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2013-05-23 Britain

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Posted by Fred 2013-05-23 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 She must be the bravest woman on earth, or the most foolhardy.
Mrs Loyau-Kennett, 48, from Cornwall, was one of the first people on the scene after the two Islamic extremists butchered a soldier in Woolwich, south east London.

She was photographed by onlookers confronting one of the attackers who was holding a bloodied knife.

Mrs Loyau-Kennett was a passenger on a number 53 bus which was travelling past the scene, and jumped off to check the soldiers pulse.
Being a cub leader I have my first aid so when I saw this guy on the floor I thought it was an accident then I saw the guy was dead and I could not feel any pulse.
And then when I went up there was this black guy with a revolver and a kitchen knife, he had what looked like butchers tools and he had a little axe, to cut the bones, and two large knives and he said 'move off the body.
So I thought 'OK, I dont know what is going on here and he was covered with blood. I thought I had better start talking to him before he starts attacking somebody else. I thought these people usually have a message so I said 'what do you want?
I asked him if he did it and he said yes and I said why? And he said because he has killed Muslim people in Muslim countries, he said he was a British soldier and I said really and he said 'I killed him because he killed Muslims and I am fed up with people killing Muslims in Afghanistan they have nothing to do there.
Moments earlier, the killers had hacked at the soldier like a piece of meat, and when Mrs Loyau-Kennett arrived on the scene they were roaming John Wilson Street waiting for police to arrive so they could stage a final confrontation with them.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2013-05-23 00:06|| 2013-05-23 00:06|| Front Page Top

#2 Two UK men have been arrested after separate attacks on mosques following the terrorist incident in Woolwich.
Supporters of the English Defence League (EDL) gathered at Woolwich Arsenal train station near the scene and threw bottles at police.

EDL leader Tommy Robinson, who was among a group of around 250 men, said: "They're chopping our soldiers' heads off. This is Islam. That's what we've seen today."

He added: "They've cut off one of our Army's heads off on the streets of London. Our next generation are being taught through schools that Islam is a religion of peace. It's not. It never has been. What you saw today is Islam. Everyone's had enough. There has to be a reaction, for the Government to listen, for the police to listen, to understand how angry this British public are."

The secretary of the mosque in Braintree, Sikander Saleemy, reportedly told Channel 4 News that he felt like it was a "revenge attack". Mr Saleemy said: "The police said it's too early to try and link it to what happened in Woolwich, but those of us who were here feel that it was some sort of revenge attack. It was clear from the man's behaviour.

"We absolutely condemn what happened in Woolwich, but it had nothing to do with us. It was an appalling act of terror - but it wasn't "Islamic" in any way. I wish it wasn't described like that, because sadly people will now start to blame Muslims."

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2013-05-23 00:24|| 2013-05-23 00:24|| Front Page Top

#3 sadly people will now start to blame Muslims
Now?

Posted by Skidmark 2013-05-23 00:34|| 2013-05-23 00:34|| Front Page Top

#4 but it wasn't "Islamic" in any way
Of course not, you lying bastard.
The Qur'an declares:

Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers! (3:151)

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (8:12-13)

Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. (8:59-60)

And Allah turned back the Unbelievers for (all) their fury: no advantage did they gain; and enough is Allah for the believers in their fight. And Allah is full of Strength, able to enforce His Will. And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things. (33:25-27)

It is He Who got out the Unbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes at the first gathering (of the forces). Little did ye think that they would get out: And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But the (Wrath of) Allah came to them from quarters from which they little expected (it), and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers, take warning, then, O ye with eyes (to see)! (59:2)

That is because they resisted Allah and His Messenger: And if any one resists Allah, verily, Allah is severe in punishment. (59:4)

Of a truth ye are stronger (than they) because of the terror in their hearts, (sent) by Allah. This is because they are men devoid of understanding. (59:13)

Reading those verses it becomes clear that even though it is Allah who casts the terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, he does so by the action of the Muslims: ... smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them ... Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies ... some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners ... destroyed their dwellings by the hands of the Believers.

Allah commands deeds of terror by the believers against the unbelievers as the means of creating the emotion of terror in their hearts. The only reason needed for action is that "they resisted Allah and His Messenger".

Such an approach to "conflict management" is nothing to be ashamed about according to Islamic understanding, but it is a basis for pride. It is one reason for the superiority of Muhammad over all other prophets.

Posted by tipper 2013-05-23 01:39|| 2013-05-23 01:39|| Front Page Top

#5 If not now, then when is it time to Cry havoc! and let slip the dogs of war, that this foul deed shall smell above the earth with carrion men, groaning for burial.

Posted by AlanC 2013-05-23 06:47|| 2013-05-23 06:47|| Front Page Top

#6 From London Evening Standard

Adebolajo began attending meetings of the banned Islamist organisation Al Muhajiroun and its successor organisations but stopped going two years ago.

Anjem Choudary, the former leader of the group, said: "I knew him as Mujahid. He attended our meetings and my lectures. I wouldn't describe him as a member [of Al Muhajiroun]. There were lots of people who came to our activities who weren't necessarily members.

"He was a pleasant, quiet guy. He converted to Islam in about 2003. He was just a completely normal guy. He was interested in Islam, in memorising the Koran. He disappeared about two years ago. I don't know what influences he has been under since then."

That Choudary guy has been trouble for years and nothing gets done about it

Posted by Paul D 2013-05-23 08:20|| 2013-05-23 08:20|| Front Page Top

#7 yes Paul,

Choudary is a bad guy but he gets his inspiration from the Koran (e.g., the verses that Tipper cited), the Hadith, the Sunna.

same w Inspire magazine

same w Al Q

people are 'radicalized' by the Koran/Haddith/Sunna either directly or indirectly through an iman

Posted by lord garth 2013-05-23 10:16|| 2013-05-23 10:16|| Front Page Top

#8 More moslem shit. Godless of course. Apostates.

Posted by newc 2013-05-23 10:49|| 2013-05-23 10:49|| Front Page Top

#9 "He wasn't a member...we just allowed him to come to all of our meetings, ask anything he wanted, he learned from us, brought falafel, and was a nice quiet man who loved his family. We didn't think anything about it when he just stopped showing up."

Choudary was going on about the OKC tornado being some Pecos Bill convert carrying out the wishes of allen or something. This deal reminds me a bit of when the Turks were attacking Malta, they had captured a French knight early in the engagement and after torture, dragged him in front of the fort and systematically butchered him as a way to intimidate and cow the defenders. Definitely a gauntlet throwdown.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-05-23 10:55|| 2013-05-23 10:55|| Front Page Top

#10

Supporters of the English Defence League (EDL) gathered at Woolwich Arsenal train station near the scene and threw bottles at police.

Guys, you're throwing bottles at the wrong people.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2013-05-23 11:06|| 2013-05-23 11:06|| Front Page Top

#11

I don't know what influences he has been under since then.

I suspect he has been under the influence of the koran. Nasty bit of work, that. Leads to all sorts of horrors.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2013-05-23 11:07|| 2013-05-23 11:07|| Front Page Top

#12 Guys, you're throwing bottles at the wrong people.

Depends which side they're on. Britons are starting to question that.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2013-05-23 12:59|| 2013-05-23 12:59|| Front Page Top

#13 NS is right. You have to get through the defenders to get to the crims.

Posted by AlanC 2013-05-23 13:16|| 2013-05-23 13:16|| Front Page Top

#14 Because of stories like this: troops advised not to wear uniform outside bases. The elite is on the other side.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2013-05-23 13:44|| 2013-05-23 13:44|| Front Page Top

#15 2 more arrests in London attack investigation
Scotland Yard said counterterrorism officers arrested a man and a woman - both 29 - on Thursday on suspicion of conspiracy to murder. Both suspects are in custody at a south London police station.

Posted by tipper 2013-05-23 14:12|| 2013-05-23 14:12|| Front Page Top

#16 Pay not attention to Tipper's link. These were clearly two deranged individuals acting alone, not part of any larger movement. Islam is a religion of piece.

Posted by Erich Halter 2013-05-23 14:27|| 2013-05-23 14:27|| Front Page Top

#17 Tipping point? The public response this week will be educational. When is the next election? If I was the party out of power I'd be screaming for them to call an election.

Posted by rjschwarz 2013-05-23 14:54|| 2013-05-23 14:54|| Front Page Top

#18 If the government and police will not act against the imams and mosques that incite this kind of behavior, then some people will rise up. Then it gets really ugly. PC govt is suicide on the installment plan.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2013-05-23 15:25|| 2013-05-23 15:25|| Front Page Top

#19 The problem is that it is too easy to access cleavers and knives; we need stricter blade control laws, with background checks and waiting periods, and probably certification from local law enforcement that you are a chef and have legitimate need of said blades.

Posted by Glenmore 2013-05-23 20:34|| 2013-05-23 20:34|| Front Page Top

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