in his 20 years as an attorney, he's never seen anyone fight extradition after the governor signed a warrant for it. Nerheim said he didn’t know on what basis Rittenhouse would challenge extradition.

"We’re ready to proceed," he said.

Extradition cases are rarely fought, but when they are the defendant has to do it through a habeas corpus proceeding, said Cecelia Klingele, a professor at the University of Wisconsin Law School. That means Rittenhouse would have to argue that he is being illegally detained, she said.

"We just don’t know what the basis of the legal challenge is going to be," she said.

David Erickson, a former state appellate judge who teaches at Chicago Kent College of Law, said when challenges do occur, there are generally two arguments: that no crime was committed in the other state or that the defendant was not the person who committed the crime.

"It's going to be some unique kind of theory, that's for sure," Erickson said. "It's not the standard two of ’it ain’t me' or ’there’s no crime,'" he said.

The judge seems to be approaching the case with caution, seeing as how he has given Rittenhouse's lawyers weeks to prepare their arguments, Erickson said.

Rittenhouse's attorneys and fundraising team have publicly framed him as a defender of liberty, rightfully carrying a weapon amid rioting.

Pierce also asked the judge to be allowed to bring a laptop into the juvenile detention facility in Vernon Hills where Rittenhouse is being held, despite a ban on electronic equipment, so they could review video evidence together from the night of the shootings. Novak said he would consider it.

George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley said he thinks the largest advantage of the delay for Rittenhouse’s defense team is more time to gather resources or new evidence. It also could force prosecutors to provide more details about their case against Rittenhouse in support of extradition, he said.

"This case is going to be challenging in a number of respects," Turley said. "There are eyewitnesses, but forensics will also be important — the angle of shots, any powder burns or residue evidence. Those are issues that require not just the retention of experts, but an opportunity for them to examine the evidence. So the defense often tries to put the brakes on these cases at every stage to give themselves enough time."

Rittenhouse, who is white, is charged with first-degree intentional homicide in the killing of two white protesters and attempted intentional homicide in the wounding of a third. He also faces a misdemeanor charge of underage firearm possession for wielding a semi-automatic rifle. If convicted of first-degree homicide, he would face a mandatory life prison sentence.

According to prosecutors and court documents, Rittenhouse shot and killed 36-year-old Joseph Rosenbaum, of Kenosha, after Rosenbaum threw a plastic bag at Rittenhouse, missing him, and tried to wrestle his rifle away.

While trying to get away in the immediate aftermath, Rittenhouse was captured on cellphone video saying "I just killed somebody." According to the complaint filed by prosecutors, someone in the crowd said, "Beat him up!" and another yelled, "Get him! Get that dude!"

Video shows that Rittenhouse tripped in the street. As he was on the ground, 26-year-old Anthony Huber, of Silver Lake, hit him with a skateboard and tried to take his rifle away. Rittenhouse opened fire, killing Huber and wounding Gaige Grosskreutz, of West Allis, who was holding a handgun.

Rittenhouse’s extradition would not be an issue if he had been arrested in Kenosha the night of the shootings. Cellphone video that captured some of the action shows that right after the shootings, Rittenhouse walked slowly toward a police vehicle with his hands up, only to be waved through by police. He returned to his Illinois home and turned himself in soon after. Police later blamed the chaotic conditions for why they didn't arrest Rittenhouse at the scene.

The killings happened two days after a white Kenosha police officer shot Blake seven times in the back, leaving him paralyzed from the waist down and sparking outrage after video of the shooting was posted online. A Wisconsin Department of Justice investigation into that shooting is ongoing. The three responding officers are on administrative leave.

In addition to Los Angeles-based Pierce, Rittenhouse’s legal team includes Lin Wood, a defamation lawyer who represented falsely accused security guard Richard Jewell in the 1996 Olympic Park bombing case in Atlanta and is a lawyer for Sean Hannity, the Fox News host with close ties to President Donald Trump.

Both Pierce and Wood have ties to Trump’s orbit and brand of politics, and have tapped into their social media network to raise support from conservatives for the teenage shooter. A big boost came last month when Pierce defended Rittenhouse in an interview with Fox News’ Tucker Carlson.

On Thursday, Pierce got a taste of the support he’s worked so hard to build when he attended a Waukesha County GOP function with Rittenhouse’s mother. At one point, women in the audience gave the two a standing ovation, according to a tweet from conservative commentator Michelle Malkin, who also attended.
Posted by Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589 2020-09-26 00:00|| || Front Page|| [9 views ]  Top
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#1 But others see Rittenhouse as a domestic terrorist whose presence with a rifle incited the protesters.

That would be the cat/meat logic crowd. No. Not gonna fly.
Posted by gorb 2020-09-26 00:52||   2020-09-26 00:52|| Front Page Top

#2 portrayed him as a courageous patriot who was exercising his right to bear arms

Is this article a fucking joke?

How can someone write 5,000 words characterizing this man's self-defense effort and not once use the words SELF DEFENSE?

We don't have an independent, truth-seeking free press anymore.

It's all Pravda now.
Lies 24/7
Posted by Goober Angating9262 2020-09-26 00:53||   2020-09-26 00:53|| Front Page Top

#3 The defense to extradition is clear: there was no crime, as it was obviously self-defense. The only deader that was questionable was the first, and the defense team has video showing shots fired BEFORE Rittenhouse fired any.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2020-09-26 01:07||   2020-09-26 01:07|| Front Page Top

#4 It's Yahoo. Think CNN on the net. Extreamly leftist.

Also notice how they try to tie Kyle to Trump.
Posted by CrazyFool 2020-09-26 02:07||   2020-09-26 02:07|| Front Page Top

#5 They are using the system on this kid, his lawyers should use it right back.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-09-26 02:51||   2020-09-26 02:51|| Front Page Top

#6 The bogus "narrative" now us that the kid was a "gang member" and - you guessed it - a "white supremacist."

No wonder Nick Sandmann's brilliant attorney, Lin Wood, hastened to join Kyle's legal defense team. Once again we're seeing deliberate, vicious, transparent lies on a grand scale from our media organizations. Screw these assholes
Posted by Snock Tojo1608 2020-09-26 04:54||   2020-09-26 04:54|| Front Page Top

#7 
Remember at 17 he can join the USA Military with parental permission. There he will be trained by the same government that seeks to lock him up, to carry and use even more deadly variety of firearms and explosives.

So our government feels at 17 - 18 you are responsible enough to be military combat trained in numerous firearm and Explosive use. Including how to kill attackers. But as a civilian, not responsible enough to drink a beer or defend yourself?


Strange gun laws we have, aren't they.


I wonder if in part if his defense will be he was part of one the 400 Civilian Militia groups in the USA. Which are responding to these riots due to lack of Police law enforcement. eg. Where the police are following the cities Socialist-Democrat elected officials issued stand down orders and getting snipped and killed.
Posted by NN2N1 2020-09-26 07:21||   2020-09-26 07:21|| Front Page Top

#8 /\ Remember at 17 he can join the USA Military with parental permission.

"Join" or even be drafted into service.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-09-26 07:24||   2020-09-26 07:24|| Front Page Top

#9 I wonder if the judge will offer him the choice: Marines or jail?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-09-26 07:29||   2020-09-26 07:29|| Front Page Top

#10 BTW: More importantly remember what he shot and/or Killed.

Joseph Don Rosenbaum (killed)
LONG list of crimes - including Sex offender.
and other felonies.

Gaige Paul Grosskreutz - Radical Communist Revolutionary. A long criminal list also. A member of a Radical group that has had members shoot and kill police.

Anthony M. Huber - (killed) - habitual domestic abuse repeater. Weapons charges, Drug arrests & use, Recklessly Endangering Safety Felony, Strangulation and Suffocation Felony , False Imprisonment Felon, multiple felony uses of a weapons, robbery and etc...

For the full list of what Mr. Kyle Rittenhouse help clean the US society of, see: https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2020/08/28/kenosha-shooting/ for their full Criminal Rap sheets
Posted by NN2N1 2020-09-26 07:40||   2020-09-26 07:40|| Front Page Top

#11 Let's get the wording right. He didn't kill two protestors. He shot and killed two armed assailants during the protests. I hope his lawyer doesn't f#ck up like this.
Posted by Dron66046 2020-09-26 07:44||   2020-09-26 07:44|| Front Page Top

#12 As a legal battlespace prep, fighting extradition gives the defense team a chance to publicly air the fact that, given the video evidence, the charges are politically motivated and absurd.
(I'm not a lawyer but I did have Fireball in my coffee this morning)
Posted by Mercutio 2020-09-26 08:03||   2020-09-26 08:03|| Front Page Top

#13 Ya gotta get up pretty early in the morning to....!
Posted by Clem 2020-09-26 08:08||   2020-09-26 08:08|| Front Page Top

#14 But others see Rittenhouse as a domestic terrorist whose presence with a rifle incited the protesters.

ah, the old 'don't inflame the Islamic hordes' defense.
Posted by Bob Grorong1136 2020-09-26 08:52||   2020-09-26 08:52|| Front Page Top

#15 So our government feels at 17 - 18 you are responsible enough to be military combat trained in numerous firearm and Explosive use. Including how to kill attackers. But as a civilian, not responsible enough to drink a beer or defend yourself?

Remember, this is the same military that puts an 18 year old in charge of millions of dollars worth of equipment and 4 other guys, but forbids you to have a hot plate in your room because you aren't responsible enough.
Posted by DarthVader 2020-09-26 10:14||   2020-09-26 10:14|| Front Page Top

#16 ...and bayonets have to be stored in the arms room as they're dangerous, but their entrenching tools are in their ready kit. We won't mention bunk adapters.
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-09-26 11:06||   2020-09-26 11:06|| Front Page Top

#17 Another question is why people in Kenosha apparently aren't protesting against the prosecutors, in front of the DA's office and in front of private residences, taking a note from the left's playbook.

Would all Kenosha residents have been comfortable with their hometown being torched?

Are all Kenosha residents comfortable with the taxpayer funded legal system turning into an accomplice of an arsonist mob?
Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2020-09-26 12:57||   2020-09-26 12:57|| Front Page Top

#18 Re #8: Back in the day, you only registered for the draft, and could be drafted, at age 18.

from someone who joined the Navy to "evade" the draft in 1969.
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2020-09-26 16:29||   2020-09-26 16:29|| Front Page Top

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