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2012-06-28 Home Front: Politix
BREAKING: Supreme Court Says OBAMACARE STANDS! 6-3
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#1 Yay! Slavery is once again legal! All bow to your lord and Master Obama the Tyrant!

Going to go buy a few more cases of ammo and supplies for when the next civil war starts.
Posted by Silentbrick - Schlumberger Squishy Mud Division 2012-06-28 10:43||   2012-06-28 10:43|| Front Page Top

#2 that's gonna be one hell of a tax too pay for healthcare AND all the new debtors prisons they are gonna have too build! How are the 40 million who can't afford insurance now supposed too pay for the shit just because they passed a law?
Posted by chris 2012-06-28 10:48||   2012-06-28 10:48|| Front Page Top

#3 The individual mandate survives because it is deemed a tax? Does this mean that people will be paying a tax for things which go against their religious beliefs such as abortion?
Posted by JohnQC 2012-06-28 11:04||   2012-06-28 11:04|| Front Page Top

#4 Senator Mitch McConnell released the following today in the Senate:

Jun 28 2012
McConnell Calls For Full Repeal of Obamacare
Washington, D.C.– U.S. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell made the following remarks on the Senate floor regarding the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the President’s healthcare law, and the need for full repeal:

“Two and a half years ago, a Democrat president teamed up with a Democrat-led Congress to force a piece of legislation on the American people that they never asked for, and that has turned out to be just as disastrous as many of us predicted.

“Amid economic recession, a spiraling federal debt, and accelerating increases in government health spending, they proposed a bill that has made these problems worse.

“Americans were promised lower health care costs. They’re going up.

“Americans were promised lower premiums. They’re going up.

“Most Americans were promised their taxes wouldn’t change. They’re going up.

“Seniors were promised Medicare would be protected. It was raided to pay for a new entitlement instead.

“Americans were promised it would create jobs. The CBO predicts it will lead to nearly 1 million fewer jobs.

“Americans were promised they could keep their plan if they liked it, yet millions have learned they can’t.

“And the President of the United States himself promised up and down that this bill was not a tax.

“This was one of the Democrats’ top selling points — because they knew it would have never passed if they said it was. The Supreme Court has spoken. This law is a tax.

“This bill was sold to the American people on a deception. But it’s not just that the promises about this law weren’t kept. It’s that it’s made the problems it was meant to solve even worse.

“The supposed cure has proved to be worse than the disease.

“So it’s not just that the promises about this law weren’t kept. It’s that it has made the problems it was meant to solve even worse.

“The supposed cure has proved to be worse than the disease.

“So the pundits will talk a lot today about what they think today’s ruling means and what it doesn’t mean. But I can assure you this: Republicans won’t let up whatsoever in our determination to repeal this terrible law and replace it with the kind of reforms that will truly address the problems it was meant to solve.

“We pass plenty of terrible laws around here that the court finds constitutional. Constitutionality was never an argument to keep this law in place, and it’s certainly not one you’ll hear from Republicans in Congress.

“There’s only one way to truly ‘fix’ Obamacare, and that’s a full repeal that clears the way for common-sense, step-by-step reforms that protect Americans’ access to the care they need, from the doctor they choose, at a lower cost. And that’s precisely what Republicans are committed to doing.

“The American people weren’t waiting on the Supreme Court to tell them whether they supported this law. That question was settled two and a half years ago. The more the American people have learned about this law, the less they’ve liked it.

So now that the court has ruled, it’s time to move beyond the constitutional debate and focus on the primary reason this law should be fully repealed and replaced: because of the colossal damage it has already done to the health care system, to the economy, and to the job market.

“The Democrat health care law has made things worse; Americans want it repealed; and that’s precisely what we intend to do. Americans want us to start over. And today’s decision does nothing to change that.

“The court’s ruling doesn’t mark the end of a debate. It marks a fresh start on the road to repeal. That’s been our goal from the start. That’s our goal now. And we plan to achieve it.

“The President has done nothing to address the problems of cost, care, and access. We will.”
Posted by JohnQC 2012-06-28 11:16||   2012-06-28 11:16|| Front Page Top

#5 The portion of the decision which described the government's ability to penalize the States for non-compliance as "unconstitutional" may have far reaching implications beyond that of Obamacare.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-06-28 11:24||   2012-06-28 11:24|| Front Page Top

#6 I was halfway out the door before this, because the IRS wants to examine the bank account of my wife, who is not an American, doesn't want to be an American, and has never lived in America.
This is the final straw. I'm not going to be compelled to pay into a system I will never use. Now it's apparent that the Supreme Court has no idea what negative liberty is anymore, which is the basis of the Constitution.
I will abandon my American citizenship in favor of an Estonian one, because I'm a lot freer here than what I see and visit back home. I honestly feel sorry for you who don't have that option.
Everybody better vote to flip the Senate and the Presidency, or it will be Game Over.
Posted by Mizzou Mafia 2012-06-28 11:28||   2012-06-28 11:28|| Front Page Top

#7 An online calculator indicated that if a person with an income of just $20,000.00 refuses to buy insurance and pay the resulting annual fine, the IRS penalty for the years 2014 through 2016 combined is $49,744.99.
Posted by Greamble Protector of the Faith7496 2012-06-28 11:43||   2012-06-28 11:43|| Front Page Top

#8 Supreme Court's Clerk's Office:

1-202-479-3011 Then Select Option 5

The Supreme Court clerks are taking feedback.

Posted by One Eyed Lumplump2021 2012-06-28 11:52||   2012-06-28 11:52|| Front Page Top

#9 Vote was 5-4
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2012-06-28 11:57||   2012-06-28 11:57|| Front Page Top

#10 Not to worry. We'll take the White House this Fall and our guy will...oh shit! He invented the mandate. Never mind.
Posted by Marilyn Black5314 2012-06-28 12:02||   2012-06-28 12:02|| Front Page Top

#11 The Supreme Court clerks are taking feedback.
Posted by One Eyed Lumplump2021

"Feedback" for what purpose? They surely already know the majority of people along with 26 states, wanted to see Obamacare declared unconstitutional.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-06-28 12:03||   2012-06-28 12:03|| Front Page Top

#12 An online calculator indicated that if a person with an income of just $20,000.00 refuses to buy insurance and pay the resulting annual fine, the IRS penalty for the years 2014 through 2016 combined is $49,744.99.

I doubt there are people making $ 20K who can afford either insurance or the fine.

This "constitutional" law replaces "Let Them Eat Cake!" with "Make Them Buy Cake!"
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2012-06-28 12:03||   2012-06-28 12:03|| Front Page Top

#13 "Feedback" for what purpose? They surely already know the majority of people along with 26 states, wanted to see Obamacare declared unconstitutional.

Well said. But now they need to feel the heat of the people. When I called, the clerk sounded alarmed like they were getting a lot of serious calls. She was, "Yes sir. I understand, sir. Yes, sir."
Posted by Neville Sholung2906 2012-06-28 12:11||   2012-06-28 12:11|| Front Page Top

#14 This just proves to me that the entire process of our government is completely broken. Expect Obama to be "re-elected" by fiat.
Posted by DarthVader 2012-06-28 12:12||   2012-06-28 12:12|| Front Page Top

#15 Well, I called the clerk to ask the procedure for impeachment of a Justice for treason, got put on 'hold' with another person who had called to ask a question.

I think they're a tad panicked.

I would assume it follows the same procedure as the ones for president, articles written and voted on by house, sent to Senate and so on but it's not listed anywhere. I figured they'd know things...you know, about the constitution and how it works.

I also wanted to ask them what happens if like a State issues a warrant for a Justice, what then. But clearly they didn't want to answer.
Posted by Silentbrick - Schlumberger Squishy Mud Division 2012-06-28 13:20||   2012-06-28 13:20|| Front Page Top

#16 Living proof that SCOTUS knows that p*ss*ng of the Right is less dangerous than p*ss*ng off the Left......
Posted by Uncle Phester 2012-06-28 13:48||   2012-06-28 13:48|| Front Page Top

#17 ... er, off the Right......
Posted by Uncle Phester 2012-06-28 13:49||   2012-06-28 13:49|| Front Page Top

#18 But now they need to feel the heat of the people.

No. The whole point of the Supreme Court justices being appointed for life is to take politics out of their rulings. They are there to interpret the meaning of the Constitution and they can't do that if they are swayed by public opinion. That is a good thing.

The problem is that the people of this country were ignorant enough to elect a communist president. The people, at least the majority who voted for Obama, are getting what they deserve. Our only hope is to vote him and his allies in Congress out of office in November. If we can't do that we are screwed.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-06-28 13:50||   2012-06-28 13:50|| Front Page Top

#19 Living proof that SCOTUS knows that p*ss*ng of on the Right is less dangerous than p*ss*ng off the Left......

Fixed it for ya....
Posted by BA 2012-06-28 13:56||   2012-06-28 13:56|| Front Page Top

#20 The government still can't punish states who don't follow the new Medicare rules. Most poor will still be uncovered. He accomplished little at enormous expense.
Posted by gorb 2012-06-28 14:19||   2012-06-28 14:19|| Front Page Top

#21 Sen. Tom Coburn (as well as others) pointed out in a publication appropriately named Bad Medicine that ObamaCare has no system of verification for whether a person is an illegal immigrant or not. So not only has the Supreme Court allowed the flood gates to open from south of the border, it looks like ObamaCare may have to pay for them (and their family) while they are here.

Furthermore, it looks like any behavior or non-behavior desired/promoted/law passed by the Federal government can be taxed. There are few protections left to the individual except the vote. Holder has been trying to nullify citizen votes by not upholding voter ID laws.

I'm thinking the majority of the Supremes are fools.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-06-28 14:22||   2012-06-28 14:22|| Front Page Top

#22 the BILL that the court just ruled on originated in the Senate. This opens up an entirely new line of legal attack, because any revenue bill must originate in the House. No one had bothered to make this argument in the past, because no one had considered the mandate a tax. But now that the court has declared it to be so, it could be struck down as unconstitutional because of the process.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2012-06-28 14:38||   2012-06-28 14:38|| Front Page Top

#23 The tax code will now be more of a weapon to 'alter our behavior'..
Next: Obese tax law..,...lol

The tax code has proven to be a remarkably flexible set of laws for coaxing or compelling changes in human behavior (witness, of course, the high tax on cigarettes).
Posted by crazyhorse 2012-06-28 14:42||   2012-06-28 14:42|| Front Page Top

#24 Look for Harry Reid to require all citizens to buy deodorant.
Posted by Bob 2012-06-28 14:48||   2012-06-28 14:48|| Front Page Top

#25 ... it could be struck down as unconstitutional because of the process.

I'd put the odds of that happening at around a million to one against. Lower federal courts will dismiss such complaints on the grounds that the US S.Ct. has already considered the tax and found it a valid exercise of Congressional power.
Posted by AzCat 2012-06-28 14:56||   2012-06-28 14:56|| Front Page Top

#26 I think this provides a lot of ammo for those who want an alternate tax system and I hope the tea party folks take up that banner.
Posted by rjschwarz 2012-06-28 15:05||   2012-06-28 15:05|| Front Page Top

#27 Sen. Tom Coburn (as well as others) pointed out in a publication appropriately named Bad Medicine that ObamaCare has no system of verification for whether a person is an illegal immigrant or not.

That's why Joe Wilson called him a liar.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-06-28 15:08||   2012-06-28 15:08|| Front Page Top

#28 #18 No. The whole point of the Supreme Court justices being appointed for life is to take politics out of their rulings. They are there to interpret the meaning of the Constitution and they can't do that if they are swayed by public opinion. That is a good thing.

The problem is that the people of this country were ignorant enough to elect a communist president. The people, at least the majority who voted for Obama, are getting what they deserve. Our only hope is to vote him and his allies in Congress out of office in November. If we can't do that we are screwed.

Exactly. ^ ^ ^ What Ebbang said.
Posted by RandomJD 2012-06-28 15:37||   2012-06-28 15:37|| Front Page Top

#29 Roberts was apppointed by Bush. I expect the other Justice Czars to act the way they do but not Roberts. When the supreme court allowed for eminient domain a few years back; I felt that Obamacare would be upheld. I guess Mayor Bloomberg can now require 10 jumping jacks for every OZ. of soda drank; or fines will be imposed.

Let the Detroitification of America Begin!
Posted by airandee 2012-06-28 17:00||   2012-06-28 17:00|| Front Page Top

#30 From Drudge:

Cantor: House will vote on repeal on July 11

GOP governors vow to ignore Obamacare until after the election
Posted by trailing wife 2012-06-28 17:05||   2012-06-28 17:05|| Front Page Top

#31 With states ignoring some federal laws, and the feds ignoring other federal laws, I wonder how much time we have left before everything crumbles. This is how civil wars start.
Posted by DarthVader 2012-06-28 17:26||   2012-06-28 17:26|| Front Page Top

#32 I am unhappy with the results of the decision today. That said, we can still change the direction of this in November. This law can still be defeated. I think this will electrify the conservatives in this country.

There is also the fact that the ruling appears to limit the reach of the Commerce Act. We cannot be 'forced to eat broccoli' by dint of the Commerce Act. By explicitly making that clear, and by making ACA participation in it a tax, it gave the lie to the Democrat's previous positions and now makes it crystal clear to all Americans that they will be TAXED to pay for this, something they were promised would not happen. No one likes new taxes, except for the Dems.

Like I said, I am going to let this settle out for a few days.
Posted by Whiskey Mike 2012-06-28 17:45||   2012-06-28 17:45|| Front Page Top

#33 AceofSpades pointed out this was ALWAYS PlanB. It's not until the March we all thought it had a chance in reality. And he's right.

Vote, Donate, Volunteer, and Inform. List the facts: Mandate=$600 billion tax increase according to SC, $500 Billion Medicare cut, Contraception Mandate, Obama/Pelosi/Reid lying about it being Tax.

I truly thing the Tax and Mediscare reversed will have an effect.
Posted by Charles 2012-06-28 17:58||   2012-06-28 17:58|| Front Page Top

#34 The problem is that the people of this country were ignorant enough to elect a communist president.

I am not confident it is out of ignorance that they voted for Obama - a large number WANT a communist/socialist government that 'takes care of them', and another large number want an elitist government because they believe themselves among the elite. Add to that the number who can be bought (banks, etc.) and you have the solid majority of anti-individualists who elected Obama and probably will again.
Posted by Glenmore 2012-06-28 18:32||   2012-06-28 18:32|| Front Page Top

#35 We cannot be 'forced to eat broccoli' by dint of the Commerce Act.

No but thanks to Roberts' interpretation of the Taxing Power you may now be penalized for not purchasing a government mandated amount of the stuff. Or for failing to purchase a Chevy Volt, or for not upgrading the insulation in your home, etc. Anything our political overlords deem good for us we may now be taxed (penalized) for not doing. Of course these would appear to be direct taxes that are patently unconstitutional unless they're apportioned among the states based on population. Odd Roberts chose to overlook that detail.
Posted by AzCat 2012-06-28 18:33||   2012-06-28 18:33|| Front Page Top

#36 

When you run about
Without precautions
You'll get diseased
And need abortions
And up till now
No vaccination
Can give you back your reputation

Cathy go home
Without your daughter
In a welfare state
She'll be well looked after
And it's easy now
This other person
Is off your back not a burden
Posted by swksvolFF 2012-06-28 18:44||   2012-06-28 18:44|| Front Page Top

#37 This will not be overturned. Change will only come with disaster/bankruptcy
Posted by airandee 2012-06-28 18:47||   2012-06-28 18:47|| Front Page Top

#38 I'm beginning to think we do need a constitutional convention - dispite all the risks thereof...
Posted by Mad Eye Flinesing9726 2012-06-28 19:22||   2012-06-28 19:22|| Front Page Top

#39 I am Mad Eye. Lost my cookies when I heard the news.
Posted by CrazyFool (was Mad Eye Flinesing9726) 2012-06-28 19:23||   2012-06-28 19:23|| Front Page Top

#40 This health care law was always a Trojan Horse. It had to and still has to self-destruct. Its passage was battlespace preparation and the ultimate philosphical argument is whether health care is an individual or a collective issue. I do wish the arguments could be more than superficial though - for instance, the costs of collectivization on innovation are HUGE, and so far totally ignored.
Posted by Glenmore 2012-06-28 19:30||   2012-06-28 19:30|| Front Page Top

#41 I am out here on a job in the Aleutian Chain. This decision is what I heard this morning. After initial disbelief and anger, I started thinking about this decision and what Roberts did. Roberts looked at the mandate as a tax. Nice way out. And the justices made some changes to the medicaid portion of the law. I have two thoughts on this:

1. Roberts' interpretation is a nice little sidestep. In my humble opinion, without any basis but intuition, the admin got to Roberts in some way.

2. Making changes in the medicaid portion of the law is not part of the justices' job. They interpret the law and not rewrite it. That is the job of Congress.

We have ONE chance to get this nonsense ended and that is in November. O and Co will bankrupt this nation, which is probably what they want. That is where we are headed now, and that is not the worst part of the Boyz from Chicago.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2012-06-28 20:08||   2012-06-28 20:08|| Front Page Top

#42 Evidently lying to the American people about Obamacare not being a tax; refusing to hear the arguments of 26 State Attorneys General; defying the wishes of 60% of the American people; rapidly pushing a partison "tax" through the congress without allowing time to read it......are all valid, constitutional methods of government for the Supremes.

When a judge assumes the power to decide which distinctions made in a statute are legitimate and which are not, he assumes the power to disapprove of any and all legislation, because all legislation makes distinctions.
Robert Bork
Posted by Besoeker 2012-06-28 21:05||   2012-06-28 21:05|| Front Page Top

#43 tomorrow's ad:
"Obama promised no tax increases on anyone making less than errr...$250,000. How's that now? He imposes over a $1.7 Trillion tax* increase in the next 10 years. Who's lying now?"

*Tax increase verified by a bipartisan Supreme Court majority
Posted by Frank G 2012-06-28 22:29||   2012-06-28 22:29|| Front Page Top

#44  An online calculator indicated that if a person with an income of just $20,000.00 refuses to buy insurance and pay the resulting annual fine, the IRS penalty for the years 2014 through 2016 combined is $49,744.99
..................................................
I personally make a lot less, and I have everything I need and want, I rent a nice apartment, put food on the table, Go out a few times a week, and am fairly Independent.

I'm also crippled, and can't get around much
as I had a stroke a few years ago, I'm 65 and hope to live a whole lot longer, and I pay for insurance and own a car and a Truck(Owned them before I had my stroke)Both are tagged and Insured
AND i occasionally take vacation trips, the last one was to The Great Smokie Mountains.

So I simply don't see what the people are screaming about, I save a little bit and enjoy life, (PS i make about 1,450.00 per month you figure it out.)
Posted by Redneck Jim 2012-06-28 22:52||   2012-06-28 22:52|| Front Page Top

#45 Death penalty is just the ultimate tax. Everything can be thought of as a tax. Next, a tax for not buying pickles.

Posted by crosspatch 2012-06-28 23:47||   2012-06-28 23:47|| Front Page Top

#46 tomorrow's ad: "Obama promised no tax increases on anyone making less than errr...$250,000. How's that now? He imposes over a $1.7 Trillion tax* increase in the next 10 years. Who's lying now?"

Perhaps this idea is precisely the reason Roberts uncharacteristically joined the left wing of the Court.
Posted by Angaitle Ebbinetch6264 2012-06-28 23:52||   2012-06-28 23:52|| Front Page Top

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