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2008-12-19 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-

CNN Meteorologist: Manmade Global Warming Theory 'Arrogant'

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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-12-19 03:46|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 He is right. All of mankind could disappear from the planet, and the planet would never know it.

I myself am insinced by being told that we control the environment with out tailpipes. All scientists who say so should be decertified.

Posted by newc">newc 2008-12-19 10:06|| 2008-12-19 10:06|| Front Page Top

#2 I think it is quite true that man generates CO2 and that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and that greenhouse gasses cause global warming. But I don't think any of the models that try to quantify the theory are even close to correct. There are clearly large solar effects; there are numerous buffering effects in the environment; there are almost certainly some re-enforcing effects in the environment; there are other greenhouse gasses (which may be decreasing or increasing). By accepting an immature theory as dogma of a new world religion true scientific investigation of global warming was suffocated in its cradle.
That said, I still think we should reduce our fossil fuel consumption, because it is a finite and valuable resource (and because the theoretical models could be close enough to correct to make me have to answer the question "How long can you tread water?")

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2008-12-19 10:35|| 2008-12-19 10:35|| Front Page Top

#3 All I ever think about is how these models are built on essentially the same techniques used by econometricians. And the human economy is less complex than climate.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-12-19 11:05|| 2008-12-19 11:05|| Front Page Top

#4 Anyone that parrots about CO2 being THE cause of global warming and they have no idea about CO2 and absorption to extinction of IR frequencies needs immediately shot.

Carbon dioxide absorbs infrared radiation (IR) in three narrow bands of frequencies, which are 2.7, 4.3 and 15 micrometers (µM). This means that most of the heat producing radiation escapes it. About 8% of the available black body radiation is picked up by these "fingerprint" frequencies of CO2.

Heinz Hug* showed that carbon dioxide in the air absorbs to extinction at its 15µM peak in about ten meters. This means that CO2 does whatever it's going to do in that amount of space. Twice as much CO2 would do the same thing in about 5m. There's no significant difference between 5m and 10m for global warming, because convectional currents mix the air in such short distances.

But humans could not double the CO2, because they only put 3% of the CO2 in the air. If they put twice as much in, it would do whatever it does in 9.7m instead of 10m. If humans stopped putting any CO2 in the air, it would do whatever it does in 10.3m instead of 10m. In other words, nothing humans do with CO2 could be of the slightest relevance to global warming, even if oceans were not regulating it.

(The weaker peaks and shoulders of the peaks absorb in longer distances. While strongest absorption occurs in 10m, weaker absorption for CO2 occurs in about 300 meters. But a 3% increase in CO2 is still only a 3% reduction in the 300m distance for the weak absorption areas.)

For the rest of the science nitty gritty.

Posted by DarthVader 2008-12-19 11:10|| 2008-12-19 11:10|| Front Page Top

#5 The climate got warmer in the 20th century. Hansen/Gore has used that fact to sell their pet CO2/let's tax carbon program. Today, most people mindlessly parrot this nonsense.

The warming is over. The earth is cooling even as CO2 continues to rise. And the global warm mongers will become increasingly unhinged as many defect from the established meme. It will be fun to watch.

In 50 years "An Inconvenient Truth" and "Reefer Madness" will be a boxed set.

Posted by Minister of funny walks 2008-12-19 12:13|| 2008-12-19 12:13|| Front Page Top

#6 Damn! I was hoping it was a fact after digging out my driveway and sidewalks this morning.

Posted by Cornsilk Blondie 2008-12-19 13:28|| 2008-12-19 13:28|| Front Page Top

#7 Wonder what the Weather Channel's own Dr. Heidi has to say about this guy. She is still spewing her GW propaganda.

Posted by USN, Ret. 2008-12-19 13:47|| 2008-12-19 13:47|| Front Page Top

#8 There is warming, but it is natural as we are lead into yet another Ice Age. However, Ice Ages recede. As for a human cause: 99.999% of CO2 emissions are from the oceans.

Posted by Harcourt Glomogum3991 2008-12-19 16:13|| 2008-12-19 16:13|| Front Page Top

#9 In 50 years "An Inconvenient Truth" and "Reefer Madness" will be a boxed set.

Young man you have won an Internet. Please be careful using it.

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