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2014-01-15 Government

Whoa: Fast & Furious Was Part of a US-Drug Cartel Alliance?

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Posted by trailing wife 2014-01-15 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top
File under: Narcos

#1 The new urban commerce, the sickening reality..... drugs go northeast, the money goes southwest. A stoned constituency is a happy and compliant constituency.

Not exactly a new or startling dynamic. You want to clandestinely influence, sort out the players, or change the politics of a region, no problem. Leverage the existing commerce [drugs, human trafficking, guns] to your advantage.

Be sure you've got the US Ambassador and host-nation 'wired in' where applicable. Pre-fabricated cover stories and scapegoats are also handy, should a logistical cock-up take place. An open and free press, local law enforcement, high fences and tightly controlled borders are inhibitors by the way.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-01-15 05:18|| 2014-01-15 05:18|| Front Page Top

#2 Tired of all this F&F nonsense? How about a couple of nice airplane stories ?
Story #1.
Story #2.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-01-15 06:12|| 2014-01-15 06:12|| Front Page Top

#3 It seems that this whole thing is part of Fallback Position No. 2 or 3: yeah, stuff happened, but Boosh Did It Too. Replace the lie with a half-truth, pretend it's an improvement/"coming clean."

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2014-01-15 07:55|| 2014-01-15 07:55|| Front Page Top

#4 Ditto Snowy. What really bothers me is the growing evidence that Constitutional Democracy and governance are a canard, and that powerful, unelected bodies and agencies with secret, undisclosed budgets are actually controlling the action.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-01-15 08:09|| 2014-01-15 08:09|| Front Page Top

#5 I have been thinking about the "Bush/The Republicans did it too" excuse, and realized that anyone who says that is admitting they copied the idea from Bush/The republicans, thought they could improve on it, AND FAILED. The Original F&F was shut down because the Republican administration then saw it had failed: Democrats revive the program with "mary jane" illusions in their personal narrative of "OF COURSE WE ARE SMARTER, SO WE CAN DO BETTER", Fail, point at the republicans and say "THEY THOUGHT OF IT FIRST!" So they weren't smart enough to see, ahead of time, that it wouldn't work as THEY advertised it?

Ditto with Health Care, Obamacare vs RomneyCare. Despite his faults, Romney said the Individual mandate was a severe solution to a problem CREATED BY DEMOCRATS when they forbade pricing or coverage based on pre-existing conditions, and the insurance market was tanking in Massachusetts. Stupid idiots that they were, the Democrats decided to steal what they thought was a "good idea" from a Republican and make it their own. Think of an idiot addicted to a medicine that a doctor proscribed for another patient who thinks he can satisfy his addition by self-inflicting the disease, then self-diagnosing the disease and the cure.

Hmph. Amateurs...

Posted by Ptah 2014-01-15 08:46|| 2014-01-15 08:46|| Front Page Top

#6 I read John Dodson's "The Unarmed Truth" and I had this nagging suspicion though the narrative of what if there was more to the story than was being reported--at a level higher than Dodson's pay grade. Such as some alliance with the cartels as described here. I dismissed the thought thinking: "No our government wouldn't be in bed with the cartels. That's just my paranoia talking and in the tin-foil hat realm." Maybe not.

Posted by JohnQC 2014-01-15 11:38|| 2014-01-15 11:38|| Front Page Top

#7 I have been of the opinion for a long time that the war on drugs is a sham. We don't need an alliance with a Mexican cartel, we need security on our Mexican border. I'm not talking about a fence either. I'm talking about a sniper ever 400 yards or so all along the border. Somebody steps across that border without authorization, somebody gets shot. Simple. Cheap. Effective. It's our country isn't it? Don't we have a right to defend it?

But I'm wondering what we'd find if someone was actually able to follow the money. How much of it ends up in the coffers of our illustrious politicians?

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2014-01-15 12:10|| 2014-01-15 12:10|| Front Page Top

#8 Update at the source story.

[UPDATE 1/14] This post has caused many to interpret that the U.S. government is actively supporting Sinaloa. That has not been established, despite claims by Zambada-Niebla's lawyer and Stratfor's source. What El Universal's investigation and the newly published court documents reveal is that there was a strong correlation from 2005 and 2009 between the rise of the Sinaloa cartel and the DEA's relatively regular contact with a top Sinaloa lawyer.

Posted by Pappy 2014-01-15 18:06|| 2014-01-15 18:06|| Front Page Top

#9 Many, many people died from F&F weapons walking than Christie's bridge closing stunt. But guess who gets the ire of the . After 5 years they finally have something to investigate in the other party than their own frequent scandals that they will not acknowledge and only Issa will look at in Congress.

Posted by Omavising Ebbemp9815 2014-01-15 18:48|| 2014-01-15 18:48|| Front Page Top

#10 A long deceased cousin of my father had too high a GSA rating to be forced out without cause. He started in the OSS then went CIA and State back and forth for decades... When Carter was elected they wanted to force him out so he was appointed acting drug tsar for 6 months. First day on the job it took him about 1 hour to make it through all the security to his new office. He was in it for about 1/2 hour when his new secretary announces that he has visitors he must see now. "he was going WTF?" In walk some drug kingpins stating that if he messed with any of their operation they would kill him and his family... He was thinking "I am a warrior against communism not a friking drug cop patsy for the Dems". He told them that and said "fine tell me your ops and I will make sure they are left alone". He was quickly transferred back to State. I asked why. He said... if they could get to me before I had my first cup of coffee in a new job... then it's obvious they own the DEA. I have no desire to sacrifice myself in a rigged game.

Posted by 3dc 2014-01-15 19:43|| 2014-01-15 19:43|| Front Page Top

#11 There is a lot of dirty money in the drug business. Legalizing drugs takes the risk out of the business.

Posted by Omavising Ebbemp9815 2014-01-15 19:54|| 2014-01-15 19:54|| Front Page Top

#12 License the right to use drugs. Make it easy to get your drug license if you are 18 and also make sure those with said license are not allowed to vote in national elections and have their name stricken from the books immediately. If they give up the license they can reregister.

Posted by rjschwarz 2014-01-15 21:06|| 2014-01-15 21:06|| Front Page Top

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