Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.
Posted by DarthVader 2013-02-01 12:30||
#2 Speaking in economic terms, the government does not understand that as you increase the cost of a commodity, in this case a mandated level of coverage, the demand will drop, Obamacare will increase not decrease the number of people without insurance. Secondly, if both members of the example household are working and are not being provided with insurance the employer is also paying a $1,500 fine for not providing insurance. Effectively a nice $3,900 per person tax.
Lastly, the rising uninsured may not be a bad thing after all. Insurance only unconstrains demand. If demand is constrained by individuals having to pay full price themselves, demand will fall and health care may come under market forces that will bring health care into market equilibrium instead of forever rising in cost.
Posted by Bill Clinton 2013-02-01 12:35||
#3 Don't worry, I'm sure it will come to be known as the George W Bush Healthcare Tax somehow.
Posted by bigjim-CA 2013-02-01 17:34||
#4 Also, I'm still surprised regulary by people remarking to me that they assumed it would be free.
They're feeling kinda dejected.
Posted by bigjim-CA 2013-02-01 17:41||
#5 $20,000 to buy the bronze plan or $2,400 to go without...
It is a tax! Nobody's gonna buy the bronze plan, they're just gonna pay the penalty!
Posted by Bobby 2013-02-01 18:21||
#6 I said at the very beginning of this, back in 2009, that the whole point of ObamaCare was to destroy the current practice of medicine and health care financing so as to make way for a universal, single-payer, enforced-coverage model of health care.
The progressives couldn't get that in one step, and they could persuade Americans to give up what they had, so first they had to destroy what we had, so that they could offer up something 'better'.
I am more convinced than ever that this is the plan.
Posted by Steve White 2013-02-01 18:41||
#7 Yokay, I'll bite, as per anti-Sovereign, anti-Nationalist, + anti-US OWG NAU 2015 + ANTI-BORDER "CANTONIZATION/ENCLAVIZATION" OF AMERIKA what or how much will Mexico, Canada, + Greenland, etc. be contributing $$$ wise to said NAU in order to MUCHO LOWER the costs of said Bammer-care to Amerikan families + individuals, AAYYY???
Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-02-01 19:00||
Posted by junkiron 2013-02-01 19:17||
#9 What Dr. White said. Some doctors are abandoning medicine. At least two of my doctors have bailed out early. I have heard of others. It would seem that that might suggest a shortage of doctors in the future. If med schools lower their standards to attract more to fill these shortages, doctor and treatment quality could suffer. Everything has been turned upside down by the statists. Market forces are not in play. Supply and demand and incentives that result are not in play.
Posted by JohnQC 2013-02-01 19:32||
#10 I am not normally a vindictive person, but I want those damn tax forms to go out stating those payments. I really, really do. Badly. Just so I can laugh at some of the faces of those who voted for this monstrosity.
Posted by Charles 2013-02-01 19:45||
#11 I am more convinced than ever that this is the plan.
I used to smirk at the notion the leftist clan was cunning enuff to devise a program destined to fail all as a ruse to be replaced by Universal Care. Not smirk'n so much anymore.
Posted by DepotGuy 2013-02-01 19:48||
we are importing more MDs every year. Who cares how many we graduate.
Posted by bushman 2013-02-01 20:13||
#13 One of the first rules you learn in Econ 101 is that there is no such thing as a free lunch. Every bill passed into law is paid for by some group of people. Medical care is not and never will be free. Somebody always pays for any medical care any person receives. You cannot give 30 million people health insurance they cannot afford without someone else paying for it.
Obama tried to pass off the illusion that the wealthy would be providing health care for the poor. But now that the law has been passed, and we can see what's in it, it should be obvious that the cost of Obamacare is, and always was, designed to be be born on the backs of middle class wage earner.
The Obama administration has gone to great lengths to prevent the full shock and realization of what Obamacare will cost all tax payers until after the 2016 Primary Elections.
Posted by junkiron 2013-02-01 20:53||
#14 I have been giving seminars on Obublecare the last several weeks. It's to cumbersome to meet implementation this year. Hell they just pushed off the employer notification requirement that was supposed to happen 3/01 because DOL hasn't written the regs, the IRS hasn't defined the benefit package and HHS didn't the boilerplate explanation that the employers are to hand out ready and there is no exchange in place
Posted by Beavis 2013-02-01 21:02||
#15 A friend recently received a letter from her primary care provider. The letter was to inform her that as of January 1, 2012 her doctor would no longer be accepting new patients on Medicaid or Medicare.
It was also to inform current Medicaid and Medicare patients that they should contact an advisory service they had set up to assist current patients in arrangeing for an alternative form of payment or a referal to another medical facility.
My friend is disabled and on SSI. Medicaid is her only possible means of payment. The advisory service referred her to the nearest alternate medical facility which is in another city one hour and 45 minutes away. The state will provide her with transportation, but only if as many a five people need to go on the same day.
If you don't think Steve White is absolutely right, then you probably just haven't received your version of the letter yet.
Posted by junkiron 2013-02-01 22:16||
#16 $2400 will buy you a nice rifle decked out with lasers and nifty scopes, and a mess o' bullets.
People will not be payin' the tax, just say'n.
Posted by rammer 2013-02-01 22:26||
#17 Rammer there is no tax/penalty unless you get a refund. That's just how insidious this is
Posted by Beavis 2013-02-01 22:40||