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2014-03-01 Europe

12 Signs That Russia Is Ready To Fight A War Over Crimea

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-03-01 08:34|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 Huge error: the Ukranians rebelled themselves, no us EU involvement. Does the author genuinely believe that this administration would actually actively do something that bold? Obama? Come on. The author is clearly self-deluded and paranoid. But then again, so are many Russians, apparently.

Ukraine has fractured along ethnic lines due to Putins Russian buddy and his criminal cohorts, who were becoming more and more dictatorial whilst looting the national treasury. The Russians have nobody to blame but themselves, the stupid strong-man worshiping fools.

And there will be no contesting the Crimea. It's an anomaly, and should not be part of Ukraine. Khrushchev just tacked it on there as a political gift; Crimean return to Russian association is simply reversing that historical error.

Damned Russians and Euros are still tribal below the surface, just like the African, Arabs, afghanis, etc. the only difference seems to be the latter wear their tribalism openly.

Posted by OldSpook 2014-03-01 09:31|| 2014-03-01 09:31|| Front Page Top

#2 BINGO! OS nails it.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-01 09:36|| 2014-03-01 09:36|| Front Page Top

#3 What will happen, given how inept the Obama administration is, is a plebiscite will be held, and the Crimea will vote itself out of the Ukranian federation, and into the Russian federation. Same goes for the Russian majority eastern provinces. No war needed. Just like the diplomats and Democrats want.

What's left of the Ukraine is a fiscal basket case that the West has to bail out, and which Putin can manipulate via trade and threats. In the end Putin gets defacto control and the west is stuck with the bill.

Why did this happen? Obama was not paying attention months ago when this started looking serious, and years ago when the wheels fell off politically and economically. Proper action then would have averted this whole mess. But there was nothing in it for Obama to glorify himself, nor to beat up republicans with, so he ignored it. And the press continues to cover for this Stupid son of a bitch.

Posted by OldSpook 2014-03-01 09:48|| 2014-03-01 09:48|| Front Page Top

#4 And the press continues to cover for this Stupid son of a bitch. Posted by OldSpook

A particularly offensive steretype. Honest, God fearing 'stupid son's of bitches' everywhere will likely be very offended.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-01 10:16|| 2014-03-01 10:16|| Front Page Top

#5 this Stupid son of a bitch.

I would replace 'stupid" with "vicious, malicious and woefully ignorant", but otherwise, yeah what OS said on all counts.

Russia has always been touchy about what goes on at the borders of the motherland, and with good historical reason. To think they would back away from this due to stern finger-wagging is delusional.

Posted by SteveS 2014-03-01 11:14|| 2014-03-01 11:14|| Front Page Top

#6 As an American, how would you feel if another nation funded and organized... the democratically-elected Canadian government and replaced it with a government that was virulently anti-American?

You mean like Quebec?

Posted by BrerRabbit 2014-03-01 11:46|| 2014-03-01 11:46|| Front Page Top

#7 What do they mean if a war...isn't that already established. Just because nobody is shooting means nothing.

Russian interest in the Crimea goes back to, what, the 1500s, and is considered so strategic they have fought to the last man twice (Crimean War, WW II) to hold that territory. Its their best place to maintain ships in the Black Sea, its a natural campaign launch point, and after being rebuilt post WW II Sevastopal also wears a hat of military history monument & rememberance.

Posted by swksvolFF 2014-03-01 11:56|| 2014-03-01 11:56|| Front Page Top

#8 ..with an American President ~~playing~~ watching a game way above his abilities..~~Joe Biden looks better every day~~..nah, Cmdr. Zero will never step aside (maybe we could give him Air Force One to sweeten the deal?)..

Posted by Uncle Phester 2014-03-01 12:17|| 2014-03-01 12:17|| Front Page Top

#9 Again, I'm with Old Spook on this one. Which is why, if I were a) President b) General Secretary of the UN c) Chancellor of Germany or d) a movie star --

-- I'd be working to offer Crimea and eastern Ukraine a peaceful, amicable divorce from the rest, much the way Czechoslovakia separated. You don't want to be part of us? No problem, sign here.

Crimea has been Russian for 400 years. It was glued to the Ukraine in the early 50s as realpolitik -- so as to ensure that the returning Tatars and Cossacks (that Stalin had forcibly removed before) wouldn't run things, by having the "politically reliable" Ukrainians in charge.

Well, they aren't so reliable any more. Attach the Crimea and east to Russia and let the west go their own way. Let them join the EU, that will guarantee their powerlessness and impotence.

Posted by Steve White 2014-03-01 12:32|| 2014-03-01 12:32|| Front Page Top

#10 If you really want to make 'them' pay for this, repeal the law prohibiting the export of oil and gas from the US and unleash the private development and exploitation of our own resources. It'll drive the price of their export cash cow to the basement. Just like hitting the ME money sources of terrorism. Take away the oil leverage and what do they have with the rest of the world?

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-03-01 12:50|| 2014-03-01 12:50|| Front Page Top

#11 Just offer Russia a 999 year lease on the ports for $1 / year. Take the issue off the table.

Posted by Iblis 2014-03-01 12:52|| 2014-03-01 12:52|| Front Page Top

#12 I'm thinking... using the grievances of the Cuban Refugees in Miami ... perhaps it time to repeat the Crimea logic upon Havana!

Posted by 3dc 2014-03-01 14:01|| 2014-03-01 14:01|| Front Page Top

#13 Just to make it more interesting, perhaps some advanced satellite imagery and signals intelligence could be provided the struggling rebels in Syria.

The same could be provided to other Former Soviet Union (FSU) members, just to calm jittery nerves....that sort of thing. Discreet assistance could also be provided Chechnyan groups as well.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-01 14:32|| 2014-03-01 14:32|| Front Page Top

#14 Meanwhile, in Moscow, the Tass Agency had published a statement in the early morning alleging that party and government leaders in Czechoslovakia had asked the Soviet Union and other allied States to render the fraternal Czechoslovak people urgent assistance, including assistance with armed forces. The Tass statement continued:

This request was brought about by the threat which has arisen to the socialist system in Czechoslovakia, a threat emanating from the counter-revolutionary forces which have entered into collusion with foreign forces hostile to socialism.

Posted by European Conservative 2014-03-01 14:51|| 2014-03-01 14:51|| Front Page Top

#15 Besoeker, one word Afghanistan.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-03-01 15:56|| 2014-03-01 15:56|| Front Page Top

#16 No g(r)om, not on that [nation building] scale. Vlad's winning does not necessarily mean everyone else has to lose. Just enuf gamesmanship to anger Vlad, make him think about his actions, and ensure he knows there is a price to pay. Other clandestine remedies could also be applied, but they are a bit too sinister for this forum.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-01 16:04|| 2014-03-01 16:04|| Front Page Top

#17 Besoeker, your forces' in Afghanistan resupply and, eventual, evacuation depends on Russia's good will. In other words "if you were stupid enough to stick your d*ck in a meat grinder, don't annoy the guy with his finger on the button".

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-03-01 16:17|| 2014-03-01 16:17|| Front Page Top

#18 If you depend on the "good will" of a foking Russian g(r)om, you DESERVE the meat grinder.

There are other ways in and out of the Stans I can assure you.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-01 16:27|| 2014-03-01 16:27|| Front Page Top

#19 For example?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-03-01 16:28|| 2014-03-01 16:28|| Front Page Top

#20 I don't have time for debating societies or discussions regarding the proper height of a mechitzah. I'm just a common lad, but I know a thing or two about logistics in that region. Please just take my word for it g(r)om. You don't need a Russian solution.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-01 16:35|| 2014-03-01 16:35|| Front Page Top

#21 Just a hint, Besoeker?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-03-01 16:43|| 2014-03-01 16:43|| Front Page Top

#22 ..re my suggestion that Mr. Obama step aside for Mr. Bide: never mind..

Posted by Uncle Phester 2014-03-01 17:55|| 2014-03-01 17:55|| Front Page Top

#23 Just a hint, Besoeker?

Loose lips, g(r)omgoru. Let it go.

Posted by trailing wife 2014-03-01 19:51|| 2014-03-01 19:51|| Front Page Top

#24 One way to exit A-stan would be a mass march through an Arc-lit path through Iran. Or Pakistan.

Posted by Glenmore 2014-03-01 20:47|| 2014-03-01 20:47|| Front Page Top

#25 As an American, how would you feel if another nation funded and organized the violent overthrow of the democratically-elected Canadian government and replaced it with a government that was virulently anti-American?

Hmm, I've already watched them subvert and more or less impose a non-democratic, totalitarian government in Venezuela over the last decade and a half (or more, the process started even before 9/11).

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2014-03-01 22:14|| 2014-03-01 22:14|| Front Page Top

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