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2013-07-07 -Short Attention Span Theater-

San Francisco plane crash: 2 dead, 130 taken to hospitals

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Posted by Pappy 2013-07-07 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 Nietzsche once again disproven.

Posted by Besoeker 2013-07-07 07:27|| 2013-07-07 07:27|| Front Page Top

#2 It will be gross pilot error since he came in too low over the bay and knocked the tail section off at the end of the runway.

Posted by Mugsy Glink 2013-07-07 09:53|| 2013-07-07 09:53|| Front Page Top

#3 It will be found to be cultural error, but no one will say so out loud.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2013-07-07 10:05|| 2013-07-07 10:05|| Front Page Top

#4 Am certain that Mugsy is correct.

The big question is why the PAPI's were not captured and followed long before the arrival ("Make short approach." issue?).

The following would seem to imply that all was OK before the accident (The '77 prolly took out the lights during the skid-out):

NOTAM SFO 07/046
!SFO 07/046 SFO RWY 28L PAPI OTS WEF 1307062219
CREATED: 06 Jul 2013 22:19:00
SOURCE: KOAKYFYX

Posted by Uncle Phester 2013-07-07 11:15|| 2013-07-07 11:15|| Front Page Top

#5 It will be found to be cultural error, but no one will say so out loud.
Posted by Nimble Spemble

Exactly! No one challenges the Captain.

Posted by Besoeker 2013-07-07 11:36|| 2013-07-07 11:36|| Front Page Top

#6 Update: a/c was on a steeper-than-normal approach (>3-degrees). Power not added in time to stabilize approach / overcome inertia. Gravity sux....

Posted by Uncle Phester 2013-07-07 12:28|| 2013-07-07 12:28|| Front Page Top

#7 I knew he had to be flaired up to bonk the tail off. What's Korean for "ooops"?

Posted by Mugsy Glink 2013-07-07 12:49|| 2013-07-07 12:49|| Front Page Top

#8 What's Korean for "ooops"?

Co-pilot-san error.....

Posted by Uncle Phester 2013-07-07 13:22|| 2013-07-07 13:22|| Front Page Top

#9 But let's not overlook the possibility that (1) ATC, for whatever reason, left 'em too high for the approach gate, and (2) The PIC accepted the Clearance-to-Land without having established a stabilized approach. Shared responsibility if this is the case, but, as is cynically said, "ATC means you never have to say you're sorry."....

Posted by Uncle Phester 2013-07-07 13:27|| 2013-07-07 13:27|| Front Page Top

#10 For now, we acknowledge that there were no problems caused by the 777-200 plane or engines, Yoon Young-doo [president of Asiana Airlines] said at the companys headquarters.

Looking more and more like pilot error.

Posted by Squinty 2013-07-07 13:28|| 2013-07-07 13:28|| Front Page Top

#11 Drudge has a link to video from guy 'just filming' at moment of impact; also running on CNN; airplane is definitely too low.

Posted by USN, Ret. 2013-07-07 17:14|| 2013-07-07 17:14|| Front Page Top

#12 Heard NTSB gal on the news: plane was bleeding off altitude for approach with throttles in idle position. Seconds before impact, throttles were advanced and someone in the cockpit made a call for a go-around.

Posted by SteveS 2013-07-07 19:35|| 2013-07-07 19:35|| Front Page Top

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