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2011-07-13 Home Front: Politix

Project Gunrunner Tied Directly To Obama

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Posted by tipper 2011-07-13 12:45|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 Now comes the problem of proving it. If they can, Obama is fucked.

Posted by DarthVader 2011-07-13 13:13|| 2011-07-13 13:13|| Front Page Top

#2 there's a big difference between Ops Gunrunner and Fast and Furious

Posted by Frank G 2011-07-13 13:33|| 2011-07-13 13:33|| Front Page Top

#3 Frank__

As I understand it, "Gunrunner" was the original program and F&F was an offshoot funded by the Gunrunner program. Question is still what did he know and when.

Posted by Mercutio 2011-07-13 15:16|| 2011-07-13 15:16|| Front Page Top

#4 ... wonder if HUAC can be reconvened.. so much material to work with.

Posted by Mercutio 2011-07-13 15:17|| 2011-07-13 15:17|| Front Page Top

#5 Mercutio - correct. The Gunrunner was a project to catch the straw buyers (admirable). F&F was to let the straw buyers take the guns across the border without regard for the deaths and injuries that would cause...

Pretty obviously they were trying to build the case to back their "90% of the guns come from the US" claim so they could invoke more gun control.

We aren't even yet into their Tampa op to arm MS-13. Ever wonder why they supported Zelaya so much?

Posted by Frank G 2011-07-13 16:03|| 2011-07-13 16:03|| Front Page Top

#6 And we haven't even mentioned what's going on in Houston and Columbus, NM

The weapons found at the Jaime Zapata murder scene were from Texas. The busts in Dallas and Columbus NM are in the area of operations of the Houston Field Division. Understand that: they were not Fast and Furious busts. Yet no one in Houston has come forward like John Dodson. We have the evidence presented by Carter's Country in Houston that they were being told to let the firearms walk, yet no one in local or national media has apparently asked the hard questions of the Houston Field Division ATF management personnel.

Here's one: "If Houston is the largest single source of civilian market firearms in Mexico, then is the Houston Field Division SAC and all his silent-as-a-Mexican-grave employees merely grossly, impossibly, hopelessly incompetent or were they too walking guns?"

Posted by Sherry 2011-07-13 17:35|| 2011-07-13 17:35|| Front Page Top

#7 Smuggled NM guns tied to cartel murders

Federal documents state a gun smuggling operation allegedly run by three public officials from a tiny New Mexico border town had ties to Mexican drug cartels and some of the weapons were used in several murders.

Last week, federal agents raided Columbus in Luna County arresting Mayor Eddie Espinoza, Village Trustee Blas Gutierrez and Chief of Police Angelo Vega, along with several others. In total, 11 people are accused of smuggling guns into the Mexican cities of Cíudad Juarez and Palomas.

Palomas sits just across the border from Columbus.

For the first time the federal arresting agencies have officially said Espinoza and Gutierrez helped traffic firearms to Mexican drug cartels. Vega and eight others are charged as conspirators.

Prosecutors said the smuggling operation helped the cartels wage their bloody turf wars with shocking efficiency. Federal documents track the guns from New Mexico to the streets of Cíudad Juarez and Palomas and the crimes committed with the weapons

Then this today -- No ATF involvement (known)

Columbus NM Eliminates Entire Police Department After Gun Scandal

The Village of Columbus has voted to eliminate their police department after a gun smuggling investigation involving the former police chief, mayor, and a council member.

Columbus will not be patrolled completely by Luna County Sheriffs Office. The village's board of trustees voted on the change last Thursday. Council member Blas Gutierrez resigned the following day. He was the last of the three accused officials to leave his post.

All three are among a dozen people accused of smuggling guns to Mexican cartels.

Posted by Sherry 2011-07-13 17:42|| 2011-07-13 17:42|| Front Page Top

#8 Columbus, New Mexico. Some Generals' names keep poping into my head when I hear that village mentioned...Who could they be and how did they handle the problem?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-07-13 18:28|| 2011-07-13 18:28|| Front Page Top

#9 And the jury is still out on how closely Holder or O'Bumble can be directly tied to Fast & Furious/Gunwalker. Good theater for next summer, if Issa has the goods.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-07-13 18:36|| 2011-07-13 18:36|| Front Page Top

#10 the cspan video seems pretty cut and dried to me; thadmin controlled every word spoken so you know that script had to be blessed by Obumble. may not be able to prove it, but you know it. and seems to me that Odgen better hire on some good security; accidents happen.

Posted by USN,Ret. 2011-07-13 22:27|| 2011-07-13 22:27|| Front Page Top

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