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#1 If women can't meet the standards, we'll just "gender-norm" them.
Then they will also need to address the class discrimination issues of 'more(harder/stronger) work for equal pay' that appear.
Posted by Skidmark 2013-02-04 06:03||
#2 We know this because Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently said as much:
"If we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn't make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary, why is it that high? Does it really have to be that high?"
The Army has had separate but equal [I love using that term] female height and weight standards, as well as physical fitness standards for decades.
How about a discussion centered around SICK CALL? Who goes on SICK CALL by an alarmingly high percentage? Yep, here she comes, absent from PT, late for formation, with a sick slip and profile in her hand..."but sergeant my ****** hurts".
Fine, fine job General Dempsey. Fine job.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-02-04 08:00||
#3 I knew I had arrived when I saw tampons inserted into ACU [body armor] cargo loops. You want "combat ready"...? You got it!
Posted by Besoeker 2013-02-04 08:20||
#4 Polling that shows Americans favor women in combat by a 2-to-1 margin is evidence only of the power of misinformation.
The vast majority who've never served nor understand the sociology of military life. I'm sure they slept at a Holiday Inn though.
There is no math in nature. Math is a manmade concept developed first for accounting and then trying to explain the world around them. Nature doesn't care. It doesn't compute orbits or planets or the number of electrons around an atom. It just is. Man counts, categorizes, analyzes. Nature does, however, do chemistry. There's no equal in water, but it still takes two hydrogen and one oxygen to make it. The unstable combinations work themselves out 'naturally', and yet the world and universe go on. When you try to force stuff together that isn't intended to be, you end up with exceedingly short half lifes or a release of energy that leaves the elements diminished if not altered beyond their original physics.
Posted by Procopius2k 2013-02-04 08:39||
First Sergeant: Where is Specialist Alecia Jones? Section Leader: She's taking her kids to the doctor TOP. Oh, ok, no problem.
First Sergeant: Where is Specialist Chris Smith?
Section Leader: He's taking his kids to the doctor TOP. WTF? Where is his wife, the lazy ...k! I wanna see him when he gets in.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-02-04 09:02||
#6 If you are looking for equality then you have to consider the stature-impaired, the aged and arthritic, and the disabled also. EEO guidelines? The military is uniquely different and demanding in many of its missions. The mission should drive decisions and not social engineering.
It would seem that for some special ops combat outfits, women would have difficulty with the missions. The practicality of it is that women who end up serving in combat zones have ended up in combat.
"To make life more fair and allow both sexes to choose would be, as military sociologist Charles Moskos once put it, "the end of an effective military force."
Maybe that is the entire point with these left-wing PC-driven statists who believe in "What if you called a war and no one showed up." Or everyone showed up.
Posted by JohnQC 2013-02-04 09:23||
#7 "D'ou venons nous? Qui sommers nous? Ou allons Nous?
- Paul Gauguin, 1897:
[Where do we come from? Who are we? Where are we going?]
Posted by Besoeker 2013-02-04 09:34||
#8 I'm heading towards 74 in a couple of days. I've got a knee I can't trust--won't take much weight. Strength, speed, and stamina have declined with age. Had surgeries on my retinas but vision is nearly normal with correction. I can still shoot reasonably well should the need arise. With some of these problems, I'd be a danger to my fellow soldiers and would not want to put them in harm's way for equality purposes. You cannot legislate equality. As P2K said, nature does not recognize equality.
Posted by JohnQC 2013-02-04 09:56||
#9 Happy Birthday JohnQC! Hope you see 20 or 30 more.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-02-04 10:02||
#10 tampon stuffed into entry wound works good.
Kirlex and kotex on the exit wound.
Posted by bman 2013-02-04 10:20||
#11 When I scuttling off to places like Angola, Tanzania, and Uganda and ducking in and out of Syria, I kept my webgear and my personal side arm in my quarters.
Ex wife number one said the good old standard issue combat dressing looked like a giant kotex. When I came back from Angola with a hole in my side and a desire to sleep in trees, the first ex said a tampon was probably a better dressing. She was a real Army wife and probably would have signed up and gone to war with me if she could have. Her only problem was she was 5-2 and about 100 lbs sopping wet and had a hard time controlling our Bassett Hound.
I don't think women in combat are a good idea given the vulnerability of a woman taking a leak or having to take care of personal hygiene. I did date an IDF major with a big bayonet scar on her back from some unfortunate occurrance at an IDF field hospital in the Golan Heights and she was not in favor of it either. She said killing strange men was contrary to a woman's nature, killing a husband or boyfriend was understandable and part of the course of life...
Posted by Bill Clinton 2013-02-04 10:31||
#12 Thanks Besoeker. I have a Marine friend who I waxed philosophical with. I said something idiotic like everyone has to go sometime. He said: "You are just not trying hard enough."
She said killing strange men was contrary to a woman's nature, killing a husband or boyfriend was understandable and part of the course of life... LOL, there is truth to that.
Posted by JohnQC 2013-02-04 10:39||
#13 Yes, good point and good field expedient. Tegaderm and Alegra products offer a wide variety of coverings. Newer coverings have been developed that fit into the entry wound and lock-out air. Exit wounds are some of the worst threats. Nearly gone are the days of using the cellophane from a pack of Lucky Strikes as taught in the 1960's.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-02-04 10:40||
#14 Whahahaha.... JohnQC. I have a couple of Marine fiends who "wax philosophical" as well. Never wanted to be a Marine, but I sure enjoy the friendships.
All I have to do [and possibly you as well] is think about all of those chums I've had who have been dirt napping for years, and some decades. Good men all. I'm one lucky SOB! Being born in America. Living long enuf to see grannies, yes one lucky SOB. The good Lord owes me nothing, and I thank God for every sunrise and sunset.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-02-04 10:48||
#15 Most of the women who want entry to combat arms are officers that want their ticket punched so they can advance into the General ranks. They don't have to hump ammo, pack an M-60 up a hill on a dirt trail, ect. I suspect most of them wouldn't care about the troops they would command or they wouldn't be pushing this. Especially any talk about reduction in standards.
When all else is equal, size (and gender) matters in combat.
Posted by tipover 2013-02-04 12:12||
#16 Frankly, I think a large portion of the public approval is from the "give 'em what they want, good and hard" mindset.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2013-02-04 12:36||
#17 SHTF wid either or both CHINA + IRAN by this Summer 2013 - does America = Amerikka wants to see its women in intensive naval combat agz China, or in intensive ground combat agz Iran in the harsh desert or agz China in the high hills or ridges of Korea or perhaps Taiwan, Japan.
Lest we fergit, China has a histoire' of maasacring post-battle survivors whom attempt to surrender even under the auspices of International law = Geneva Convention - as for Iran, only God = Allan knows what will happen to US Female Soldiers captured in combat or other by Muslim Soldats or other Proxy.
LET US ALSO NOT FERGIT THAT A US WAR AGZ CHINA ANDOR IRAN HAS A GOOD-TO-HIGH CHANCE OF GOING NUCLEAR = NUCLEAR-POSSIBLE. China has ICBMS that CAN strike CONUS or Japan or any ASEAN; while defensive or active-defense minded Iran may use any primitive NucBombs or "Dirty Nukes-WMDS" it has dev'd agz established US Army-Marine beachheads or airheads, fronts + airfields + staging areas, etc. on Iranian soil or pro-US allied targets around the Persian Gulf.
THIS WILL DEFINITELY N-O-T BE "PEACEKEEPING" OR ANTI-INSURGENCY.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-02-05 00:00||