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2023-11-25 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

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Posted by Skidmark 2023-11-25 00:00|| || Front Page|| [19 views ] Top
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#1 That's a reason to be proud.

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-11-25 03:02|| 2023-11-25 03:02|| Front Page Top

#2 p.s. A question to all you 'burg firearms funs: why the f*ck wasn't M16 metal parts made of stainless steel? How much more would it cost?

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-11-25 04:45|| 2023-11-25 04:45|| Front Page Top

#3 Planned obsolescence via cascading wear failure.
Look to other personal items: vests, boots, rucks, uniforms, weather gear...all wear to failure to keep the manufacturing capacity alive.

Posted by Skidmark 2023-11-25 07:28|| 2023-11-25 07:28|| Front Page Top

#4 why the f*ck wasn't M16 metal parts made of stainless steel?

Probably more to do with the metallurgical properties of stainless steel than the cost. Stainless steel has a lot of chromium in it which makes it much harder than regular steel. Machining a harder, more brittle material is more of a challenge, along with increased tool wear and, if memory serves, a tendency for chips to stick to the tooling.

As a kid, I read that the Israelis referred to the M-16 as "the gun that must be shaved". Apparently, it did not do well in dusty desert environments and soldiers carried a shaving brush to keep the action clean and working.

Posted by SteveS 2023-11-25 09:15|| 2023-11-25 09:15|| Front Page Top

#5 soldiers carried a shaving brush
Multi-purpose

Posted by Skidmark 2023-11-25 09:35|| 2023-11-25 09:35|| Front Page Top

#6 ^You know how much work I put into keeping M16 rust free in 3 year as regular and 20 as reservist?

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-11-25 09:36|| 2023-11-25 09:36|| Front Page Top

#7 Stainless is actually weaker than alloy steel. It's just corrosion resistant. Also, carbon steel holds a cutting edge better.
Different grades of steel for different purposes.

Posted by ed in texas 2023-11-25 09:40|| 2023-11-25 09:40|| Front Page Top

#8 I'll go with #3 "Planned obsolescence", also cheapskatism.

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-11-25 11:43|| 2023-11-25 11:43|| Front Page Top

#9 ^ "Planned obsolescence"? Hardly. There is no point to 'over engineering' a weapon of war that will almost certainly be crushed, blown up or simply fired so many times it becomes a rattling collection of junk parts. Especially if you can cut the unit cost down for an expendable item that you plan on issuing by the thousands.

Check out some of the videos on Forgotten Weapons channel when Ian discusses wartime production...

Posted by magpie 2023-11-25 20:08|| 2023-11-25 20:08|| Front Page Top

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